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South Africa, a Nation With Sharp Inequality, Considers a Minimum Wage
By NORIMITSU ONISHI, FEB. 15, 2017, NY Times

KHAYELITSHA, South Africa — He works in AIDS prevention & his wife
gets the occasional gig at a local supermarket. But neither job is
regular enough for a “proper home,” Zwai Lugogo says, so his family
lives in a shack here in Cape Town’s largest black township, making
do with thin walls of painted metal.

Many of his neighbors — housekeepers, factory workers, nurse’s aides
— are in the same predicament, working hard at jobs available to
black South Africans, but barely scraping by.

“That money that we’re getting from work is just not enough to be
able to take care of our families,” said Mr. Lugogo, 34, as
neighborhood children, including his 3-year-old son, ran around
their narrow street recently. “We need an intervention.”

South Africa is now considering one. Faced with rising discontent
over the economy among black voters, the govt is weighing something
more common in developed economies: a national minimum wage.

Late last year, a government panel recommended about $260 a month,
or about $1.50 an hour — a small amount even in South Africa, but
close to the median income in a country where the official unemploy-
ment rate is 27% & nearly half the population lives in poverty.

Last week, the nation’s deputy president, Cyril Ramaphosa, endorsed
the panel’s recommendation, vowing that the minimum wage would be
in effect by May 2018. But in such a sluggish economy, opponents
contend that the effort would destroy jobs, especially for the
least skilled.

Supporters counter that a minimum wage is the only way to reduce
poverty in one of the world’s most unequal societies, helping to
dismantle an apartheid-era system designed to provide cheap black
labor for an economy dominated by the white minority.

In few places do divisions run as deep as in South Africa. Wealthy
communities with living standards equal to those in the West and
inhabited disproportionately by whites rub shoulders uneasily with
desperately poor townships. A government survey released in January
found that black South Africans, who make up 80% of the population,
earned only one-fifth of what whites did in 2015.

Some smaller African economies, like those of Cameroon, Ghana and
Ivory Coast, already have a national minimum wage. But only a small
percentage of their workers are in the formal economy and therefore
eligible for the minimum, experts say. And even for them, the rules
tend not to be enforced.

A national minimum wage would be more meaningful in a big economy
like South Africa’s, experts say, because the formal work force is
much larger, around 80 percent of all workers. Millions of people
would be eligible.

Still, South Africa, sub-Saharan Africa’s most advanced economy, is
enduring the same forces as the rest of the continent. It is not
growing fast enough to absorb its rapidly growing population, which
is leaving rural areas to look for work in places like Khayelitsha,
one of the country’s biggest townships with about 400,000 people.

There is added urgency for the govt to act: The African National
Congress, which helped liberate black South Africans from white-
minority rule and has governed the country since 1994, is still
stinging from losing most of the nation’s biggest cities in
elections last July. The party could once bank on loyal support
from the nation’s black majority. But corruption and economic
stagnation for millions of people have steadily eroded that support
over the years, resulting in the party’s worst showing in elections
since the end of apartheid in 1994.

The frustrations are evident in Khayelitsha. It is roughly situated
between two of South Africa’s richest areas: the city of Cape Town
and the famed wine country of Stellenbosch. Established in 1983 by
the apartheid government, Khayelitsha, which means new home in
Xhosa, still provides many of the workers for both communities.

On weekday mornings, soon after daybreak, the men and women of
Khayelitsha leave their neighborhoods & walk to the nearest train
or bus station. For many, the commute — a legacy of apartheid-era
urban planning to separate white and black areas — takes up to a
couple of hours each way.

Many on Mr. Lugogo’s street, known as Twecu Crescent, said their
commute cost them a quarter or a third of their monthly wages. For
black South Africans nationwide, the cost of taxis, buses & other
passenger road transportation accounts for 5.4% of their expenses,
compared with 0.2% for whites, who tend to own cars.

A bus called the Golden Arrow stopped not far from Twecu Crescent
with a few passengers already on board. It made several stops in
Khayelitsha &, after passing a densely packed stretch of shanties,
some precariously stacked two high, it pulled out of the township
on its way toward Cape Town. Headed to residential areas, the bus
transported mostly women who worked in malls or in homes as
housekeepers.

Along the way, in a scene repeated in many buses that morning, a
woman, in this instance Julia Xakata, began preaching & leading the
others in song. Some sang softly while checking their cellphones.
Sitting near the front of the bus next to a window, Makatiso
Sekhamane moved her lips while knitting a black cap. “I knit
whenever I have some free time,” Ms. Sekhamane, 47, said, explaining
that she usually completed a cap in two days & sold it for about $4.
“It’s something.” The caps supplemented the $400 a month she made
working six days a week cleaning white people’s homes. Her husband
earned maybe $150 repairing refrigerators. Their combined income
supports five children and two grandchildren at home.

Much of the discussion surrounding a national minimum wage — led by
government, business, labor & academics — is expected to focus on
the amount. According to the panel’s report, a monthly minimum wage
of about $260 “would maximize benefits to the poor and minimize any
possible” disincentives to work. The amount proposed by the panel
is below the working poverty line of $325 a month, but because the
median income of South African workers is only $280 a month, the
minimum would help reduce inequality, the panel said.

On Twecu Crescent, many of the employed already earn the proposed
minimum, or more. But their wages are far below the salaries earned
by the few residents in the nicest homes — $600 a month for a govt
worker, $900 a month for a young police officer.

The proposed minimum “is not enough,” said Nombeko Mndangaso, who
earns about $165 a month working five hours a day as a cleaner in
a nursing home. “It won’t make a difference.” With her husband,
who makes $245 a month as a full-time security guard, they earn
more than $400 a month. But with rent, transportation, electricity
and two daughters, there is little left at the end of the month.
A minimum wage of “at least” $340 a month per person, she said,
would improve her family’s situation.

Sparsely populated a generation ago, Twecu Crescent now has little
or no space between homes. Many homeowners earn extra income by
renting out shacks on their property to the endless stream of new
arrivals to Khayelitsha. On Twecu Crescent, a short street divided
into two blocks, the handful of sturdily built homes belonging to
the upwardly mobile stand out. There is, in a two-story house, the
woman who works at a bank; down the street, the man employed by the
government power utility; and, on the corner, the police officer
whose still unfinished house has a new red Peugeot in the driveway
and a low wall with spikes to discourage people from sitting on it.
The street is otherwise lined with more modest homes under corrugated
roof sheets, inhabited by those making a third or half of what those
in the nicer homes do, and shacks of varying quality occupied by
those worse off. Discolored concrete blocks are neatly piled in many
front yards, a sign of the slow and unsteady pace of progress for
most on Twecu Crescent.

Sinovuyo Gada’s family moved here in 1998. “There was no road here,
just gravel,” she said. “There were no houses, just shacks.” Her
father, a welder, & her mother, who sells homemade food from a shack
in their front yard, built the house in which she & her brother grew
up. After finishing high school in 2012, she sent out her résumé to
countless companies for three years before finally securing a part-
time job through a friend. She now works four days a week at a
supermarket at a mall in Cape Town, earning $60 a week. About 30% of
that, or $18, goes to transportation. Ms. Gada, 22, is part of the
“born-free” generation of black South Africans who came of age after
apartheid’s fall. But like many in her cohort, she was deeply
dissatisfied with the pace of change in her family’s circumstances.

“The apartheid, it’s still there,” she said. The wages she earned
from the job that took so long in finding would do little to improve
her situation, she said. She did not believe that a monthly minimum
of $260 would help. Employers control the balance of power over
people like her, she said. “They think sometimes we are desperate,”
she said. “Yes, we are desperate, because we have families & children
to take care of.”

It was early evening, &, all over Khayelitsha, men & women started
coming home, most of them walking from bus stops to their streets,
their gait slower than in the morning. On Twecu Crescent, girls sat
on a corner playing a game of rocks. A boy pushing an old tire with
a stick cast a long shadow up the street. The woman who was knitting
on the bus, Ms. Sekhamane — better known on Twecu Crescent as Mama
Kakiso, or the mother of Kakiso, her son — arrived home. She had had
a busy day and, arriving late at the bus stop, had found no available
seats on the Golden Arrow. She took a taxi instead, paying an amount
equivalent to half the price of one of her black caps. “I’m going to
wash my body & sleep now,” Mama Kakiso said as she slipped into her
home. “I can’t do anything.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/world/africa/south-africa-minimum-wage.html
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Where's the Naval relevance of this?
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South Africa, a Nation With Sharp Inequality, Considers a Minimum Wage
By NORIMITSU ONISHI, FEB. 15, 2017, NY Times
KHAYELITSHA, South Africa — He works in AIDS prevention & his wife
gets the occasional gig at a local supermarket. But neither job is
regular enough for a “proper home,” Zwai Lugogo says, so his family
lives in a shack here in Cape Town’s largest black township, making
do with thin walls of painted metal.
Note that a minimum wage isn't going to do shit for someone who has no
'regular job', as the couple described above do not.

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2017-02-21 17:10:01 UTC
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Where's the Naval relevance of this?
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South Africa, a Nation With Sharp Inequality, Considers a Minimum Wage
By NORIMITSU ONISHI, FEB. 15, 2017, NY Times
KHAYELITSHA, South Africa — He works in AIDS prevention & his wife
gets the occasional gig at a local supermarket. But neither job is
regular enough for a “proper home,” Zwai Lugogo says, so his family
lives in a shack here in Cape Town’s largest black township, making
do with thin walls of painted metal.
Note that a minimum wage isn't going to do shit for someone who has no
'regular job', as the couple described above do not.
U.N. population projections: to 2050, South Africa

Year Pop. ±%
1950 13,683,162 _
2015 54,957,000 —
2020 57,296,000 +4.3%
2025 59,702,000 +4.2%
2030 61,836,000 +3.6%
2035 63,670,000 +3.0%
2040 65,413,000 +2.7%
2045 67,075,000 +2.5%
2050 68,642,000 +2.3%
Source: United Nations Secretariat
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2017-02-21 19:06:02 UTC
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Where's the Naval relevance of this?
Overpopulation is a major cause of conflict, along with
Selfishness Gone Wild, Drug Prohibition, & Unstable Currency.
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South Africa, a Nation With Sharp Inequality, Considers a Minimum Wage
By NORIMITSU ONISHI, FEB. 15, 2017, NY Times
KHAYELITSHA, South Africa — He works in AIDS prevention & his wife
gets the occasional gig at a local supermarket. But neither job is
regular enough for a “proper home,” Zwai Lugogo says, so his family
lives in a shack here in Cape Town’s largest black township, making
do with thin walls of painted metal.
Note that a minimum wage isn't going to do shit for someone who has no
'regular job', as the couple described above do not.
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Fred J. McCall
2017-02-22 04:13:31 UTC
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Where's the Naval relevance of this?
Overpopulation is a major cause of conflict, along with
Selfishness Gone Wild, Drug Prohibition, & Unstable Currency.
Hogwash. He's right. Stop posting off topic shite.
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2017-02-22 21:38:07 UTC
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Overpopulation is a major cause of conflict, along with
Selfishness Gone Wild, Drug Prohibition, & Unstable Currency.
But how does each contribute?
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Overpopulation is a major cause of conflict, along with
Selfishness Gone Wild, Drug Prohibition, & Unstable Currency.
But how does each contribute?
Selfishness Gone Wild is the biggie, & must come first.
Overpopulation is another form of SGW with the
extending of life spans. Drug Prohibition is the attempt
to legislate morality. Unstable Currency is lack of
understanding of how the Gold Standard works.
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2017-02-25 09:36:03 UTC
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Overpopulation is a major cause of conflict, along with
Selfishness Gone Wild, Drug Prohibition, & Unstable Currency.
But how does each contribute?
Selfishness Gone Wild is the biggie, & must come first.
Great, stop being so selfish and top yourself. At the very least you
should start living on $1 per day and the 1600 calorie a day diet they
enjoy in Eritrea.
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Overpopulation is a major cause of conflict, along with
Selfishness Gone Wild, Drug Prohibition, & Unstable Currency.
But how does each contribute?
Selfishness Gone Wild is the biggie, & must come first.
Great, stop being so selfish and top yourself. At the very least you
should start living on $1 per day and the 1600 calorie a day diet they
enjoy in Eritrea.
You're trying to build a foundation for peace on special interest,
that of your country and its allies. That method has never worked,
and it never will! A successful foundation for peace must be built
on GENERAL interest, so that EVERYONE can get on board.
Peace depends upon Unity!
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2017-03-02 16:01:21 UTC
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Overpopulation is a major cause of conflict, along with
Selfishness Gone Wild, Drug Prohibition, & Unstable Currency.
But how does each contribute?
Selfishness Gone Wild is the biggie, & must come first.
Great, stop being so selfish and top yourself. At the very least you
should start living on $1 per day and the 1600 calorie a day diet they
enjoy in Eritrea.
You're trying to build a foundation for peace on special interest,
that of your country and its allies. That method has never worked,
and it never will! A successful foundation for peace must be built
on GENERAL interest, so that EVERYONE can get on board.
Peace depends upon Unity!
Meanwhile you're calling for selectively killing off those nasty brown
people, which would seem to be against their interests.
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neighbour and this fact goes far to account for religious
intolerance. It is evidently consoling to reflect that the
people next door are headed for hell."
-- Aleister Crowley
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2017-03-07 07:53:03 UTC
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Overpopulation is a major cause of conflict, along with
Selfishness Gone Wild, Drug Prohibition, & Unstable Currency.
But how does each contribute?
Selfishness Gone Wild is the biggie, & must come first.
Great, stop being so selfish and top yourself. At the very least you
should start living on $1 per day and the 1600 calorie a day diet they
enjoy in Eritrea.
You're trying to build a foundation for peace on special interest,
that of your country and its allies. That method has never worked,
and it never will! A successful foundation for peace must be built
on GENERAL interest, so that EVERYONE can get on board.
Peace depends upon Unity!
Meanwhile you're calling for selectively killing off those nasty brown
people, which would seem to be against their interests.
In private, everyone says that "War is inevitable & there's nothing
you can do about it." That's a hopeless condition, like alcoholism
and drug addiction. The recovery literature says the problem is
"Self-will run riot". The solution is to admit powerlessness, find a
Higher Power, take an inventory, and Practice Unselfish Acts.
It's been working great for 80 years! Nature's prime method of
controlling population, communicable disease, has also been
working well....it ain't broke, so there's no need to fix it!
Fred J. McCall
2017-03-07 15:02:56 UTC
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In private, everyone says that "War is inevitable & there's nothing
you can do about it."
Well, everyone but racist goons like you. What you say in public is
"Let's arrange for those nasty brown and black people to do more
dying", no matter how you try to dress it up.
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neighbour and this fact goes far to account for religious
intolerance. It is evidently consoling to reflect that the
people next door are headed for hell."
-- Aleister Crowley
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In private, everyone says that "War is inevitable & there's nothing
you can do about it." That's a hopeless condition, like alcoholism
and drug addiction. The recovery literature says the problem is
"Self-will run riot". The solution is to admit powerlessness, find a
Higher Power, take an inventory, and Practice Unselfish Acts.
It's been working great for 80 years! Nature's prime method of
controlling population, communicable disease, has also been
working well....it ain't broke, so there's no need to fix it!
Well, everyone but racist goons like you. What you say in public is
"Let's arrange for those nasty brown and black people to do more
dying", no matter how you try to dress it up.
No, if we stay the course, those people will continue to suffer
more, because they're in countries where democracy is weaker
or nonexistent, or they're in our inner cities where drug gangs rule.
Banning flu shots would impact mostly the very young and
very old, mostly the old, since there are so many more nowadays.
Also, you gave up on the whole idea of trying to develop a plan for
peace, decades ago, never ever picked it up.....so you're not even
qualified to speak on the subject!
Fred J. McCall
2017-03-08 23:40:19 UTC
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In private, everyone says that "War is inevitable & there's nothing
you can do about it." That's a hopeless condition, like alcoholism
and drug addiction. The recovery literature says the problem is
"Self-will run riot". The solution is to admit powerlessness, find a
Higher Power, take an inventory, and Practice Unselfish Acts.
It's been working great for 80 years! Nature's prime method of
controlling population, communicable disease, has also been
working well....it ain't broke, so there's no need to fix it!
Well, everyone but racist goons like you. What you say in public is
"Let's arrange for those nasty brown and black people to do more
dying", no matter how you try to dress it up.
No, if we stay the course, those people will continue to suffer
more, because they're in countries where democracy is weaker
or nonexistent, or they're in our inner cities where drug gangs rule.
Banning flu shots would impact mostly the very young and
very old, mostly the old, since there are so many more nowadays.
Also, you gave up on the whole idea of trying to develop a plan for
peace, decades ago, never ever picked it up.....so you're not even
qualified to speak on the subject!
Do us all a favour and top yourself, you racist goon. The folks most
impacted will be those in areas with third world type conditions. All
your rationalizing is bullshit. You're fine with it as long as it's
non-whites doing the dying.
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2017-03-11 02:54:40 UTC
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In private, everyone says that "War is inevitable & there's nothing
you can do about it." That's a hopeless condition, like alcoholism
and drug addiction. The recovery literature says the problem is
"Self-will run riot". The solution is to admit powerlessness, find a
Higher Power, take an inventory, and Practice Unselfish Acts.
It's been working great for 80 years! Nature's prime method of
controlling population, communicable disease, has also been
working well....it ain't broke, so there's no need to fix it!
Well, everyone but racist goons like you. What you say in public is
"Let's arrange for those nasty brown and black people to do more
dying", no matter how you try to dress it up.
No, if we stay the course, those people will continue to suffer
more, because they're in countries where democracy is weaker
or nonexistent, or they're in our inner cities where drug gangs rule.
Banning flu shots would impact mostly the very young and
very old, mostly the old, since there are so many more nowadays.
Also, you gave up on the whole idea of trying to develop a plan for
peace, decades ago, never ever picked it up.....so you're not even
qualified to speak on the subject!
Do us all a favour and top yourself, you racist goon. The folks most
impacted will be those in areas with third world type conditions. All
your rationalizing is bullshit. You're fine with it as long as it's
non-whites doing the dying.
You don't defeat an idea with objections, criticism, and insults;
you defeat an idea with a BETTER idea, and you don't have one!
Fred J. McCall
2017-03-11 07:16:46 UTC
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In private, everyone says that "War is inevitable & there's nothing
you can do about it." That's a hopeless condition, like alcoholism
and drug addiction. The recovery literature says the problem is
"Self-will run riot". The solution is to admit powerlessness, find a
Higher Power, take an inventory, and Practice Unselfish Acts.
It's been working great for 80 years! Nature's prime method of
controlling population, communicable disease, has also been
working well....it ain't broke, so there's no need to fix it!
Well, everyone but racist goons like you. What you say in public is
"Let's arrange for those nasty brown and black people to do more
dying", no matter how you try to dress it up.
No, if we stay the course, those people will continue to suffer
more, because they're in countries where democracy is weaker
or nonexistent, or they're in our inner cities where drug gangs rule.
Banning flu shots would impact mostly the very young and
very old, mostly the old, since there are so many more nowadays.
Also, you gave up on the whole idea of trying to develop a plan for
peace, decades ago, never ever picked it up.....so you're not even
qualified to speak on the subject!
Do us all a favour and top yourself, you racist goon. The folks most
impacted will be those in areas with third world type conditions. All
your rationalizing is bullshit. You're fine with it as long as it's
non-whites doing the dying.
You don't defeat an idea with objections, criticism, and insults;
you defeat an idea with a BETTER idea, and you don't have one!
Actually, I do and you do not. Racist phuquewits like you topping
themselves is a much better idea than the sort of racist bullshit you
propose, since my suggestion gets rid of idiots while your suggestion
leads to MORE conflict, not less.
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2017-03-11 08:30:55 UTC
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Actually, I do and you do not. Racist phuquewits like you topping
themselves is a much better idea than the sort of racist bullshit you
propose, since my suggestion gets rid of idiots while your suggestion
leads to MORE conflict, not less.
Freddy boi.. You are an idiot...You use the term racist to cover up your
bloviated ignorance.
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the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
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In private, everyone says that "War is inevitable & there's nothing
you can do about it." That's a hopeless condition, like alcoholism
and drug addiction. The recovery literature says the problem is
"Self-will run riot". The solution is to admit powerlessness, find a
Higher Power, take an inventory, and Practice Unselfish Acts.
It's been working great for 80 years! Nature's prime method of
controlling population, communicable disease, has also been
working well....it ain't broke, so there's no need to fix it!
Well, everyone but racist goons like you. What you say in public is
"Let's arrange for those nasty brown and black people to do more
dying", no matter how you try to dress it up.
No, if we stay the course, those people will continue to suffer
more, because they're in countries where democracy is weaker
or nonexistent, or they're in our inner cities where drug gangs rule.
Banning flu shots would impact mostly the very young and
very old, mostly the old, since there are so many more nowadays.
Also, you gave up on the whole idea of trying to develop a plan for
peace, decades ago, never ever picked it up.....so you're not even
qualified to speak on the subject!
Do us all a favour and top yourself, you racist goon. The folks most
impacted will be those in areas with third world type conditions. All
your rationalizing is bullshit. You're fine with it as long as it's
non-whites doing the dying.
You don't defeat an idea with objections, criticism, and insults;
you defeat an idea with a BETTER idea, and you don't have one!
Actually, I do and you do not. Racist phuquewits like you topping
themselves is a much better idea than the sort of racist bullshit you
propose, since my suggestion gets rid of idiots while your suggestion
leads to MORE conflict, not less.
When we fought in Iraq, they lost millions while we lost thousands.
When a drought occurs in California, people have to water their
lawns less often. When a drought occurs in South Sudan, there
is widespread famine. Don't even think about "dressing it up",
you "racist pig"!
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In private, everyone says that "War is inevitable & there's nothing
you can do about it." That's a hopeless condition, like alcoholism
and drug addiction. The recovery literature says the problem is
"Self-will run riot". The solution is to admit powerlessness, find a
Higher Power, take an inventory, and Practice Unselfish Acts.
It's been working great for 80 years! Nature's prime method of
controlling population, communicable disease, has also been
working well....it ain't broke, so there's no need to fix it!
Well, everyone but racist goons like you. What you say in public is
"Let's arrange for those nasty brown and black people to do more
dying", no matter how you try to dress it up.
No, if we stay the course, those people will continue to suffer
more, because they're in countries where democracy is weaker
or nonexistent, or they're in our inner cities where drug gangs rule.
Banning flu shots would impact mostly the very young and
very old, mostly the old, since there are so many more nowadays.
Also, you gave up on the whole idea of trying to develop a plan for
peace, decades ago, never ever picked it up.....so you're not even
qualified to speak on the subject!
Do us all a favour and top yourself, you racist goon. The folks most
impacted will be those in areas with third world type conditions. All
your rationalizing is bullshit. You're fine with it as long as it's
non-whites doing the dying.
You don't defeat an idea with objections, criticism, and insults;
you defeat an idea with a BETTER idea, and you don't have one!
Actually, I do and you do not. Racist phuquewits like you topping
themselves is a much better idea than the sort of racist bullshit you
propose, since my suggestion gets rid of idiots while your suggestion
leads to MORE conflict, not less.
When we fought in Iraq, they lost millions while we lost thousands.
Which outcome demonstrates they shouldn't have started a war.
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When a drought occurs in California, people have to water their
lawns less often. When a drought occurs in South Sudan, there
is widespread famine. Don't even think about "dressing it up",
you "racist pig"!
What the fuck does that have to do with your racist scheme to deprive
the third world of preventive medical care?
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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In private, everyone says that "War is inevitable & there's nothing
you can do about it." That's a hopeless condition, like alcoholism
and drug addiction. The recovery literature says the problem is
"Self-will run riot". The solution is to admit powerlessness, find a
Higher Power, take an inventory, and Practice Unselfish Acts.
It's been working great for 80 years! Nature's prime method of
controlling population, communicable disease, has also been
working well....it ain't broke, so there's no need to fix it!
Well, everyone but racist goons like you. What you say in public is
"Let's arrange for those nasty brown and black people to do more
dying", no matter how you try to dress it up.
No, if we stay the course, those people will continue to suffer
more, because they're in countries where democracy is weaker
or nonexistent, or they're in our inner cities where drug gangs rule.
Banning flu shots would impact mostly the very young and
very old, mostly the old, since there are so many more nowadays.
Also, you gave up on the whole idea of trying to develop a plan for
peace, decades ago, never ever picked it up.....so you're not even
qualified to speak on the subject!
Do us all a favour and top yourself, you racist goon. The folks most
impacted will be those in areas with third world type conditions. All
your rationalizing is bullshit. You're fine with it as long as it's
non-whites doing the dying.
You don't defeat an idea with objections, criticism, and insults;
you defeat an idea with a BETTER idea, and you don't have one!
Actually, I do and you do not. Racist phuquewits like you topping
themselves is a much better idea than the sort of racist bullshit you
propose, since my suggestion gets rid of idiots while your suggestion
leads to MORE conflict, not less.
When we fought in Iraq, they lost millions while we lost thousands.
When a drought occurs in California, people have to water their
lawns less often. When a drought occurs in South Sudan, there
is widespread famine. Don't even think about "dressing it up",
you "racist pig"!
What the fuck does that have to do with your racist scheme to deprive
the third world of preventive medical care?
It means you're all about negative spin & playin' dumb & nothin' else!
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2017-03-12 07:54:38 UTC
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In private, everyone says that "War is inevitable & there's nothing
you can do about it." That's a hopeless condition, like alcoholism
and drug addiction. The recovery literature says the problem is
"Self-will run riot". The solution is to admit powerlessness, find a
Higher Power, take an inventory, and Practice Unselfish Acts.
It's been working great for 80 years! Nature's prime method of
controlling population, communicable disease, has also been
working well....it ain't broke, so there's no need to fix it!
Well, everyone but racist goons like you. What you say in public is
"Let's arrange for those nasty brown and black people to do more
dying", no matter how you try to dress it up.
No, if we stay the course, those people will continue to suffer
more, because they're in countries where democracy is weaker
or nonexistent, or they're in our inner cities where drug gangs rule.
Banning flu shots would impact mostly the very young and
very old, mostly the old, since there are so many more nowadays.
Also, you gave up on the whole idea of trying to develop a plan for
peace, decades ago, never ever picked it up.....so you're not even
qualified to speak on the subject!
Do us all a favour and top yourself, you racist goon. The folks most
impacted will be those in areas with third world type conditions. All
your rationalizing is bullshit. You're fine with it as long as it's
non-whites doing the dying.
You don't defeat an idea with objections, criticism, and insults;
you defeat an idea with a BETTER idea, and you don't have one!
Actually, I do and you do not. Racist phuquewits like you topping
themselves is a much better idea than the sort of racist bullshit you
propose, since my suggestion gets rid of idiots while your suggestion
leads to MORE conflict, not less.
When we fought in Iraq, they lost millions while we lost thousands.
When a drought occurs in California, people have to water their
lawns less often. When a drought occurs in South Sudan, there
is widespread famine. Don't even think about "dressing it up",
you "racist pig"!
What the fuck does that have to do with your racist scheme to deprive
the third world of preventive medical care?
It means you're all about negative spin & playin' dumb & nothin' else!
Non sequitur much? Hell, I could shit a 'bot that had smarter
responses than you. Stop wasting everyone's time.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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In private, everyone says that "War is inevitable & there's nothing
you can do about it." That's a hopeless condition, like alcoholism
and drug addiction. The recovery literature says the problem is
"Self-will run riot". The solution is to admit powerlessness, find a
Higher Power, take an inventory, and Practice Unselfish Acts.
It's been working great for 80 years! Nature's prime method of
controlling population, communicable disease, has also been
working well....it ain't broke, so there's no need to fix it!
Well, everyone but racist goons like you. What you say in public is
"Let's arrange for those nasty brown and black people to do more
dying", no matter how you try to dress it up.
No, if we stay the course, those people will continue to suffer
more, because they're in countries where democracy is weaker
or nonexistent, or they're in our inner cities where drug gangs rule.
Banning flu shots would impact mostly the very young and
very old, mostly the old, since there are so many more nowadays.
Also, you gave up on the whole idea of trying to develop a plan for
peace, decades ago, never ever picked it up.....so you're not even
qualified to speak on the subject!
Do us all a favour and top yourself, you racist goon. The folks most
impacted will be those in areas with third world type conditions. All
your rationalizing is bullshit. You're fine with it as long as it's
non-whites doing the dying.
You don't defeat an idea with objections, criticism, and insults;
you defeat an idea with a BETTER idea, and you don't have one!
Actually, I do and you do not. Racist phuquewits like you topping
themselves is a much better idea than the sort of racist bullshit you
propose, since my suggestion gets rid of idiots while your suggestion
leads to MORE conflict, not less.
When we fought in Iraq, they lost millions while we lost thousands.
When a drought occurs in California, people have to water their
lawns less often. When a drought occurs in South Sudan, there
is widespread famine. Don't even think about "dressing it up",
you "racist pig"!
What does that have to do with your racist scheme to deprive
the third world of preventive medical care?
Your plan is peace through superior firepower. All the black & brown
people in third world countries have inferior firepower. According to
your logic, that's racist as hell!

You're okay with natural processes, like droughts, doing their thing.
All the black & brown people in third world countries have less
ability to withstand those processes. According to your logic,
that's racist as hell!
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2017-03-14 07:06:29 UTC
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In private, everyone says that "War is inevitable & there's nothing
you can do about it." That's a hopeless condition, like alcoholism
and drug addiction. The recovery literature says the problem is
"Self-will run riot". The solution is to admit powerlessness, find a
Higher Power, take an inventory, and Practice Unselfish Acts.
It's been working great for 80 years! Nature's prime method of
controlling population, communicable disease, has also been
working well....it ain't broke, so there's no need to fix it!
Well, everyone but racist goons like you. What you say in public is
"Let's arrange for those nasty brown and black people to do more
dying", no matter how you try to dress it up.
No, if we stay the course, those people will continue to suffer
more, because they're in countries where democracy is weaker
or nonexistent, or they're in our inner cities where drug gangs rule.
Banning flu shots would impact mostly the very young and
very old, mostly the old, since there are so many more nowadays.
Also, you gave up on the whole idea of trying to develop a plan for
peace, decades ago, never ever picked it up.....so you're not even
qualified to speak on the subject!
Do us all a favour and top yourself, you racist goon. The folks most
impacted will be those in areas with third world type conditions. All
your rationalizing is bullshit. You're fine with it as long as it's
non-whites doing the dying.
You don't defeat an idea with objections, criticism, and insults;
you defeat an idea with a BETTER idea, and you don't have one!
Actually, I do and you do not. Racist phuquewits like you topping
themselves is a much better idea than the sort of racist bullshit you
propose, since my suggestion gets rid of idiots while your suggestion
leads to MORE conflict, not less.
When we fought in Iraq, they lost millions while we lost thousands.
When a drought occurs in California, people have to water their
lawns less often. When a drought occurs in South Sudan, there
is widespread famine. Don't even think about "dressing it up",
you "racist pig"!
What does that have to do with your racist scheme to deprive
the third world of preventive medical care?
Your plan is peace through superior firepower. All the black & brown
people in third world countries have inferior firepower. According to
your logic, that's racist as hell!
Nope, because nobody dies until they decide to attack someone.
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You're okay with natural processes, like droughts, doing their thing.
Says who?
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All the black & brown people in third world countries have less
ability to withstand those processes. According to your logic,
that's racist as hell!
If there was a fix for that problem we would apply it, just like we
applied preventive medicine to fix THAT problem.

You're an ignorant fucktard. Stop wasting peoples' time.
--
"The supreme satisfaction is to be able to despise one’s
neighbour and this fact goes far to account for religious
intolerance. It is evidently consoling to reflect that the
people next door are headed for hell."
-- Aleister Crowley
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In private, everyone says that "War is inevitable & there's nothing
you can do about it." That's a hopeless condition, like alcoholism
and drug addiction. The recovery literature says the problem is
"Self-will run riot". The solution is to admit powerlessness, find a
Higher Power, take an inventory, and Practice Unselfish Acts.
It's been working great for 80 years! Nature's prime method of
controlling population, communicable disease, has also been
working well....it ain't broke, so there's no need to fix it!
Well, everyone but racist goons like you. What you say in public is
"Let's arrange for those nasty brown and black people to do more
dying", no matter how you try to dress it up.
No, if we stay the course, those people will continue to suffer
more, because they're in countries where democracy is weaker
or nonexistent, or they're in our inner cities where drug gangs rule.
Banning flu shots would impact mostly the very young and
very old, mostly the old, since there are so many more nowadays.
Also, you gave up on the whole idea of trying to develop a plan for
peace, decades ago, never ever picked it up.....so you're not even
qualified to speak on the subject!
Do us all a favour and top yourself, you racist goon. The folks most
impacted will be those in areas with third world type conditions. All
your rationalizing is bullshit. You're fine with it as long as it's
non-whites doing the dying.
You don't defeat an idea with objections, criticism, and insults;
you defeat an idea with a BETTER idea, and you don't have one!
Actually, I do and you do not. Racist phuquewits like you topping
themselves is a much better idea than the sort of racist bullshit you
propose, since my suggestion gets rid of idiots while your suggestion
leads to MORE conflict, not less.
When we fought in Iraq, they lost millions while we lost thousands.
When a drought occurs in California, people have to water their
lawns less often. When a drought occurs in South Sudan, there
is widespread famine. Don't even think about "dressing it up",
you "racist pig"!
What does that have to do with your racist scheme to deprive
the third world of preventive medical care?
Your plan is peace through superior firepower. All the black & brown
people in third world countries have inferior firepower. According to
your logic, that's racist as hell!
Nope, because nobody dies until they decide to attack someone.
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You're okay with natural processes, like droughts, doing their thing.
Says who?
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All the black & brown people in third world countries have less
ability to withstand those processes. According to your logic,
that's racist as hell!
If there was a fix for that problem we would apply it, just like we
applied preventive medicine to fix THAT problem.
You're an ignorant fucktard. Stop wasting peoples' time.
You still haven't tired of catering to Jonthy's sock puppet?
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2017-03-16 07:23:03 UTC
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In private, everyone says that "War is inevitable & there's nothing
you can do about it." That's a hopeless condition, like alcoholism
and drug addiction. The recovery literature says the problem is
"Self-will run riot". The solution is to admit powerlessness, find a
Higher Power, take an inventory, and Practice Unselfish Acts.
It's been working great for 80 years! Nature's prime method of
controlling population, communicable disease, has also been
working well....it ain't broke, so there's no need to fix it!
Well, everyone but racist goons like you. What you say in public is
"Let's arrange for those nasty brown and black people to do more
dying", no matter how you try to dress it up.
No, if we stay the course, those people will continue to suffer
more, because they're in countries where democracy is weaker
or nonexistent, or they're in our inner cities where drug gangs rule.
Banning flu shots would impact mostly the very young and
very old, mostly the old, since there are so many more nowadays.
Also, you gave up on the whole idea of trying to develop a plan for
peace, decades ago, never ever picked it up.....so you're not even
qualified to speak on the subject!
Do us all a favour and top yourself, you racist goon. The folks most
impacted will be those in areas with third world type conditions. All
your rationalizing is bullshit. You're fine with it as long as it's
non-whites doing the dying.
You don't defeat an idea with objections, criticism, and insults;
you defeat an idea with a BETTER idea, and you don't have one!
Actually, I do and you do not. Racist phuquewits like you topping
themselves is a much better idea than the sort of racist bullshit you
propose, since my suggestion gets rid of idiots while your suggestion
leads to MORE conflict, not less.
When we fought in Iraq, they lost millions while we lost thousands.
When a drought occurs in California, people have to water their
lawns less often. When a drought occurs in South Sudan, there
is widespread famine. Don't even think about "dressing it up",
you "racist pig"!
What does that have to do with your racist scheme to deprive
the third world of preventive medical care?
Your plan is peace through superior firepower. All the black & brown
people in third world countries have inferior firepower. According to
your logic, that's racist as hell!
Nope, because nobody dies until they decide to attack someone.
The attacks are inevitable, because they have inferior democracy
or none at all!
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You're okay with natural processes, like droughts, doing their thing.
Says who?
You can't do anything about it, so what's the difference?
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All the black & brown people in third world countries have less
ability to withstand those processes. According to your logic,
that's racist as hell!
If there was a fix for that problem we would apply it, just like we
applied preventive medicine to fix THAT problem.
But you CREATED a worse problem by doing so. If Syria had
only 3 million people, instead of 24 million, they wouldn't be
having such a terrible civil war!

What will the world be like with 9 or 10 billion, and they
all want to drive?
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Too much that's too stupid for too long.

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Too much that's too stupid for too long.
Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, born 1921:

"I just wonder what it would be like to be reincarnated in an
animal whose species had been so reduced in numbers than it
was in danger of extinction. What would be its feelings toward
the human species whose population explosion had denied it
somewhere to exist... I must confess that I am tempted to ask
for reincarnation as a particularly deadly virus."

Foreword to "If I Were an Animal" (1987) by Fleur Cowles
ISBN 9780688061500

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh
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"I just wonder what it would be like to be reincarnated in an animal whose
species had been so reduced in numbers than it was in danger of
extinction. What would be its feelings toward the human species whose
population explosion had denied it somewhere to exist... I must confess
that I am tempted to ask for reincarnation as a particularly deadly
virus."
Of course no one asks him how would he feel about his heirs being denied
existence...
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"I just wonder what it would be like to be reincarnated in an animal whose
species had been so reduced in numbers than it was in danger of
extinction. What would be its feelings toward the human species whose
population explosion had denied it somewhere to exist... I must confess
that I am tempted to ask for reincarnation as a particularly deadly
virus."
Of course no one asks him how would he feel about his heirs being denied
existence...
It's easy to be flippant when the wars all happen halfway around
the world and you don't have to participate!

jonathan
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Overpopulation is a major cause of conflict, along with
Selfishness Gone Wild, Drug Prohibition, & Unstable Currency.
But how does each contribute?
Selfishness Gone Wild is the biggie, & must come first.
Overpopulation is another form of SGW with the
extending of life spans. Drug Prohibition is the attempt
to legislate morality. Unstable Currency is lack of
understanding of how the Gold Standard works.
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Overpopulation is a major cause of conflict, along with
Selfishness Gone Wild, Drug Prohibition, & Unstable Currency.
But how does each contribute?
Selfishness Gone Wild is the biggie, & must come first.
Overpopulation is another form of SGW with the
extending of life spans. Drug Prohibition is the attempt
to legislate morality. Unstable Currency is lack of
understanding of how the Gold Standard works.
The cause of most human horrors is the attempt
to micromanage or control society from
the top as all your 'solutions' try to do.

Societies, like nature, need to be able
to self organize or design themselves
as a forest does. Bringing with it the
resilience, adaptability and beauty of
nature.

This is accomplished by the critical
interaction of the 'rules of operation'
and 'freedom of interaction'.

For instance, America leads since
our founding fathers established
this 'equation' of nature by the
twin pillars of our society.

The balance between the Constitution
(rules of operation) and our Bill of Rights
(freedom of interaction).

And a stable, strong society without
problems like overpopulation, disease
and instability ...self organizes.

And America becomes an old growth forest
compared to the slash and burned dictator
ravaged regions such as the Middle East and
Africa.

Learn how nature works, then learn how to
design societies to work like nature as
America and many other free market democracies
have. That is the path to stability and
social justice, not quick fixes like you
suggest.
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Overpopulation is a major cause of conflict, along with
Selfishness Gone Wild, Drug Prohibition, & Unstable Currency.
But how does each contribute?
Selfishness Gone Wild is the biggie, & must come first.
Overpopulation is another form of SGW with the
extending of life spans. Drug Prohibition is the attempt
to legislate morality. Unstable Currency is lack of
understanding of how the Gold Standard works.
The cause of most human horrors is the attempt
to micromanage or control society from
the top as all your 'solutions' try to do.
Societies, like nature, need to be able
to self organize or design themselves
as a forest does. Bringing with it the
resilience, adaptability and beauty of
nature.
This is accomplished by the critical
interaction of the 'rules of operation'
and 'freedom of interaction'.
For instance, America leads since
our founding fathers established
this 'equation' of nature by the
twin pillars of our society.
The balance between the Constitution
(rules of operation) and our Bill of Rights
(freedom of interaction).
And a stable, strong society without
problems like overpopulation, disease
and instability ...self organizes.
And America becomes an old growth forest
compared to the slash and burned dictator
ravaged regions such as the Middle East and
Africa.
Learn how nature works, then learn how to
design societies to work like nature as
America and many other free market democracies
have. That is the path to stability and
social justice, not quick fixes like you
suggest.
Nature is harsh! Nature discriminates!
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