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Is Trump Crazy
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Charlie
2018-01-09 12:47:41 UTC
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I hear a lot of people saying President Trump is crazy. I don't know if it's true, but I think it's important to watch for signs of craziness, just in case. Here are some of the signs of craziness I'm watching for.

-If Trump thought it would be fine to allow men to use women's restrooms, I would question his mental stability.
-If Trump ever claimed he had to run for his life through sniper fire when in reality he just got off a plane and said hello to a child, I would think he was nutty as a fruitcake.
-If Trump held a news conference to announce that there are 62 genders and people could choose to be any of them, I would think he's lost his mind.
-If Trump ever pays Iran ransom money, that would be a sign.
-If Trump tried to make us more dependent on foreign energy by destroying the domestic coal industry and making our bountiful natural resources off limits to exploration (because it doesn't destroy the planet when we get oil from Saudi Arabia, only when we get it from Texas), I would think he's at an Al Gore level of craziness.
-If Trump ever trades five high level terrorist prisoners for one traitor, I will have to wonder if he has any brains at all. Not exactly "Art of the Deal" stuff.
-If Trump ever says, "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it", then I'll know that she...I mean he...is certifiably insane.
-If Trump ever sets up a highly unsecured private email server, uses it for government business, and then repeatedly lies to everyone about it, I'll have to question his sanity and mental stability.
-If Trump allowed Obama's JV team, ISIS, to flourish unchecked in the Middle East, I would say he's an incompetent fool of a President. Fortunately, Trump has very sanely defeated ISIS almost completely.
-If Trump sold guns to Mexican drug gangs and they used those guns to kill a DEA agent, I would think Trump has a screw loose.
-If Trump tries to ban guns, that's just crazy. Anyone who thinks Americans are going to give up their guns is delusional, which means crazy.
-If Trump kept making the same predictions over and over and over...for months and months and even years...and those predictions never once came true, but he was still so absolutely and completely sure of himself, I would think he's insane. Fortunately, he's not a global warming fanatic OR a NeverTrumper.
I'm sure there are more signs I should be watching for in case Trump goes crazy. So far, so good!
Jack Fate
2018-01-09 13:12:21 UTC
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Post by Charlie
I hear a lot of people saying President Trump is crazy.
And they're right. Oh, and Hillary doesn't hold an office and isn't
running for one so do you think you can keep your mommy issues to yourself?
islander
2018-01-09 14:23:41 UTC
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Post by Charlie
I hear a lot of people saying President Trump is crazy. I don't know if it's true, but I think it's important to watch for signs of craziness, just in case. Here are some of the signs of craziness I'm watching for.
-If Trump thought it would be fine to allow men to use women's restrooms, I would question his mental stability.
-If Trump ever claimed he had to run for his life through sniper fire when in reality he just got off a plane and said hello to a child, I would think he was nutty as a fruitcake.
-If Trump held a news conference to announce that there are 62 genders and people could choose to be any of them, I would think he's lost his mind.
-If Trump ever pays Iran ransom money, that would be a sign.
-If Trump tried to make us more dependent on foreign energy by destroying the domestic coal industry and making our bountiful natural resources off limits to exploration (because it doesn't destroy the planet when we get oil from Saudi Arabia, only when we get it from Texas), I would think he's at an Al Gore level of craziness.
-If Trump ever trades five high level terrorist prisoners for one traitor, I will have to wonder if he has any brains at all. Not exactly "Art of the Deal" stuff.
-If Trump ever says, "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it", then I'll know that she...I mean he...is certifiably insane.
-If Trump ever sets up a highly unsecured private email server, uses it for government business, and then repeatedly lies to everyone about it, I'll have to question his sanity and mental stability.
-If Trump allowed Obama's JV team, ISIS, to flourish unchecked in the Middle East, I would say he's an incompetent fool of a President. Fortunately, Trump has very sanely defeated ISIS almost completely.
-If Trump sold guns to Mexican drug gangs and they used those guns to kill a DEA agent, I would think Trump has a screw loose.
-If Trump tries to ban guns, that's just crazy. Anyone who thinks Americans are going to give up their guns is delusional, which means crazy.
-If Trump kept making the same predictions over and over and over...for months and months and even years...and those predictions never once came true, but he was still so absolutely and completely sure of himself, I would think he's insane. Fortunately, he's not a global warming fanatic OR a NeverTrumper.
I'm sure there are more signs I should be watching for in case Trump goes crazy. So far, so good!
No, he is a genius.
This was on Quora this morning:
Vivek Dahiya, Founder at Teclus (2015-present)
Answered Sun

He is not. He is the ‘‘stable genius’.

He was the first person to be awarded the Nobel Prize on ‘being a
genius’. A rare category only formed after he was born.
He was the first American to graduate ‘successfully’ from Harvard.
His businesses worldwide are all part of MBA case studies. There
can’t be a businessman like him in the future. Because it’s simply not
possible compared to the work he has done so far.
He has carefully and intelligently fired and replaced many of his
close people since he has taken oath for Presidency. Don’t forget that
his daughter, sons and son-in-law are still there. Not a coincidence,
it’s just because they are as brilliant as him. Stop, questioning his genes.
He was the creator of all the skyscrapers present in NY city today.
Rest of them that came later in the 20th century were all copying his
‘genius’ idea.
He was the first and only person till date to be nominated for
Oscars, Emmy, Golden Globes, Time- Person of the year and so much more
in the same year.
He was the first person who revolutionized American reality TV. In
those years when he was hosting, reality TV had such high ratings that
they could not be compared to reality TV of all the worlds channels,
even today.
He became the first President ever to come to power by his own
‘genius’ strategy. He also won the popular vote in the 2016 elections
but media is so ‘Fake’ that they never tell you the right statistics.
His work on Twitter is a work of sheer genius and something that
everybody should learn from. Each tweet he sends has supremely worded,
carefully thought and with 100% right grammar. Oh, you should love it too!
By his sheer genius he made ‘‘The Art of Deal’ and his several
other books a work of pure intelligence. Something as brilliant as The
Vinci, Shakespeare and other big legends.

Last but not the least, he was made a competent person because of the
person who stood by him always like Miz Conway, Steve Bannon, Stephen
Miller and many more geniuses. Not to forget all those geniuses who
brought him to power. They are the real heroes.
El Castor
2018-01-09 19:38:26 UTC
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Post by Charlie
I hear a lot of people saying President Trump is crazy. I don't know if it's true, but I think it's important to watch for signs of craziness, just in case. Here are some of the signs of craziness I'm watching for.
-If Trump thought it would be fine to allow men to use women's restrooms, I would question his mental stability.
-If Trump ever claimed he had to run for his life through sniper fire when in reality he just got off a plane and said hello to a child, I would think he was nutty as a fruitcake.
-If Trump held a news conference to announce that there are 62 genders and people could choose to be any of them, I would think he's lost his mind.
-If Trump ever pays Iran ransom money, that would be a sign.
-If Trump tried to make us more dependent on foreign energy by destroying the domestic coal industry and making our bountiful natural resources off limits to exploration (because it doesn't destroy the planet when we get oil from Saudi Arabia, only when we get it from Texas), I would think he's at an Al Gore level of craziness.
-If Trump ever trades five high level terrorist prisoners for one traitor, I will have to wonder if he has any brains at all. Not exactly "Art of the Deal" stuff.
-If Trump ever says, "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it", then I'll know that she...I mean he...is certifiably insane.
-If Trump ever sets up a highly unsecured private email server, uses it for government business, and then repeatedly lies to everyone about it, I'll have to question his sanity and mental stability.
-If Trump allowed Obama's JV team, ISIS, to flourish unchecked in the Middle East, I would say he's an incompetent fool of a President. Fortunately, Trump has very sanely defeated ISIS almost completely.
-If Trump sold guns to Mexican drug gangs and they used those guns to kill a DEA agent, I would think Trump has a screw loose.
-If Trump tries to ban guns, that's just crazy. Anyone who thinks Americans are going to give up their guns is delusional, which means crazy.
-If Trump kept making the same predictions over and over and over...for months and months and even years...and those predictions never once came true, but he was still so absolutely and completely sure of himself, I would think he's insane. Fortunately, he's not a global warming fanatic OR a NeverTrumper.
I'm sure there are more signs I should be watching for in case Trump goes crazy. So far, so good!
No, he is a genius.
Vivek Dahiya, Founder at Teclus (2015-present)
Answered Sun
He is not. He is the ‘‘stable genius’.
He was the first person to be awarded the Nobel Prize on ‘being a
genius’. A rare category only formed after he was born.
He was the first American to graduate ‘successfully’ from Harvard.
His businesses worldwide are all part of MBA case studies. There
can’t be a businessman like him in the future. Because it’s simply not
possible compared to the work he has done so far.
He has carefully and intelligently fired and replaced many of his
close people since he has taken oath for Presidency. Don’t forget that
his daughter, sons and son-in-law are still there. Not a coincidence,
it’s just because they are as brilliant as him. Stop, questioning his genes.
He was the creator of all the skyscrapers present in NY city today.
Rest of them that came later in the 20th century were all copying his
‘genius’ idea.
He was the first and only person till date to be nominated for
Oscars, Emmy, Golden Globes, Time- Person of the year and so much more
in the same year.
He was the first person who revolutionized American reality TV. In
those years when he was hosting, reality TV had such high ratings that
they could not be compared to reality TV of all the worlds channels,
even today.
He became the first President ever to come to power by his own
‘genius’ strategy. He also won the popular vote in the 2016 elections
but media is so ‘Fake’ that they never tell you the right statistics.
His work on Twitter is a work of sheer genius and something that
everybody should learn from. Each tweet he sends has supremely worded,
carefully thought and with 100% right grammar. Oh, you should love it too!
By his sheer genius he made ‘‘The Art of Deal’ and his several
other books a work of pure intelligence. Something as brilliant as The
Vinci, Shakespeare and other big legends.
Last but not the least, he was made a competent person because of the
person who stood by him always like Miz Conway, Steve Bannon, Stephen
Miller and many more geniuses. Not to forget all those geniuses who
brought him to power. They are the real heroes.
I just watched him debate border security with Nancy Pelosi. He is
clearly in touch with reality. Pelosi, on the other hand, is a
candidate for Happy Acres.
me
2018-01-09 19:55:49 UTC
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Post by Charlie
I hear a lot of people saying President Trump is crazy. I don't know if it's true, but I think it's important to watch for signs of craziness, just in case. Here are some of the signs of craziness I'm watching for.
-If Trump thought it would be fine to allow men to use women's restrooms, I would question his mental stability.
-If Trump ever claimed he had to run for his life through sniper fire when in reality he just got off a plane and said hello to a child, I would think he was nutty as a fruitcake.
-If Trump held a news conference to announce that there are 62 genders and people could choose to be any of them, I would think he's lost his mind.
-If Trump ever pays Iran ransom money, that would be a sign.
-If Trump tried to make us more dependent on foreign energy by destroying the domestic coal industry and making our bountiful natural resources off limits to exploration (because it doesn't destroy the planet when we get oil from Saudi Arabia, only when we get it from Texas), I would think he's at an Al Gore level of craziness.
-If Trump ever trades five high level terrorist prisoners for one traitor, I will have to wonder if he has any brains at all. Not exactly "Art of the Deal" stuff.
-If Trump ever says, "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it", then I'll know that she...I mean he...is certifiably insane.
-If Trump ever sets up a highly unsecured private email server, uses it for government business, and then repeatedly lies to everyone about it, I'll have to question his sanity and mental stability.
-If Trump allowed Obama's JV team, ISIS, to flourish unchecked in the Middle East, I would say he's an incompetent fool of a President. Fortunately, Trump has very sanely defeated ISIS almost completely.
-If Trump sold guns to Mexican drug gangs and they used those guns to kill a DEA agent, I would think Trump has a screw loose.
-If Trump tries to ban guns, that's just crazy. Anyone who thinks Americans are going to give up their guns is delusional, which means crazy.
-If Trump kept making the same predictions over and over and over...for months and months and even years...and those predictions never once came true, but he was still so absolutely and completely sure of himself, I would think he's insane. Fortunately, he's not a global warming fanatic OR a NeverTrumper.
I'm sure there are more signs I should be watching for in case Trump goes crazy. So far, so good!
He's a crazy womanizing Nazi Russian agent who hates everyone but himself. That explains why he has all that wealth, power, lovely wives and capable children. He has to be nuts not to enjoy all that in order to be ridiculed by all those brilliant people who disagree with him and his supporters and voters.
d***@gmail.com
2018-01-09 21:11:59 UTC
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It has long been suspected that psychiatrists go into psychiatry to cure their own mental problems. Now they have discovered that many of us also have mental problems. Some day, a really brilliant psychiatrist will realize that everyone is as mad as a hatter.

Eugene FitzAubrey
El Castor
2018-01-09 21:16:25 UTC
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It has long been suspected that psychiatrists go into psychiatry to cure their own mental problems. Now they have discovered that many of us also have mental problems. Some day, a really brilliant psychiatrist will realize that everyone is as mad as a hatter.
Eugene FitzAubrey
We at one time had a neighbor who was a retired psychologist. What a
bitch!!
Gary
2018-01-10 15:58:43 UTC
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Post by Charlie
I hear a lot of people saying President Trump is crazy. I don't know if it's true, but I think it's important to watch for signs of craziness, just in case. Here are some of the signs of craziness I'm watching for.
-If Trump thought it would be fine to allow men to use women's restrooms, I would question his mental stability.
-If Trump ever claimed he had to run for his life through sniper fire when in reality he just got off a plane and said hello to a child, I would think he was nutty as a fruitcake.
-If Trump held a news conference to announce that there are 62 genders and people could choose to be any of them, I would think he's lost his mind.
-If Trump ever pays Iran ransom money, that would be a sign.
-If Trump tried to make us more dependent on foreign energy by destroying the domestic coal industry and making our bountiful natural resources off limits to exploration (because it doesn't destroy the planet when we get oil from Saudi Arabia, only when we get it from Texas), I would think he's at an Al Gore level of craziness.
-If Trump ever trades five high level terrorist prisoners for one traitor, I will have to wonder if he has any brains at all. Not exactly "Art of the Deal" stuff.
-If Trump ever says, "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it", then I'll know that she...I mean he...is certifiably insane.
-If Trump ever sets up a highly unsecured private email server, uses it for government business, and then repeatedly lies to everyone about it, I'll have to question his sanity and mental stability.
-If Trump allowed Obama's JV team, ISIS, to flourish unchecked in the Middle East, I would say he's an incompetent fool of a President. Fortunately, Trump has very sanely defeated ISIS almost completely.
-If Trump sold guns to Mexican drug gangs and they used those guns to kill a DEA agent, I would think Trump has a screw loose.
-If Trump tries to ban guns, that's just crazy. Anyone who thinks Americans are going to give up their guns is delusional, which means crazy.
-If Trump kept making the same predictions over and over and over...for months and months and even years...and those predictions never once came true, but he was still so absolutely and completely sure of himself, I would think he's insane. Fortunately, he's not a global warming fanatic OR a NeverTrumper.
I'm sure there are more signs I should be watching for in case Trump goes crazy. So far, so good!
He's a crazy womanizing Nazi Russian agent who hates everyone but himself.
That explains why he has all that wealth, power, lovely wives and capable
children. He has to be nuts not to enjoy all that in order to be
ridiculed by all those brilliant people who disagree with him and his
supporters and voters.
I must admit that I have wondered why Trump ever wanted to be
president. Why would a Billionaire want to lower himself to be
president ? Which requires he be a politician. Will he kiss the
ass of the rich like the rest of them have done ? But ... he is
already rich.
El Castor
2018-01-10 20:58:15 UTC
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Post by me
Post by Charlie
I hear a lot of people saying President Trump is crazy. I don't know if it's true, but I think it's important to watch for signs of craziness, just in case. Here are some of the signs of craziness I'm watching for.
-If Trump thought it would be fine to allow men to use women's restrooms, I would question his mental stability.
-If Trump ever claimed he had to run for his life through sniper fire when in reality he just got off a plane and said hello to a child, I would think he was nutty as a fruitcake.
-If Trump held a news conference to announce that there are 62 genders and people could choose to be any of them, I would think he's lost his mind.
-If Trump ever pays Iran ransom money, that would be a sign.
-If Trump tried to make us more dependent on foreign energy by destroying the domestic coal industry and making our bountiful natural resources off limits to exploration (because it doesn't destroy the planet when we get oil from Saudi Arabia, only when we get it from Texas), I would think he's at an Al Gore level of craziness.
-If Trump ever trades five high level terrorist prisoners for one traitor, I will have to wonder if he has any brains at all. Not exactly "Art of the Deal" stuff.
-If Trump ever says, "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it", then I'll know that she...I mean he...is certifiably insane.
-If Trump ever sets up a highly unsecured private email server, uses it for government business, and then repeatedly lies to everyone about it, I'll have to question his sanity and mental stability.
-If Trump allowed Obama's JV team, ISIS, to flourish unchecked in the Middle East, I would say he's an incompetent fool of a President. Fortunately, Trump has very sanely defeated ISIS almost completely.
-If Trump sold guns to Mexican drug gangs and they used those guns to kill a DEA agent, I would think Trump has a screw loose.
-If Trump tries to ban guns, that's just crazy. Anyone who thinks Americans are going to give up their guns is delusional, which means crazy.
-If Trump kept making the same predictions over and over and over...for months and months and even years...and those predictions never once came true, but he was still so absolutely and completely sure of himself, I would think he's insane. Fortunately, he's not a global warming fanatic OR a NeverTrumper.
I'm sure there are more signs I should be watching for in case Trump goes crazy. So far, so good!
He's a crazy womanizing Nazi Russian agent who hates everyone but himself.
That explains why he has all that wealth, power, lovely wives and capable
children. He has to be nuts not to enjoy all that in order to be
ridiculed by all those brilliant people who disagree with him and his
supporters and voters.
I must admit that I have wondered why Trump ever wanted to be
president. Why would a Billionaire want to lower himself to be
president ? Which requires he be a politician. Will he kiss the
ass of the rich like the rest of them have done ? But ... he is
already rich.
There is more to life than being rich.
rumpelstiltskin
2018-01-11 01:07:59 UTC
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There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
El Castor
2018-01-11 02:23:13 UTC
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:58:15 -0800, El Castor
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There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
Not necessarily.

"The Dark Side of Having Rich Parents in Silicon Valley"
"Silicon Valley is an area known for its entrepreneurial spirit and
its affluent population of business and tech leaders. However, it’s
lesser known that the area has one of the highest suicide rates among
teenagers and young adults in the country. In the city of Palo Alto,
the heart of Silicon Valley, the adolescent suicide rate has spiked to
five times the national average."
https://nextshark.com/children-of-affluent-parents-in-palo-alto-are-commiting-suicide-at-an-alarming-rate/

"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more
distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of
substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and
stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
rumpelstiltskin
2018-01-11 07:59:36 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:58:15 -0800, El Castor
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Post by El Castor
There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
Not necessarily.
"The Dark Side of Having Rich Parents in Silicon Valley"
"Silicon Valley is an area known for its entrepreneurial spirit and
its affluent population of business and tech leaders. However, it’s
lesser known that the area has one of the highest suicide rates among
teenagers and young adults in the country. In the city of Palo Alto,
the heart of Silicon Valley, the adolescent suicide rate has spiked to
five times the national average."
https://nextshark.com/children-of-affluent-parents-in-palo-alto-are-commiting-suicide-at-an-alarming-rate/
"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more
distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of
substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and
stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
I meant "good for me", not "good for the country". Inherited
wealth is not usually "good for the country". It produces a lot
of idle-rich Bertie Woosters, but without the charm. I offer
the Walmart kids as a particularly ugly example. Let me add
Christina Onassis too, I just thought of her, though I'm not
nearly as fond of Jacqueline Kennedy/Onassis as many people
seem to be, either. Nor of Queen Elizabeth - she's a decent
human being as royalty goes, much better than most, but the
institution is rotten and needs to be eliminated, which her
presence and the fact that she's not as bad as most is
interfering with. We could just ship the royal family to
America, since Americans misguidedly seem to like them.
That would take care of some of Britain's problems, but I
live in the USA and I already have to put up with the
ridiculously "top"-heavy American aristocratic structure,
without adding even more parasites to it.

Bill Gates once said that he intends to leave his two daughters
five million dollars each, and the rest will go into charity. That
sounds fair to me.
El Castor
2018-01-11 08:29:49 UTC
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:23:13 -0800, El Castor
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:58:15 -0800, El Castor
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Post by El Castor
There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
Not necessarily.
"The Dark Side of Having Rich Parents in Silicon Valley"
"Silicon Valley is an area known for its entrepreneurial spirit and
its affluent population of business and tech leaders. However, it’s
lesser known that the area has one of the highest suicide rates among
teenagers and young adults in the country. In the city of Palo Alto,
the heart of Silicon Valley, the adolescent suicide rate has spiked to
five times the national average."
https://nextshark.com/children-of-affluent-parents-in-palo-alto-are-commiting-suicide-at-an-alarming-rate/
"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more
distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of
substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and
stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
I meant "good for me", not "good for the country". Inherited
wealth is not usually "good for the country". It produces a lot
of idle-rich Bertie Woosters, but without the charm. I offer
the Walmart kids as a particularly ugly example. Let me add
Christina Onassis too, I just thought of her, though I'm not
nearly as fond of Jacqueline Kennedy/Onassis as many people
seem to be, either. Nor of Queen Elizabeth - she's a decent
human being as royalty goes, much better than most, but the
institution is rotten and needs to be eliminated, which her
presence and the fact that she's not as bad as most is
interfering with. We could just ship the royal family to
America, since Americans misguidedly seem to like them.
That would take care of some of Britain's problems, but I
live in the USA and I already have to put up with the
ridiculously "top"-heavy American aristocratic structure,
without adding even more parasites to it.
Bill Gates once said that he intends to leave his two daughters
five million dollars each, and the rest will go into charity. That
sounds fair to me.
Sounds fair to me too, but that was Bill Gates decision -- which I
respect.
Gary
2018-01-11 12:42:15 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:23:13 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by rumpelstiltskin
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:58:15 -0800, El Castor
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Post by El Castor
There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
Not necessarily.
"The Dark Side of Having Rich Parents in Silicon Valley"
"Silicon Valley is an area known for its entrepreneurial spirit and
its affluent population of business and tech leaders. However, it’s
lesser known that the area has one of the highest suicide rates among
teenagers and young adults in the country. In the city of Palo Alto,
the heart of Silicon Valley, the adolescent suicide rate has spiked to
five times the national average."
https://nextshark.com/children-of-affluent-parents-in-palo-alto-are-commiting-suicide-at-an-alarming-rate/
"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more
distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of
substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and
stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
I meant "good for me", not "good for the country". Inherited
wealth is not usually "good for the country". It produces a lot
of idle-rich Bertie Woosters, but without the charm. I offer
the Walmart kids as a particularly ugly example. Let me add
Christina Onassis too, I just thought of her, though I'm not
nearly as fond of Jacqueline Kennedy/Onassis as many people
seem to be, either. Nor of Queen Elizabeth - she's a decent
human being as royalty goes, much better than most, but the
institution is rotten and needs to be eliminated, which her
presence and the fact that she's not as bad as most is
interfering with. We could just ship the royal family to
America, since Americans misguidedly seem to like them.
That would take care of some of Britain's problems, but I
live in the USA and I already have to put up with the
ridiculously "top"-heavy American aristocratic structure,
without adding even more parasites to it.
Bill Gates once said that he intends to leave his two daughters
five million dollars each, and the rest will go into charity. That
sounds fair to me.
Sounds fair to me too, but that was Bill Gates decision -- which I
respect.
I agree. After all -- what does his daughters need with "power" ?
Back in the 1950s -- JFK's father once explained things to a reporter.
He said something like: "No man needs more that two million dollars
to enjoy a good life. Everything over two million is --- power !"

So -- with inflation -- I suppose the 1950s two million might now be
five or ten :-)
El Castor
2018-01-11 18:51:20 UTC
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There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
Not necessarily.
"The Dark Side of Having Rich Parents in Silicon Valley"
"Silicon Valley is an area known for its entrepreneurial spirit and
its affluent population of business and tech leaders. However, it’s
lesser known that the area has one of the highest suicide rates among
teenagers and young adults in the country. In the city of Palo Alto,
the heart of Silicon Valley, the adolescent suicide rate has spiked to
five times the national average."
https://nextshark.com/children-of-affluent-parents-in-palo-alto-are-commiting-suicide-at-an-alarming-rate/
"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more
distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of
substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and
stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
I meant "good for me", not "good for the country". Inherited
wealth is not usually "good for the country". It produces a lot
of idle-rich Bertie Woosters, but without the charm. I offer
the Walmart kids as a particularly ugly example. Let me add
Christina Onassis too, I just thought of her, though I'm not
nearly as fond of Jacqueline Kennedy/Onassis as many people
seem to be, either. Nor of Queen Elizabeth - she's a decent
human being as royalty goes, much better than most, but the
institution is rotten and needs to be eliminated, which her
presence and the fact that she's not as bad as most is
interfering with. We could just ship the royal family to
America, since Americans misguidedly seem to like them.
That would take care of some of Britain's problems, but I
live in the USA and I already have to put up with the
ridiculously "top"-heavy American aristocratic structure,
without adding even more parasites to it.
Bill Gates once said that he intends to leave his two daughters
five million dollars each, and the rest will go into charity. That
sounds fair to me.
Sounds fair to me too, but that was Bill Gates decision -- which I
respect.
I agree. After all -- what does his daughters need with "power" ?
Back in the 1950s -- JFK's father once explained things to a reporter.
He said something like: "No man needs more that two million dollars
to enjoy a good life. Everything over two million is --- power !"
So -- with inflation -- I suppose the 1950s two million might now be
five or ten :-)
OK, but it should not be the role of government to seize Bill Gates
assets when he dies, and for what? Gates changed the modern world, and
has paid millions, probably billions, in taxes over the course of his
life. But, for some people, that isn't enough. Marx must be laughing
in his grave.
Gary
2018-01-11 20:08:09 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I meant "good for me", not "good for the country". Inherited
wealth is not usually "good for the country". It produces a lot
of idle-rich Bertie Woosters, but without the charm. I offer
the Walmart kids as a particularly ugly example. Let me add
Christina Onassis too, I just thought of her, though I'm not
nearly as fond of Jacqueline Kennedy/Onassis as many people
seem to be, either. Nor of Queen Elizabeth - she's a decent
human being as royalty goes, much better than most, but the
institution is rotten and needs to be eliminated, which her
presence and the fact that she's not as bad as most is
interfering with. We could just ship the royal family to
America, since Americans misguidedly seem to like them.
That would take care of some of Britain's problems, but I
live in the USA and I already have to put up with the
ridiculously "top"-heavy American aristocratic structure,
without adding even more parasites to it.
Bill Gates once said that he intends to leave his two daughters
five million dollars each, and the rest will go into charity. That
sounds fair to me.
Sounds fair to me too, but that was Bill Gates decision -- which I
respect.
I agree. After all -- what does his daughters need with "power" ?
Back in the 1950s -- JFK's father once explained things to a reporter.
He said something like: "No man needs more that two million dollars
to enjoy a good life. Everything over two million is --- power !"
So -- with inflation -- I suppose the 1950s two million might now be
five or ten :-)
OK, but it should not be the role of government to seize Bill Gates
assets when he dies, and for what? Gates changed the modern world, and
has paid millions, probably billions, in taxes over the course of his
life. But, for some people, that isn't enough. Marx must be laughing
in his grave.
I agree. I have never understood why some people resent and hate the
rich so much. Us working class people do a lot better when the rich
prosper -- than we do when they go broke. Look at what happened in
1929 !

Some people (Marx and some Democrats) think all people should have the
same income. I've never understood that.
rumpelstiltskin
2018-01-11 22:58:31 UTC
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:23:13 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by rumpelstiltskin
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:58:15 -0800, El Castor
<snip>
Post by El Castor
There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
Not necessarily.
"The Dark Side of Having Rich Parents in Silicon Valley"
"Silicon Valley is an area known for its entrepreneurial spirit and
its affluent population of business and tech leaders. However, it’s
lesser known that the area has one of the highest suicide rates among
teenagers and young adults in the country. In the city of Palo Alto,
the heart of Silicon Valley, the adolescent suicide rate has spiked to
five times the national average."
https://nextshark.com/children-of-affluent-parents-in-palo-alto-are-commiting-suicide-at-an-alarming-rate/
"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more
distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of
substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and
stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
I meant "good for me", not "good for the country". Inherited
wealth is not usually "good for the country". It produces a lot
of idle-rich Bertie Woosters, but without the charm. I offer
the Walmart kids as a particularly ugly example. Let me add
Christina Onassis too, I just thought of her, though I'm not
nearly as fond of Jacqueline Kennedy/Onassis as many people
seem to be, either. Nor of Queen Elizabeth - she's a decent
human being as royalty goes, much better than most, but the
institution is rotten and needs to be eliminated, which her
presence and the fact that she's not as bad as most is
interfering with. We could just ship the royal family to
America, since Americans misguidedly seem to like them.
That would take care of some of Britain's problems, but I
live in the USA and I already have to put up with the
ridiculously "top"-heavy American aristocratic structure,
without adding even more parasites to it.
Bill Gates once said that he intends to leave his two daughters
five million dollars each, and the rest will go into charity. That
sounds fair to me.
Sounds fair to me too, but that was Bill Gates decision -- which I
respect.
I agree. After all -- what does his daughters need with "power" ?
Back in the 1950s -- JFK's father once explained things to a reporter.
He said something like: "No man needs more that two million dollars
to enjoy a good life. Everything over two million is --- power !"
So -- with inflation -- I suppose the 1950s two million might now be
five or ten :-)
OK, but it should not be the role of government to seize Bill Gates
assets when he dies, and for what? Gates changed the modern world, and
has paid millions, probably billions, in taxes over the course of his
life. But, for some people, that isn't enough. Marx must be laughing
in his grave.
Bill Gates wouldn't have made anything if real people didn't
buy his stuff. Therefore "the people" have a rightful part in it.
"No man is an I(s)land,", as Donne wrote in Meditation 17.
https://web.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html
(that site botched the modern translation by changing "manor"
to "manner".)

"The annual labour of every nation is the fund which originally
supplies it with all the necessaries and conveniencies of life which
it annually consumes, and which consist always either in the immediate
produce of that labour, or in what is purchased with that produce from
other nations."
-- Adam Smith, "The Wealth of Nations": the very first sentence.
El Castor
2018-01-12 04:52:11 UTC
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Post by El Castor
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:23:13 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by rumpelstiltskin
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:58:15 -0800, El Castor
<snip>
Post by El Castor
There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
Not necessarily.
"The Dark Side of Having Rich Parents in Silicon Valley"
"Silicon Valley is an area known for its entrepreneurial spirit and
its affluent population of business and tech leaders. However, it’s
lesser known that the area has one of the highest suicide rates among
teenagers and young adults in the country. In the city of Palo Alto,
the heart of Silicon Valley, the adolescent suicide rate has spiked to
five times the national average."
https://nextshark.com/children-of-affluent-parents-in-palo-alto-are-commiting-suicide-at-an-alarming-rate/
"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more
distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of
substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and
stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
I meant "good for me", not "good for the country". Inherited
wealth is not usually "good for the country". It produces a lot
of idle-rich Bertie Woosters, but without the charm. I offer
the Walmart kids as a particularly ugly example. Let me add
Christina Onassis too, I just thought of her, though I'm not
nearly as fond of Jacqueline Kennedy/Onassis as many people
seem to be, either. Nor of Queen Elizabeth - she's a decent
human being as royalty goes, much better than most, but the
institution is rotten and needs to be eliminated, which her
presence and the fact that she's not as bad as most is
interfering with. We could just ship the royal family to
America, since Americans misguidedly seem to like them.
That would take care of some of Britain's problems, but I
live in the USA and I already have to put up with the
ridiculously "top"-heavy American aristocratic structure,
without adding even more parasites to it.
Bill Gates once said that he intends to leave his two daughters
five million dollars each, and the rest will go into charity. That
sounds fair to me.
Sounds fair to me too, but that was Bill Gates decision -- which I
respect.
I agree. After all -- what does his daughters need with "power" ?
Back in the 1950s -- JFK's father once explained things to a reporter.
He said something like: "No man needs more that two million dollars
to enjoy a good life. Everything over two million is --- power !"
So -- with inflation -- I suppose the 1950s two million might now be
five or ten :-)
OK, but it should not be the role of government to seize Bill Gates
assets when he dies, and for what? Gates changed the modern world, and
has paid millions, probably billions, in taxes over the course of his
life. But, for some people, that isn't enough. Marx must be laughing
in his grave.
Bill Gates wouldn't have made anything if real people didn't
buy his stuff. Therefore "the people" have a rightful part in it.
"No man is an I(s)land,", as Donne wrote in Meditation 17.
https://web.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html
(that site botched the modern translation by changing "manor"
to "manner".)
"The annual labour of every nation is the fund which originally
supplies it with all the necessaries and conveniencies of life which
it annually consumes, and which consist always either in the immediate
produce of that labour, or in what is purchased with that produce from
other nations."
-- Adam Smith, "The Wealth of Nations": the very first sentence.
By one estimate Microsoft employee stock options made 12,000
millionaires and three billionaires -- probably much more for investor
and pension fund buyers of it's stock. Then there are countless
businesses around the world that run more efficiently because of his
software and operating system. The Internet? Your computer? And, what
do you suppose he has done with his billions -- he has invested in
numerous startups and given billions to charity.

"Bill Gates: Big Pharma and Startups are Key to Gains in Global
Health"
https://www.barrons.com/articles/bill-gates-big-pharma-and-startups-are-key-to-gains-in-global-health-1515443789

Ever hear of the CRISPR gene editing machine? Gates helped to finance
it.

"Bill Gates Says America's College Dropout Rate Is Tragic. This
Startup Aims to Fix It"
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/bill-gates-says-americas-college-dropout-rate-is-tragic-this-startup-aims-to-fix-it.html?cid=hmside2

"Bill Gates makes $100 million personal investment to fight
Alzheimer's"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-dementia-gates/bill-gates-makes-100-million-personal-investment-to-fight-alzheimers-idUSKBN1DD0S3

"Bill Gates and Richard Branson Back Startup That Grows ‘Clean Meat’"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-23/cargill-bill-gates-bet-on-startup-making-meat-without-slaughter

"Bill Gates and rich allies help fund an alt-biotech startup path for
the gene expression experts at Exicure"
https://endpts.com/bill-gates-and-rich-allies-help-fund-an-alt-biotech-startup-path-for-the-gene-expression-experts-at-exicure/

etc.
rumpelstiltskin
2018-01-12 05:23:05 UTC
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By one estimate Microsoft employee stock options made 12,000
millionaires and three billionaires -- probably much more for investor
and pension fund buyers of it's stock. Then there are countless
businesses around the world that run more efficiently because of his
software and operating system. The Internet? Your computer? And, what
do you suppose he has done with his billions -- he has invested in
numerous startups and given billions to charity.
Sounds a lot like Watson, the founder of IBM.
Post by El Castor
"Bill Gates: Big Pharma and Startups are Key to Gains in Global
Health"
https://www.barrons.com/articles/bill-gates-big-pharma-and-startups-are-key-to-gains-in-global-health-1515443789
Ever hear of the CRISPR gene editing machine? Gates helped to finance
it.
"Bill Gates Says America's College Dropout Rate Is Tragic. This
Startup Aims to Fix It"
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/bill-gates-says-americas-college-dropout-rate-is-tragic-this-startup-aims-to-fix-it.html?cid=hmside2
"Bill Gates makes $100 million personal investment to fight
Alzheimer's"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-dementia-gates/bill-gates-makes-100-million-personal-investment-to-fight-alzheimers-idUSKBN1DD0S3
"Bill Gates and Richard Branson Back Startup That Grows ‘Clean Meat’"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-23/cargill-bill-gates-bet-on-startup-making-meat-without-slaughter
"Bill Gates and rich allies help fund an alt-biotech startup path for
the gene expression experts at Exicure"
https://endpts.com/bill-gates-and-rich-allies-help-fund-an-alt-biotech-startup-path-for-the-gene-expression-experts-at-exicure/
etc.
He's the richest man in the world, or close to
it. Granted he does a lot more good than the
Waltons, but he still has "too much" money.
With all that money, you can do a lot and still
be the richest man in the world. It is better
than not doing a lot, granted. He could not
be doing anything, like the Waltons. Even
one of the Koch brothers is the principle
funder of "NOVA", but that doesn't make the
Koch Brothers saints, or prove that their
money wouldn't be better if it were spread
around more.

I do like Bill Gates, BTW, even though I'm
sure he has plenty of faults, arrogance probably
being an inescapable one given his station.
mg
2018-01-12 12:11:13 UTC
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Post by El Castor
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Post by El Castor
Post by rumpelstiltskin
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:58:15 -0800, El Castor
<snip>
Post by El Castor
There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
Not necessarily.
"The Dark Side of Having Rich Parents in Silicon Valley"
"Silicon Valley is an area known for its entrepreneurial spirit and
its affluent population of business and tech leaders. However, it’s
lesser known that the area has one of the highest suicide rates among
teenagers and young adults in the country. In the city of Palo Alto,
the heart of Silicon Valley, the adolescent suicide rate has spiked to
five times the national average."
https://nextshark.com/children-of-affluent-parents-in-palo-alto-are-commiting-suicide-at-an-alarming-rate/
"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more
distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of
substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and
stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
I meant "good for me", not "good for the country". Inherited
wealth is not usually "good for the country". It produces a lot
of idle-rich Bertie Woosters, but without the charm. I offer
the Walmart kids as a particularly ugly example. Let me add
Christina Onassis too, I just thought of her, though I'm not
nearly as fond of Jacqueline Kennedy/Onassis as many people
seem to be, either. Nor of Queen Elizabeth - she's a decent
human being as royalty goes, much better than most, but the
institution is rotten and needs to be eliminated, which her
presence and the fact that she's not as bad as most is
interfering with. We could just ship the royal family to
America, since Americans misguidedly seem to like them.
That would take care of some of Britain's problems, but I
live in the USA and I already have to put up with the
ridiculously "top"-heavy American aristocratic structure,
without adding even more parasites to it.
Bill Gates once said that he intends to leave his two daughters
five million dollars each, and the rest will go into charity. That
sounds fair to me.
Sounds fair to me too, but that was Bill Gates decision -- which I
respect.
I agree. After all -- what does his daughters need with "power" ?
Back in the 1950s -- JFK's father once explained things to a reporter.
He said something like: "No man needs more that two million dollars
to enjoy a good life. Everything over two million is --- power !"
So -- with inflation -- I suppose the 1950s two million might now be
five or ten :-)
OK, but it should not be the role of government to seize Bill Gates
assets when he dies, and for what? Gates changed the modern world, and
has paid millions, probably billions, in taxes over the course of his
life. But, for some people, that isn't enough. Marx must be laughing
in his grave.
Bill Gates wouldn't have made anything if real people didn't
buy his stuff. Therefore "the people" have a rightful part in it.
"No man is an I(s)land,", as Donne wrote in Meditation 17.
https://web.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html
(that site botched the modern translation by changing "manor"
to "manner".)
"The annual labour of every nation is the fund which originally
supplies it with all the necessaries and conveniencies of life which
it annually consumes, and which consist always either in the immediate
produce of that labour, or in what is purchased with that produce from
other nations."
-- Adam Smith, "The Wealth of Nations": the very first sentence.
By one estimate Microsoft employee stock options made 12,000
millionaires and three billionaires -- probably much more for investor
and pension fund buyers of it's stock. Then there are countless
businesses around the world that run more efficiently because of his
software and operating system. The Internet? Your computer? And, what
do you suppose he has done with his billions -- he has invested in
numerous startups and given billions to charity.
"Bill Gates: Big Pharma and Startups are Key to Gains in Global
Health"
https://www.barrons.com/articles/bill-gates-big-pharma-and-startups-are-key-to-gains-in-global-health-1515443789
Ever hear of the CRISPR gene editing machine? Gates helped to finance
it.
"Bill Gates Says America's College Dropout Rate Is Tragic. This
Startup Aims to Fix It"
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/bill-gates-says-americas-college-dropout-rate-is-tragic-this-startup-aims-to-fix-it.html?cid=hmside2
"Bill Gates makes $100 million personal investment to fight
Alzheimer's"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-dementia-gates/bill-gates-makes-100-million-personal-investment-to-fight-alzheimers-idUSKBN1DD0S3
"Bill Gates and Richard Branson Back Startup That Grows ‘Clean Meat’"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-23/cargill-bill-gates-bet-on-startup-making-meat-without-slaughter
"Bill Gates and rich allies help fund an alt-biotech startup path for
the gene expression experts at Exicure"
https://endpts.com/bill-gates-and-rich-allies-help-fund-an-alt-biotech-startup-path-for-the-gene-expression-experts-at-exicure/
etc.
And don't forget this one:

"Bill Gates is developing a ‘next generation’ thin condom

AFP, September 19, 201411:16am

BILLIONAIRE philanthropist Bill Gates says progress is being
made on developing a “next-generation” ultra-thin, skin-like
condom that could offer better sexual pleasure, help
population control and be financed by first-world investors.
. . ."
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/sex/bill-gates-is-developing-a-next-generation-thin-condom/news-story/d46dac5818d4691f18a40c8f7565d9d8




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Contraception is a key in controlling the proliferation
of unusual weather that is endangering the world.
-- Al Gore & Bill Gates, World Economic Forum, 2014
rumpelstiltskin
2018-01-12 14:55:47 UTC
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"Bill Gates is developing a ‘next generation’ thin condom
AFP, September 19, 201411:16am
BILLIONAIRE philanthropist Bill Gates says progress is being
made on developing a “next-generation” ultra-thin, skin-like
condom that could offer better sexual pleasure, help
population control and be financed by first-world investors.
. . ."
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/sex/bill-gates-is-developing-a-next-generation-thin-condom/news-story/d46dac5818d4691f18a40c8f7565d9d8
Fortunately, back when I was still alive I never had need of
a condom. I don't know for sure, but I don't think any guys
actually like them. They're just a regrettable necessity, and
guys adjust to using them as best they can.
Post by mg
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Contraception is a key in controlling the proliferation
of unusual weather that is endangering the world.
-- Al Gore & Bill Gates, World Economic Forum, 2014
mg
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Post by mg
"Bill Gates is developing a ‘next generation’ thin condom
AFP, September 19, 201411:16am
BILLIONAIRE philanthropist Bill Gates says progress is being
made on developing a “next-generation” ultra-thin, skin-like
condom that could offer better sexual pleasure, help
population control and be financed by first-world investors.
. . ."
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/sex/bill-gates-is-developing-a-next-generation-thin-condom/news-story/d46dac5818d4691f18a40c8f7565d9d8
Fortunately, back when I was still alive I never had need of
a condom. I don't know for sure, but I don't think any guys
actually like them. They're just a regrettable necessity, and
guys adjust to using them as best they can.
Like taking a shower in a rain coat, as the old saying goes.
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Post by mg
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Contraception is a key in controlling the proliferation
of unusual weather that is endangering the world.
-- Al Gore & Bill Gates, World Economic Forum, 2014
rumpelstiltskin
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Fortunately, back when I was still alive I never had need of
a condom. I don't know for sure, but I don't think any guys
actually like them. They're just a regrettable necessity, and
guys adjust to using them as best they can.
Like taking a shower in a rain coat, as the old saying goes.
Never heard that before, but I like it!
Gary
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Post by El Castor
"Bill Gates: Big Pharma and Startups are Key to Gains in Global
Health"
https://www.barrons.com/articles/bill-gates-big-pharma-and-startups-are-key-to-gains-in-global-health-1515443789
Ever hear of the CRISPR gene editing machine? Gates helped to finance
it.
"Bill Gates Says America's College Dropout Rate Is Tragic. This
Startup Aims to Fix It"
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/bill-gates-says-americas-college-dropout-rate-is-tragic-this-startup-aims-to-fix-it.html?cid=hmside2
"Bill Gates makes $100 million personal investment to fight
Alzheimer's"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-dementia-gates/bill-gates-makes-100-million-personal-investment-to-fight-alzheimers-idUSKBN1DD0S3
"Bill Gates and Richard Branson Back Startup That Grows ‘Clean Meat’"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-23/cargill-bill-gates-bet-on-startup-making-meat-without-slaughter
"Bill Gates and rich allies help fund an alt-biotech startup path for
the gene expression experts at Exicure"
https://endpts.com/bill-gates-and-rich-allies-help-fund-an-alt-biotech-startup-path-for-the-gene-expression-experts-at-exicure/
etc.
"Bill Gates is developing a ‘next generation’ thin condom
AFP, September 19, 201411:16am
BILLIONAIRE philanthropist Bill Gates says progress is being
made on developing a “next-generation” ultra-thin, skin-like
condom that could offer better sexual pleasure, help
population control and be financed by first-world investors.
Ooooops ! Pardon me mg I don't miss many of your posts, but I
did this one. Otherwise I would not have mentioned Gates and his
rubbers when I responded to you on anohter thread.
El Castor
2018-01-12 21:30:17 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:52:11 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
"Bill Gates: Big Pharma and Startups are Key to Gains in Global
Health"
https://www.barrons.com/articles/bill-gates-big-pharma-and-startups-are-key-to-gains-in-global-health-1515443789
Ever hear of the CRISPR gene editing machine? Gates helped to finance
it.
"Bill Gates Says America's College Dropout Rate Is Tragic. This
Startup Aims to Fix It"
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/bill-gates-says-americas-college-dropout-rate-is-tragic-this-startup-aims-to-fix-it.html?cid=hmside2
"Bill Gates makes $100 million personal investment to fight
Alzheimer's"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-dementia-gates/bill-gates-makes-100-million-personal-investment-to-fight-alzheimers-idUSKBN1DD0S3
"Bill Gates and Richard Branson Back Startup That Grows ‘Clean Meat’"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-23/cargill-bill-gates-bet-on-startup-making-meat-without-slaughter
"Bill Gates and rich allies help fund an alt-biotech startup path for
the gene expression experts at Exicure"
https://endpts.com/bill-gates-and-rich-allies-help-fund-an-alt-biotech-startup-path-for-the-gene-expression-experts-at-exicure/
etc.
"Bill Gates is developing a ‘next generation’ thin condom
AFP, September 19, 201411:16am
BILLIONAIRE philanthropist Bill Gates says progress is being
made on developing a “next-generation” ultra-thin, skin-like
condom that could offer better sexual pleasure, help
population control and be financed by first-world investors.
Ooooops ! Pardon me mg I don't miss many of your posts, but I
did this one. Otherwise I would not have mentioned Gates and his
rubbers when I responded to you on anohter thread.
Gates is taking a practical approach to the population problem and
AIDS in Africa. Good for him.
d***@agent.com
2018-01-13 00:29:13 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
El Castor
Post by El Castor
"Bill Gates: Big Pharma and Startups are Key to Gains in Global
Health"
https://www.barrons.com/articles/bill-gates-big-pharma-and-startups-are-key-to-gains-in-global-health-1515443789
Ever hear of the CRISPR gene editing machine? Gates helped to finance
it.
"Bill Gates Says America's College Dropout Rate Is Tragic. This
Startup Aims to Fix It"
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/bill-gates-says-americas-college-dropout-rate-is-tragic-this-startup-aims-to-fix-it.html?cid=hmside2
"Bill Gates makes $100 million personal investment to fight
Alzheimer's"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-dementia-gates/bill-gates-makes-100-million-personal-investment-to-fight-alzheimers-idUSKBN1DD0S3
"Bill Gates and Richard Branson Back Startup That Grows ‘Clean Meat’"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-23/cargill-bill-gates-bet-on-startup-making-meat-without-slaughter
"Bill Gates and rich allies help fund an alt-biotech startup path for
the gene expression experts at Exicure"
https://endpts.com/bill-gates-and-rich-allies-help-fund-an-alt-biotech-startup-path-for-the-gene-expression-experts-at-exicure/
etc.
"Bill Gates is developing a ‘next generation’ thin condom
AFP, September 19, 201411:16am
BILLIONAIRE philanthropist Bill Gates says progress is being
made on developing a “next-generation” ultra-thin, skin-like
condom that could offer better sexual pleasure, help
population control and be financed by first-world investors.
Ooooops ! Pardon me mg I don't miss many of your posts, but I
did this one. Otherwise I would not have mentioned Gates and his
rubbers when I responded to you on anohter thread.
Gates is taking a practical approach to the population problem and
AIDS in Africa. Good for him.
What is Gates' approach to the problem of War & Peace?
Gary
2018-01-13 12:41:06 UTC
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:30:17 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:52:11 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
"Bill Gates: Big Pharma and Startups are Key to Gains in Global
Health"
https://www.barrons.com/articles/bill-gates-big-pharma-and-startups-are-key-to-gains-in-global-health-1515443789
Ever hear of the CRISPR gene editing machine? Gates helped to finance
it.
"Bill Gates Says America's College Dropout Rate Is Tragic. This
Startup Aims to Fix It"
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/bill-gates-says-americas-college-dropout-rate-is-tragic-this-startup-aims-to-fix-it.html?cid=hmside2
"Bill Gates makes $100 million personal investment to fight
Alzheimer's"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-dementia-gates/bill-gates-makes-100-million-personal-investment-to-fight-alzheimers-idUSKBN1DD0S3
"Bill Gates and Richard Branson Back Startup That Grows ‘Clean Meat’"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-23/cargill-bill-gates-bet-on-startup-making-meat-without-slaughter
"Bill Gates and rich allies help fund an alt-biotech startup path for
the gene expression experts at Exicure"
https://endpts.com/bill-gates-and-rich-allies-help-fund-an-alt-biotech-startup-path-for-the-gene-expression-experts-at-exicure/
etc.
"Bill Gates is developing a ‘next generation’ thin condom
AFP, September 19, 201411:16am
BILLIONAIRE philanthropist Bill Gates says progress is being
made on developing a “next-generation” ultra-thin, skin-like
condom that could offer better sexual pleasure, help
population control and be financed by first-world investors.
Ooooops ! Pardon me mg I don't miss many of your posts, but I
did this one. Otherwise I would not have mentioned Gates and his
rubbers when I responded to you on anohter thread.
Gates is taking a practical approach to the population problem and
AIDS in Africa. Good for him.
Left alone, AIDS might solve the African population problem.
islander
2018-01-13 01:24:58 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:51:20 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 00:29:49 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by rumpelstiltskin
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:23:13 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by rumpelstiltskin
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:58:15 -0800, El Castor
<snip>
Post by El Castor
There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
Not necessarily.
"The Dark Side of Having Rich Parents in Silicon Valley"
"Silicon Valley is an area known for its entrepreneurial spirit and
its affluent population of business and tech leaders. However, it’s
lesser known that the area has one of the highest suicide rates among
teenagers and young adults in the country. In the city of Palo Alto,
the heart of Silicon Valley, the adolescent suicide rate has spiked to
five times the national average."
https://nextshark.com/children-of-affluent-parents-in-palo-alto-are-commiting-suicide-at-an-alarming-rate/
"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more
distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of
substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and
stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
I meant "good for me", not "good for the country". Inherited
wealth is not usually "good for the country". It produces a lot
of idle-rich Bertie Woosters, but without the charm. I offer
the Walmart kids as a particularly ugly example. Let me add
Christina Onassis too, I just thought of her, though I'm not
nearly as fond of Jacqueline Kennedy/Onassis as many people
seem to be, either. Nor of Queen Elizabeth - she's a decent
human being as royalty goes, much better than most, but the
institution is rotten and needs to be eliminated, which her
presence and the fact that she's not as bad as most is
interfering with. We could just ship the royal family to
America, since Americans misguidedly seem to like them.
That would take care of some of Britain's problems, but I
live in the USA and I already have to put up with the
ridiculously "top"-heavy American aristocratic structure,
without adding even more parasites to it.
Bill Gates once said that he intends to leave his two daughters
five million dollars each, and the rest will go into charity. That
sounds fair to me.
Sounds fair to me too, but that was Bill Gates decision -- which I
respect.
I agree. After all -- what does his daughters need with "power" ?
Back in the 1950s -- JFK's father once explained things to a reporter.
He said something like: "No man needs more that two million dollars
to enjoy a good life. Everything over two million is --- power !"
So -- with inflation -- I suppose the 1950s two million might now be
five or ten :-)
OK, but it should not be the role of government to seize Bill Gates
assets when he dies, and for what? Gates changed the modern world, and
has paid millions, probably billions, in taxes over the course of his
life. But, for some people, that isn't enough. Marx must be laughing
in his grave.
Bill Gates wouldn't have made anything if real people didn't
buy his stuff. Therefore "the people" have a rightful part in it.
"No man is an I(s)land,", as Donne wrote in Meditation 17.
https://web.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html
(that site botched the modern translation by changing "manor"
to "manner".)
"The annual labour of every nation is the fund which originally
supplies it with all the necessaries and conveniencies of life which
it annually consumes, and which consist always either in the immediate
produce of that labour, or in what is purchased with that produce from
other nations."
-- Adam Smith, "The Wealth of Nations": the very first sentence.
By one estimate Microsoft employee stock options made 12,000
millionaires and three billionaires -- probably much more for investor
and pension fund buyers of it's stock. Then there are countless
businesses around the world that run more efficiently because of his
software and operating system. The Internet? Your computer? And, what
do you suppose he has done with his billions -- he has invested in
numerous startups and given billions to charity.
"Bill Gates: Big Pharma and Startups are Key to Gains in Global
Health"
https://www.barrons.com/articles/bill-gates-big-pharma-and-startups-are-key-to-gains-in-global-health-1515443789
Ever hear of the CRISPR gene editing machine? Gates helped to finance
it.
"Bill Gates Says America's College Dropout Rate Is Tragic. This
Startup Aims to Fix It"
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/bill-gates-says-americas-college-dropout-rate-is-tragic-this-startup-aims-to-fix-it.html?cid=hmside2
"Bill Gates makes $100 million personal investment to fight
Alzheimer's"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-dementia-gates/bill-gates-makes-100-million-personal-investment-to-fight-alzheimers-idUSKBN1DD0S3
"Bill Gates and Richard Branson Back Startup That Grows ‘Clean Meat’"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-23/cargill-bill-gates-bet-on-startup-making-meat-without-slaughter
"Bill Gates and rich allies help fund an alt-biotech startup path for
the gene expression experts at Exicure"
https://endpts.com/bill-gates-and-rich-allies-help-fund-an-alt-biotech-startup-path-for-the-gene-expression-experts-at-exicure/
etc.
Until Win10, Microsoft paid little attention to computer security and I
fault Gates leadership for that. It was thought that the investment was
not worth the potential liability. That was a business decision, but
really stupid when you think about it.
El Castor
2018-01-13 20:26:04 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:51:20 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 00:29:49 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by rumpelstiltskin
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:23:13 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by rumpelstiltskin
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:58:15 -0800, El Castor
<snip>
Post by El Castor
There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
Not necessarily.
"The Dark Side of Having Rich Parents in Silicon Valley"
"Silicon Valley is an area known for its entrepreneurial spirit and
its affluent population of business and tech leaders. However, it’s
lesser known that the area has one of the highest suicide rates among
teenagers and young adults in the country. In the city of Palo Alto,
the heart of Silicon Valley, the adolescent suicide rate has spiked to
five times the national average."
https://nextshark.com/children-of-affluent-parents-in-palo-alto-are-commiting-suicide-at-an-alarming-rate/
"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more
distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of
substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and
stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
I meant "good for me", not "good for the country". Inherited
wealth is not usually "good for the country". It produces a lot
of idle-rich Bertie Woosters, but without the charm. I offer
the Walmart kids as a particularly ugly example. Let me add
Christina Onassis too, I just thought of her, though I'm not
nearly as fond of Jacqueline Kennedy/Onassis as many people
seem to be, either. Nor of Queen Elizabeth - she's a decent
human being as royalty goes, much better than most, but the
institution is rotten and needs to be eliminated, which her
presence and the fact that she's not as bad as most is
interfering with. We could just ship the royal family to
America, since Americans misguidedly seem to like them.
That would take care of some of Britain's problems, but I
live in the USA and I already have to put up with the
ridiculously "top"-heavy American aristocratic structure,
without adding even more parasites to it.
Bill Gates once said that he intends to leave his two daughters
five million dollars each, and the rest will go into charity. That
sounds fair to me.
Sounds fair to me too, but that was Bill Gates decision -- which I
respect.
I agree. After all -- what does his daughters need with "power" ?
Back in the 1950s -- JFK's father once explained things to a reporter.
He said something like: "No man needs more that two million dollars
to enjoy a good life. Everything over two million is --- power !"
So -- with inflation -- I suppose the 1950s two million might now be
five or ten :-)
OK, but it should not be the role of government to seize Bill Gates
assets when he dies, and for what? Gates changed the modern world, and
has paid millions, probably billions, in taxes over the course of his
life. But, for some people, that isn't enough. Marx must be laughing
in his grave.
Bill Gates wouldn't have made anything if real people didn't
buy his stuff. Therefore "the people" have a rightful part in it.
"No man is an I(s)land,", as Donne wrote in Meditation 17.
https://web.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html
(that site botched the modern translation by changing "manor"
to "manner".)
"The annual labour of every nation is the fund which originally
supplies it with all the necessaries and conveniencies of life which
it annually consumes, and which consist always either in the immediate
produce of that labour, or in what is purchased with that produce from
other nations."
-- Adam Smith, "The Wealth of Nations": the very first sentence.
By one estimate Microsoft employee stock options made 12,000
millionaires and three billionaires -- probably much more for investor
and pension fund buyers of it's stock. Then there are countless
businesses around the world that run more efficiently because of his
software and operating system. The Internet? Your computer? And, what
do you suppose he has done with his billions -- he has invested in
numerous startups and given billions to charity.
"Bill Gates: Big Pharma and Startups are Key to Gains in Global
Health"
https://www.barrons.com/articles/bill-gates-big-pharma-and-startups-are-key-to-gains-in-global-health-1515443789
Ever hear of the CRISPR gene editing machine? Gates helped to finance
it.
"Bill Gates Says America's College Dropout Rate Is Tragic. This
Startup Aims to Fix It"
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/bill-gates-says-americas-college-dropout-rate-is-tragic-this-startup-aims-to-fix-it.html?cid=hmside2
"Bill Gates makes $100 million personal investment to fight
Alzheimer's"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-dementia-gates/bill-gates-makes-100-million-personal-investment-to-fight-alzheimers-idUSKBN1DD0S3
"Bill Gates and Richard Branson Back Startup That Grows ‘Clean Meat’"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-23/cargill-bill-gates-bet-on-startup-making-meat-without-slaughter
"Bill Gates and rich allies help fund an alt-biotech startup path for
the gene expression experts at Exicure"
https://endpts.com/bill-gates-and-rich-allies-help-fund-an-alt-biotech-startup-path-for-the-gene-expression-experts-at-exicure/
etc.
Until Win10, Microsoft paid little attention to computer security and I
fault Gates leadership for that. It was thought that the investment was
not worth the potential liability. That was a business decision, but
really stupid when you think about it.
I do credit Apple with an IOS and app control that is inherently more
secure -- and probably more profitable.
islander
2018-01-14 16:32:53 UTC
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Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:51:20 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 00:29:49 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by rumpelstiltskin
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:23:13 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by rumpelstiltskin
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:58:15 -0800, El Castor
<snip>
Post by El Castor
There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
Not necessarily.
"The Dark Side of Having Rich Parents in Silicon Valley"
"Silicon Valley is an area known for its entrepreneurial spirit and
its affluent population of business and tech leaders. However, it’s
lesser known that the area has one of the highest suicide rates among
teenagers and young adults in the country. In the city of Palo Alto,
the heart of Silicon Valley, the adolescent suicide rate has spiked to
five times the national average."
https://nextshark.com/children-of-affluent-parents-in-palo-alto-are-commiting-suicide-at-an-alarming-rate/
"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more
distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of
substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and
stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
I meant "good for me", not "good for the country". Inherited
wealth is not usually "good for the country". It produces a lot
of idle-rich Bertie Woosters, but without the charm. I offer
the Walmart kids as a particularly ugly example. Let me add
Christina Onassis too, I just thought of her, though I'm not
nearly as fond of Jacqueline Kennedy/Onassis as many people
seem to be, either. Nor of Queen Elizabeth - she's a decent
human being as royalty goes, much better than most, but the
institution is rotten and needs to be eliminated, which her
presence and the fact that she's not as bad as most is
interfering with. We could just ship the royal family to
America, since Americans misguidedly seem to like them.
That would take care of some of Britain's problems, but I
live in the USA and I already have to put up with the
ridiculously "top"-heavy American aristocratic structure,
without adding even more parasites to it.
Bill Gates once said that he intends to leave his two daughters
five million dollars each, and the rest will go into charity. That
sounds fair to me.
Sounds fair to me too, but that was Bill Gates decision -- which I
respect.
I agree. After all -- what does his daughters need with "power" ?
Back in the 1950s -- JFK's father once explained things to a reporter.
He said something like: "No man needs more that two million dollars
to enjoy a good life. Everything over two million is --- power !"
So -- with inflation -- I suppose the 1950s two million might now be
five or ten :-)
OK, but it should not be the role of government to seize Bill Gates
assets when he dies, and for what? Gates changed the modern world, and
has paid millions, probably billions, in taxes over the course of his
life. But, for some people, that isn't enough. Marx must be laughing
in his grave.
Bill Gates wouldn't have made anything if real people didn't
buy his stuff. Therefore "the people" have a rightful part in it.
"No man is an I(s)land,", as Donne wrote in Meditation 17.
https://web.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html
(that site botched the modern translation by changing "manor"
to "manner".)
"The annual labour of every nation is the fund which originally
supplies it with all the necessaries and conveniencies of life which
it annually consumes, and which consist always either in the immediate
produce of that labour, or in what is purchased with that produce from
other nations."
-- Adam Smith, "The Wealth of Nations": the very first sentence.
By one estimate Microsoft employee stock options made 12,000
millionaires and three billionaires -- probably much more for investor
and pension fund buyers of it's stock. Then there are countless
businesses around the world that run more efficiently because of his
software and operating system. The Internet? Your computer? And, what
do you suppose he has done with his billions -- he has invested in
numerous startups and given billions to charity.
"Bill Gates: Big Pharma and Startups are Key to Gains in Global
Health"
https://www.barrons.com/articles/bill-gates-big-pharma-and-startups-are-key-to-gains-in-global-health-1515443789
Ever hear of the CRISPR gene editing machine? Gates helped to finance
it.
"Bill Gates Says America's College Dropout Rate Is Tragic. This
Startup Aims to Fix It"
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/bill-gates-says-americas-college-dropout-rate-is-tragic-this-startup-aims-to-fix-it.html?cid=hmside2
"Bill Gates makes $100 million personal investment to fight
Alzheimer's"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-dementia-gates/bill-gates-makes-100-million-personal-investment-to-fight-alzheimers-idUSKBN1DD0S3
"Bill Gates and Richard Branson Back Startup That Grows ‘Clean Meat’"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-23/cargill-bill-gates-bet-on-startup-making-meat-without-slaughter
"Bill Gates and rich allies help fund an alt-biotech startup path for
the gene expression experts at Exicure"
https://endpts.com/bill-gates-and-rich-allies-help-fund-an-alt-biotech-startup-path-for-the-gene-expression-experts-at-exicure/
etc.
Until Win10, Microsoft paid little attention to computer security and I
fault Gates leadership for that. It was thought that the investment was
not worth the potential liability. That was a business decision, but
really stupid when you think about it.
I do credit Apple with an IOS and app control that is inherently more
secure -- and probably more profitable.
The allusion of security seems to be what Apple values. Microsoft's
products are notoriously bad, although Win10 seems to be better. A day
late and a dollar short, IMV. It would be interesting to know what
kinds of machines and operating systems the Russians hacked into in
2015-6. I suspect that they were mostly using Microsoft operating systems.

Interestingly, Hillary's server was running Linux and there is no
evidence that it was ever hacked. There were attempts, but none
successful as far as we know.
rumpelstiltskin
2018-01-14 18:10:25 UTC
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The allusion of security seems to be what Apple values. Microsoft's
products are notoriously bad, although Win10 seems to be better. A day
late and a dollar short, IMV. It would be interesting to know what
kinds of machines and operating systems the Russians hacked into in
2015-6. I suspect that they were mostly using Microsoft operating systems.
Interestingly, Hillary's server was running Linux and there is no
evidence that it was ever hacked. There were attempts, but none
successful as far as we know.
Just yesterday I got a warning that my computer had been
infected with the "Zeus" virus, and the screen was frozen.
with a message "Do Not Turn Off Your Computer" plus a
telephone number to call, supposedly Microsoft but almost
certainly (IMO) not. I unplugged off the computer, plugged
it back in, and immediately ran a Zone Alarm complete
scan, which did find two infections which it quarantined.
I've had no problem since. My son's roommate in Alaska
had something similar and he did call the phone number.
That cost him $300 the first time, and then he fell for it
again (much to my son's disbelief) and it cost him $700
the second time. I haven't checked with my son yet to see
if what I saw was similar to what his roommate fell for
twice. I don't know where that infection came from. The
message came up when I tried to load Flickr which is
pretty dead now but I hadn't checked it for a long time.
I doubt that Flickr was the cause of the screen.
Supposedly such screens often come up as a result of
visiting porn sites, which I do occasionally but not recently,
not for more than a month I think. It did have the good
effect of making me notice that Microsoft Security
Essentials was no longer running in my task manager.
I updated,and that seems to have been replaced with
Windows Firewall (MpsSvc) now.
islander
2018-01-15 14:54:34 UTC
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Post by islander
The allusion of security seems to be what Apple values. Microsoft's
products are notoriously bad, although Win10 seems to be better. A day
late and a dollar short, IMV. It would be interesting to know what
kinds of machines and operating systems the Russians hacked into in
2015-6. I suspect that they were mostly using Microsoft operating systems.
Interestingly, Hillary's server was running Linux and there is no
evidence that it was ever hacked. There were attempts, but none
successful as far as we know.
Just yesterday I got a warning that my computer had been
infected with the "Zeus" virus, and the screen was frozen.
with a message "Do Not Turn Off Your Computer" plus a
telephone number to call, supposedly Microsoft but almost
certainly (IMO) not. I unplugged off the computer, plugged
it back in, and immediately ran a Zone Alarm complete
scan, which did find two infections which it quarantined.
I've had no problem since. My son's roommate in Alaska
had something similar and he did call the phone number.
That cost him $300 the first time, and then he fell for it
again (much to my son's disbelief) and it cost him $700
the second time. I haven't checked with my son yet to see
if what I saw was similar to what his roommate fell for
twice. I don't know where that infection came from. The
message came up when I tried to load Flickr which is
pretty dead now but I hadn't checked it for a long time.
I doubt that Flickr was the cause of the screen.
Supposedly such screens often come up as a result of
visiting porn sites, which I do occasionally but not recently,
not for more than a month I think. It did have the good
effect of making me notice that Microsoft Security
Essentials was no longer running in my task manager.
I updated,and that seems to have been replaced with
Windows Firewall (MpsSvc) now.
I get those calls all the time. Very annoying!

Otherwise, I have had no problems since I upgraded to Win10. Maybe
Microsoft finally got the message that security is important.

The other thing that plagues me are all the attempts to phish. One has
to be extremely careful to not click on links unless you have absolute
confidence that they are safe. I may be missing out on some really
interesting stuff, but my computer keeps working faithfully (knock on
wood - my computer desk is actual, real wood).
rumpelstiltskin
2018-01-15 19:00:41 UTC
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The allusion of security seems to be what Apple values. Microsoft's
products are notoriously bad, although Win10 seems to be better. A day
late and a dollar short, IMV. It would be interesting to know what
kinds of machines and operating systems the Russians hacked into in
2015-6. I suspect that they were mostly using Microsoft operating systems.
Since "hacking" seems to just mean "spying", substituted
for propaganda effect, nobody does "spying" better than the
USA. I expect the USA to do that and would be upset if it
weren't doing it. I expect the Russians feel the same way
about Russian spying (or "hacking" if the Russians use the
same propaganda item - I don't know if they do or not).
Post by islander
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by islander
Interestingly, Hillary's server was running Linux and there is no
evidence that it was ever hacked. There were attempts, but none
successful as far as we know.
Just yesterday I got a warning that my computer had been
infected with the "Zeus" virus, and the screen was frozen.
with a message "Do Not Turn Off Your Computer" plus a
telephone number to call, supposedly Microsoft but almost
certainly (IMO) not. I unplugged off the computer, plugged
it back in, and immediately ran a Zone Alarm complete
scan, which did find two infections which it quarantined.
I've had no problem since. My son's roommate in Alaska
had something similar and he did call the phone number.
That cost him $300 the first time, and then he fell for it
again (much to my son's disbelief) and it cost him $700
the second time. I haven't checked with my son yet to see
if what I saw was similar to what his roommate fell for
twice. I don't know where that infection came from. The
message came up when I tried to load Flickr which is
pretty dead now but I hadn't checked it for a long time.
I doubt that Flickr was the cause of the screen.
Supposedly such screens often come up as a result of
visiting porn sites, which I do occasionally but not recently,
not for more than a month I think. It did have the good
effect of making me notice that Microsoft Security
Essentials was no longer running in my task manager.
I updated,and that seems to have been replaced with
Windows Firewall (MpsSvc) now.
I get those calls all the time. Very annoying!
This wasn't a "call". It was a popup that I couldn't get
rid of until I rebooted. Then I ran ZoneAlarm to get rid
of the virus. As noted above, I don't know when or
whence it got into my computer.
Post by islander
Otherwise, I have had no problems since I upgraded to Win10. Maybe
Microsoft finally got the message that security is important.
The other thing that plagues me are all the attempts to phish. One has
to be extremely careful to not click on links unless you have absolute
confidence that they are safe. I may be missing out on some really
interesting stuff, but my computer keeps working faithfully (knock on
wood - my computer desk is actual, real wood).
Amazon has my credit card number, and also my ISP which only
charges me $2.95 a month. Kaiser must have it too, but I've never
had Kaiser charge me online - they bill me. As soon as any site
I don't know asks me for my credit card number, SS number, or
even my email address, it's exit-stage-right for me.
islander
2018-01-15 22:39:50 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
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The allusion of security seems to be what Apple values. Microsoft's
products are notoriously bad, although Win10 seems to be better. A day
late and a dollar short, IMV. It would be interesting to know what
kinds of machines and operating systems the Russians hacked into in
2015-6. I suspect that they were mostly using Microsoft operating systems.
Since "hacking" seems to just mean "spying", substituted
for propaganda effect, nobody does "spying" better than the
USA. I expect the USA to do that and would be upset if it
weren't doing it. I expect the Russians feel the same way
about Russian spying (or "hacking" if the Russians use the
same propaganda item - I don't know if they do or not).
Post by islander
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by islander
Interestingly, Hillary's server was running Linux and there is no
evidence that it was ever hacked. There were attempts, but none
successful as far as we know.
Just yesterday I got a warning that my computer had been
infected with the "Zeus" virus, and the screen was frozen.
with a message "Do Not Turn Off Your Computer" plus a
telephone number to call, supposedly Microsoft but almost
certainly (IMO) not. I unplugged off the computer, plugged
it back in, and immediately ran a Zone Alarm complete
scan, which did find two infections which it quarantined.
I've had no problem since. My son's roommate in Alaska
had something similar and he did call the phone number.
That cost him $300 the first time, and then he fell for it
again (much to my son's disbelief) and it cost him $700
the second time. I haven't checked with my son yet to see
if what I saw was similar to what his roommate fell for
twice. I don't know where that infection came from. The
message came up when I tried to load Flickr which is
pretty dead now but I hadn't checked it for a long time.
I doubt that Flickr was the cause of the screen.
Supposedly such screens often come up as a result of
visiting porn sites, which I do occasionally but not recently,
not for more than a month I think. It did have the good
effect of making me notice that Microsoft Security
Essentials was no longer running in my task manager.
I updated,and that seems to have been replaced with
Windows Firewall (MpsSvc) now.
I get those calls all the time. Very annoying!
This wasn't a "call". It was a popup that I couldn't get
rid of until I rebooted. Then I ran ZoneAlarm to get rid
of the virus. As noted above, I don't know when or
whence it got into my computer.
Post by islander
Otherwise, I have had no problems since I upgraded to Win10. Maybe
Microsoft finally got the message that security is important.
The other thing that plagues me are all the attempts to phish. One has
to be extremely careful to not click on links unless you have absolute
confidence that they are safe. I may be missing out on some really
interesting stuff, but my computer keeps working faithfully (knock on
wood - my computer desk is actual, real wood).
Amazon has my credit card number, and also my ISP which only
charges me $2.95 a month. Kaiser must have it too, but I've never
had Kaiser charge me online - they bill me. As soon as any site
I don't know asks me for my credit card number, SS number, or
even my email address, it's exit-stage-right for me.
It is hard to avoid electronic transactions these days. We use it a
lot, but have occasionally had a problem. We limit ourselves to one
credit card (Chase) and they have been very good at questioning charges
that don't fit our profile. If we request it, they will issue a new
account at no charge, but we just found out recently that they continue
honoring the old account. We check our statements carefully, but there
was no indication that they were still sending a couple of charges
through the old account until we got notices that charges were refused,
six months after we changed accounts. Very annoying since we were
depending on them to reject charges to the old account. Life is getting
too complicated!

On a different note, our downdraft for the range stopped working, so
instead of fixing it myself, I agreed to call in an appliance repairman.
He spent 8 hours trying to fix the problem and finally found that a
mouse had chewed through the wiring at the external fan. Fixed that,
but it still didn't work. He gave up, but agreed to only charge us $250
for the service call. OK, so this morning I figured that I would have
to see if I could fix it myself. Checked out the wiring and found that
everything was OK between the unit in the kitchen and the external fan.
Wired around the unit and determined that the wiring and the fan were
OK, so the problem had to be in the unit itself. So, today I contacted
Viking, the manufacturer, and "chatted" with a nice lady who assured
that she would have a qualified technician contact me. At that point I
was connected with a service that required a $5 fee and a $32 payment
for the initial consultation. Of course, I could sign up for
"expedited" service for a higher cost which I declined. So now, I am
locked out of the chat connection with the "nice lady" at Viking and the
page says that an appliance technician is "working on the problem."
Well, it is a holiday! So, I'll wait until tomorrow before I complain.
But, I really strongly object to being drawn into what is clearly a
marketing program. Grumble!!!
rumpelstiltskin
2018-01-16 03:02:58 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by islander
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Post by islander
The allusion of security seems to be what Apple values. Microsoft's
products are notoriously bad, although Win10 seems to be better. A day
late and a dollar short, IMV. It would be interesting to know what
kinds of machines and operating systems the Russians hacked into in
2015-6. I suspect that they were mostly using Microsoft operating systems.
Since "hacking" seems to just mean "spying", substituted
for propaganda effect, nobody does "spying" better than the
USA. I expect the USA to do that and would be upset if it
weren't doing it. I expect the Russians feel the same way
about Russian spying (or "hacking" if the Russians use the
same propaganda item - I don't know if they do or not).
Post by islander
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by islander
Interestingly, Hillary's server was running Linux and there is no
evidence that it was ever hacked. There were attempts, but none
successful as far as we know.
Just yesterday I got a warning that my computer had been
infected with the "Zeus" virus, and the screen was frozen.
with a message "Do Not Turn Off Your Computer" plus a
telephone number to call, supposedly Microsoft but almost
certainly (IMO) not. I unplugged off the computer, plugged
it back in, and immediately ran a Zone Alarm complete
scan, which did find two infections which it quarantined.
I've had no problem since. My son's roommate in Alaska
had something similar and he did call the phone number.
That cost him $300 the first time, and then he fell for it
again (much to my son's disbelief) and it cost him $700
the second time. I haven't checked with my son yet to see
if what I saw was similar to what his roommate fell for
twice. I don't know where that infection came from. The
message came up when I tried to load Flickr which is
pretty dead now but I hadn't checked it for a long time.
I doubt that Flickr was the cause of the screen.
Supposedly such screens often come up as a result of
visiting porn sites, which I do occasionally but not recently,
not for more than a month I think. It did have the good
effect of making me notice that Microsoft Security
Essentials was no longer running in my task manager.
I updated,and that seems to have been replaced with
Windows Firewall (MpsSvc) now.
I get those calls all the time. Very annoying!
This wasn't a "call". It was a popup that I couldn't get
rid of until I rebooted. Then I ran ZoneAlarm to get rid
of the virus. As noted above, I don't know when or
whence it got into my computer.
Post by islander
Otherwise, I have had no problems since I upgraded to Win10. Maybe
Microsoft finally got the message that security is important.
The other thing that plagues me are all the attempts to phish. One has
to be extremely careful to not click on links unless you have absolute
confidence that they are safe. I may be missing out on some really
interesting stuff, but my computer keeps working faithfully (knock on
wood - my computer desk is actual, real wood).
Amazon has my credit card number, and also my ISP which only
charges me $2.95 a month. Kaiser must have it too, but I've never
had Kaiser charge me online - they bill me. As soon as any site
I don't know asks me for my credit card number, SS number, or
even my email address, it's exit-stage-right for me.
It is hard to avoid electronic transactions these days. We use it a
lot, but have occasionally had a problem. We limit ourselves to one
credit card (Chase) and they have been very good at questioning charges
that don't fit our profile. If we request it, they will issue a new
account at no charge, but we just found out recently that they continue
honoring the old account. We check our statements carefully, but there
was no indication that they were still sending a couple of charges
through the old account until we got notices that charges were refused,
six months after we changed accounts. Very annoying since we were
depending on them to reject charges to the old account. Life is getting
too complicated!
That certainly is annoying.

I have two credit cards: an Amazon card for Amazon and
a Citi card for everything else. If I wanted to spend a couple
of hours a month figuring out what kinds of goods were
"5% cashback" that month and which were "2% cashback".
I might be able to save a little money but probably very little,
nowhere near worth the fiddle. I had a Target card that
gave me 4% cashback (I think), but I rarely shop at Target
and usually only buy cat food there, so the savings wouldn't
even cover the stamp. I never, never, never allow anyone
to automatically make deductions from my bank account.
The phone company keeps trying to get me to do that, but
I know what would happen: I'd cancel the service and then
they'd keep charging me. A lot of "benefits" on credit
cards say, for example, "5% off on qualified travel". How
the heck would I know what travel is "qualified"?

I had a debit card for my local bank that I only used for
ATM functions, but I was nervous about it. When I
found they had a special card that could ONLY be used
for ATM functions, I immediately got that card instead.

Cashback for charging gasoline around here doesn't
work, because there's a fee for using a debit card and
they don't take credit cards. That fee wipes out much
of the cashback benefit, and is more trouble to use than
it's worth anyway. I'd have to enter my password
which would make me far too nervous. We frequently
hear around here about "skimmers" that will fit inside
the debit card slot, and steal your money.
Post by islander
On a different note, our downdraft for the range stopped working, so
instead of fixing it myself, I agreed to call in an appliance repairman.
He spent 8 hours trying to fix the problem and finally found that a
mouse had chewed through the wiring at the external fan. Fixed that,
but it still didn't work. He gave up, but agreed to only charge us $250
for the service call. OK, so this morning I figured that I would have
to see if I could fix it myself. Checked out the wiring and found that
everything was OK between the unit in the kitchen and the external fan.
Wired around the unit and determined that the wiring and the fan were
OK, so the problem had to be in the unit itself. So, today I contacted
Viking, the manufacturer, and "chatted" with a nice lady who assured
that she would have a qualified technician contact me. At that point I
was connected with a service that required a $5 fee and a $32 payment
for the initial consultation. Of course, I could sign up for
"expedited" service for a higher cost which I declined. So now, I am
locked out of the chat connection with the "nice lady" at Viking and the
page says that an appliance technician is "working on the problem."
Well, it is a holiday! So, I'll wait until tomorrow before I complain.
But, I really strongly object to being drawn into what is clearly a
marketing program. Grumble!!!
Too bad Ben Franklin isn't one of your neighbors! He could fix
it right up as long as you could put up with his aphorisms.
islander
2018-01-17 23:48:29 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by islander
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Post by islander
The allusion of security seems to be what Apple values. Microsoft's
products are notoriously bad, although Win10 seems to be better. A day
late and a dollar short, IMV. It would be interesting to know what
kinds of machines and operating systems the Russians hacked into in
2015-6. I suspect that they were mostly using Microsoft operating systems.
Since "hacking" seems to just mean "spying", substituted
for propaganda effect, nobody does "spying" better than the
USA. I expect the USA to do that and would be upset if it
weren't doing it. I expect the Russians feel the same way
about Russian spying (or "hacking" if the Russians use the
same propaganda item - I don't know if they do or not).
Post by islander
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by islander
Interestingly, Hillary's server was running Linux and there is no
evidence that it was ever hacked. There were attempts, but none
successful as far as we know.
Just yesterday I got a warning that my computer had been
infected with the "Zeus" virus, and the screen was frozen.
with a message "Do Not Turn Off Your Computer" plus a
telephone number to call, supposedly Microsoft but almost
certainly (IMO) not. I unplugged off the computer, plugged
it back in, and immediately ran a Zone Alarm complete
scan, which did find two infections which it quarantined.
I've had no problem since. My son's roommate in Alaska
had something similar and he did call the phone number.
That cost him $300 the first time, and then he fell for it
again (much to my son's disbelief) and it cost him $700
the second time. I haven't checked with my son yet to see
if what I saw was similar to what his roommate fell for
twice. I don't know where that infection came from. The
message came up when I tried to load Flickr which is
pretty dead now but I hadn't checked it for a long time.
I doubt that Flickr was the cause of the screen.
Supposedly such screens often come up as a result of
visiting porn sites, which I do occasionally but not recently,
not for more than a month I think. It did have the good
effect of making me notice that Microsoft Security
Essentials was no longer running in my task manager.
I updated,and that seems to have been replaced with
Windows Firewall (MpsSvc) now.
I get those calls all the time. Very annoying!
This wasn't a "call". It was a popup that I couldn't get
rid of until I rebooted. Then I ran ZoneAlarm to get rid
of the virus. As noted above, I don't know when or
whence it got into my computer.
Post by islander
Otherwise, I have had no problems since I upgraded to Win10. Maybe
Microsoft finally got the message that security is important.
The other thing that plagues me are all the attempts to phish. One has
to be extremely careful to not click on links unless you have absolute
confidence that they are safe. I may be missing out on some really
interesting stuff, but my computer keeps working faithfully (knock on
wood - my computer desk is actual, real wood).
Amazon has my credit card number, and also my ISP which only
charges me $2.95 a month. Kaiser must have it too, but I've never
had Kaiser charge me online - they bill me. As soon as any site
I don't know asks me for my credit card number, SS number, or
even my email address, it's exit-stage-right for me.
It is hard to avoid electronic transactions these days. We use it a
lot, but have occasionally had a problem. We limit ourselves to one
credit card (Chase) and they have been very good at questioning charges
that don't fit our profile. If we request it, they will issue a new
account at no charge, but we just found out recently that they continue
honoring the old account. We check our statements carefully, but there
was no indication that they were still sending a couple of charges
through the old account until we got notices that charges were refused,
six months after we changed accounts. Very annoying since we were
depending on them to reject charges to the old account. Life is getting
too complicated!
That certainly is annoying.
I have two credit cards: an Amazon card for Amazon and
a Citi card for everything else. If I wanted to spend a couple
of hours a month figuring out what kinds of goods were
"5% cashback" that month and which were "2% cashback".
I might be able to save a little money but probably very little,
nowhere near worth the fiddle. I had a Target card that
gave me 4% cashback (I think), but I rarely shop at Target
and usually only buy cat food there, so the savings wouldn't
even cover the stamp. I never, never, never allow anyone
to automatically make deductions from my bank account.
The phone company keeps trying to get me to do that, but
I know what would happen: I'd cancel the service and then
they'd keep charging me. A lot of "benefits" on credit
cards say, for example, "5% off on qualified travel". How
the heck would I know what travel is "qualified"?
I had a debit card for my local bank that I only used for
ATM functions, but I was nervous about it. When I
found they had a special card that could ONLY be used
for ATM functions, I immediately got that card instead.
Cashback for charging gasoline around here doesn't
work, because there's a fee for using a debit card and
they don't take credit cards. That fee wipes out much
of the cashback benefit, and is more trouble to use than
it's worth anyway. I'd have to enter my password
which would make me far too nervous. We frequently
hear around here about "skimmers" that will fit inside
the debit card slot, and steal your money.
Post by islander
On a different note, our downdraft for the range stopped working, so
instead of fixing it myself, I agreed to call in an appliance repairman.
He spent 8 hours trying to fix the problem and finally found that a
mouse had chewed through the wiring at the external fan. Fixed that,
but it still didn't work. He gave up, but agreed to only charge us $250
for the service call. OK, so this morning I figured that I would have
to see if I could fix it myself. Checked out the wiring and found that
everything was OK between the unit in the kitchen and the external fan.
Wired around the unit and determined that the wiring and the fan were
OK, so the problem had to be in the unit itself. So, today I contacted
Viking, the manufacturer, and "chatted" with a nice lady who assured
that she would have a qualified technician contact me. At that point I
was connected with a service that required a $5 fee and a $32 payment
for the initial consultation. Of course, I could sign up for
"expedited" service for a higher cost which I declined. So now, I am
locked out of the chat connection with the "nice lady" at Viking and the
page says that an appliance technician is "working on the problem."
Well, it is a holiday! So, I'll wait until tomorrow before I complain.
But, I really strongly object to being drawn into what is clearly a
marketing program. Grumble!!!
Too bad Ben Franklin isn't one of your neighbors! He could fix
it right up as long as you could put up with his aphorisms.
Well, I finally got connected with a technician and after dismantling
the whole thing with a lot of grunting and cussing, we boiled the
problem down to a PC board controller. Unfortunately, it is no longer
manufactured and I have not been able to find anyone who has a
replacement. The technician sent me a copy of the service manual which
may give me a clue as to how to find out what has failed on the PC board
so that I can replace a component. What a pain!

How would anyone without my technical skills cope with this? Chances of
finding a replacement unit that would fit in the same cavity are pretty
slim and costs are about $1K. I'm too damn cheap to pay that!
rumpelstiltskin
2018-01-18 01:21:00 UTC
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On a different note, our downdraft for the range stopped working, so
instead of fixing it myself, I agreed to call in an appliance repairman.
He spent 8 hours trying to fix the problem and finally found that a
mouse had chewed through the wiring at the external fan. Fixed that,
but it still didn't work. He gave up, but agreed to only charge us $250
for the service call. OK, so this morning I figured that I would have
to see if I could fix it myself. Checked out the wiring and found that
everything was OK between the unit in the kitchen and the external fan.
Wired around the unit and determined that the wiring and the fan were
OK, so the problem had to be in the unit itself. So, today I contacted
Viking, the manufacturer, and "chatted" with a nice lady who assured
that she would have a qualified technician contact me. At that point I
was connected with a service that required a $5 fee and a $32 payment
for the initial consultation. Of course, I could sign up for
"expedited" service for a higher cost which I declined. So now, I am
locked out of the chat connection with the "nice lady" at Viking and the
page says that an appliance technician is "working on the problem."
Well, it is a holiday! So, I'll wait until tomorrow before I complain.
But, I really strongly object to being drawn into what is clearly a
marketing program. Grumble!!!
Too bad Ben Franklin isn't one of your neighbors! He could fix
it right up as long as you could put up with his aphorisms.
Well, I finally got connected with a technician and after dismantling
the whole thing with a lot of grunting and cussing, we boiled the
problem down to a PC board controller. Unfortunately, it is no longer
manufactured and I have not been able to find anyone who has a
replacement. The technician sent me a copy of the service manual which
may give me a clue as to how to find out what has failed on the PC board
so that I can replace a component. What a pain!
How would anyone without my technical skills cope with this? Chances of
finding a replacement unit that would fit in the same cavity are pretty
slim and costs are about $1K. I'm too damn cheap to pay that!
It's the throw-away age. Everything changes so fast that
when something complicated fails, it's often impossible to
get a replacement part, and usually cheaper to just buy a
new thing instead of trying to repair the old thing.

My amplifier will no longer work with the computer. It's
only two years old but it's on its way out. I just played
some CD's but I have to play around with the amplifier to
get the CD setting to stay on. In the course of my
experimentation, it seems to me at the moment that if I
can get ANY setting to stay on, which is perhaps usually
the AM radio setting, then I can switch to CD and it will
stay on. I need a new amplifier, but it's hard to find
just an amplifier for a reasonable price these days.

Many things now are "bluetooth" but I don't have
anything else "bluetooth" and I'm not sure if I could
connect anything not "bluetooth" to a "bluetooth"
amplifier. Or the amplifier is built in with a "CD
Changer", and I'd almost rather have dinner with
Lucrezia Borgia than buy a CD changer, having had
one once which I hated.

Right now though, I need a heart valve operation
and I can work with the electronics I've got. One
infuriation at a time is as much as I can stand, which
is a tough position, in this age when infuriations
are more common than molecules. I also need to
get a cell phone to replace my AT&T phone. I don't
want a cell phone, but they're cheaper than regular
phones now, and I use the phone so little I don't
want to continue paying $40 a month to AT&T for it,
now that my "bundle" "deal" has run out. "Bundle"
and "for the first X months/years" are two other
things I want to avoid in future. It's really hard to
avoid sales-scam-nightmares these days: the whole
world seems to be moving in that direction.

The "for the first X months/years" is particularly
annoying - are people idiots? Or have their doctors
told them they only have X months/years to live?
If the latter, then that sales scam is worth taking
advantage of, but otherwise I'd rather get
something that I don't have to cancel and then
deal with more scam artists, to find a replacement
after the current come-on rate runs out.
islander
2018-01-18 14:38:25 UTC
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On a different note, our downdraft for the range stopped working, so
instead of fixing it myself, I agreed to call in an appliance repairman.
He spent 8 hours trying to fix the problem and finally found that a
mouse had chewed through the wiring at the external fan. Fixed that,
but it still didn't work. He gave up, but agreed to only charge us $250
for the service call. OK, so this morning I figured that I would have
to see if I could fix it myself. Checked out the wiring and found that
everything was OK between the unit in the kitchen and the external fan.
Wired around the unit and determined that the wiring and the fan were
OK, so the problem had to be in the unit itself. So, today I contacted
Viking, the manufacturer, and "chatted" with a nice lady who assured
that she would have a qualified technician contact me. At that point I
was connected with a service that required a $5 fee and a $32 payment
for the initial consultation. Of course, I could sign up for
"expedited" service for a higher cost which I declined. So now, I am
locked out of the chat connection with the "nice lady" at Viking and the
page says that an appliance technician is "working on the problem."
Well, it is a holiday! So, I'll wait until tomorrow before I complain.
But, I really strongly object to being drawn into what is clearly a
marketing program. Grumble!!!
Too bad Ben Franklin isn't one of your neighbors! He could fix
it right up as long as you could put up with his aphorisms.
Well, I finally got connected with a technician and after dismantling
the whole thing with a lot of grunting and cussing, we boiled the
problem down to a PC board controller. Unfortunately, it is no longer
manufactured and I have not been able to find anyone who has a
replacement. The technician sent me a copy of the service manual which
may give me a clue as to how to find out what has failed on the PC board
so that I can replace a component. What a pain!
How would anyone without my technical skills cope with this? Chances of
finding a replacement unit that would fit in the same cavity are pretty
slim and costs are about $1K. I'm too damn cheap to pay that!
It's the throw-away age. Everything changes so fast that
when something complicated fails, it's often impossible to
get a replacement part, and usually cheaper to just buy a
new thing instead of trying to repair the old thing.
My amplifier will no longer work with the computer. It's
only two years old but it's on its way out. I just played
some CD's but I have to play around with the amplifier to
get the CD setting to stay on. In the course of my
experimentation, it seems to me at the moment that if I
can get ANY setting to stay on, which is perhaps usually
the AM radio setting, then I can switch to CD and it will
stay on. I need a new amplifier, but it's hard to find
just an amplifier for a reasonable price these days.
Many things now are "bluetooth" but I don't have
anything else "bluetooth" and I'm not sure if I could
connect anything not "bluetooth" to a "bluetooth"
amplifier. Or the amplifier is built in with a "CD
Changer", and I'd almost rather have dinner with
Lucrezia Borgia than buy a CD changer, having had
one once which I hated.
Right now though, I need a heart valve operation
and I can work with the electronics I've got. One
infuriation at a time is as much as I can stand, which
is a tough position, in this age when infuriations
are more common than molecules. I also need to
get a cell phone to replace my AT&T phone. I don't
want a cell phone, but they're cheaper than regular
phones now, and I use the phone so little I don't
want to continue paying $40 a month to AT&T for it,
now that my "bundle" "deal" has run out. "Bundle"
and "for the first X months/years" are two other
things I want to avoid in future. It's really hard to
avoid sales-scam-nightmares these days: the whole
world seems to be moving in that direction.
The "for the first X months/years" is particularly
annoying - are people idiots? Or have their doctors
told them they only have X months/years to live?
If the latter, then that sales scam is worth taking
advantage of, but otherwise I'd rather get
something that I don't have to cancel and then
deal with more scam artists, to find a replacement
after the current come-on rate runs out.
I think that it is a good policy to deal with one infuriation at a time.
I suspect that infuriations multiply in their effect on stress level
and it is a good idea to keep stress as low as possible at our age.

We bit the bullet and got a cell phone. Pretty much had to if we wanted
to survive, especially on the mainland were pay phones have disappeared.
Of course remembering to recharge the damn thing is another infuriation!

So now, we can cancel our AT&T long distance service and just use the
cell phone for that. The next step is to cancel our CenturyLink land
line and replace it with a VOIP system that uses the Internet. Then we
can make long distance and local calls over our home phone, presumably
as easily as we do now, but for only a low monthly charge. Looking at
the comparisons for VOIP systems, I note that there was a big drop in
their ratings in 2015. I wonder why?
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Right now though, I need a heart valve operation
and I can work with the electronics I've got. One
infuriation at a time is as much as I can stand, which
is a tough position, in this age when infuriations
are more common than molecules. I also need to
get a cell phone to replace my AT&T phone. I don't
want a cell phone, but they're cheaper than regular
phones now, and I use the phone so little I don't
want to continue paying $40 a month to AT&T for it,
now that my "bundle" "deal" has run out. "Bundle"
and "for the first X months/years" are two other
things I want to avoid in future. It's really hard to
avoid sales-scam-nightmares these days: the whole
world seems to be moving in that direction.
The "for the first X months/years" is particularly
annoying - are people idiots? Or have their doctors
told them they only have X months/years to live?
If the latter, then that sales scam is worth taking
advantage of, but otherwise I'd rather get
something that I don't have to cancel and then
deal with more scam artists, to find a replacement
after the current come-on rate runs out.
I think that it is a good policy to deal with one infuriation at a time.
I suspect that infuriations multiply in their effect on stress level
and it is a good idea to keep stress as low as possible at our age.
We bit the bullet and got a cell phone. Pretty much had to if we wanted
to survive, especially on the mainland were pay phones have disappeared.
Of course remembering to recharge the damn thing is another infuriation!
Oh Yeah, I'd like one that I could just leave on the charger
and connected to my answering machine, because I'd only
want to carry a cell phone around with me if I were planning
on meeting up with somebody anyway. There is no such
thing though, as far as I know. Everybody's a zombie these
days. If you're not a zombie too, then boo-hoo for you.
Post by islander
So now, we can cancel our AT&T long distance service and just use the
cell phone for that. The next step is to cancel our CenturyLink land
line and replace it with a VOIP system that uses the Internet. Then we
can make long distance and local calls over our home phone, presumably
as easily as we do now, but for only a low monthly charge. Looking at
the comparisons for VOIP systems, I note that there was a big drop in
their ratings in 2015. I wonder why?
I like the idea of having a phone that's NOT connected to the
computer, so that if one of them goes down they don't both
go down at the same time. That's going out of fashion though.
I'm just going to have to learn to be more susceptible to hype,
I guess, so that when the Ruskies want to wipe out our
communications, they can do it with one snip then pick us of
like a line of moving ducks at an amusement park shooting
gallery. Hillary must have had something to do with this:
I know that because I read the posts on this newsgroup.
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I like the idea of having a phone that's NOT connected to the
computer, so that if one of them goes down they don't both
go down at the same time.
While you can install VOIP software on your computer, the systems that I
am looking at have a box that is independent of your computer. It
connects directly between the Internet and your home phone system.

It does still depend on the Internet being up, but our CenturyLink land
line is not only expensive, but increasingly unreliable. Further, when
we have a power failure, it is only kept working for 8 hours.

Basically, if we have the cell phone as a backup, we can improve the
probability that one or the other will be working when we need it.
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There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
Not necessarily.
"The Dark Side of Having Rich Parents in Silicon Valley"
"Silicon Valley is an area known for its entrepreneurial spirit and
its affluent population of business and tech leaders. However, it’s
lesser known that the area has one of the highest suicide rates among
teenagers and young adults in the country. In the city of Palo Alto,
the heart of Silicon Valley, the adolescent suicide rate has spiked to
five times the national average."
https://nextshark.com/children-of-affluent-parents-in-palo-alto-are-commiting-suicide-at-an-alarming-rate/
"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more
distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of
substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and
stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
I meant "good for me", not "good for the country". Inherited
wealth is not usually "good for the country". It produces a lot
of idle-rich Bertie Woosters, but without the charm. I offer
the Walmart kids as a particularly ugly example. Let me add
Christina Onassis too, I just thought of her, though I'm not
nearly as fond of Jacqueline Kennedy/Onassis as many people
seem to be, either. Nor of Queen Elizabeth - she's a decent
human being as royalty goes, much better than most, but the
institution is rotten and needs to be eliminated, which her
presence and the fact that she's not as bad as most is
interfering with. We could just ship the royal family to
America, since Americans misguidedly seem to like them.
That would take care of some of Britain's problems, but I
live in the USA and I already have to put up with the
ridiculously "top"-heavy American aristocratic structure,
without adding even more parasites to it.
Bill Gates once said that he intends to leave his two daughters
five million dollars each, and the rest will go into charity. That
sounds fair to me.
Sounds fair to me too, but that was Bill Gates decision -- which I
respect.
I agree. After all -- what does his daughters need with "power" ?
Back in the 1950s -- JFK's father once explained things to a reporter.
He said something like: "No man needs more that two million dollars
to enjoy a good life. Everything over two million is --- power !"
So -- with inflation -- I suppose the 1950s two million might now be
five or ten :-)
OK, but it should not be the role of government to seize Bill Gates
assets when he dies, and for what? Gates changed the modern world, and
has paid millions, probably billions, in taxes over the course of his
life. But, for some people, that isn't enough. Marx must be laughing
in his grave.
Bill Gates wouldn't have made anything if real people didn't
buy his stuff. Therefore "the people" have a rightful part in it.
"No man is an I(s)land,", as Donne wrote in Meditation 17.
https://web.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html
(that site botched the modern translation by changing "manor"
to "manner".)
"The annual labour of every nation is the fund which originally
supplies it with all the necessaries and conveniencies of life which
it annually consumes, and which consist always either in the immediate
produce of that labour, or in what is purchased with that produce from
other nations."
-- Adam Smith, "The Wealth of Nations": the very first sentence.
By one estimate Microsoft employee stock options made 12,000
millionaires and three billionaires -- probably much more for investor
and pension fund buyers of it's stock. Then there are countless
businesses around the world that run more efficiently because of his
software and operating system. The Internet? Your computer? And, what
do you suppose he has done with his billions -- he has invested in
numerous startups and given billions to charity.
"Bill Gates: Big Pharma and Startups are Key to Gains in Global
Health"
https://www.barrons.com/articles/bill-gates-big-pharma-and-startups-are-key-to-gains-in-global-health-1515443789
Ever hear of the CRISPR gene editing machine? Gates helped to finance
it.
"Bill Gates Says America's College Dropout Rate Is Tragic. This
Startup Aims to Fix It"
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/bill-gates-says-americas-college-dropout-rate-is-tragic-this-startup-aims-to-fix-it.html?cid=hmside2
"Bill Gates makes $100 million personal investment to fight
Alzheimer's"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-dementia-gates/bill-gates-makes-100-million-personal-investment-to-fight-alzheimers-idUSKBN1DD0S3
"Bill Gates and Richard Branson Back Startup That Grows ‘Clean Meat’"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-23/cargill-bill-gates-bet-on-startup-making-meat-without-slaughter
"Bill Gates and rich allies help fund an alt-biotech startup path for
the gene expression experts at Exicure"
https://endpts.com/bill-gates-and-rich-allies-help-fund-an-alt-biotech-startup-path-for-the-gene-expression-experts-at-exicure/
etc.
Until Win10, Microsoft paid little attention to computer security and I
fault Gates leadership for that. It was thought that the investment was
not worth the potential liability. That was a business decision, but
really stupid when you think about it.
I do credit Apple with an IOS and app control that is inherently more
secure -- and probably more profitable.
The allusion of security seems to be what Apple values. Microsoft's
products are notoriously bad, although Win10 seems to be better. A day
late and a dollar short, IMV. It would be interesting to know what
kinds of machines and operating systems the Russians hacked into in
2015-6. I suspect that they were mostly using Microsoft operating systems.
Interestingly, Hillary's server was running Linux and there is no
evidence that it was ever hacked. There were attempts, but none
successful as far as we know.
Microsoft's problem can be traced back to the MS-DOS days, and the
earliest versions of the OS which were aimed at hobbyists -- primitive
pre Jerusalem virus days. I took care of a network in Houston which I
visited now and then. I knew of the Jerusalem virus, but had never
actually seen it. I visited Houston, and there it was. Fortunately I
came prepared, and was able to deal with it. Anyhow, by the time
viruses and vulnerabilities became a problem, Microsoft was committed
to a registry and application installation/upgrade process that
required access to the guts of the OS. To produce an entirely
re-designed OS would mean that most existing software and drivers
wouldn't work. A hole that has taken Microsoft years to dig its way
out of -- and it is still digging.

IOS is better in that it sandboxes apps, restricting access to the
rest of the computer, doesn't allow users to roam around in the OS,
and unless the OS is deliberately hacked, all apps have to go through
the Apple store -- where the source code gets reviewed. If something
does slip through, Apple fixes or removes it remotely. The store is
profitable for Apple, which is fine with me.

Linux is equally ancient and is not virus proof. Hackers don't usually
devote the time and effort to hack or infect Linux PCs because there
isn't that much around -- although in the case of Hillary's phone or
PC, I'm sure an exception might be made. Android is Linux related,
isn't virus proof, and is infested.

As for Hillary, Wikileaks had thousands of her emails. It seems likely
that the Russians were reading her email before she was.

Telegraph, May 2016 ...
"Jailed cyber-hacker has revealed how he allegedly accessed hidden
messages on Hillary Clinton's private phone. Marcel Lehel Lazar, a
hacker from Romania who also goes by the name of "Guccifer" said he
easily and repeatedly gained access to Clinton's server while she was
serving as secretary of state, in 2013. "It was like an open orchid on
the internet," said Lazar, according to NBC News."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/05/05/hacker-reveals-how-he-read-hillary-clintons-emails/
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There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
Not necessarily.
"The Dark Side of Having Rich Parents in Silicon Valley"
"Silicon Valley is an area known for its entrepreneurial spirit and
its affluent population of business and tech leaders. However, it’s
lesser known that the area has one of the highest suicide rates among
teenagers and young adults in the country. In the city of Palo Alto,
the heart of Silicon Valley, the adolescent suicide rate has spiked to
five times the national average."
https://nextshark.com/children-of-affluent-parents-in-palo-alto-are-commiting-suicide-at-an-alarming-rate/
"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more
distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of
substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and
stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
I meant "good for me", not "good for the country". Inherited
wealth is not usually "good for the country". It produces a lot
of idle-rich Bertie Woosters, but without the charm. I offer
the Walmart kids as a particularly ugly example. Let me add
Christina Onassis too, I just thought of her, though I'm not
nearly as fond of Jacqueline Kennedy/Onassis as many people
seem to be, either. Nor of Queen Elizabeth - she's a decent
human being as royalty goes, much better than most, but the
institution is rotten and needs to be eliminated, which her
presence and the fact that she's not as bad as most is
interfering with. We could just ship the royal family to
America, since Americans misguidedly seem to like them.
That would take care of some of Britain's problems, but I
live in the USA and I already have to put up with the
ridiculously "top"-heavy American aristocratic structure,
without adding even more parasites to it.
Bill Gates once said that he intends to leave his two daughters
five million dollars each, and the rest will go into charity. That
sounds fair to me.
Sounds fair to me too, but that was Bill Gates decision -- which I
respect.
I agree. After all -- what does his daughters need with "power" ?
Back in the 1950s -- JFK's father once explained things to a reporter.
He said something like: "No man needs more that two million dollars
to enjoy a good life. Everything over two million is --- power !"
So -- with inflation -- I suppose the 1950s two million might now be
five or ten :-)
OK, but it should not be the role of government to seize Bill Gates
assets when he dies, and for what? Gates changed the modern world, and
has paid millions, probably billions, in taxes over the course of his
life. But, for some people, that isn't enough. Marx must be laughing
in his grave.
Bill Gates wouldn't have made anything if real people didn't
buy his stuff. Therefore "the people" have a rightful part in it.
"No man is an I(s)land,", as Donne wrote in Meditation 17.
https://web.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html
(that site botched the modern translation by changing "manor"
to "manner".)
"The annual labour of every nation is the fund which originally
supplies it with all the necessaries and conveniencies of life which
it annually consumes, and which consist always either in the immediate
produce of that labour, or in what is purchased with that produce from
other nations."
-- Adam Smith, "The Wealth of Nations": the very first sentence.
By one estimate Microsoft employee stock options made 12,000
millionaires and three billionaires -- probably much more for investor
and pension fund buyers of it's stock. Then there are countless
businesses around the world that run more efficiently because of his
software and operating system. The Internet? Your computer? And, what
do you suppose he has done with his billions -- he has invested in
numerous startups and given billions to charity.
"Bill Gates: Big Pharma and Startups are Key to Gains in Global
Health"
https://www.barrons.com/articles/bill-gates-big-pharma-and-startups-are-key-to-gains-in-global-health-1515443789
Ever hear of the CRISPR gene editing machine? Gates helped to finance
it.
"Bill Gates Says America's College Dropout Rate Is Tragic. This
Startup Aims to Fix It"
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/bill-gates-says-americas-college-dropout-rate-is-tragic-this-startup-aims-to-fix-it.html?cid=hmside2
"Bill Gates makes $100 million personal investment to fight
Alzheimer's"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-dementia-gates/bill-gates-makes-100-million-personal-investment-to-fight-alzheimers-idUSKBN1DD0S3
"Bill Gates and Richard Branson Back Startup That Grows ‘Clean Meat’"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-23/cargill-bill-gates-bet-on-startup-making-meat-without-slaughter
"Bill Gates and rich allies help fund an alt-biotech startup path for
the gene expression experts at Exicure"
https://endpts.com/bill-gates-and-rich-allies-help-fund-an-alt-biotech-startup-path-for-the-gene-expression-experts-at-exicure/
etc.
Until Win10, Microsoft paid little attention to computer security and I
fault Gates leadership for that. It was thought that the investment was
not worth the potential liability. That was a business decision, but
really stupid when you think about it.
I do credit Apple with an IOS and app control that is inherently more
secure -- and probably more profitable.
The allusion of security seems to be what Apple values. Microsoft's
products are notoriously bad, although Win10 seems to be better. A day
late and a dollar short, IMV. It would be interesting to know what
kinds of machines and operating systems the Russians hacked into in
2015-6. I suspect that they were mostly using Microsoft operating systems.
Interestingly, Hillary's server was running Linux and there is no
evidence that it was ever hacked. There were attempts, but none
successful as far as we know.
Microsoft's problem can be traced back to the MS-DOS days, and the
earliest versions of the OS which were aimed at hobbyists -- primitive
pre Jerusalem virus days. I took care of a network in Houston which I
visited now and then. I knew of the Jerusalem virus, but had never
actually seen it. I visited Houston, and there it was. Fortunately I
came prepared, and was able to deal with it. Anyhow, by the time
viruses and vulnerabilities became a problem, Microsoft was committed
to a registry and application installation/upgrade process that
required access to the guts of the OS. To produce an entirely
re-designed OS would mean that most existing software and drivers
wouldn't work. A hole that has taken Microsoft years to dig its way
out of -- and it is still digging.
IOS is better in that it sandboxes apps, restricting access to the
rest of the computer, doesn't allow users to roam around in the OS,
and unless the OS is deliberately hacked, all apps have to go through
the Apple store -- where the source code gets reviewed. If something
does slip through, Apple fixes or removes it remotely. The store is
profitable for Apple, which is fine with me.
Linux is equally ancient and is not virus proof. Hackers don't usually
devote the time and effort to hack or infect Linux PCs because there
isn't that much around -- although in the case of Hillary's phone or
PC, I'm sure an exception might be made. Android is Linux related,
isn't virus proof, and is infested.
As for Hillary, Wikileaks had thousands of her emails. It seems likely
that the Russians were reading her email before she was.
Telegraph, May 2016 ...
"Jailed cyber-hacker has revealed how he allegedly accessed hidden
messages on Hillary Clinton's private phone. Marcel Lehel Lazar, a
hacker from Romania who also goes by the name of "Guccifer" said he
easily and repeatedly gained access to Clinton's server while she was
serving as secretary of state, in 2013. "It was like an open orchid on
the internet," said Lazar, according to NBC News."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/05/05/hacker-reveals-how-he-read-hillary-clintons-emails/
The FBI concluded that Lazar was lying. Otherwise, we know that there
were attempts to hack into her server, but all known attacks were
thwarted. To date, no evidence of a successful attack has been produced
despite the attempts on the part of the Trump campaign to obtain her
emails. We may never know for sure, but it seems to me that by now some
definitive proof would have surfaced.

Frankly, I'm not sure that the State Department servers were more
secure. I simply don't know. Podesta's use of gmail was definitely not
secure.

Communication security involves much more than the security of a server,
however. You really need end-to-end security including the devices and
software that your correspondents use. That is still not the case for
most government (and private sector) communication systems. I've been
following the work of Susan Landau <https://privacyink.org/> for some
time now and respect her knowledge. She points out that the biggest
vulnerability in your portable device or phone is in the market for apps
which have notoriously bad security. She offers evidence that security
weaknesses in apps are mostly ignored, even tho they become well known.
Security is simply not a priority for app developers. If Apple is doing
a good job of enforcing security on apps in their store, good for them,
but color me skeptical.
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There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
Not necessarily.
"The Dark Side of Having Rich Parents in Silicon Valley"
"Silicon Valley is an area known for its entrepreneurial spirit and
its affluent population of business and tech leaders. However, it’s
lesser known that the area has one of the highest suicide rates among
teenagers and young adults in the country. In the city of Palo Alto,
the heart of Silicon Valley, the adolescent suicide rate has spiked to
five times the national average."
https://nextshark.com/children-of-affluent-parents-in-palo-alto-are-commiting-suicide-at-an-alarming-rate/
"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more
distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of
substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and
stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
I meant "good for me", not "good for the country". Inherited
wealth is not usually "good for the country". It produces a lot
of idle-rich Bertie Woosters, but without the charm. I offer
the Walmart kids as a particularly ugly example. Let me add
Christina Onassis too, I just thought of her, though I'm not
nearly as fond of Jacqueline Kennedy/Onassis as many people
seem to be, either. Nor of Queen Elizabeth - she's a decent
human being as royalty goes, much better than most, but the
institution is rotten and needs to be eliminated, which her
presence and the fact that she's not as bad as most is
interfering with. We could just ship the royal family to
America, since Americans misguidedly seem to like them.
That would take care of some of Britain's problems, but I
live in the USA and I already have to put up with the
ridiculously "top"-heavy American aristocratic structure,
without adding even more parasites to it.
Bill Gates once said that he intends to leave his two daughters
five million dollars each, and the rest will go into charity. That
sounds fair to me.
Sounds fair to me too, but that was Bill Gates decision -- which I
respect.
I agree. After all -- what does his daughters need with "power" ?
Back in the 1950s -- JFK's father once explained things to a reporter.
He said something like: "No man needs more that two million dollars
to enjoy a good life. Everything over two million is --- power !"
So -- with inflation -- I suppose the 1950s two million might now be
five or ten :-)
OK, but it should not be the role of government to seize Bill Gates
assets when he dies, and for what? Gates changed the modern world, and
has paid millions, probably billions, in taxes over the course of his
life. But, for some people, that isn't enough. Marx must be laughing
in his grave.
Bill Gates wouldn't have made anything if real people didn't
buy his stuff. Therefore "the people" have a rightful part in it.
"No man is an I(s)land,", as Donne wrote in Meditation 17.
https://web.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html
(that site botched the modern translation by changing "manor"
to "manner".)
"The annual labour of every nation is the fund which originally
supplies it with all the necessaries and conveniencies of life which
it annually consumes, and which consist always either in the immediate
produce of that labour, or in what is purchased with that produce from
other nations."
-- Adam Smith, "The Wealth of Nations": the very first sentence.
By one estimate Microsoft employee stock options made 12,000
millionaires and three billionaires -- probably much more for investor
and pension fund buyers of it's stock. Then there are countless
businesses around the world that run more efficiently because of his
software and operating system. The Internet? Your computer? And, what
do you suppose he has done with his billions -- he has invested in
numerous startups and given billions to charity.
"Bill Gates: Big Pharma and Startups are Key to Gains in Global
Health"
https://www.barrons.com/articles/bill-gates-big-pharma-and-startups-are-key-to-gains-in-global-health-1515443789
Ever hear of the CRISPR gene editing machine? Gates helped to finance
it.
"Bill Gates Says America's College Dropout Rate Is Tragic. This
Startup Aims to Fix It"
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/bill-gates-says-americas-college-dropout-rate-is-tragic-this-startup-aims-to-fix-it.html?cid=hmside2
"Bill Gates makes $100 million personal investment to fight
Alzheimer's"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-dementia-gates/bill-gates-makes-100-million-personal-investment-to-fight-alzheimers-idUSKBN1DD0S3
"Bill Gates and Richard Branson Back Startup That Grows ‘Clean Meat’"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-23/cargill-bill-gates-bet-on-startup-making-meat-without-slaughter
"Bill Gates and rich allies help fund an alt-biotech startup path for
the gene expression experts at Exicure"
https://endpts.com/bill-gates-and-rich-allies-help-fund-an-alt-biotech-startup-path-for-the-gene-expression-experts-at-exicure/
etc.
Until Win10, Microsoft paid little attention to computer security and I
fault Gates leadership for that. It was thought that the investment was
not worth the potential liability. That was a business decision, but
really stupid when you think about it.
I do credit Apple with an IOS and app control that is inherently more
secure -- and probably more profitable.
The allusion of security seems to be what Apple values. Microsoft's
products are notoriously bad, although Win10 seems to be better. A day
late and a dollar short, IMV. It would be interesting to know what
kinds of machines and operating systems the Russians hacked into in
2015-6. I suspect that they were mostly using Microsoft operating systems.
Interestingly, Hillary's server was running Linux and there is no
evidence that it was ever hacked. There were attempts, but none
successful as far as we know.
Microsoft's problem can be traced back to the MS-DOS days, and the
earliest versions of the OS which were aimed at hobbyists -- primitive
pre Jerusalem virus days. I took care of a network in Houston which I
visited now and then. I knew of the Jerusalem virus, but had never
actually seen it. I visited Houston, and there it was. Fortunately I
came prepared, and was able to deal with it. Anyhow, by the time
viruses and vulnerabilities became a problem, Microsoft was committed
to a registry and application installation/upgrade process that
required access to the guts of the OS. To produce an entirely
re-designed OS would mean that most existing software and drivers
wouldn't work. A hole that has taken Microsoft years to dig its way
out of -- and it is still digging.
IOS is better in that it sandboxes apps, restricting access to the
rest of the computer, doesn't allow users to roam around in the OS,
and unless the OS is deliberately hacked, all apps have to go through
the Apple store -- where the source code gets reviewed. If something
does slip through, Apple fixes or removes it remotely. The store is
profitable for Apple, which is fine with me.
Linux is equally ancient and is not virus proof. Hackers don't usually
devote the time and effort to hack or infect Linux PCs because there
isn't that much around -- although in the case of Hillary's phone or
PC, I'm sure an exception might be made. Android is Linux related,
isn't virus proof, and is infested.
As for Hillary, Wikileaks had thousands of her emails. It seems likely
that the Russians were reading her email before she was.
Telegraph, May 2016 ...
"Jailed cyber-hacker has revealed how he allegedly accessed hidden
messages on Hillary Clinton's private phone. Marcel Lehel Lazar, a
hacker from Romania who also goes by the name of "Guccifer" said he
easily and repeatedly gained access to Clinton's server while she was
serving as secretary of state, in 2013. "It was like an open orchid on
the internet," said Lazar, according to NBC News."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/05/05/hacker-reveals-how-he-read-hillary-clintons-emails/
The FBI concluded that Lazar was lying. Otherwise, we know that there
were attempts to hack into her server, but all known attacks were
thwarted. To date, no evidence of a successful attack has been produced
despite the attempts on the part of the Trump campaign to obtain her
emails. We may never know for sure, but it seems to me that by now some
definitive proof would have surfaced.
Frankly, I'm not sure that the State Department servers were more
secure. I simply don't know. Podesta's use of gmail was definitely not
secure.
Communication security involves much more than the security of a server,
however. You really need end-to-end security including the devices and
software that your correspondents use. That is still not the case for
most government (and private sector) communication systems. I've been
following the work of Susan Landau <https://privacyink.org/> for some
time now and respect her knowledge. She points out that the biggest
vulnerability in your portable device or phone is in the market for apps
which have notoriously bad security. She offers evidence that security
weaknesses in apps are mostly ignored, even tho they become well known.
Security is simply not a priority for app developers. If Apple is doing
a good job of enforcing security on apps in their store, good for them,
but color me skeptical.
Neither is perfect, but ...
Not only does Apple do a better (if not perfect) job of vetting apps,
when a problem is discovered, Apple act quickly to fix it. Android is
basically open source, gets modified by various phone manufacturers,
and when a problem is discovered and fixed, some manufacturers are
very slow in getting the fix out to customers.

"Android vs iOS security: Which is better?
While all mobile devices have inherent security risks, Android has
more vulnerabilities because of its inherent open-source nature, the
slow pace with which users update the OS and a lack of proper app
vetting."
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3213388/mobile-wireless/android-vs-ios-security-which-is-better.html

"We wondered how the iOS/Android security question plays out in the
real world and dialed up an expert to find out. There are several
reasons why iPhones are more secure than the various phones running
Android software, according to Mike Johnson, who runs the security
technologies graduate program at the University of Minnesota. Johnson
has used both Android and iOS devices, but he has an iPhone because of
its security edge."
https://www.barrons.com/articles/android-vs-ios-are-iphones-really-safer-1496254475
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There is more to life than being rich.
Being rich, especially "born rich", would be a really
good start though.
Not necessarily.
"The Dark Side of Having Rich Parents in Silicon Valley"
"Silicon Valley is an area known for its entrepreneurial spirit and
its affluent population of business and tech leaders. However, it’s
lesser known that the area has one of the highest suicide rates among
teenagers and young adults in the country. In the city of Palo Alto,
the heart of Silicon Valley, the adolescent suicide rate has spiked to
five times the national average."
https://nextshark.com/children-of-affluent-parents-in-palo-alto-are-commiting-suicide-at-an-alarming-rate/
"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more
distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of
substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and
stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201311/the-problem-rich-kids
I meant "good for me", not "good for the country". Inherited
wealth is not usually "good for the country". It produces a lot
of idle-rich Bertie Woosters, but without the charm. I offer
the Walmart kids as a particularly ugly example. Let me add
Christina Onassis too, I just thought of her, though I'm not
nearly as fond of Jacqueline Kennedy/Onassis as many people
seem to be, either. Nor of Queen Elizabeth - she's a decent
human being as royalty goes, much better than most, but the
institution is rotten and needs to be eliminated, which her
presence and the fact that she's not as bad as most is
interfering with. We could just ship the royal family to
America, since Americans misguidedly seem to like them.
That would take care of some of Britain's problems, but I
live in the USA and I already have to put up with the
ridiculously "top"-heavy American aristocratic structure,
without adding even more parasites to it.
Bill Gates once said that he intends to leave his two daughters
five million dollars each, and the rest will go into charity. That
sounds fair to me.
Sounds fair to me too, but that was Bill Gates decision -- which I
respect.
I agree. After all -- what does his daughters need with "power" ?
Back in the 1950s -- JFK's father once explained things to a reporter.
He said something like: "No man needs more that two million dollars
to enjoy a good life. Everything over two million is --- power !"
So -- with inflation -- I suppose the 1950s two million might now be
five or ten :-)
OK, but it should not be the role of government to seize Bill Gates
assets when he dies, and for what? Gates changed the modern world, and
has paid millions, probably billions, in taxes over the course of his
life. But, for some people, that isn't enough. Marx must be laughing
in his grave.
Bill Gates wouldn't have made anything if real people didn't
buy his stuff. Therefore "the people" have a rightful part in it.
"No man is an I(s)land,", as Donne wrote in Meditation 17.
https://web.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/island.html
(that site botched the modern translation by changing "manor"
to "manner".)
"The annual labour of every nation is the fund which originally
supplies it with all the necessaries and conveniencies of life which
it annually consumes, and which consist always either in the immediate
produce of that labour, or in what is purchased with that produce from
other nations."
-- Adam Smith, "The Wealth of Nations": the very first sentence.
By one estimate Microsoft employee stock options made 12,000
millionaires and three billionaires -- probably much more for investor
and pension fund buyers of it's stock. Then there are countless
businesses around the world that run more efficiently because of his
software and operating system. The Internet? Your computer? And, what
do you suppose he has done with his billions -- he has invested in
numerous startups and given billions to charity.
"Bill Gates: Big Pharma and Startups are Key to Gains in Global
Health"
https://www.barrons.com/articles/bill-gates-big-pharma-and-startups-are-key-to-gains-in-global-health-1515443789
Ever hear of the CRISPR gene editing machine? Gates helped to finance
it.
"Bill Gates Says America's College Dropout Rate Is Tragic. This
Startup Aims to Fix It"
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/bill-gates-says-americas-college-dropout-rate-is-tragic-this-startup-aims-to-fix-it.html?cid=hmside2
"Bill Gates makes $100 million personal investment to fight
Alzheimer's"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-dementia-gates/bill-gates-makes-100-million-personal-investment-to-fight-alzheimers-idUSKBN1DD0S3
"Bill Gates and Richard Branson Back Startup That Grows ‘Clean Meat’"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-23/cargill-bill-gates-bet-on-startup-making-meat-without-slaughter
"Bill Gates and rich allies help fund an alt-biotech startup path for
the gene expression experts at Exicure"
https://endpts.com/bill-gates-and-rich-allies-help-fund-an-alt-biotech-startup-path-for-the-gene-expression-experts-at-exicure/
etc.
Until Win10, Microsoft paid little attention to computer security and I
fault Gates leadership for that. It was thought that the investment was
not worth the potential liability. That was a business decision, but
really stupid when you think about it.
I do credit Apple with an IOS and app control that is inherently more
secure -- and probably more profitable.
The allusion of security seems to be what Apple values. Microsoft's
products are notoriously bad, although Win10 seems to be better. A day
late and a dollar short, IMV. It would be interesting to know what
kinds of machines and operating systems the Russians hacked into in
2015-6. I suspect that they were mostly using Microsoft operating systems.
Interestingly, Hillary's server was running Linux and there is no
evidence that it was ever hacked. There were attempts, but none
successful as far as we know.
Microsoft's problem can be traced back to the MS-DOS days, and the
earliest versions of the OS which were aimed at hobbyists -- primitive
pre Jerusalem virus days. I took care of a network in Houston which I
visited now and then. I knew of the Jerusalem virus, but had never
actually seen it. I visited Houston, and there it was. Fortunately I
came prepared, and was able to deal with it. Anyhow, by the time
viruses and vulnerabilities became a problem, Microsoft was committed
to a registry and application installation/upgrade process that
required access to the guts of the OS. To produce an entirely
re-designed OS would mean that most existing software and drivers
wouldn't work. A hole that has taken Microsoft years to dig its way
out of -- and it is still digging.
IOS is better in that it sandboxes apps, restricting access to the
rest of the computer, doesn't allow users to roam around in the OS,
and unless the OS is deliberately hacked, all apps have to go through
the Apple store -- where the source code gets reviewed. If something
does slip through, Apple fixes or removes it remotely. The store is
profitable for Apple, which is fine with me.
Linux is equally ancient and is not virus proof. Hackers don't usually
devote the time and effort to hack or infect Linux PCs because there
isn't that much around -- although in the case of Hillary's phone or
PC, I'm sure an exception might be made. Android is Linux related,
isn't virus proof, and is infested.
As for Hillary, Wikileaks had thousands of her emails. It seems likely
that the Russians were reading her email before she was.
Telegraph, May 2016 ...
"Jailed cyber-hacker has revealed how he allegedly accessed hidden
messages on Hillary Clinton's private phone. Marcel Lehel Lazar, a
hacker from Romania who also goes by the name of "Guccifer" said he
easily and repeatedly gained access to Clinton's server while she was
serving as secretary of state, in 2013. "It was like an open orchid on
the internet," said Lazar, according to NBC News."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/05/05/hacker-reveals-how-he-read-hillary-clintons-emails/
The FBI concluded that Lazar was lying. Otherwise, we know that there
were attempts to hack into her server, but all known attacks were
thwarted. To date, no evidence of a successful attack has been produced
despite the attempts on the part of the Trump campaign to obtain her
emails. We may never know for sure, but it seems to me that by now some
definitive proof would have surfaced.
Frankly, I'm not sure that the State Department servers were more
secure. I simply don't know. Podesta's use of gmail was definitely not
secure.
Communication security involves much more than the security of a server,
however. You really need end-to-end security including the devices and
software that your correspondents use. That is still not the case for
most government (and private sector) communication systems. I've been
following the work of Susan Landau <https://privacyink.org/> for some
time now and respect her knowledge. She points out that the biggest
vulnerability in your portable device or phone is in the market for apps
which have notoriously bad security. She offers evidence that security
weaknesses in apps are mostly ignored, even tho they become well known.
Security is simply not a priority for app developers. If Apple is doing
a good job of enforcing security on apps in their store, good for them,
but color me skeptical.
Neither is perfect, but ...
Not only does Apple do a better (if not perfect) job of vetting apps,
when a problem is discovered, Apple act quickly to fix it. Android is
basically open source, gets modified by various phone manufacturers,
and when a problem is discovered and fixed, some manufacturers are
very slow in getting the fix out to customers.
"Android vs iOS security: Which is better?
While all mobile devices have inherent security risks, Android has
more vulnerabilities because of its inherent open-source nature, the
slow pace with which users update the OS and a lack of proper app
vetting."
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3213388/mobile-wireless/android-vs-ios-security-which-is-better.html
"We wondered how the iOS/Android security question plays out in the
real world and dialed up an expert to find out. There are several
reasons why iPhones are more secure than the various phones running
Android software, according to Mike Johnson, who runs the security
technologies graduate program at the University of Minnesota. Johnson
has used both Android and iOS devices, but he has an iPhone because of
its security edge."
https://www.barrons.com/articles/android-vs-ios-are-iphones-really-safer-1496254475
Both articles are about *relative* security. No system is completely
secure and that is only a function of how much one is willing to invest
to break them. The Russians are evidently making a serious investment.
Otherwise, the weakest link is *always* the user of the device.
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