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Civil war in the Vatican as conservatives battle Francis for the soul of Catholicism
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Lawrence Akutagawa
2017-03-06 10:09:51 UTC
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I for one sincerely wish Pope Francis well and hope that he indeed succeeds
in making the Roman Catholic Church more universal and global than it
currently is.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/civil-war-in-the-vatican-as-conservatives-battle-francis-for-the-soul-of-catholicism/ar-AAnNrY3?li=BBnb4R7

When Pope Francis was elected nearly four years ago, on 13 March 2013, he
was escorted – like every pope before him – from the Sistine Chapel to the
Room of Tears. It is the place where a new pope pauses for a moment – and no
doubt many of them do shed a few tears, thinking of the momentous
responsibility upon their shoulders – before stepping out on to the balcony
of St Peter’s to greet the world as the new leader of the Roman Catholic
church.

When Francis, known until then as Jorge Bergoglio, archbishop of Buenos
Aires, first appeared that night, he appeared remarkably sanguine, joking
that the cardinals had gone to the ends of the Earth to choose the next
pope. If he’d had any inkling of what these last four years would be like,
he would surely have wept in that Room of Tears.

While hugely popular across the globe with Catholics and non-Catholics
alike, Francis has struggled against fierce opposition from the Vatican
establishment to haul the Roman Catholic church into the 21st century,
fought to reform its government, tried to persuade cardinals to revise their
thinking on the divorced and remarried, and been openly opposed by rebel
prelates.

Last week marked the start of Lent, one of the most important periods of the
church’s calendar, a time when Catholics fast, give alms and reflect on
humanity’s sinfulness in the run-up to their commemoration of the
crucifixion and of Easter. It is usually marked by quiet prayerfulness, and
on Sunday the pope, along with members of the Roman Curia, will leave Rome
to begin a five-day retreat. He will leave a Vatican beset by tension,
turmoil and rebellion. There are even rumours that growing numbers of
Vatican hands think he should quit.

On Ash Wednesday, the first day of Lent, came a big blow, in effect caused
by the pope’s enemies: Marie Collins, the last abuse survivor on his
commission into child abuse in the church, quit, frustrated at the lack of
progress and what she calls “shameful lack of cooperation” from the
officials most concerned with cases of abuse, highlighting the intransigence
of the Roman Curia, or governing body, in the Vatican – the body Pope
Francis wants to reform.

/snip - read the cited linked article/
GLOBALIST
2017-03-06 12:29:39 UTC
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Post by Lawrence Akutagawa
I for one sincerely wish Pope Francis well and hope that he indeed succeeds
in making the Roman Catholic Church more universal and global than it
currently is.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/civil-war-in-the-vatican-as-conservatives-battle-francis-for-the-soul-of-catholicism/ar-AAnNrY3?li=BBnb4R7
When Pope Francis was elected nearly four years ago, on 13 March 2013, he
was escorted – like every pope before him – from the Sistine Chapel to the
Room of Tears. It is the place where a new pope pauses for a moment – and no
doubt many of them do shed a few tears, thinking of the momentous
responsibility upon their shoulders – before stepping out on to the balcony
of St Peter’s to greet the world as the new leader of the Roman Catholic
church.
When Francis, known until then as Jorge Bergoglio, archbishop of Buenos
Aires, first appeared that night, he appeared remarkably sanguine, joking
that the cardinals had gone to the ends of the Earth to choose the next
pope. If he’d had any inkling of what these last four years would be like,
he would surely have wept in that Room of Tears.
While hugely popular across the globe with Catholics and non-Catholics
alike, Francis has struggled against fierce opposition from the Vatican
establishment to haul the Roman Catholic church into the 21st century,
fought to reform its government, tried to persuade cardinals to revise their
thinking on the divorced and remarried, and been openly opposed by rebel
prelates.
Last week marked the start of Lent, one of the most important periods of the
church’s calendar, a time when Catholics fast, give alms and reflect on
humanity’s sinfulness in the run-up to their commemoration of the
crucifixion and of Easter. It is usually marked by quiet prayerfulness, and
on Sunday the pope, along with members of the Roman Curia, will leave Rome
to begin a five-day retreat. He will leave a Vatican beset by tension,
turmoil and rebellion. There are even rumours that growing numbers of
Vatican hands think he should quit.
On Ash Wednesday, the first day of Lent, came a big blow, in effect caused
by the pope’s enemies: Marie Collins, the last abuse survivor on his
commission into child abuse in the church, quit, frustrated at the lack of
progress and what she calls “shameful lack of cooperation” from the
officials most concerned with cases of abuse, highlighting the intransigence
of the Roman Curia, or governing body, in the Vatican – the body Pope
Francis wants to reform.
/snip - read the cited linked article/
Clashes between conservative vs liberal elements in the
Church is as old as the early church. "Battle"? you
guys love hyperbole. The Swiss guards are protecting
the Pope from objects being thrown at him, sling shots
bouncing off his crosier.
Lawrence Akutagawa
2017-03-06 18:59:40 UTC
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Post by Lawrence Akutagawa
I for one sincerely wish Pope Francis well and hope that he indeed succeeds
in making the Roman Catholic Church more universal and global than it
currently is.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/civil-war-in-the-vatican-as-conservatives-battle-francis-for-the-soul-of-catholicism/ar-AAnNrY3?li=BBnb4R7
When Pope Francis was elected nearly four years ago, on 13 March 2013, he
was escorted – like every pope before him – from the Sistine Chapel to the
Room of Tears. It is the place where a new pope pauses for a moment – and no
doubt many of them do shed a few tears, thinking of the momentous
responsibility upon their shoulders – before stepping out on to the balcony
of St Peter’s to greet the world as the new leader of the Roman Catholic
church.
/snip - follow the thread/
Post by Lawrence Akutagawa
/snip - read the cited linked article/
Clashes between conservative vs liberal elements in the
Church is as old as the early church. "Battle"? you
guys love hyperbole. The Swiss guards are protecting
the Pope from objects being thrown at him, sling shots
bouncing off his crosier.

***** This line separates my response from the foregoing ******

OK, Village Idiot, I'll bite.
Do cite a previous instance of the Catholic Pope and the Roman Curia
clashing over how the divorced and remarried should be treated within the
Catholic Church as are Pope Francis and the current Roman Curia. Don't
forget to provide verifiable substantiation supporting your cited
instance...among which substantiation is the name of the Pope so involved.
ummm...how about the LGBT? The abuse of the young by the Roman Catholic
clergy?

Please clarify, Village Idiot.

oops...and again in that (very small) cloud of dust does the Village Idiot
(of course with "mutual agreement") perform for us another of his wonderful
Intellectual Coward ploys to run away once more from the issue, of course
with his tail tucked between his legs, back into that deep dark damp as can
be hole of his under his rock!
Lawrence Akutagawa
2017-03-06 19:09:40 UTC
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Post by Lawrence Akutagawa
I for one sincerely wish Pope Francis well and hope that he indeed succeeds
in making the Roman Catholic Church more universal and global than it
currently is.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/civil-war-in-the-vatican-as-conservatives-battle-francis-for-the-soul-of-catholicism/ar-AAnNrY3?li=BBnb4R7
When Pope Francis was elected nearly four years ago, on 13 March 2013, he
was escorted – like every pope before him – from the Sistine Chapel to the
Room of Tears. It is the place where a new pope pauses for a moment – and no
doubt many of them do shed a few tears, thinking of the momentous
responsibility upon their shoulders – before stepping out on to the balcony
of St Peter’s to greet the world as the new leader of the Roman Catholic
church.
When Francis, known until then as Jorge Bergoglio, archbishop of Buenos
Aires, first appeared that night, he appeared remarkably sanguine, joking
that the cardinals had gone to the ends of the Earth to choose the next
pope. If he’d had any inkling of what these last four years would be like,
he would surely have wept in that Room of Tears.
While hugely popular across the globe with Catholics and non-Catholics
alike, Francis has struggled against fierce opposition from the Vatican
establishment to haul the Roman Catholic church into the 21st century,
fought to reform its government, tried to persuade cardinals to revise their
thinking on the divorced and remarried, and been openly opposed by rebel
prelates.
Last week marked the start of Lent, one of the most important periods of the
church’s calendar, a time when Catholics fast, give alms and reflect on
humanity’s sinfulness in the run-up to their commemoration of the
crucifixion and of Easter. It is usually marked by quiet prayerfulness, and
on Sunday the pope, along with members of the Roman Curia, will leave Rome
to begin a five-day retreat. He will leave a Vatican beset by tension,
turmoil and rebellion. There are even rumours that growing numbers of
Vatican hands think he should quit.
On Ash Wednesday, the first day of Lent, came a big blow, in effect caused
by the pope’s enemies: Marie Collins, the last abuse survivor on his
commission into child abuse in the church, quit, frustrated at the lack of
progress and what she calls “shameful lack of cooperation” from the
officials most concerned with cases of abuse, highlighting the
intransigence
of the Roman Curia, or governing body, in the Vatican – the body Pope
Francis wants to reform.
/snip - read the cited linked article/
Clashes between conservative vs liberal elements in the
Church is as old as the early church. "Battle"? you
guys love hyperbole. The Swiss guards are protecting
the Pope from objects being thrown at him, sling shots
bouncing off his crosier.

***** This line separates my response from the foregoing ******

Clearly and most obviously the Village Idiot loves to entertain us with his
abysmally abysmal English as he the Village Idiot displays to us once more
his abysmally abysmal English!

Do tell us, Village Idiot, how is it that you with your abysmally abysmal
English are still in this country?

wups...and here the Village Idiot (of course with "mutual agreement")
performs for our entertainment again still another of his amazing
Intellectual Coward ploys to run away from the issue once more of his
abysmally abysmal English, of course with this tail stiff as can be between
his legs, back into that deep dark dirty as can be hole of his under his
rock!
Lawrence Akutagawa
2017-03-06 19:15:03 UTC
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Post by Lawrence Akutagawa
I for one sincerely wish Pope Francis well and hope that he indeed succeeds
in making the Roman Catholic Church more universal and global than it
currently is.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/civil-war-in-the-vatican-as-conservatives-battle-francis-for-the-soul-of-catholicism/ar-AAnNrY3?li=BBnb4R7
When Pope Francis was elected nearly four years ago, on 13 March 2013, he
was escorted – like every pope before him – from the Sistine Chapel to the
Room of Tears. It is the place where a new pope pauses for a moment – and no
doubt many of them do shed a few tears, thinking of the momentous
responsibility upon their shoulders – before stepping out on to the balcony
of St Peter’s to greet the world as the new leader of the Roman Catholic
church.
When Francis, known until then as Jorge Bergoglio, archbishop of Buenos
Aires, first appeared that night, he appeared remarkably sanguine, joking
that the cardinals had gone to the ends of the Earth to choose the next
pope. If he’d had any inkling of what these last four years would be like,
he would surely have wept in that Room of Tears.
While hugely popular across the globe with Catholics and non-Catholics
alike, Francis has struggled against fierce opposition from the Vatican
establishment to haul the Roman Catholic church into the 21st century,
fought to reform its government, tried to persuade cardinals to revise their
thinking on the divorced and remarried, and been openly opposed by rebel
prelates.
Last week marked the start of Lent, one of the most important periods of the
church’s calendar, a time when Catholics fast, give alms and reflect on
humanity’s sinfulness in the run-up to their commemoration of the
crucifixion and of Easter. It is usually marked by quiet prayerfulness, and
on Sunday the pope, along with members of the Roman Curia, will leave Rome
to begin a five-day retreat. He will leave a Vatican beset by tension,
turmoil and rebellion. There are even rumours that growing numbers of
Vatican hands think he should quit.
On Ash Wednesday, the first day of Lent, came a big blow, in effect caused
by the pope’s enemies: Marie Collins, the last abuse survivor on his
commission into child abuse in the church, quit, frustrated at the lack of
progress and what she calls “shameful lack of cooperation” from the
officials most concerned with cases of abuse, highlighting the
intransigence
of the Roman Curia, or governing body, in the Vatican – the body Pope
Francis wants to reform.
/snip - read the cited linked article/
Clashes between conservative vs liberal elements in the
Church is as old as the early church. "Battle"? you
guys love hyperbole. The Swiss guards are protecting
the Pope from objects being thrown at him, sling shots
bouncing off his crosier.

***** This line separates my response from the foregoing ******

And here, of course, the Village Idiot entertains us yet again with another
of his amazing "Look here, not there" ploys!

"not there"
- "I for one sincerely wish Pope Francis well and hope that he indeed
succeeds in making the Roman Catholic Church more universal and global than
it currently is."

"Look here"
- "The Swiss guards are protecting the Pope from objects being thrown at
him, sling shots bouncing off his crosier."

Clearly, the Village Idiot has struck yet again with another of his fun
"Look here, not there" ploys!

And now for yet more entertainment, the Village Idiot (of course with
"mutual agreement") will again perform for us another of his magnificent and
most intricate Intellectual Coward ploys to run away from the issue of yet
another "Look here, not there" ploy, of course with his tail most
ostentatiously held between his legs, back into that deep dark dung filled
hole of his under his rock!
w***@gmail.com
2017-03-06 19:38:06 UTC
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A war using words in the VATICAN, no other weapons, is OK - But the deciding questions should be what Jesus would do and say!
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