Gloom, Doom

[rumpelstiltskin]

Well I guess the Republicans are going to get their
tax bill passed. That will mean more money for
the wealthy, and more cutbacks for the less wealthy.
How do I know this? Because that's what the
Republicans ALWAYS do, every goddammed time.
They believe in trickle-down, which has never
worked in the history of the world, but they're
always confident it's going to work this time.
(Actually, of course, they're just doing what's best
for their wealthy benefactors, with all manner of
shyster stratagems for duping the rubes into
thinking it's something else.)

They also may get their health bill passed, which
will help the overpopulation problem, and produce
great savings for billionaires, but there won't be
enough people left alive who do the real work.

We also may be headed for losing net neutrality,
which will be the end of the internet as we know it.
My son has Netflix, and since he can add two
subscribers, he added me. I looked up "Lord of
the Flies" on Netflix. They didn't have it. But they
had lots of helpful suggestions that had absolutely
no connection to Lord of the Flies except that
they all featured boys, and from what I would
guess were all insulting Hollywood pap. Lord of
the Flies is readily available on Youtube, both
the fierce English version and the relatively
insipid (or so I've heard and so I would expect)
American version. (I've never watched the
American version.) Both versions are on YouTube,
but If net neutrality ends, one of the first things
the providers are going to slow down to an
intolerable crawl will be YouTube, because the
individual providers will want to shove whatever
utter crap they feature down their customers'
throats, and they can do it because it will be the
only thing the customers can get and (they think
and it may be true) their customers will always
watch something, no matter how bad it is, if
nothing better is available.

---

Oh well. I needed to get those issues off my
chest, just to palliate my psychological pain.

[GLOBALIST]

Post by rumpelstiltskin
Well I guess the Republicans are going to get their
tax bill passed. That will mean more money for
the wealthy, and more cutbacks for the less wealthy.
How do I know this? Because that's what the
Republicans ALWAYS do, every goddammed time.
They believe in trickle-down, which has never
worked in the history of the world, but they're
always confident it's going to work this time.
(Actually, of course, they're just doing what's best
for their wealthy benefactors, with all manner of
shyster stratagems for duping the rubes into
thinking it's something else.)
They also may get their health bill passed, which
will help the overpopulation problem, and produce
great savings for billionaires, but there won't be
enough people left alive who do the real work.
We also may be headed for losing net neutrality,
which will be the end of the internet as we know it.
My son has Netflix, and since he can add two
subscribers, he added me. I looked up "Lord of
the Flies" on Netflix. They didn't have it. But they
had lots of helpful suggestions that had absolutely
no connection to Lord of the Flies except that
they all featured boys, and from what I would
guess were all insulting Hollywood pap. Lord of
the Flies is readily available on Youtube, both
the fierce English version and the relatively
insipid (or so I've heard and so I would expect)
American version. (I've never watched the
American version.) Both versions are on YouTube,
but If net neutrality ends, one of the first things
the providers are going to slow down to an
intolerable crawl will be YouTube, because the
individual providers will want to shove whatever
utter crap they feature down their customers'
throats, and they can do it because it will be the
only thing the customers can get and (they think
and it may be true) their customers will always
watch something, no matter how bad it is, if
nothing better is available.
---
Oh well. I needed to get those issues off my
chest, just to palliate my psychological pain.

Same ole wives' tales....
Pres Trump is for the rich and
the poor will be poorer.
The bill isn't passed yet and everyone
is an expert on it.

[Jack Fate]

Post by GLOBALIST

Post by rumpelstiltskin
Well I guess the Republicans are going to get their
tax bill passed. That will mean more money for
the wealthy, and more cutbacks for the less wealthy.
How do I know this? Because that's what the
Republicans ALWAYS do, every goddammed time.
They believe in trickle-down, which has never
worked in the history of the world, but they're
always confident it's going to work this time.
(Actually, of course, they're just doing what's best
for their wealthy benefactors, with all manner of
shyster stratagems for duping the rubes into
thinking it's something else.)
They also may get their health bill passed, which
will help the overpopulation problem, and produce
great savings for billionaires, but there won't be
enough people left alive who do the real work.
We also may be headed for losing net neutrality,
which will be the end of the internet as we know it.
My son has Netflix, and since he can add two
subscribers, he added me. I looked up "Lord of
the Flies" on Netflix. They didn't have it. But they
had lots of helpful suggestions that had absolutely
no connection to Lord of the Flies except that
they all featured boys, and from what I would
guess were all insulting Hollywood pap. Lord of
the Flies is readily available on Youtube, both
the fierce English version and the relatively
insipid (or so I've heard and so I would expect)
American version. (I've never watched the
American version.) Both versions are on YouTube,
but If net neutrality ends, one of the first things
the providers are going to slow down to an
intolerable crawl will be YouTube, because the
individual providers will want to shove whatever
utter crap they feature down their customers'
throats, and they can do it because it will be the
only thing the customers can get and (they think
and it may be true) their customers will always
watch something, no matter how bad it is, if
nothing better is available.
---
Oh well. I needed to get those issues off my
chest, just to palliate my psychological pain.

Same ole wives' tales....
Pres Trump is for the rich and
the poor will be poorer.
The bill isn't passed yet and everyone
is an expert on it.

You most certainly aren't. The bill has been analyzed by experts and the
rich will benefit BIGLY and the rest not one fucking nickle. You are in
your usual stupid denial again.

[Tzatz Ziki]

You

"...but I will no longer be posting here. No one here is going to change
so, basically, I'm wasting the little time I have left by posting to
this obscure little group full of stupid bigoted and racist Trump
lovers."

[me]

Picture Obama on a campaign stop saying:

'I won't allow the half of Americans who pay no taxes to bear the burden of the other half who aren't paying their fair share.'

That sums it up nicely.
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“The first and most important thing to understand about politics is this: forget Right, Left, Center, socialism, fascism, or democracy. Every government that exists — or ever existed, or ever will exist — is a kleptocracy, meaning ‘rule by thieves.’ Competing ideologies merely provide different excuses to separate the Productive Class from what they produce. If the taxpayer/voters won’t willingly fork over to end poverty, then maybe they’ll cough up to fight drugs or terrorism. Conflicting ideologies, as presently constituted, are nothing more than a cover for what’s really going on, like the colors of competing gangs.” — Author L. Neil Smith


Frederic Bastiat, a 19th c. French classical liberal thinker had some wise observations.      
“Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.”

He also said, “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."

[b***@gmail.com]

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And your solution to this is....?

[me]

If you value ‘equality’ you should support the flat tax. Anything else is exploitation.

[b***@gmail.com]

If you value ‘equality’ you should support the flat tax. Anything else is >exploitation.

How about a value added tax (VAT)? Do away with all other taxes.
Would that work for you?

[me]

That would work for me. But triage would still follow. Countries in Europe have both VAT and progressive income taxes yet are still bankrupt. Would you agree spending is the problem? The ‘solution’ can only be ‘less government’. It will be. That’s because what can not be paid will not be paid.

[rumpelstiltskin]

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And your solution to this is....?

I have Werner nuked, so I don't know what he
wrote, but please don't bother letting me know!

[islander]

Post by rumpelstiltskin
Well I guess the Republicans are going to get their
tax bill passed. That will mean more money for
the wealthy, and more cutbacks for the less wealthy.
How do I know this? Because that's what the
Republicans ALWAYS do, every goddammed time.
They believe in trickle-down, which has never
worked in the history of the world, but they're
always confident it's going to work this time.
(Actually, of course, they're just doing what's best
for their wealthy benefactors, with all manner of
shyster stratagems for duping the rubes into
thinking it's something else.)

The Republicans will attempt to push the tax bill through next week, but
it is looking increasingly unlikely to get through the Senate. Some of
the more moderate Republicans are looking at what happened in Virginia
and Alabama and are having second thoughts about pushing this turkey
through. With two Senators in the hospital, they may not have the
votes. Pence has canceled his trip to Israel so that he can be
available if the vote ends up tied. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic,
but people are catching on to the Republican shenanigans.

[rumpelstiltskin]

Post by islander

Post by rumpelstiltskin
Well I guess the Republicans are going to get their
tax bill passed. That will mean more money for
the wealthy, and more cutbacks for the less wealthy.
How do I know this? Because that's what the
Republicans ALWAYS do, every goddammed time.
They believe in trickle-down, which has never
worked in the history of the world, but they're
always confident it's going to work this time.
(Actually, of course, they're just doing what's best
for their wealthy benefactors, with all manner of
shyster stratagems for duping the rubes into
thinking it's something else.)

The Republicans will attempt to push the tax bill through next week, but
it is looking increasingly unlikely to get through the Senate. Some of
the more moderate Republicans are looking at what happened in Virginia
and Alabama and are having second thoughts about pushing this turkey
through. With two Senators in the hospital, they may not have the
votes. Pence has canceled his trip to Israel so that he can be
available if the vote ends up tied. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic,
but people are catching on to the Republican shenanigans.

After watching this morning's news, I'm a lot
more hopeful that the tax bill will fail. I've seen
a couple of commentators this morning noting
that this tax bill would result in a greater, not a
smaller, total tax burden on middle class people.

Maybe people are starting to realize what
eliminating the health insurance mandate
will mean too: more people that we have to
take care of somehow from the public coffers,
or let them die on the street.

[b***@gmail.com]

Post by rumpelstiltskin
After watching this morning's news, I'm a lot
more hopeful that the tax bill will fail.

From your mouth to God's ear but the Republican tax scam will pass.

They need something to croak about and this is the penultimate gasp.

"Lo, it shall come to pass and there shall be wailing and
pissing in the street by the multitudes! The Rabble shall be
vexed and reduced to rubble." ~ The Whiz

[rumpelstiltskin]

Post by b***@gmail.com

Post by rumpelstiltskin
After watching this morning's news, I'm a lot
more hopeful that the tax bill will fail.

From your mouth to God's ear but the Republican tax scam will pass.

Yep, I've lost most of my optimism since I originally posted.

Post by b***@gmail.com
They need something to croak about and this is the penultimate gasp.
"Lo, it shall come to pass and there shall be wailing and
pissing in the street by the multitudes! The Rabble shall be
vexed and reduced to rubble." ~ The Whiz

That there will be, apparently.

[islander]

Post by rumpelstiltskin

Post by b***@gmail.com

Post by rumpelstiltskin
After watching this morning's news, I'm a lot
more hopeful that the tax bill will fail.

From your mouth to God's ear but the Republican tax scam will pass.

Yep, I've lost most of my optimism since I originally posted.

Post by b***@gmail.com
They need something to croak about and this is the penultimate gasp.
"Lo, it shall come to pass and there shall be wailing and
pissing in the street by the multitudes! The Rabble shall be
vexed and reduced to rubble." ~ The Whiz

That there will be, apparently.

Last evening's news was not optimistic. Rubio got a bump in the child
tax credit and flipped back to a yes vote. Several other Senators got
promises of things that they wanted.

Hopefully everyone will take a good hard look at it over the weekend.

Pay close attention to when elements of the plan will change. It looks
to me as if there are sweeteners at the beginning, but watch out what
happens in the future. It looks like the Congress is taking a lesson
from the private sector - teaser rates up front and then increases
later. Only there is no assurance that you can drop out after the
"introductory rate!"

[rumpelstiltskin]

Post by islander

Post by rumpelstiltskin

Post by b***@gmail.com

Post by rumpelstiltskin
After watching this morning's news, I'm a lot
more hopeful that the tax bill will fail.

From your mouth to God's ear but the Republican tax scam will pass.

Yep, I've lost most of my optimism since I originally posted.

Post by b***@gmail.com
They need something to croak about and this is the penultimate gasp.
"Lo, it shall come to pass and there shall be wailing and
pissing in the street by the multitudes! The Rabble shall be
vexed and reduced to rubble." ~ The Whiz

That there will be, apparently.

Last evening's news was not optimistic. Rubio got a bump in the child
tax credit and flipped back to a yes vote. Several other Senators got
promises of things that they wanted.
Hopefully everyone will take a good hard look at it over the weekend.
Pay close attention to when elements of the plan will change. It looks
to me as if there are sweeteners at the beginning, but watch out what
happens in the future. It looks like the Congress is taking a lesson
from the private sector - teaser rates up front and then increases
later. Only there is no assurance that you can drop out after the
"introductory rate!"

I took a teaser rate for AT&T internet and telephone last January
which is almost over now. I was never actually given the rate I
was promised over the telephone and which was confirmed at the
time of installation. The tech support at AT&T is horrible beyond
belief. First you talk to people who don't know anything but how
to read from scripts, then after a 15 minute wait you might get
hold of somebody who knows a little something, but not about your
specific problem. That would require another 15 minute wait, but
I never got that far because I was too angry by then. I got better
results by going to the AT&T office in San Francisco, talking to
nice people, but their help turned out to be flawed. One time, I
actually was given an alternate plan that was within pennies of
the plan I had agreed to, but after the first month, my next bill
jumped up eight dollars again.

I keep seeing ads on TV for stuff that says "No payments for
six months" followed by enthusiastic actor husband/wife teams
gushing "Oh, isn't that wonderful!" I guess people must be
actually falling for that, or the companies wouldn't keep doing it.

[Dan C]

Well I guess the Republicans are going to get their tax bill passed.
That will mean more money for the wealthy, and more cutbacks for the
less wealthy. How do I know this? Because that's what the Republicans
ALWAYS do, every goddammed time.
They believe in trickle-down, which has never worked in the history of
the world, but they're always confident it's going to work this time.
(Actually, of course, they're just doing what's best for their wealthy
benefactors, with all manner of shyster stratagems for duping the rubes
into thinking it's something else.)
They also may get their health bill passed, which
will help the overpopulation problem, and produce great savings for
billionaires, but there won't be enough people left alive who do the
real work.
We also may be headed for losing net neutrality,
which will be the end of the internet as we know it. My son has Netflix,
and since he can add two subscribers, he added me. I looked up "Lord of
the Flies" on Netflix. They didn't have it. But they had lots of
helpful suggestions that had absolutely no connection to Lord of the
Flies except that they all featured boys, and from what I would guess
were all insulting Hollywood pap. Lord of the Flies is readily
available on Youtube, both the fierce English version and the relatively
insipid (or so I've heard and so I would expect) American version.
(I've never watched the American version.) Both versions are on
YouTube,
but If net neutrality ends, one of the first things the providers are
going to slow down to an intolerable crawl will be YouTube, because the
individual providers will want to shove whatever utter crap they feature
down their customers' throats, and they can do it because it will be the
only thing the customers can get and (they think and it may be true)
their customers will always watch something, no matter how bad it is, if
nothing better is available.
---
Oh well. I needed to get those issues off my
chest, just to palliate my psychological pain.

If you fucking hate America so much, why don't you just fucking leave?

Better yet, off yourself.