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Where is Jerry Brown when you need him? Riding his high-speed train?
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Sanctuary
2017-12-05 20:20:59 UTC
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Why isn't Jerry on his way to help put the fires out?

Doesn't he support the people who put him in office?
d***@gmail.com
2017-12-05 22:03:52 UTC
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Uh oh. More fires? Where are they?

Eugene FitzAubrey
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2017-12-05 23:48:52 UTC
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Uh oh. More fires? Where are they?
Eugene FitzAubrey
Ventura county between LA and Santa Barbara. The rains that ended the
drought also produced rapid brush growth which burns rapidly when fanned
by the Santa Anna winds. Still reporting totally out of control as I
write this.
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2017-12-06 03:05:36 UTC
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Uh oh. More fires? Where are they?
Eugene FitzAubrey
Ventura county between LA and Santa Barbara. The rains that ended the
drought also produced rapid brush growth which burns rapidly when fanned
by the Santa Anna winds. Still reporting totally out of control as I
write this.
I just sent an email to my son about the Ventura fires.
Global warming? Scoff scoff scoff. Don't trouble your little
heads about it kids, just do what the government tells you.

First much of the North Bay burned up early this summer
and now much of Ventura County is burning up too. We
live in interesting times.
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2017-12-06 16:03:54 UTC
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Uh oh. More fires? Where are they?
Eugene FitzAubrey
Ventura county between LA and Santa Barbara. The rains that ended the
drought also produced rapid brush growth which burns rapidly when fanned
by the Santa Anna winds. Still reporting totally out of control as I
write this.
I just sent an email to my son about the Ventura fires.
Global warming? Scoff scoff scoff. Don't trouble your little
heads about it kids, just do what the government tells you.
First much of the North Bay burned up early this summer
and now much of Ventura County is burning up too. We
live in interesting times.
I don't know if this fire can be blamed on global warming. More likely
the spread of population into the region north of LA. Couple that with
the natural tendency of brush growth after rains, the Santa Anna winds,
and generally poor attention to clearing around houses produced a recipe
for fire danger. Did global warming make it worse? Possibly in the
form of extremes of weather patterns, but that would be difficult to prove.
El Castor
2017-12-06 17:04:43 UTC
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Uh oh. More fires? Where are they?
Eugene FitzAubrey
Ventura county between LA and Santa Barbara. The rains that ended the
drought also produced rapid brush growth which burns rapidly when fanned
by the Santa Anna winds. Still reporting totally out of control as I
write this.
I just sent an email to my son about the Ventura fires.
Global warming? Scoff scoff scoff. Don't trouble your little
heads about it kids, just do what the government tells you.
First much of the North Bay burned up early this summer
and now much of Ventura County is burning up too. We
live in interesting times.
I don't know if this fire can be blamed on global warming. More likely
the spread of population into the region north of LA. Couple that with
the natural tendency of brush growth after rains, the Santa Anna winds,
and generally poor attention to clearing around houses produced a recipe
for fire danger. Did global warming make it worse? Possibly in the
form of extremes of weather patterns, but that would be difficult to prove.
Oops! I could have written that paragraph myself. (-8

We have a similar brush situation in this area. In some areas the road
right of way is unusually wide, leaving fairly large areas overgrown.
Homeowners are legally responsible for cleaning up the area, in some
cases a quarter acre, between their property and a road, but getting
them to do it is problematic.
d***@gmail.com
2017-12-06 17:50:00 UTC
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I watched the ABC News coverage of the fires; there are four. At 60 mph,the Santana Wind grounded helicopters and air tankers. One reporter in Los Angeles showed one of the fires burning with the Getty Center in the background. Wife and I visited there before we left the state. Vaya con Dios.

Eugene FitzAubrey
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2017-12-06 23:57:47 UTC
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Uh oh. More fires? Where are they?
Eugene FitzAubrey
Ventura county between LA and Santa Barbara. The rains that ended the
drought also produced rapid brush growth which burns rapidly when fanned
by the Santa Anna winds. Still reporting totally out of control as I
write this.
I just sent an email to my son about the Ventura fires.
Global warming? Scoff scoff scoff. Don't trouble your little
heads about it kids, just do what the government tells you.
First much of the North Bay burned up early this summer
and now much of Ventura County is burning up too. We
live in interesting times.
I don't know if this fire can be blamed on global warming. More likely
the spread of population into the region north of LA. Couple that with
the natural tendency of brush growth after rains, the Santa Anna winds,
and generally poor attention to clearing around houses produced a recipe
for fire danger. Did global warming make it worse? Possibly in the
form of extremes of weather patterns, but that would be difficult to prove.
Oops! I could have written that paragraph myself. (-8
We have a similar brush situation in this area. In some areas the road
right of way is unusually wide, leaving fairly large areas overgrown.
Homeowners are legally responsible for cleaning up the area, in some
cases a quarter acre, between their property and a road, but getting
them to do it is problematic.
What does one do when the freedom of the individual puts the members of
the community at risk?
El Castor
2017-12-07 01:32:00 UTC
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Uh oh. More fires? Where are they?
Eugene FitzAubrey
Ventura county between LA and Santa Barbara. The rains that ended the
drought also produced rapid brush growth which burns rapidly when fanned
by the Santa Anna winds. Still reporting totally out of control as I
write this.
I just sent an email to my son about the Ventura fires.
Global warming? Scoff scoff scoff. Don't trouble your little
heads about it kids, just do what the government tells you.
First much of the North Bay burned up early this summer
and now much of Ventura County is burning up too. We
live in interesting times.
I don't know if this fire can be blamed on global warming. More likely
the spread of population into the region north of LA. Couple that with
the natural tendency of brush growth after rains, the Santa Anna winds,
and generally poor attention to clearing around houses produced a recipe
for fire danger. Did global warming make it worse? Possibly in the
form of extremes of weather patterns, but that would be difficult to prove.
Oops! I could have written that paragraph myself. (-8
We have a similar brush situation in this area. In some areas the road
right of way is unusually wide, leaving fairly large areas overgrown.
Homeowners are legally responsible for cleaning up the area, in some
cases a quarter acre, between their property and a road, but getting
them to do it is problematic.
What does one do when the freedom of the individual puts the members of
the community at risk?
In the case of a nearby problem, I took pictures, visited the Assessor
and confirmed the identity of the owner, and got it in writing from
the Dept of Public Works that the county considers the owner to be
responsible. I have taken it up with the owner and have been assured
it will be dealt with. I am confident that they will follow through,
but need be I know how to handle it.

That said, I have a strange feeling that your question is more of a
statement than a question, but the answer is simply that society deals
with these issues with laws, regulations, and sometimes, lawyers.
Above all stands the Constitution.
islander
2017-12-07 01:52:27 UTC
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Uh oh. More fires? Where are they?
Eugene FitzAubrey
Ventura county between LA and Santa Barbara. The rains that ended the
drought also produced rapid brush growth which burns rapidly when fanned
by the Santa Anna winds. Still reporting totally out of control as I
write this.
I just sent an email to my son about the Ventura fires.
Global warming? Scoff scoff scoff. Don't trouble your little
heads about it kids, just do what the government tells you.
First much of the North Bay burned up early this summer
and now much of Ventura County is burning up too. We
live in interesting times.
I don't know if this fire can be blamed on global warming. More likely
the spread of population into the region north of LA. Couple that with
the natural tendency of brush growth after rains, the Santa Anna winds,
and generally poor attention to clearing around houses produced a recipe
for fire danger. Did global warming make it worse? Possibly in the
form of extremes of weather patterns, but that would be difficult to prove.
Oops! I could have written that paragraph myself. (-8
We have a similar brush situation in this area. In some areas the road
right of way is unusually wide, leaving fairly large areas overgrown.
Homeowners are legally responsible for cleaning up the area, in some
cases a quarter acre, between their property and a road, but getting
them to do it is problematic.
What does one do when the freedom of the individual puts the members of
the community at risk?
In the case of a nearby problem, I took pictures, visited the Assessor
and confirmed the identity of the owner, and got it in writing from
the Dept of Public Works that the county considers the owner to be
responsible. I have taken it up with the owner and have been assured
it will be dealt with. I am confident that they will follow through,
but need be I know how to handle it.
That said, I have a strange feeling that your question is more of a
statement than a question, but the answer is simply that society deals
with these issues with laws, regulations, and sometimes, lawyers.
Above all stands the Constitution.
You left out enforcement. It should have taken nothing more than a
report by you. If what existed was a fire hazard, your local government
should have enforced the law.

Yes, society eventually handles the problem, but when it comes down to
whomever has the resources to hire a lawyer, the scale tilts
significantly in favor of those who can afford it.
El Castor
2017-12-07 17:27:52 UTC
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Uh oh. More fires? Where are they?
Eugene FitzAubrey
Ventura county between LA and Santa Barbara. The rains that ended the
drought also produced rapid brush growth which burns rapidly when fanned
by the Santa Anna winds. Still reporting totally out of control as I
write this.
I just sent an email to my son about the Ventura fires.
Global warming? Scoff scoff scoff. Don't trouble your little
heads about it kids, just do what the government tells you.
First much of the North Bay burned up early this summer
and now much of Ventura County is burning up too. We
live in interesting times.
I don't know if this fire can be blamed on global warming. More likely
the spread of population into the region north of LA. Couple that with
the natural tendency of brush growth after rains, the Santa Anna winds,
and generally poor attention to clearing around houses produced a recipe
for fire danger. Did global warming make it worse? Possibly in the
form of extremes of weather patterns, but that would be difficult to prove.
Oops! I could have written that paragraph myself. (-8
We have a similar brush situation in this area. In some areas the road
right of way is unusually wide, leaving fairly large areas overgrown.
Homeowners are legally responsible for cleaning up the area, in some
cases a quarter acre, between their property and a road, but getting
them to do it is problematic.
What does one do when the freedom of the individual puts the members of
the community at risk?
In the case of a nearby problem, I took pictures, visited the Assessor
and confirmed the identity of the owner, and got it in writing from
the Dept of Public Works that the county considers the owner to be
responsible. I have taken it up with the owner and have been assured
it will be dealt with. I am confident that they will follow through,
but need be I know how to handle it.
That said, I have a strange feeling that your question is more of a
statement than a question, but the answer is simply that society deals
with these issues with laws, regulations, and sometimes, lawyers.
Above all stands the Constitution.
You left out enforcement. It should have taken nothing more than a
report by you. If what existed was a fire hazard, your local government
should have enforced the law.
Yes, society eventually handles the problem, but when it comes down to
whomever has the resources to hire a lawyer, the scale tilts
significantly in favor of those who can afford it.
There are existing laws and regulations in California, and if I
wished, I could stir up a hornets nest, but that will not be
necessary. At least for some of us, government need not be the answer
to everything.
islander
2017-12-07 23:14:38 UTC
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Uh oh. More fires? Where are they?
Eugene FitzAubrey
Ventura county between LA and Santa Barbara. The rains that ended the
drought also produced rapid brush growth which burns rapidly when fanned
by the Santa Anna winds. Still reporting totally out of control as I
write this.
I just sent an email to my son about the Ventura fires.
Global warming? Scoff scoff scoff. Don't trouble your little
heads about it kids, just do what the government tells you.
First much of the North Bay burned up early this summer
and now much of Ventura County is burning up too. We
live in interesting times.
I don't know if this fire can be blamed on global warming. More likely
the spread of population into the region north of LA. Couple that with
the natural tendency of brush growth after rains, the Santa Anna winds,
and generally poor attention to clearing around houses produced a recipe
for fire danger. Did global warming make it worse? Possibly in the
form of extremes of weather patterns, but that would be difficult to prove.
Oops! I could have written that paragraph myself. (-8
We have a similar brush situation in this area. In some areas the road
right of way is unusually wide, leaving fairly large areas overgrown.
Homeowners are legally responsible for cleaning up the area, in some
cases a quarter acre, between their property and a road, but getting
them to do it is problematic.
What does one do when the freedom of the individual puts the members of
the community at risk?
In the case of a nearby problem, I took pictures, visited the Assessor
and confirmed the identity of the owner, and got it in writing from
the Dept of Public Works that the county considers the owner to be
responsible. I have taken it up with the owner and have been assured
it will be dealt with. I am confident that they will follow through,
but need be I know how to handle it.
That said, I have a strange feeling that your question is more of a
statement than a question, but the answer is simply that society deals
with these issues with laws, regulations, and sometimes, lawyers.
Above all stands the Constitution.
You left out enforcement. It should have taken nothing more than a
report by you. If what existed was a fire hazard, your local government
should have enforced the law.
Yes, society eventually handles the problem, but when it comes down to
whomever has the resources to hire a lawyer, the scale tilts
significantly in favor of those who can afford it.
There are existing laws and regulations in California, and if I
wished, I could stir up a hornets nest, but that will not be
necessary. At least for some of us, government need not be the answer
to everything.
Funny thing, in the example that you cited you described how you used
the government to resolve the issue to your satisfaction. It took what
sounded like a lot of effort on your part, effort that the average
working person cannot afford in terms of time and possibly money. Try
doing that if you are working two jobs that do not give you time off to
go joust with the local government.
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2017-12-08 01:04:17 UTC
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Uh oh. More fires? Where are they?
Eugene FitzAubrey
Ventura county between LA and Santa Barbara. The rains that ended the
drought also produced rapid brush growth which burns rapidly when fanned
by the Santa Anna winds. Still reporting totally out of control as I
write this.
I just sent an email to my son about the Ventura fires.
Global warming? Scoff scoff scoff. Don't trouble your little
heads about it kids, just do what the government tells you.
First much of the North Bay burned up early this summer
and now much of Ventura County is burning up too. We
live in interesting times.
I don't know if this fire can be blamed on global warming. More likely
the spread of population into the region north of LA. Couple that with
the natural tendency of brush growth after rains, the Santa Anna winds,
and generally poor attention to clearing around houses produced a recipe
for fire danger. Did global warming make it worse? Possibly in the
form of extremes of weather patterns, but that would be difficult to prove.
Oops! I could have written that paragraph myself. (-8
We have a similar brush situation in this area. In some areas the road
right of way is unusually wide, leaving fairly large areas overgrown.
Homeowners are legally responsible for cleaning up the area, in some
cases a quarter acre, between their property and a road, but getting
them to do it is problematic.
What does one do when the freedom of the individual puts the members of
the community at risk?
In the case of a nearby problem, I took pictures, visited the Assessor
and confirmed the identity of the owner, and got it in writing from
the Dept of Public Works that the county considers the owner to be
responsible. I have taken it up with the owner and have been assured
it will be dealt with. I am confident that they will follow through,
but need be I know how to handle it.
That said, I have a strange feeling that your question is more of a
statement than a question, but the answer is simply that society deals
with these issues with laws, regulations, and sometimes, lawyers.
Above all stands the Constitution.
You left out enforcement. It should have taken nothing more than a
report by you. If what existed was a fire hazard, your local government
should have enforced the law.
Yes, society eventually handles the problem, but when it comes down to
whomever has the resources to hire a lawyer, the scale tilts
significantly in favor of those who can afford it.
There are existing laws and regulations in California, and if I
wished, I could stir up a hornets nest, but that will not be
necessary. At least for some of us, government need not be the answer
to everything.
Funny thing, in the example that you cited you described how you used
the government to resolve the issue to your satisfaction. It took what
sounded like a lot of effort on your part, effort that the average
working person cannot afford in terms of time and possibly money. Try
doing that if you are working two jobs that do not give you time off to
go joust with the local government.
I have the time -- not a big deal. However, there was an unusual
ownership case recently in San Francisco. A gated private street
serves 35 houses. An HOA, or something similar, owned the street, and
was obligated to pay the property taxes of something like $4.13 a
year. The annual tax bill was mailed to an accountant who went out of
business 10 years ago, so it wasn't being paid, and the street was
sold at auction to pay the back taxes. A guy bought the street,
leaving those 35 house owners in a very uncomfortable position.
Fortunately (for them) the city relented, let them have the street
back, and now they will definitely be paying the 4 bucks a year.
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2017-12-08 16:43:24 UTC
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Uh oh. More fires? Where are they?
Eugene FitzAubrey
Ventura county between LA and Santa Barbara. The rains that ended the
drought also produced rapid brush growth which burns rapidly when fanned
by the Santa Anna winds. Still reporting totally out of control as I
write this.
I just sent an email to my son about the Ventura fires.
Global warming? Scoff scoff scoff. Don't trouble your little
heads about it kids, just do what the government tells you.
First much of the North Bay burned up early this summer
and now much of Ventura County is burning up too. We
live in interesting times.
I don't know if this fire can be blamed on global warming. More likely
the spread of population into the region north of LA. Couple that with
the natural tendency of brush growth after rains, the Santa Anna winds,
and generally poor attention to clearing around houses produced a recipe
for fire danger. Did global warming make it worse? Possibly in the
form of extremes of weather patterns, but that would be difficult to prove.
Oops! I could have written that paragraph myself. (-8
We have a similar brush situation in this area. In some areas the road
right of way is unusually wide, leaving fairly large areas overgrown.
Homeowners are legally responsible for cleaning up the area, in some
cases a quarter acre, between their property and a road, but getting
them to do it is problematic.
What does one do when the freedom of the individual puts the members of
the community at risk?
In the case of a nearby problem, I took pictures, visited the Assessor
and confirmed the identity of the owner, and got it in writing from
the Dept of Public Works that the county considers the owner to be
responsible. I have taken it up with the owner and have been assured
it will be dealt with. I am confident that they will follow through,
but need be I know how to handle it.
That said, I have a strange feeling that your question is more of a
statement than a question, but the answer is simply that society deals
with these issues with laws, regulations, and sometimes, lawyers.
Above all stands the Constitution.
You left out enforcement. It should have taken nothing more than a
report by you. If what existed was a fire hazard, your local government
should have enforced the law.
Yes, society eventually handles the problem, but when it comes down to
whomever has the resources to hire a lawyer, the scale tilts
significantly in favor of those who can afford it.
There are existing laws and regulations in California, and if I
wished, I could stir up a hornets nest, but that will not be
necessary. At least for some of us, government need not be the answer
to everything.
Funny thing, in the example that you cited you described how you used
the government to resolve the issue to your satisfaction. It took what
sounded like a lot of effort on your part, effort that the average
working person cannot afford in terms of time and possibly money. Try
doing that if you are working two jobs that do not give you time off to
go joust with the local government.
I have the time -- not a big deal. However, there was an unusual
ownership case recently in San Francisco. A gated private street
serves 35 houses. An HOA, or something similar, owned the street, and
was obligated to pay the property taxes of something like $4.13 a
year. The annual tax bill was mailed to an accountant who went out of
business 10 years ago, so it wasn't being paid, and the street was
sold at auction to pay the back taxes. A guy bought the street,
leaving those 35 house owners in a very uncomfortable position.
Fortunately (for them) the city relented, let them have the street
back, and now they will definitely be paying the 4 bucks a year.
Good one! Shows that one can never assume that things are going well
just because you don't hear anything to the contrary. Fortunately in
this case the city made the right decision.

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2017-12-06 01:01:36 UTC
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Why isn't Jerry on his way to help put the fires out?
Doesn't he support the people who put him in office?
Yes... that's why he's hanging out with the illegal aliens.

They all went to the mini-mart for more marshmallows.
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