Post by Gary Post by wolfbat359 Post by Gary Post by islander
Last night, my wife and I watched the movie "Denial" which is the story
of Deborah Lipstadt, an American history professor who specialized in
Holocaust history and her legal battle with David Irving, a Holocaust
denier. Irving sought the approval of the extreme right by picking
issues that could not be proved and inflating them into a dialog that
discounted the gas chambers and which claimed that Hitler opposed the
abuses against Jews. In the end, a British judge ruled that Irving had
intentionally misrepresented history and had lied to support his bigoted
After the judgement, Irving seemed confused and declared, "I'm not a bigot."
I thought that it was well done and could serve to inform the viewer of
how the political right uses "alternative facts" to manipulate public
I would never deny the holocaust. I have no doubt the Jews suffered a great
deal in those years. But I do not think six million were killed.
According to the head Jew -- there were seven million Jews in Europe in 1937.
Odd! This site says there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe in 1933
Post by Gary
six million died -- then how is it that after the war two million go Israel, a
half million go to America and there were still two or three million in Europe ?
I'd guess the actual number of deaths was closer to two or three million.
BTW, it would take at least a quart of gas to kill a person. I wonder ......
what kind of container did the Germans have that would store six million quarts
of gas ?
The Germans first tried to put them in the back of trucks and Run Carbon Monoxide into the back of the truck! Appears it does not take much Zyklon B gas
As a reference, one can look at "The Merck Index" and the "CRC handbook of Chemistry and Physics", or consult any manual dealing with toxicity and flammability of chemicals. For HCN, a concentration of 300 ppm (parts per million) kills humans within a few minutes, while the minimal concentration that can result in an explosion is 56,000 ppm.
In order to explain my opinion of the holocaust properly -- I will have to make
a lengthy answer to you. I hope you will be patient with my efforts as I try
to explain where I got my numbers from.
I read a book a few years ago. It was written by the one of only two guys to
escape from Auschwitz. Title "I Cannot Forgive" by Rudolf Vrba. Rudy was
Jewish and was from Czechoslovakia. He was there from June 1942 until April
1944. He was also a most courageous man.
When he finally escaped he made his way back home and sought an audience with
the most important Jew in his area. He told him what Auschwitz was like. It
was through him that the West learned about the death camps.
In his book, Vrba quotes the leading Zionist who in 1937 was asked about the
Jewish plight by British Royal Commission. He said --
Here Vrba quotes Weizmann ---
...Doctor Chaim Weizmann, first President of Israel, when he addressed a Zionist
convention in London in 1937 ?
He said: "I told the British Royal Commission that the hopes of Europe's six
million Jews were centered on emigration. I was asked: `Can you bring six
million Jews to Palestine?' I replied: `No.' The old ones will pass. They will
bear their fate or they will not. They are dust, economic and moral dust in a
cruel world . . . only a branch will survive, . . . They had to accept it . . .
If they feel and suffer they will find the way - beachareth hajamin - in the
fullness time ... I pray that we may preserve our national unity, forit is all
This quote has always bothered me. Weizmann was the head European Jew. If he
counted 6 million -- then he was right. His brother was the head Jew in the
USSR. Between them they knew all things. We know that about 3 million European
Jews survived WW2. The numbers don't add up. To put it nicely.
It appears there were 6 million Jews in Russia, Romania in 1900! I am sure a lot of those died in WWII. Odd this 6 million figure seems to always be floated around for Europe, Russia and Russia-Romania. In fact it says "Originally Posted by New York Times, November 1st, 1905
From 1800 to 1902 he caused 6,000,000 Jewish families to be expelled from Russia [...]" So six Million Jews out of Russia and where to and according to the article there were still 6 million Jews in Russia! The 6 million seems to be bandied about from 1900 in diverse situations. I find it hard to take it serious! I there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe then the figures become more real! If you study the dates and sayings you come up with 6 million for everything, Course in 1937, there was a figure of 2,000,000 Jews to Israel - http://www.truetorahjews.org/weizmann:
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Originally Posted by Stephen S. Wise, New York Times, June 11, 1900
There are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism.
Originally Posted by Encyclopaedia Britannica, 10th Edition, 1902, page 482
While there are in Russia and Rumania six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded...
Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), September 18th, 1903, page 6
[...] six million downtrodden brethren.
Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), February 19th, 1904, page 2
[...] where five or six million people existed under persecution.
Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), October 7th, 1904
[...] the final and definite deliverance of the six millions of Russian, Roumanian and Galician Jews [...] transporting five or six million people over the sea.
Originally Posted by New York Times, January 29th, 1905
He declared that a free and a happy Russia, with its 6,000,000 Jews, would possibly mean the end of Zionism, since the abolition of the autocracy would practically eliminate the causes that brought Zionism into existence.