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White Nationalist Richard Spencer Just Got Kicked Out Of Europe
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Heirloom
2018-07-08 14:04:59 UTC
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https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/
GLOBALIST
2018-07-08 14:27:04 UTC
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On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 9:05:01 AM UTC-5, Heirloom wrote:
> https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/

I have no clue who he is and have never even heard of his
name before
Heirloom
2018-07-08 14:34:51 UTC
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GLOBALIST wrote:
> On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 9:05:01 AM UTC-5, Heirloom wrote:
>> https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/
>
> I have no clue who he is and have never even heard of his
> name before
>

Educate yourself, ignorant cunt:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer

He's one of your MAGA boys, stupid.
Gary
2018-07-08 16:31:02 UTC
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 16:04:59 +0200, Heirloom
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>https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/

He seems like a pretty nice man. People who don't like him
appear to be pretty stupid. For instance -- one said:

"...Spencer has been described as a neo-Nazi..."

A neo nazi ? "Nazi" is a Jewish word meaning people who
live in the "Land of Naz". Which is the ancient Jewish
word for what is now Germany. Spencer's ancestors may have
been from Naz. But he was born in a Virginia town where I
use to live as a teenager.
Heirloom
2018-07-08 16:35:11 UTC
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Gary wrote:
> A neo nazi ? "Nazi" is a Jewish word meaning people who
> live in the "Land of Naz".

Do you know the difference between connotation and denotation, sport?
Gary
2018-07-10 22:50:59 UTC
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 18:35:11 +0200, Heirloom
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>Gary wrote:
>> A neo nazi ? "Nazi" is a Jewish word meaning people who
>> live in the "Land of Naz".
>
>Do you know the difference between connotation and denotation, sport?

Of course I do. One starts with a "con" and the other
"de".
El Castor
2018-07-11 00:50:37 UTC
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:31:02 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 16:04:59 +0200, Heirloom
><***@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/
>
>He seems like a pretty nice man. People who don't like him
>appear to be pretty stupid. For instance -- one said:
>
>"...Spencer has been described as a neo-Nazi..."

He tells the truth about Muslims, so the Left calls him names.

>A neo nazi ? "Nazi" is a Jewish word meaning people who
>live in the "Land of Naz". Which is the ancient Jewish
>word for what is now Germany. Spencer's ancestors may have
>been from Naz. But he was born in a Virginia town where I
>use to live as a teenager.
Gary! for the Nth time! Aieeeeee!!! It's just a contraction of the
German words - National+sozialist = Nazi.
Gary
2018-07-11 11:45:05 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:50:37 -0700, El Castor
<***@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:31:02 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 16:04:59 +0200, Heirloom
>><***@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/
>>
>>He seems like a pretty nice man. People who don't like him
>>appear to be pretty stupid. For instance -- one said:
>>
>>"...Spencer has been described as a neo-Nazi..."
>
>He tells the truth about Muslims, so the Left calls him names.
>
>>A neo nazi ? "Nazi" is a Jewish word meaning people who
>>live in the "Land of Naz". Which is the ancient Jewish
>>word for what is now Germany. Spencer's ancestors may have
>>been from Naz. But he was born in a Virginia town where I
>>use to live as a teenager.
> Gary! for the Nth time! Aieeeeee!!! It's just a contraction of the
>German words - National+sozialist = Nazi.

As an Army brat -- I was taught that definition by some of
the soldiers who had defeated the Krauts in 1945. The
definition -- they had been taught by the Jewish
journalists.

Let me see if I understand is. In Hebrew/Yiddish the word
"ashke" means "our beloved". So -- by your definition --
an Ashkenazi Jew would mean -- "Our beloved -- who is a
national socialist".

Or ... does it mean "Our beloved who lives in the land of
the Germans"? (those damn krauts !)

Just because we love the Jews -- we don't have to accept all
their BS.
El Castor
2018-07-11 19:14:45 UTC
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:45:05 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:50:37 -0700, El Castor
><***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:31:02 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 16:04:59 +0200, Heirloom
>>><***@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/
>>>
>>>He seems like a pretty nice man. People who don't like him
>>>appear to be pretty stupid. For instance -- one said:
>>>
>>>"...Spencer has been described as a neo-Nazi..."
>>
>>He tells the truth about Muslims, so the Left calls him names.
>>
>>>A neo nazi ? "Nazi" is a Jewish word meaning people who
>>>live in the "Land of Naz". Which is the ancient Jewish
>>>word for what is now Germany. Spencer's ancestors may have
>>>been from Naz. But he was born in a Virginia town where I
>>>use to live as a teenager.
>> Gary! for the Nth time! Aieeeeee!!! It's just a contraction of the
>>German words - National+sozialist = Nazi.
>
>As an Army brat -- I was taught that definition by some of
>the soldiers who had defeated the Krauts in 1945. The
>definition -- they had been taught by the Jewish
>journalists.
>
>Let me see if I understand is. In Hebrew/Yiddish the word
>"ashke" means "our beloved". So -- by your definition --
>an Ashkenazi Jew would mean -- "Our beloved -- who is a
>national socialist".
>
>Or ... does it mean "Our beloved who lives in the land of
>the Germans"? (those damn krauts !)
>
>Just because we love the Jews -- we don't have to accept all
>their BS.
>
Well, you were taught wrong. The only BS is yours.

Here is a much longer explanation of the origin of the word, Nazi. It
seems that it originated as a term used to describe a clumsy rural
numb skull (what we would call a Hick) in the province of Bavaria.
When Hitler's National Sozialist movement got going, opponents
shortened the name to Nazi, which apparently greatly annoyed Hitler,
but it came into common use among his opponents. The Jewish word
Ashkenazi is unrelated, but ignorant anti-semites sometimes invent a
relationship.
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-relation-in-etymology-between-the-words-Ashkenazi-and-Nazi

BTW -- what is this Jewish "BS" we don't have to accept??
Gary
2018-07-11 19:36:54 UTC
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:14:45 -0700, El Castor
<***@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:45:05 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:50:37 -0700, El Castor
>><***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:31:02 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 16:04:59 +0200, Heirloom
>>>><***@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/
>>>>
>>>>He seems like a pretty nice man. People who don't like him
>>>>appear to be pretty stupid. For instance -- one said:
>>>>
>>>>"...Spencer has been described as a neo-Nazi..."
>>>
>>>He tells the truth about Muslims, so the Left calls him names.
>>>
>>>>A neo nazi ? "Nazi" is a Jewish word meaning people who
>>>>live in the "Land of Naz". Which is the ancient Jewish
>>>>word for what is now Germany. Spencer's ancestors may have
>>>>been from Naz. But he was born in a Virginia town where I
>>>>use to live as a teenager.
>>> Gary! for the Nth time! Aieeeeee!!! It's just a contraction of the
>>>German words - National+sozialist = Nazi.
>>
>>As an Army brat -- I was taught that definition by some of
>>the soldiers who had defeated the Krauts in 1945. The
>>definition -- they had been taught by the Jewish
>>journalists.
>>
>>Let me see if I understand is. In Hebrew/Yiddish the word
>>"ashke" means "our beloved". So -- by your definition --
>>an Ashkenazi Jew would mean -- "Our beloved -- who is a
>>national socialist".
>>
>>Or ... does it mean "Our beloved who lives in the land of
>>the Germans"? (those damn krauts !)
>>
>>Just because we love the Jews -- we don't have to accept all
>>their BS.
>>
>Well, you were taught wrong. The only BS is yours.
>
>Here is a much longer explanation of the origin of the word, Nazi. It
>seems that it originated as a term used to describe a clumsy rural
>numb skull (what we would call a Hick) in the province of Bavaria.
>When Hitler's National Sozialist movement got going, opponents
>shortened the name to Nazi, which apparently greatly annoyed Hitler,
>but it came into common use among his opponents.

This is something I have been wondering about.

Quote --

"...The Germans, not even Hitler nor any other top party
officials ever called themselves “Nazis”! ..."

My thoughts have been that if I could see an example of the
use of the word "nazi" by a German official -- I would say I
had been wrong. But this statement proves -- rather than
disproves it.

=========================================

> The Jewish word
>Ashkenazi is unrelated, but ignorant anti-semites sometimes invent a
>relationship.
>https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-relation-in-etymology-between-the-words-Ashkenazi-and-Nazi

OK, this here proves me and my theory about Ashkenazi is
wrong. If I had known the word was mentioned in the bible
-- I would have accepted it long ago.

Genesis 10:3

"The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal,
Meshech, and Tiras. 3The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath,
and Togarmah."

>BTW -- what is this Jewish "BS" we don't have to accept??

I only have a limited amount of time and space :-)

(I'll discuss it later)

==============================================

This thought makes a case against the conservative hating
liberals who accuse people of being "neo-nazi" :

"...that there is also no such thing as a “Neo-Nazi” either.
Those who would describe themselves as such are as ignorant
as those who say they hate “Nazis” – they are equally
deceived..."
El Castor
2018-07-11 23:06:56 UTC
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:36:54 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:14:45 -0700, El Castor
><***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:45:05 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:50:37 -0700, El Castor
>>><***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:31:02 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 16:04:59 +0200, Heirloom
>>>>><***@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/
>>>>>
>>>>>He seems like a pretty nice man. People who don't like him
>>>>>appear to be pretty stupid. For instance -- one said:
>>>>>
>>>>>"...Spencer has been described as a neo-Nazi..."
>>>>
>>>>He tells the truth about Muslims, so the Left calls him names.
>>>>
>>>>>A neo nazi ? "Nazi" is a Jewish word meaning people who
>>>>>live in the "Land of Naz". Which is the ancient Jewish
>>>>>word for what is now Germany. Spencer's ancestors may have
>>>>>been from Naz. But he was born in a Virginia town where I
>>>>>use to live as a teenager.
>>>> Gary! for the Nth time! Aieeeeee!!! It's just a contraction of the
>>>>German words - National+sozialist = Nazi.
>>>
>>>As an Army brat -- I was taught that definition by some of
>>>the soldiers who had defeated the Krauts in 1945. The
>>>definition -- they had been taught by the Jewish
>>>journalists.
>>>
>>>Let me see if I understand is. In Hebrew/Yiddish the word
>>>"ashke" means "our beloved". So -- by your definition --
>>>an Ashkenazi Jew would mean -- "Our beloved -- who is a
>>>national socialist".
>>>
>>>Or ... does it mean "Our beloved who lives in the land of
>>>the Germans"? (those damn krauts !)
>>>
>>>Just because we love the Jews -- we don't have to accept all
>>>their BS.
>>>
>>Well, you were taught wrong. The only BS is yours.
>>
>>Here is a much longer explanation of the origin of the word, Nazi. It
>>seems that it originated as a term used to describe a clumsy rural
>>numb skull (what we would call a Hick) in the province of Bavaria.
>>When Hitler's National Sozialist movement got going, opponents
>>shortened the name to Nazi, which apparently greatly annoyed Hitler,
>>but it came into common use among his opponents.
>
>This is something I have been wondering about.
>
>Quote --
>
>"...The Germans, not even Hitler nor any other top party
>officials ever called themselves “Nazis”! ..."
>
>My thoughts have been that if I could see an example of the
>use of the word "nazi" by a German official -- I would say I
>had been wrong. But this statement proves -- rather than
>disproves it.
>
>=========================================
>
>> The Jewish word
>>Ashkenazi is unrelated, but ignorant anti-semites sometimes invent a
>>relationship.
>>https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-relation-in-etymology-between-the-words-Ashkenazi-and-Nazi
>
>OK, this here proves me and my theory about Ashkenazi is
>wrong. If I had known the word was mentioned in the bible
>-- I would have accepted it long ago.
>
>Genesis 10:3
>
>"The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal,
>Meshech, and Tiras. 3The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath,
>and Togarmah."
>
>>BTW -- what is this Jewish "BS" we don't have to accept??
>
>I only have a limited amount of time and space :-)
>
>(I'll discuss it later)
>
>==============================================
>
>This thought makes a case against the conservative hating
>liberals who accuse people of being "neo-nazi" :
>
>"...that there is also no such thing as a “Neo-Nazi” either.
>Those who would describe themselves as such are as ignorant
>as those who say they hate “Nazis” – they are equally
>deceived..."
>
Oh there were Nazis, but they didn't call themselves that -- they were
members of the National Socialist Workers Party, or
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. People who didn't like
them called them Nazis, so Neo-Nazi, if there is such a thing, is the
same idea, and intended as a pejorative. Personally, I think liberals
are a little too free with that expression. For some, it seems like
anyone who they disagree with is a Neo-Nazi.
islander
2018-07-11 23:32:18 UTC
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On 7/11/2018 4:06 PM, El Castor wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:36:54 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:14:45 -0700, El Castor
>> <***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:45:05 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:50:37 -0700, El Castor
>>>> <***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:31:02 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 16:04:59 +0200, Heirloom
>>>>>> <***@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He seems like a pretty nice man. People who don't like him
>>>>>> appear to be pretty stupid. For instance -- one said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "...Spencer has been described as a neo-Nazi..."
>>>>>
>>>>> He tells the truth about Muslims, so the Left calls him names.
>>>>>
>>>>>> A neo nazi ? "Nazi" is a Jewish word meaning people who
>>>>>> live in the "Land of Naz". Which is the ancient Jewish
>>>>>> word for what is now Germany. Spencer's ancestors may have
>>>>>> been from Naz. But he was born in a Virginia town where I
>>>>>> use to live as a teenager.
>>>>> Gary! for the Nth time! Aieeeeee!!! It's just a contraction of the
>>>>> German words - National+sozialist = Nazi.
>>>>
>>>> As an Army brat -- I was taught that definition by some of
>>>> the soldiers who had defeated the Krauts in 1945. The
>>>> definition -- they had been taught by the Jewish
>>>> journalists.
>>>>
>>>> Let me see if I understand is. In Hebrew/Yiddish the word
>>>> "ashke" means "our beloved". So -- by your definition --
>>>> an Ashkenazi Jew would mean -- "Our beloved -- who is a
>>>> national socialist".
>>>>
>>>> Or ... does it mean "Our beloved who lives in the land of
>>>> the Germans"? (those damn krauts !)
>>>>
>>>> Just because we love the Jews -- we don't have to accept all
>>>> their BS.
>>>>
>>> Well, you were taught wrong. The only BS is yours.
>>>
>>> Here is a much longer explanation of the origin of the word, Nazi. It
>>> seems that it originated as a term used to describe a clumsy rural
>>> numb skull (what we would call a Hick) in the province of Bavaria.
>>> When Hitler's National Sozialist movement got going, opponents
>>> shortened the name to Nazi, which apparently greatly annoyed Hitler,
>>> but it came into common use among his opponents.
>>
>> This is something I have been wondering about.
>>
>> Quote --
>>
>> "...The Germans, not even Hitler nor any other top party
>> officials ever called themselves “Nazis”! ..."
>>
>> My thoughts have been that if I could see an example of the
>> use of the word "nazi" by a German official -- I would say I
>> had been wrong. But this statement proves -- rather than
>> disproves it.
>>
>> =========================================
>>
>>> The Jewish word
>>> Ashkenazi is unrelated, but ignorant anti-semites sometimes invent a
>>> relationship.
>>> https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-relation-in-etymology-between-the-words-Ashkenazi-and-Nazi
>>
>> OK, this here proves me and my theory about Ashkenazi is
>> wrong. If I had known the word was mentioned in the bible
>> -- I would have accepted it long ago.
>>
>> Genesis 10:3
>>
>> "The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal,
>> Meshech, and Tiras. 3The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath,
>> and Togarmah."
>>
>>> BTW -- what is this Jewish "BS" we don't have to accept??
>>
>> I only have a limited amount of time and space :-)
>>
>> (I'll discuss it later)
>>
>> ==============================================
>>
>> This thought makes a case against the conservative hating
>> liberals who accuse people of being "neo-nazi" :
>>
>> "...that there is also no such thing as a “Neo-Nazi” either.
>> Those who would describe themselves as such are as ignorant
>> as those who say they hate “Nazis” – they are equally
>> deceived..."
>>
> Oh there were Nazis, but they didn't call themselves that -- they were
> members of the National Socialist Workers Party, or
> Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. People who didn't like
> them called them Nazis, so Neo-Nazi, if there is such a thing, is the
> same idea, and intended as a pejorative. Personally, I think liberals
> are a little too free with that expression. For some, it seems like
> anyone who they disagree with is a Neo-Nazi.
>
Like the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville last August
chanting "Jews will not replace us?" Were they neo-Nazis or just kids
out for a good time? "Good people on both sides?" I don't think so!
El Castor
2018-07-12 01:46:20 UTC
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:32:18 -0700, islander <***@priracy.com> wrote:

>On 7/11/2018 4:06 PM, El Castor wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:36:54 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:14:45 -0700, El Castor
>>> <***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:45:05 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:50:37 -0700, El Castor
>>>>> <***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:31:02 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 16:04:59 +0200, Heirloom
>>>>>>> <***@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He seems like a pretty nice man. People who don't like him
>>>>>>> appear to be pretty stupid. For instance -- one said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "...Spencer has been described as a neo-Nazi..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He tells the truth about Muslims, so the Left calls him names.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A neo nazi ? "Nazi" is a Jewish word meaning people who
>>>>>>> live in the "Land of Naz". Which is the ancient Jewish
>>>>>>> word for what is now Germany. Spencer's ancestors may have
>>>>>>> been from Naz. But he was born in a Virginia town where I
>>>>>>> use to live as a teenager.
>>>>>> Gary! for the Nth time! Aieeeeee!!! It's just a contraction of the
>>>>>> German words - National+sozialist = Nazi.
>>>>>
>>>>> As an Army brat -- I was taught that definition by some of
>>>>> the soldiers who had defeated the Krauts in 1945. The
>>>>> definition -- they had been taught by the Jewish
>>>>> journalists.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me see if I understand is. In Hebrew/Yiddish the word
>>>>> "ashke" means "our beloved". So -- by your definition --
>>>>> an Ashkenazi Jew would mean -- "Our beloved -- who is a
>>>>> national socialist".
>>>>>
>>>>> Or ... does it mean "Our beloved who lives in the land of
>>>>> the Germans"? (those damn krauts !)
>>>>>
>>>>> Just because we love the Jews -- we don't have to accept all
>>>>> their BS.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, you were taught wrong. The only BS is yours.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a much longer explanation of the origin of the word, Nazi. It
>>>> seems that it originated as a term used to describe a clumsy rural
>>>> numb skull (what we would call a Hick) in the province of Bavaria.
>>>> When Hitler's National Sozialist movement got going, opponents
>>>> shortened the name to Nazi, which apparently greatly annoyed Hitler,
>>>> but it came into common use among his opponents.
>>>
>>> This is something I have been wondering about.
>>>
>>> Quote --
>>>
>>> "...The Germans, not even Hitler nor any other top party
>>> officials ever called themselves “Nazis”! ..."
>>>
>>> My thoughts have been that if I could see an example of the
>>> use of the word "nazi" by a German official -- I would say I
>>> had been wrong. But this statement proves -- rather than
>>> disproves it.
>>>
>>> =========================================
>>>
>>>> The Jewish word
>>>> Ashkenazi is unrelated, but ignorant anti-semites sometimes invent a
>>>> relationship.
>>>> https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-relation-in-etymology-between-the-words-Ashkenazi-and-Nazi
>>>
>>> OK, this here proves me and my theory about Ashkenazi is
>>> wrong. If I had known the word was mentioned in the bible
>>> -- I would have accepted it long ago.
>>>
>>> Genesis 10:3
>>>
>>> "The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal,
>>> Meshech, and Tiras. 3The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath,
>>> and Togarmah."
>>>
>>>> BTW -- what is this Jewish "BS" we don't have to accept??
>>>
>>> I only have a limited amount of time and space :-)
>>>
>>> (I'll discuss it later)
>>>
>>> ==============================================
>>>
>>> This thought makes a case against the conservative hating
>>> liberals who accuse people of being "neo-nazi" :
>>>
>>> "...that there is also no such thing as a “Neo-Nazi” either.
>>> Those who would describe themselves as such are as ignorant
>>> as those who say they hate “Nazis” – they are equally
>>> deceived..."
>>>
>> Oh there were Nazis, but they didn't call themselves that -- they were
>> members of the National Socialist Workers Party, or
>> Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. People who didn't like
>> them called them Nazis, so Neo-Nazi, if there is such a thing, is the
>> same idea, and intended as a pejorative. Personally, I think liberals
>> are a little too free with that expression. For some, it seems like
>> anyone who they disagree with is a Neo-Nazi.
>>
>Like the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville last August
>chanting "Jews will not replace us?" Were they neo-Nazis or just kids
>out for a good time? "Good people on both sides?" I don't think so!

The Charlottesville marchers you referred to were NOT (in my opinion)
good people, but they have a right to peacefully demonstrate --
wouldn't you agree? Does being "not good" confer a right on those who
disagree with them to beat them with a club? Do "peaceful" marchers
wear masks and carry clubs. FYI -- the demonstrators in the following
photo are not Neo-Nazis, they are from your side of the aisle, so of
course they get a pass. Right?
https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/gettyimages-830767670.jpg?quality=85

Here are members of the Left gathered in Berkeley. Good people? OK?
https://i0.wp.com/thepoliticalinsider.com/content/uploads/2017/08/1a-1504209288.jpg?resize=600%2C352
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pAueKluaYXg/maxresdefault.jpg

Antifa's bad behavior doesn't excuse Neo-Fascists, but of the two,
Antifa seems to have a much broader membership, at least in these
parts. Fine with me, as long as they leave their masks and clubs at
home. Do we agree?
islander
2018-07-12 14:16:08 UTC
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On 7/11/2018 6:46 PM, El Castor wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:32:18 -0700, islander <***@priracy.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/11/2018 4:06 PM, El Castor wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:36:54 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:14:45 -0700, El Castor
>>>> <***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:45:05 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:50:37 -0700, El Castor
>>>>>> <***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:31:02 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 16:04:59 +0200, Heirloom
>>>>>>>> <***@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He seems like a pretty nice man. People who don't like him
>>>>>>>> appear to be pretty stupid. For instance -- one said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "...Spencer has been described as a neo-Nazi..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He tells the truth about Muslims, so the Left calls him names.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A neo nazi ? "Nazi" is a Jewish word meaning people who
>>>>>>>> live in the "Land of Naz". Which is the ancient Jewish
>>>>>>>> word for what is now Germany. Spencer's ancestors may have
>>>>>>>> been from Naz. But he was born in a Virginia town where I
>>>>>>>> use to live as a teenager.
>>>>>>> Gary! for the Nth time! Aieeeeee!!! It's just a contraction of the
>>>>>>> German words - National+sozialist = Nazi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As an Army brat -- I was taught that definition by some of
>>>>>> the soldiers who had defeated the Krauts in 1945. The
>>>>>> definition -- they had been taught by the Jewish
>>>>>> journalists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me see if I understand is. In Hebrew/Yiddish the word
>>>>>> "ashke" means "our beloved". So -- by your definition --
>>>>>> an Ashkenazi Jew would mean -- "Our beloved -- who is a
>>>>>> national socialist".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or ... does it mean "Our beloved who lives in the land of
>>>>>> the Germans"? (those damn krauts !)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just because we love the Jews -- we don't have to accept all
>>>>>> their BS.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you were taught wrong. The only BS is yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a much longer explanation of the origin of the word, Nazi. It
>>>>> seems that it originated as a term used to describe a clumsy rural
>>>>> numb skull (what we would call a Hick) in the province of Bavaria.
>>>>> When Hitler's National Sozialist movement got going, opponents
>>>>> shortened the name to Nazi, which apparently greatly annoyed Hitler,
>>>>> but it came into common use among his opponents.
>>>>
>>>> This is something I have been wondering about.
>>>>
>>>> Quote --
>>>>
>>>> "...The Germans, not even Hitler nor any other top party
>>>> officials ever called themselves “Nazis”! ..."
>>>>
>>>> My thoughts have been that if I could see an example of the
>>>> use of the word "nazi" by a German official -- I would say I
>>>> had been wrong. But this statement proves -- rather than
>>>> disproves it.
>>>>
>>>> =========================================
>>>>
>>>>> The Jewish word
>>>>> Ashkenazi is unrelated, but ignorant anti-semites sometimes invent a
>>>>> relationship.
>>>>> https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-relation-in-etymology-between-the-words-Ashkenazi-and-Nazi
>>>>
>>>> OK, this here proves me and my theory about Ashkenazi is
>>>> wrong. If I had known the word was mentioned in the bible
>>>> -- I would have accepted it long ago.
>>>>
>>>> Genesis 10:3
>>>>
>>>> "The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal,
>>>> Meshech, and Tiras. 3The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath,
>>>> and Togarmah."
>>>>
>>>>> BTW -- what is this Jewish "BS" we don't have to accept??
>>>>
>>>> I only have a limited amount of time and space :-)
>>>>
>>>> (I'll discuss it later)
>>>>
>>>> ==============================================
>>>>
>>>> This thought makes a case against the conservative hating
>>>> liberals who accuse people of being "neo-nazi" :
>>>>
>>>> "...that there is also no such thing as a “Neo-Nazi” either.
>>>> Those who would describe themselves as such are as ignorant
>>>> as those who say they hate “Nazis” – they are equally
>>>> deceived..."
>>>>
>>> Oh there were Nazis, but they didn't call themselves that -- they were
>>> members of the National Socialist Workers Party, or
>>> Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. People who didn't like
>>> them called them Nazis, so Neo-Nazi, if there is such a thing, is the
>>> same idea, and intended as a pejorative. Personally, I think liberals
>>> are a little too free with that expression. For some, it seems like
>>> anyone who they disagree with is a Neo-Nazi.
>>>
>> Like the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville last August
>> chanting "Jews will not replace us?" Were they neo-Nazis or just kids
>> out for a good time? "Good people on both sides?" I don't think so!
>
> The Charlottesville marchers you referred to were NOT (in my opinion)
> good people, but they have a right to peacefully demonstrate --
> wouldn't you agree? Does being "not good" confer a right on those who
> disagree with them to beat them with a club? Do "peaceful" marchers
> wear masks and carry clubs. FYI -- the demonstrators in the following
> photo are not Neo-Nazis, they are from your side of the aisle, so of
> course they get a pass. Right?
> https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/gettyimages-830767670.jpg?quality=85
>
> Here are members of the Left gathered in Berkeley. Good people? OK?
> https://i0.wp.com/thepoliticalinsider.com/content/uploads/2017/08/1a-1504209288.jpg?resize=600%2C352
> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pAueKluaYXg/maxresdefault.jpg
>
> Antifa's bad behavior doesn't excuse Neo-Fascists, but of the two,
> Antifa seems to have a much broader membership, at least in these
> parts. Fine with me, as long as they leave their masks and clubs at
> home. Do we agree?
>
Returning to my point, were the marchers with the tiki torches chanting
"Jews will not replace us" neo-Nazis?
El Castor
2018-07-12 23:45:28 UTC
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:16:08 -0700, islander <***@priracy.com> wrote:

>On 7/11/2018 6:46 PM, El Castor wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:32:18 -0700, islander <***@priracy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/11/2018 4:06 PM, El Castor wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:36:54 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:14:45 -0700, El Castor
>>>>> <***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:45:05 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:50:37 -0700, El Castor
>>>>>>> <***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:31:02 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 16:04:59 +0200, Heirloom
>>>>>>>>> <***@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He seems like a pretty nice man. People who don't like him
>>>>>>>>> appear to be pretty stupid. For instance -- one said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "...Spencer has been described as a neo-Nazi..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He tells the truth about Muslims, so the Left calls him names.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A neo nazi ? "Nazi" is a Jewish word meaning people who
>>>>>>>>> live in the "Land of Naz". Which is the ancient Jewish
>>>>>>>>> word for what is now Germany. Spencer's ancestors may have
>>>>>>>>> been from Naz. But he was born in a Virginia town where I
>>>>>>>>> use to live as a teenager.
>>>>>>>> Gary! for the Nth time! Aieeeeee!!! It's just a contraction of the
>>>>>>>> German words - National+sozialist = Nazi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As an Army brat -- I was taught that definition by some of
>>>>>>> the soldiers who had defeated the Krauts in 1945. The
>>>>>>> definition -- they had been taught by the Jewish
>>>>>>> journalists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me see if I understand is. In Hebrew/Yiddish the word
>>>>>>> "ashke" means "our beloved". So -- by your definition --
>>>>>>> an Ashkenazi Jew would mean -- "Our beloved -- who is a
>>>>>>> national socialist".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or ... does it mean "Our beloved who lives in the land of
>>>>>>> the Germans"? (those damn krauts !)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just because we love the Jews -- we don't have to accept all
>>>>>>> their BS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, you were taught wrong. The only BS is yours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a much longer explanation of the origin of the word, Nazi. It
>>>>>> seems that it originated as a term used to describe a clumsy rural
>>>>>> numb skull (what we would call a Hick) in the province of Bavaria.
>>>>>> When Hitler's National Sozialist movement got going, opponents
>>>>>> shortened the name to Nazi, which apparently greatly annoyed Hitler,
>>>>>> but it came into common use among his opponents.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is something I have been wondering about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Quote --
>>>>>
>>>>> "...The Germans, not even Hitler nor any other top party
>>>>> officials ever called themselves “Nazis”! ..."
>>>>>
>>>>> My thoughts have been that if I could see an example of the
>>>>> use of the word "nazi" by a German official -- I would say I
>>>>> had been wrong. But this statement proves -- rather than
>>>>> disproves it.
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================================
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Jewish word
>>>>>> Ashkenazi is unrelated, but ignorant anti-semites sometimes invent a
>>>>>> relationship.
>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-relation-in-etymology-between-the-words-Ashkenazi-and-Nazi
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, this here proves me and my theory about Ashkenazi is
>>>>> wrong. If I had known the word was mentioned in the bible
>>>>> -- I would have accepted it long ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Genesis 10:3
>>>>>
>>>>> "The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal,
>>>>> Meshech, and Tiras. 3The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath,
>>>>> and Togarmah."
>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW -- what is this Jewish "BS" we don't have to accept??
>>>>>
>>>>> I only have a limited amount of time and space :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> (I'll discuss it later)
>>>>>
>>>>> ==============================================
>>>>>
>>>>> This thought makes a case against the conservative hating
>>>>> liberals who accuse people of being "neo-nazi" :
>>>>>
>>>>> "...that there is also no such thing as a “Neo-Nazi” either.
>>>>> Those who would describe themselves as such are as ignorant
>>>>> as those who say they hate “Nazis” – they are equally
>>>>> deceived..."
>>>>>
>>>> Oh there were Nazis, but they didn't call themselves that -- they were
>>>> members of the National Socialist Workers Party, or
>>>> Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. People who didn't like
>>>> them called them Nazis, so Neo-Nazi, if there is such a thing, is the
>>>> same idea, and intended as a pejorative. Personally, I think liberals
>>>> are a little too free with that expression. For some, it seems like
>>>> anyone who they disagree with is a Neo-Nazi.
>>>>
>>> Like the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville last August
>>> chanting "Jews will not replace us?" Were they neo-Nazis or just kids
>>> out for a good time? "Good people on both sides?" I don't think so!
>>
>> The Charlottesville marchers you referred to were NOT (in my opinion)
>> good people, but they have a right to peacefully demonstrate --
>> wouldn't you agree? Does being "not good" confer a right on those who
>> disagree with them to beat them with a club? Do "peaceful" marchers
>> wear masks and carry clubs. FYI -- the demonstrators in the following
>> photo are not Neo-Nazis, they are from your side of the aisle, so of
>> course they get a pass. Right?
>> https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/gettyimages-830767670.jpg?quality=85
>>
>> Here are members of the Left gathered in Berkeley. Good people? OK?
>> https://i0.wp.com/thepoliticalinsider.com/content/uploads/2017/08/1a-1504209288.jpg?resize=600%2C352
>> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pAueKluaYXg/maxresdefault.jpg
>>
>> Antifa's bad behavior doesn't excuse Neo-Fascists, but of the two,
>> Antifa seems to have a much broader membership, at least in these
>> parts. Fine with me, as long as they leave their masks and clubs at
>> home. Do we agree?
>>
>Returning to my point, were the marchers with the tiki torches chanting
>"Jews will not replace us" neo-Nazis?

They were displaying swastikas. That alone makes them neo-Nazis in my
book.

If they break the law they should be arrested. But, if they are
orderly and non-violent, do they have a right to demonstrate
peacefully?

Are you reluctant to flatly reject Antifa demonstrators, when they use
clubs, wear masks, and set fires? Do they have a right to demonstrate
violently?
islander
2018-07-13 00:10:00 UTC
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On 7/12/2018 4:45 PM, El Castor wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:16:08 -0700, islander <***@priracy.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/11/2018 6:46 PM, El Castor wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:32:18 -0700, islander <***@priracy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/11/2018 4:06 PM, El Castor wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:36:54 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:14:45 -0700, El Castor
>>>>>> <***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:45:05 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:50:37 -0700, El Castor
>>>>>>>> <***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:31:02 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 16:04:59 +0200, Heirloom
>>>>>>>>>> <***@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He seems like a pretty nice man. People who don't like him
>>>>>>>>>> appear to be pretty stupid. For instance -- one said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "...Spencer has been described as a neo-Nazi..."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He tells the truth about Muslims, so the Left calls him names.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A neo nazi ? "Nazi" is a Jewish word meaning people who
>>>>>>>>>> live in the "Land of Naz". Which is the ancient Jewish
>>>>>>>>>> word for what is now Germany. Spencer's ancestors may have
>>>>>>>>>> been from Naz. But he was born in a Virginia town where I
>>>>>>>>>> use to live as a teenager.
>>>>>>>>> Gary! for the Nth time! Aieeeeee!!! It's just a contraction of the
>>>>>>>>> German words - National+sozialist = Nazi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As an Army brat -- I was taught that definition by some of
>>>>>>>> the soldiers who had defeated the Krauts in 1945. The
>>>>>>>> definition -- they had been taught by the Jewish
>>>>>>>> journalists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me see if I understand is. In Hebrew/Yiddish the word
>>>>>>>> "ashke" means "our beloved". So -- by your definition --
>>>>>>>> an Ashkenazi Jew would mean -- "Our beloved -- who is a
>>>>>>>> national socialist".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or ... does it mean "Our beloved who lives in the land of
>>>>>>>> the Germans"? (those damn krauts !)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just because we love the Jews -- we don't have to accept all
>>>>>>>> their BS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, you were taught wrong. The only BS is yours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is a much longer explanation of the origin of the word, Nazi. It
>>>>>>> seems that it originated as a term used to describe a clumsy rural
>>>>>>> numb skull (what we would call a Hick) in the province of Bavaria.
>>>>>>> When Hitler's National Sozialist movement got going, opponents
>>>>>>> shortened the name to Nazi, which apparently greatly annoyed Hitler,
>>>>>>> but it came into common use among his opponents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is something I have been wondering about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quote --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "...The Germans, not even Hitler nor any other top party
>>>>>> officials ever called themselves “Nazis”! ..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My thoughts have been that if I could see an example of the
>>>>>> use of the word "nazi" by a German official -- I would say I
>>>>>> had been wrong. But this statement proves -- rather than
>>>>>> disproves it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Jewish word
>>>>>>> Ashkenazi is unrelated, but ignorant anti-semites sometimes invent a
>>>>>>> relationship.
>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-relation-in-etymology-between-the-words-Ashkenazi-and-Nazi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, this here proves me and my theory about Ashkenazi is
>>>>>> wrong. If I had known the word was mentioned in the bible
>>>>>> -- I would have accepted it long ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Genesis 10:3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal,
>>>>>> Meshech, and Tiras. 3The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath,
>>>>>> and Togarmah."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW -- what is this Jewish "BS" we don't have to accept??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I only have a limited amount of time and space :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (I'll discuss it later)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==============================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This thought makes a case against the conservative hating
>>>>>> liberals who accuse people of being "neo-nazi" :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "...that there is also no such thing as a “Neo-Nazi” either.
>>>>>> Those who would describe themselves as such are as ignorant
>>>>>> as those who say they hate “Nazis” – they are equally
>>>>>> deceived..."
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh there were Nazis, but they didn't call themselves that -- they were
>>>>> members of the National Socialist Workers Party, or
>>>>> Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. People who didn't like
>>>>> them called them Nazis, so Neo-Nazi, if there is such a thing, is the
>>>>> same idea, and intended as a pejorative. Personally, I think liberals
>>>>> are a little too free with that expression. For some, it seems like
>>>>> anyone who they disagree with is a Neo-Nazi.
>>>>>
>>>> Like the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville last August
>>>> chanting "Jews will not replace us?" Were they neo-Nazis or just kids
>>>> out for a good time? "Good people on both sides?" I don't think so!
>>>
>>> The Charlottesville marchers you referred to were NOT (in my opinion)
>>> good people, but they have a right to peacefully demonstrate --
>>> wouldn't you agree? Does being "not good" confer a right on those who
>>> disagree with them to beat them with a club? Do "peaceful" marchers
>>> wear masks and carry clubs. FYI -- the demonstrators in the following
>>> photo are not Neo-Nazis, they are from your side of the aisle, so of
>>> course they get a pass. Right?
>>> https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/gettyimages-830767670.jpg?quality=85
>>>
>>> Here are members of the Left gathered in Berkeley. Good people? OK?
>>> https://i0.wp.com/thepoliticalinsider.com/content/uploads/2017/08/1a-1504209288.jpg?resize=600%2C352
>>> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pAueKluaYXg/maxresdefault.jpg
>>>
>>> Antifa's bad behavior doesn't excuse Neo-Fascists, but of the two,
>>> Antifa seems to have a much broader membership, at least in these
>>> parts. Fine with me, as long as they leave their masks and clubs at
>>> home. Do we agree?
>>>
>> Returning to my point, were the marchers with the tiki torches chanting
>> "Jews will not replace us" neo-Nazis?
>
> They were displaying swastikas. That alone makes them neo-Nazis in my
> book.
>
> If they break the law they should be arrested. But, if they are
> orderly and non-violent, do they have a right to demonstrate
> peacefully?
>
> Are you reluctant to flatly reject Antifa demonstrators, when they use
> clubs, wear masks, and set fires? Do they have a right to demonstrate
> violently?
>
No one has the right to be violent in their demonstrations and this
includes harming individuals or property. They do have the right to
protect themselves and I see no problem with carrying a club as long as
they use it only to protect their own person. This is a more severe
constraint on personal freedom than that expressed by firearm open-carry
advocates. The crime is the attack on the person. Personally, I do not
like the idea of wearing masks and I would make it a crime. At the
present time, it is a crime in some states. Wearing of masks in holiday
celebrations, theater performances and for occupational safety are
exempted.
El Castor
2018-07-13 01:08:10 UTC
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:10:00 -0700, islander <***@priracy.com> wrote:

>On 7/12/2018 4:45 PM, El Castor wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:16:08 -0700, islander <***@priracy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/11/2018 6:46 PM, El Castor wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:32:18 -0700, islander <***@priracy.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/11/2018 4:06 PM, El Castor wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:36:54 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:14:45 -0700, El Castor
>>>>>>> <***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:45:05 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:50:37 -0700, El Castor
>>>>>>>>> <***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:31:02 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 16:04:59 +0200, Heirloom
>>>>>>>>>>> <***@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He seems like a pretty nice man. People who don't like him
>>>>>>>>>>> appear to be pretty stupid. For instance -- one said:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "...Spencer has been described as a neo-Nazi..."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He tells the truth about Muslims, so the Left calls him names.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A neo nazi ? "Nazi" is a Jewish word meaning people who
>>>>>>>>>>> live in the "Land of Naz". Which is the ancient Jewish
>>>>>>>>>>> word for what is now Germany. Spencer's ancestors may have
>>>>>>>>>>> been from Naz. But he was born in a Virginia town where I
>>>>>>>>>>> use to live as a teenager.
>>>>>>>>>> Gary! for the Nth time! Aieeeeee!!! It's just a contraction of the
>>>>>>>>>> German words - National+sozialist = Nazi.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As an Army brat -- I was taught that definition by some of
>>>>>>>>> the soldiers who had defeated the Krauts in 1945. The
>>>>>>>>> definition -- they had been taught by the Jewish
>>>>>>>>> journalists.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me see if I understand is. In Hebrew/Yiddish the word
>>>>>>>>> "ashke" means "our beloved". So -- by your definition --
>>>>>>>>> an Ashkenazi Jew would mean -- "Our beloved -- who is a
>>>>>>>>> national socialist".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or ... does it mean "Our beloved who lives in the land of
>>>>>>>>> the Germans"? (those damn krauts !)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just because we love the Jews -- we don't have to accept all
>>>>>>>>> their BS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, you were taught wrong. The only BS is yours.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is a much longer explanation of the origin of the word, Nazi. It
>>>>>>>> seems that it originated as a term used to describe a clumsy rural
>>>>>>>> numb skull (what we would call a Hick) in the province of Bavaria.
>>>>>>>> When Hitler's National Sozialist movement got going, opponents
>>>>>>>> shortened the name to Nazi, which apparently greatly annoyed Hitler,
>>>>>>>> but it came into common use among his opponents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is something I have been wondering about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quote --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "...The Germans, not even Hitler nor any other top party
>>>>>>> officials ever called themselves “Nazis”! ..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My thoughts have been that if I could see an example of the
>>>>>>> use of the word "nazi" by a German official -- I would say I
>>>>>>> had been wrong. But this statement proves -- rather than
>>>>>>> disproves it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Jewish word
>>>>>>>> Ashkenazi is unrelated, but ignorant anti-semites sometimes invent a
>>>>>>>> relationship.
>>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-relation-in-etymology-between-the-words-Ashkenazi-and-Nazi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, this here proves me and my theory about Ashkenazi is
>>>>>>> wrong. If I had known the word was mentioned in the bible
>>>>>>> -- I would have accepted it long ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Genesis 10:3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal,
>>>>>>> Meshech, and Tiras. 3The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath,
>>>>>>> and Togarmah."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW -- what is this Jewish "BS" we don't have to accept??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I only have a limited amount of time and space :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (I'll discuss it later)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ==============================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This thought makes a case against the conservative hating
>>>>>>> liberals who accuse people of being "neo-nazi" :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "...that there is also no such thing as a “Neo-Nazi” either.
>>>>>>> Those who would describe themselves as such are as ignorant
>>>>>>> as those who say they hate “Nazis” – they are equally
>>>>>>> deceived..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh there were Nazis, but they didn't call themselves that -- they were
>>>>>> members of the National Socialist Workers Party, or
>>>>>> Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. People who didn't like
>>>>>> them called them Nazis, so Neo-Nazi, if there is such a thing, is the
>>>>>> same idea, and intended as a pejorative. Personally, I think liberals
>>>>>> are a little too free with that expression. For some, it seems like
>>>>>> anyone who they disagree with is a Neo-Nazi.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Like the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville last August
>>>>> chanting "Jews will not replace us?" Were they neo-Nazis or just kids
>>>>> out for a good time? "Good people on both sides?" I don't think so!
>>>>
>>>> The Charlottesville marchers you referred to were NOT (in my opinion)
>>>> good people, but they have a right to peacefully demonstrate --
>>>> wouldn't you agree? Does being "not good" confer a right on those who
>>>> disagree with them to beat them with a club? Do "peaceful" marchers
>>>> wear masks and carry clubs. FYI -- the demonstrators in the following
>>>> photo are not Neo-Nazis, they are from your side of the aisle, so of
>>>> course they get a pass. Right?
>>>> https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/gettyimages-830767670.jpg?quality=85
>>>>
>>>> Here are members of the Left gathered in Berkeley. Good people? OK?
>>>> https://i0.wp.com/thepoliticalinsider.com/content/uploads/2017/08/1a-1504209288.jpg?resize=600%2C352
>>>> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pAueKluaYXg/maxresdefault.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Antifa's bad behavior doesn't excuse Neo-Fascists, but of the two,
>>>> Antifa seems to have a much broader membership, at least in these
>>>> parts. Fine with me, as long as they leave their masks and clubs at
>>>> home. Do we agree?
>>>>
>>> Returning to my point, were the marchers with the tiki torches chanting
>>> "Jews will not replace us" neo-Nazis?
>>
>> They were displaying swastikas. That alone makes them neo-Nazis in my
>> book.
>>
>> If they break the law they should be arrested. But, if they are
>> orderly and non-violent, do they have a right to demonstrate
>> peacefully?
>>
>> Are you reluctant to flatly reject Antifa demonstrators, when they use
>> clubs, wear masks, and set fires? Do they have a right to demonstrate
>> violently?
>>
>No one has the right to be violent in their demonstrations and this
>includes harming individuals or property. They do have the right to
>protect themselves and I see no problem with carrying a club as long as
>they use it only to protect their own person. This is a more severe
>constraint on personal freedom than that expressed by firearm open-carry
>advocates. The crime is the attack on the person. Personally, I do not
>like the idea of wearing masks and I would make it a crime. At the
>present time, it is a crime in some states. Wearing of masks in holiday
>celebrations, theater performances and for occupational safety are
>exempted.

Neo-Nazis and Antifa, in my opinion, human garbage. I hope on that we
can agree -- oh, and demonstrating while carrying a club, knife,
sword, gun, or flame thrower -- very close to a violation of some law.
I would be interested to hear what Josh has to say about that.
islander
2018-07-13 05:08:36 UTC
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On 7/12/2018 6:08 PM, El Castor wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:10:00 -0700, islander <***@priracy.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/12/2018 4:45 PM, El Castor wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:16:08 -0700, islander <***@priracy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/11/2018 6:46 PM, El Castor wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:32:18 -0700, islander <***@priracy.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/11/2018 4:06 PM, El Castor wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:36:54 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:14:45 -0700, El Castor
>>>>>>>> <***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:45:05 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:50:37 -0700, El Castor
>>>>>>>>>> <***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:31:02 -0400, Gary <***@wpw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 16:04:59 +0200, Heirloom
>>>>>>>>>>>> <***@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wokesloth.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-kicked-out-of-europe/distributor/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He seems like a pretty nice man. People who don't like him
>>>>>>>>>>>> appear to be pretty stupid. For instance -- one said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "...Spencer has been described as a neo-Nazi..."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He tells the truth about Muslims, so the Left calls him names.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A neo nazi ? "Nazi" is a Jewish word meaning people who
>>>>>>>>>>>> live in the "Land of Naz". Which is the ancient Jewish
>>>>>>>>>>>> word for what is now Germany. Spencer's ancestors may have
>>>>>>>>>>>> been from Naz. But he was born in a Virginia town where I
>>>>>>>>>>>> use to live as a teenager.
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary! for the Nth time! Aieeeeee!!! It's just a contraction of the
>>>>>>>>>>> German words - National+sozialist = Nazi.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As an Army brat -- I was taught that definition by some of
>>>>>>>>>> the soldiers who had defeated the Krauts in 1945. The
>>>>>>>>>> definition -- they had been taught by the Jewish
>>>>>>>>>> journalists.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me see if I understand is. In Hebrew/Yiddish the word
>>>>>>>>>> "ashke" means "our beloved". So -- by your definition --
>>>>>>>>>> an Ashkenazi Jew would mean -- "Our beloved -- who is a
>>>>>>>>>> national socialist".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or ... does it mean "Our beloved who lives in the land of
>>>>>>>>>> the Germans"? (those damn krauts !)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just because we love the Jews -- we don't have to accept all
>>>>>>>>>> their BS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, you were taught wrong. The only BS is yours.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is a much longer explanation of the origin of the word, Nazi. It
>>>>>>>>> seems that it originated as a term used to describe a clumsy rural
>>>>>>>>> numb skull (what we would call a Hick) in the province of Bavaria.
>>>>>>>>> When Hitler's National Sozialist movement got going, opponents
>>>>>>>>> shortened the name to Nazi, which apparently greatly annoyed Hitler,
>>>>>>>>> but it came into common use among his opponents.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is something I have been wondering about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quote --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "...The Germans, not even Hitler nor any other top party
>>>>>>>> officials ever called themselves “Nazis”! ..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My thoughts have been that if I could see an example of the
>>>>>>>> use of the word "nazi" by a German official -- I would say I
>>>>>>>> had been wrong. But this statement proves -- rather than
>>>>>>>> disproves it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================================
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Jewish word
>>>>>>>>> Ashkenazi is unrelated, but ignorant anti-semites sometimes invent a
>>>>>>>>> relationship.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-relation-in-etymology-between-the-words-Ashkenazi-and-Nazi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, this here proves me and my theory about Ashkenazi is
>>>>>>>> wrong. If I had known the word was mentioned in the bible
>>>>>>>> -- I would have accepted it long ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Genesis 10:3
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal,
>>>>>>>> Meshech, and Tiras. 3The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath,
>>>>>>>> and Togarmah."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW -- what is this Jewish "BS" we don't have to accept??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I only have a limited amount of time and space :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (I'll discuss it later)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ==============================================
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This thought makes a case against the conservative hating
>>>>>>>> liberals who accuse people of being "neo-nazi" :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "...that there is also no such thing as a “Neo-Nazi” either.
>>>>>>>> Those who would describe themselves as such are as ignorant
>>>>>>>> as those who say they hate “Nazis” – they are equally
>>>>>>>> deceived..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh there were Nazis, but they didn't call themselves that -- they were
>>>>>>> members of the National Socialist Workers Party, or
>>>>>>> Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. People who didn't like
>>>>>>> them called them Nazis, so Neo-Nazi, if there is such a thing, is the
>>>>>>> same idea, and intended as a pejorative. Personally, I think liberals
>>>>>>> are a little too free with that expression. For some, it seems like
>>>>>>> anyone who they disagree with is a Neo-Nazi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville last August
>>>>>> chanting "Jews will not replace us?" Were they neo-Nazis or just kids
>>>>>> out for a good time? "Good people on both sides?" I don't think so!
>>>>>
>>>>> The Charlottesville marchers you referred to were NOT (in my opinion)
>>>>> good people, but they have a right to peacefully demonstrate --
>>>>> wouldn't you agree? Does being "not good" confer a right on those who
>>>>> disagree with them to beat them with a club? Do "peaceful" marchers
>>>>> wear masks and carry clubs. FYI -- the demonstrators in the following
>>>>> photo are not Neo-Nazis, they are from your side of the aisle, so of
>>>>> course they get a pass. Right?
>>>>> https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/gettyimages-830767670.jpg?quality=85
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are members of the Left gathered in Berkeley. Good people? OK?
>>>>> https://i0.wp.com/thepoliticalinsider.com/content/uploads/2017/08/1a-1504209288.jpg?resize=600%2C352
>>>>> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pAueKluaYXg/maxresdefault.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Antifa's bad behavior doesn't excuse Neo-Fascists, but of the two,
>>>>> Antifa seems to have a much broader membership, at least in these
>>>>> parts. Fine with me, as long as they leave their masks and clubs at
>>>>> home. Do we agree?
>>>>>
>>>> Returning to my point, were the marchers with the tiki torches chanting
>>>> "Jews will not replace us" neo-Nazis?
>>>
>>> They were displaying swastikas. That alone makes them neo-Nazis in my
>>> book.
>>>
>>> If they break the law they should be arrested. But, if they are
>>> orderly and non-violent, do they have a right to demonstrate
>>> peacefully?
>>>
>>> Are you reluctant to flatly reject Antifa demonstrators, when they use
>>> clubs, wear masks, and set fires? Do they have a right to demonstrate
>>> violently?
>>>
>> No one has the right to be violent in their demonstrations and this
>> includes harming individuals or property. They do have the right to
>> protect themselves and I see no problem with carrying a club as long as
>> they use it only to protect their own person. This is a more severe
>> constraint on personal freedom than that expressed by firearm open-carry
>> advocates. The crime is the attack on the person. Personally, I do not
>> like the idea of wearing masks and I would make it a crime. At the
>> present time, it is a crime in some states. Wearing of masks in holiday
>> celebrations, theater performances and for occupational safety are
>> exempted.
>
> Neo-Nazis and Antifa, in my opinion, human garbage. I hope on that we
> can agree -- oh, and demonstrating while carrying a club, knife,
> sword, gun, or flame thrower -- very close to a violation of some law.
> I would be interested to hear what Josh has to say about that.
>
It appears that carrying a gun into a demonstration is controversial in
law going back to the 14th Century. It is called "going armed to the
terror of the public..."
https://www.thetrace.org/2017/10/open-carry-protest-gun-crime-terror-public/
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