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wolfbat359
2017-10-09 08:10:06 UTC
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2017-10-09 12:14:23 UTC
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Resistance to tyranny will take many forms. The election of Trump is one. Taking a knee is another. As conditions deteriorate and the Social Contract fades tyranny can be expected to increase and resistance to it as well.
mg
2017-10-09 13:30:59 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 01:10:06 -0700 (PDT), wolfbat359
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"There is nothing patriotic about
hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but
despise your government."
-- Bill Clinton

http://web.archive.org/web/19970624135843/www.msu.edu/conv95/ad5.html
Gary
2017-10-09 14:18:55 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 01:10:06 -0700 (PDT), wolfbat359
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"There is nothing patriotic about
hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but
despise your government."
-- Bill Clinton
I disagree with Clinton on part of this. I agree there is nothing patriotic about
hating your country. However, I believe it is possible -- and quite common -- to
love your country while at the same time -- despise the government (and people) that is
in temporary charge of your country. After all -- that is what causes revolutions.

Had the Founding Fathers not loved America -- (and despised the government) -- they would
not have waged war against the government of Britain -- to make America a free country.
They would have found a home elsewhere.

On a personal note -- I can't think of any government we've had -- that I have loved as
much as I love our country.

A note: The Flag is not a part of the government. It is part of America.
Talis Mann
2017-10-09 17:09:34 UTC
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A note: The Flag is not a part of the government. It is part of America.
Taking a knee is NOT disrespecting the flag.

I don't expect you to be sufficiently perceptive to understand why this
is beyond dispute.
mg
2017-10-11 12:17:05 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 01:10:06 -0700 (PDT), wolfbat359
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"There is nothing patriotic about
hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but
despise your government."
-- Bill Clinton
I disagree with Clinton on part of this. I agree there is nothing patriotic about
hating your country. However, I believe it is possible -- and quite common -- to
love your country while at the same time -- despise the government (and people) that is
in temporary charge of your country. After all -- that is what causes revolutions.
Had the Founding Fathers not loved America -- (and despised the government) -- they would
not have waged war against the government of Britain -- to make America a free country.
They would have found a home elsewhere.
On a personal note -- I can't think of any government we've had -- that I have loved as
much as I love our country.
A note: The Flag is not a part of the government. It is part of America.
I disagree with Clinton, also. I think it's perfectly valid
for a citizen to despise the government, but love his
country.

Here's a quote, from the same speech, that I agree with,
though:

"If you treat law enforcement officers who put their lives
on the line for your safety every day like some kind of
enemy army, to be suspected, derided, and--if they should be
able to enforce the law against you--to be shot, you are
wrong."
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-06/news/mn-62956_1_michigan-militia
rumpelstiltskin
2017-10-11 13:48:24 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 01:10:06 -0700 (PDT), wolfbat359
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"There is nothing patriotic about
hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but
despise your government."
-- Bill Clinton
I disagree with Clinton on part of this. I agree there is nothing patriotic about
hating your country. However, I believe it is possible -- and quite common -- to
love your country while at the same time -- despise the government (and people) that is
in temporary charge of your country. After all -- that is what causes revolutions.
Had the Founding Fathers not loved America -- (and despised the government) -- they would
not have waged war against the government of Britain -- to make America a free country.
They would have found a home elsewhere.
On a personal note -- I can't think of any government we've had -- that I have loved as
much as I love our country.
A note: The Flag is not a part of the government. It is part of America.
I disagree with Clinton, also. I think it's perfectly valid
for a citizen to despise the government, but love his
country.
I agree, and I also disagree with Clinton on that matter.
Hating the government is a time honored American
tradition, and IMV that's not a bad tradition at all.
Post by mg
Here's a quote, from the same speech, that I agree with,
"If you treat law enforcement officers who put their lives
on the line for your safety every day like some kind of
enemy army, to be suspected, derided, and--if they should be
able to enforce the law against you--to be shot, you are
wrong."
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-06/news/mn-62956_1_michigan-militia
I agree with that, and as I've mentioned elsewhere, I'll
give police officers a lot of leeway and "benefit of the
doubt", when they shoot somebody. That's not 100%
since there are police officers like Joe Arpaio who'd
shoot every Mexican he saw if he could get away with
it, but it is a good starting bias ISTM.
mg
2017-10-16 14:45:43 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 01:10:06 -0700 (PDT), wolfbat359
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"There is nothing patriotic about
hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but
despise your government."
-- Bill Clinton
I disagree with Clinton on part of this. I agree there is nothing patriotic about
hating your country. However, I believe it is possible -- and quite common -- to
love your country while at the same time -- despise the government (and people) that is
in temporary charge of your country. After all -- that is what causes revolutions.
Had the Founding Fathers not loved America -- (and despised the government) -- they would
not have waged war against the government of Britain -- to make America a free country.
They would have found a home elsewhere.
On a personal note -- I can't think of any government we've had -- that I have loved as
much as I love our country.
A note: The Flag is not a part of the government. It is part of America.
I disagree with Clinton, also. I think it's perfectly valid
for a citizen to despise the government, but love his
country.
I agree, and I also disagree with Clinton on that matter.
Hating the government is a time honored American
tradition, and IMV that's not a bad tradition at all.
Hating the government is a great, American tradition, but it
has one big flaw, I think, in that most people only hate
politicians of the opposite party while swallowing the
propaganda from their own party hook, line and sinker.
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Post by mg
Here's a quote, from the same speech, that I agree with,
"If you treat law enforcement officers who put their lives
on the line for your safety every day like some kind of
enemy army, to be suspected, derided, and--if they should be
able to enforce the law against you--to be shot, you are
wrong."
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-06/news/mn-62956_1_michigan-militia
I agree with that, and as I've mentioned elsewhere, I'll
give police officers a lot of leeway and "benefit of the
doubt", when they shoot somebody. That's not 100%
since there are police officers like Joe Arpaio who'd
shoot every Mexican he saw if he could get away with
it, but it is a good starting bias ISTM.
Gary
2017-10-11 17:43:00 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 01:10:06 -0700 (PDT), wolfbat359
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"There is nothing patriotic about
hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but
despise your government."
-- Bill Clinton
I disagree with Clinton on part of this. I agree there is nothing patriotic about
hating your country. However, I believe it is possible -- and quite common -- to
love your country while at the same time -- despise the government (and people) that is
in temporary charge of your country. After all -- that is what causes revolutions.
Had the Founding Fathers not loved America -- (and despised the government) -- they would
not have waged war against the government of Britain -- to make America a free country.
They would have found a home elsewhere.
On a personal note -- I can't think of any government we've had -- that I have loved as
much as I love our country.
A note: The Flag is not a part of the government. It is part of America.
I disagree with Clinton, also. I think it's perfectly valid
for a citizen to despise the government, but love his
country.
Here's a quote, from the same speech, that I agree with,
"If you treat law enforcement officers who put their lives
on the line for your safety every day like some kind of
enemy army, to be suspected, derided, and--if they should be
able to enforce the law against you--to be shot, you are
wrong."
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-06/news/mn-62956_1_michigan-militia
Yes, I agree also. I've always been a big supporter of police. I suppose most
people who live in a town that is, er --- "mixed" -- understand how much they need the
police patrolling their neighborhoods. We never know when we might need a cop to shoot
somebody (something?) for us.
mg
2017-10-16 14:48:58 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 01:10:06 -0700 (PDT), wolfbat359
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"There is nothing patriotic about
hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but
despise your government."
-- Bill Clinton
I disagree with Clinton on part of this. I agree there is nothing patriotic about
hating your country. However, I believe it is possible -- and quite common -- to
love your country while at the same time -- despise the government (and people) that is
in temporary charge of your country. After all -- that is what causes revolutions.
Had the Founding Fathers not loved America -- (and despised the government) -- they would
not have waged war against the government of Britain -- to make America a free country.
They would have found a home elsewhere.
On a personal note -- I can't think of any government we've had -- that I have loved as
much as I love our country.
A note: The Flag is not a part of the government. It is part of America.
I disagree with Clinton, also. I think it's perfectly valid
for a citizen to despise the government, but love his
country.
Here's a quote, from the same speech, that I agree with,
"If you treat law enforcement officers who put their lives
on the line for your safety every day like some kind of
enemy army, to be suspected, derided, and--if they should be
able to enforce the law against you--to be shot, you are
wrong."
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-06/news/mn-62956_1_michigan-militia
Yes, I agree also. I've always been a big supporter of police. I suppose most
people who live in a town that is, er --- "mixed" -- understand how much they need the
police patrolling their neighborhoods. We never know when we might need a cop to shoot
somebody (something?) for us.
America's police officers are mostly getting a bum rap, I
think, and I think the Democrats are keeping blacks stirred
up and hating the police, simply to get their votes.

Josh Rosenbluth
2017-10-09 21:36:43 UTC
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Post by mg
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 01:10:06 -0700 (PDT), wolfbat359
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"There is nothing patriotic about
hating your country, or pretending
that you can love your country but
despise your government."
-- Bill Clinton
http://web.archive.org/web/19970624135843/www.msu.edu/conv95/ad5.html
How is that relevant to those taking a knee?
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