Post by Gary Post by mg Post by Gary Post by mg Post by rumpelstiltskin
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Yes, there's no doubt that religion is, and can be, and has
been, a terribly destructive force. A civilization of
Sunnis, might be stable, as with Saudi Arabia. Or, a
civilization of Shiites might be stable, as with Iran, for
example, but that doesn't mean that they don't kill and/or
torture their own citizens and it doesn't mean that Iran
might not wind up destroying Saudi Arabia, or that they
might not wind up destroying each other.
The American civil war, incidentally, was a terrible war
between two stable societies that wasn't, I don't think
based on religion. Rather, I would characterize it as two
civilizations (the North and the South) that had ideological
One might argue that slavery versus no-slavery is
a "religious" difference, though of course slavery was
not what the Civil War was really about.
I remember doing about 20 minutes of research about 10 years
ago on the cause(s) of the civil war. When we were kids, we
were taught that the war was about slavery. Then a decade,
or two later, as I recall, it apparently became more
stylish, or sophisticated, to say that the war was really
fought for economic reasons. Then a decade, or two, after
that the historians apparently flip-flopped again, and the
consensus once again was apparently that the primary cause
of the war was indeed, slavery.
I'm not an expert on the subject, though, and I've never had
a lot of interest in history, so I'm willing to listen to
arguments on either side.
On a similar subject, btw, I have become convinced, in my
old age, that the Civil War was a big mistake and that the
South should have been allowed to secede from the union.
I would agree .... but on one condition. Slaves were worth about $1,000 each.
I think it only right to leave all colored folks in the Union when the South
left. That way, the Yankees could marry them, send them to Congress and name
holidays for them.
I've always thought that intermarriage was the best solution
to the problem.
That would do it. If such a marriage was universally accepted. I believe that
is what happened in Brazil. They abolished slavery in the 1890s. And they
began to marry the former slaves. I doubt they have any racial problems.
Indicators White Brazilian Black & Multiracial Brazilian
Illiteracy 5.9% 13.3%
University degree 15.0% 4.7%
Life expectancy 73.13 67.03
Unemployment 5.7% 7.1%
GDP per capita R$ 22,699 R$ 15,068
Homicide deaths 29% 65.5%
In Denial Over Racism in Brazil
SÃO PAULO, Brazil — One Friday night last month, the electricity was off in the streets of Palmeirinha, a favela in Rio de Janeiro. Three black teenagers were joking around in front of their houses. One of them started to run and the others followed, laughing. At that moment, the police came out shooting. Chauan Jambre Cezário, 19 years old, was seriously wounded. Alan de Souza Lima, 15 years old, died on the site with a cellphone in his hands — he had caught everything on video, including his own last agonizing minutes.
According to an official report released the next day, the boys were shot after a confrontation with the police. Officers allegedly found two guns at the scene and charged Mr. Cezário with resisting arrest. The boy, who sells iced tea on Ipanema Beach, was carried to the emergency room and handcuffed to the hospital bed.
Days later, the nine-minute cellphone video went public. Images clearly show that the teenagers didn’t have any guns on them and that there was neither confrontation nor resistance. Seconds after the shooting, a policeman asked why they had been running, to which a bleeding Mr. Cezário answered: “We were just playing around, sir.”
The charges have been dropped, but his experience, and the death of his younger friend, reflect a history of violence against young black men in Brazil. ....
The Racism In Brazil Is A Big Problem
Racism In Brazil
The racism in Brazil.
It’s a huge problem in Brazil and I’ve seen it first-hand. So when I see Brazilians speak about racism in America, I hold back laughter because in my opinion:
The racism in Brazil is worse than racism in America.
I’m saying it and I don’t care who disagrees with me. A big reason racism in America isn’t as bad as Brazil is because of economic development.
For many Black Americans, there are realistic opportunities to reach a middle-class lifestyle despite where you start. There are thousands of Black Americans traveling to Brazil each year for vacation. How many Black Brazilians have you met visiting America on vacation?
Probably not many. I’ve met my fair share of White Brazilians though.
So, I’m tired of Brazilians denying the racism in Brazil.
While staying in a hostel in São Paulo one year, a White Brazilian woman tried to convince me Brazil didn’t have a racism problem like America.
She said that because she can call Black Brazilian men “negão”, it shows how connected and equal all Brazilians are. The democracia racial is proven because white women can call Afro-Brazilian men “big black man.”
Sure, that is true equality.
Let’s look at some of these statistics of equality shall we.
Forensic Experts Scour UPP Crime Scene In Rio De Janeiro
Among college graduates, White Brazilians outearn black Brazilians by 47%.
Homicides rate have dropped for white Brazilians by 24% in the last decade. In the black population, the rate has increased by 40 percent.
Afro-Brazilians account for over 50% of favela residents in Rio de Janeiro.
Anybody remember seeing any black faces in the stands during the 2014 World Cup?
Despite being over 50% of Brazil’s population, Brazilians of African descent only account for 16% of the top richest 1%.
Black Brazilians aged 12-18 years old are 3x as likely to be murdered as White Brazilians in the same age range.
They are also more likely to be victims of police killings; a study by the University of São Carlos showed that 58 percent of all people killed in the state of São Paulo by the military police were black. They make up 62 percent of all people incarcerated nationwide.
“When you see a police patrol car, your heart freezes,” Luiz Roberto Lima, a black photographer from Rio de Janeiro who lived on the streets as a teenager, told me. “They could kill you because you were at the street or because you were standing up for your rights, and they could also kill you for pleasure. Even if you don’t have a criminal record, they may trump up something against you.”(Source)
Black Brazilians are being murdered intentionally.
People like to call the racism in Brazil covert, unlike America’s overt racism. But these statistics are pretty blatant to me.
On Dia da Consciência Negra, a day when Black Brazilians bring awareness to Black issues in Brazil, my Brown Brazilian friend on Facebook wrote a comment about why we don’t need a day for Black awareness. ....