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b***@gmail.com
2017-10-09 20:21:54 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!

Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.

Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
GLOBALIST
2017-10-09 21:37:01 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
Pence made his reasons for leaving CLEAR AS A BELL
He was not going to condone making fun of our
soldiers, our flag or the national anthem.
The decision was made for him by the clowns who did
I am sure that Pence and his wife attend many
social events, concerts, fairs, visting
overseas etc.
He should save your money by hanging around
the White House 7 days a week?
Jack Fate
2017-10-12 16:46:04 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
Pence made his reasons for leaving CLEAR AS A BELL
He was not going to condone making fun of our
soldiers, our flag or the national anthem.
Neither were the players, dumb ass. They are protesting police
brutality, something assholes like you applaud.
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The decision was made for him by the clowns who did
I am sure that Pence and his wife attend many
social events, concerts, fairs, visting
overseas etc.
He should save your money by hanging around
the White House 7 days a week?
He wasted the taxpayers money for a photo op that was FAKE, dim wit.
Tzatz Ziki
2017-10-12 17:12:22 UTC
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He
"...but I will no longer be posting here. No one here is going to change
so, basically, I'm wasting the little time I have left by posting to
this obscure little group full of stupid bigoted and racist Trump
lovers."
El Castor
2017-10-09 23:16:17 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
How many of the numerous Obama & Co vacations, weekenders, and
European jaunts did you bitch and moan about?

''Final Obama travel tab: $100 million"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/final-obama-travel-tab-100-million/article/2623399
rumpelstiltskin
2017-10-10 00:09:07 UTC
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:16:17 -0700, El Castor
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
How many of the numerous Obama & Co vacations, weekenders, and
European jaunts did you bitch and moan about?
Is that the game I heard about on TV, which was the
first pro ports game Pence had attended for many years,
and he walked out? Pretty expensive gesture at our
expense, it would seem if so.
Post by El Castor
''Final Obama travel tab: $100 million"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/final-obama-travel-tab-100-million/article/2623399
islander
2017-10-10 13:44:16 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
How many of the numerous Obama & Co vacations, weekenders, and
European jaunts did you bitch and moan about?
''Final Obama travel tab: $100 million"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/final-obama-travel-tab-100-million/article/2623399
You are probably indirectly referring to the Judicial Watch report that
Obama spent $96,938,882.51 over his 8 years as President. This included
all travel costs including official business.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-obama-travel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/

By way of contrast, Trump has spent an estimated $20M in his first 80
days, just on his trips to play golf at Mir-a-Lago. The Secret Service
has already blown their current year budget and have put in a request
for an increase of $60M for next year. Trump is spending as much in a
month as Obama spent in a year.
El Castor
2017-10-10 18:13:57 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
How many of the numerous Obama & Co vacations, weekenders, and
European jaunts did you bitch and moan about?
''Final Obama travel tab: $100 million"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/final-obama-travel-tab-100-million/article/2623399
You are probably indirectly referring to the Judicial Watch report that
Obama spent $96,938,882.51 over his 8 years as President. This included
all travel costs including official business.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-obama-travel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/
By way of contrast, Trump has spent an estimated $20M in his first 80
days, just on his trips to play golf at Mir-a-Lago. The Secret Service
has already blown their current year budget and have put in a request
for an increase of $60M for next year. Trump is spending as much in a
month as Obama spent in a year.
Better spent on golf than supplying armaments to "good" Syrian rebels.
islander
2017-10-11 14:26:42 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
How many of the numerous Obama & Co vacations, weekenders, and
European jaunts did you bitch and moan about?
''Final Obama travel tab: $100 million"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/final-obama-travel-tab-100-million/article/2623399
You are probably indirectly referring to the Judicial Watch report that
Obama spent $96,938,882.51 over his 8 years as President. This included
all travel costs including official business.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-obama-travel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/
By way of contrast, Trump has spent an estimated $20M in his first 80
days, just on his trips to play golf at Mir-a-Lago. The Secret Service
has already blown their current year budget and have put in a request
for an increase of $60M for next year. Trump is spending as much in a
month as Obama spent in a year.
Better spent on golf than supplying armaments to "good" Syrian rebels.
So, you are saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do? Is that your latest
version of minimal government?
El Castor
2017-10-11 20:25:21 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
How many of the numerous Obama & Co vacations, weekenders, and
European jaunts did you bitch and moan about?
''Final Obama travel tab: $100 million"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/final-obama-travel-tab-100-million/article/2623399
You are probably indirectly referring to the Judicial Watch report that
Obama spent $96,938,882.51 over his 8 years as President. This included
all travel costs including official business.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-obama-travel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/
By way of contrast, Trump has spent an estimated $20M in his first 80
days, just on his trips to play golf at Mir-a-Lago. The Secret Service
has already blown their current year budget and have put in a request
for an increase of $60M for next year. Trump is spending as much in a
month as Obama spent in a year.
Better spent on golf than supplying armaments to "good" Syrian rebels.
So, you are saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do? Is that your latest
version of minimal government?
No, I was referring to Hillary and Obama supplying armaments to "good"
Syrian rebels. That, together with Bush's good work in Iraq, seems to
have doomed Europe.
islander
2017-10-12 16:15:42 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
How many of the numerous Obama & Co vacations, weekenders, and
European jaunts did you bitch and moan about?
''Final Obama travel tab: $100 million"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/final-obama-travel-tab-100-million/article/2623399
You are probably indirectly referring to the Judicial Watch report that
Obama spent $96,938,882.51 over his 8 years as President. This included
all travel costs including official business.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-obama-travel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/
By way of contrast, Trump has spent an estimated $20M in his first 80
days, just on his trips to play golf at Mir-a-Lago. The Secret Service
has already blown their current year budget and have put in a request
for an increase of $60M for next year. Trump is spending as much in a
month as Obama spent in a year.
Better spent on golf than supplying armaments to "good" Syrian rebels.
So, you are saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do? Is that your latest
version of minimal government?
No, I was referring to Hillary and Obama supplying armaments to "good"
Syrian rebels. That, together with Bush's good work in Iraq, seems to
have doomed Europe.
And Trump's solution is what? To blame Obama and then go play golf?
El Castor
2017-10-12 19:49:20 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
How many of the numerous Obama & Co vacations, weekenders, and
European jaunts did you bitch and moan about?
''Final Obama travel tab: $100 million"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/final-obama-travel-tab-100-million/article/2623399
You are probably indirectly referring to the Judicial Watch report that
Obama spent $96,938,882.51 over his 8 years as President. This included
all travel costs including official business.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-obama-travel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/
By way of contrast, Trump has spent an estimated $20M in his first 80
days, just on his trips to play golf at Mir-a-Lago. The Secret Service
has already blown their current year budget and have put in a request
for an increase of $60M for next year. Trump is spending as much in a
month as Obama spent in a year.
Better spent on golf than supplying armaments to "good" Syrian rebels.
So, you are saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do? Is that your latest
version of minimal government?
No, I was referring to Hillary and Obama supplying armaments to "good"
Syrian rebels. That, together with Bush's good work in Iraq, seems to
have doomed Europe.
And Trump's solution is what? To blame Obama and then go play golf?
At least he isn't asking Syrian "refugees" to come here and wreck the
US the way they are wrecking Europe.
islander
2017-10-13 14:58:23 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
How many of the numerous Obama & Co vacations, weekenders, and
European jaunts did you bitch and moan about?
''Final Obama travel tab: $100 million"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/final-obama-travel-tab-100-million/article/2623399
You are probably indirectly referring to the Judicial Watch report that
Obama spent $96,938,882.51 over his 8 years as President. This included
all travel costs including official business.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-obama-travel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/
By way of contrast, Trump has spent an estimated $20M in his first 80
days, just on his trips to play golf at Mir-a-Lago. The Secret Service
has already blown their current year budget and have put in a request
for an increase of $60M for next year. Trump is spending as much in a
month as Obama spent in a year.
Better spent on golf than supplying armaments to "good" Syrian rebels.
So, you are saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do? Is that your latest
version of minimal government?
No, I was referring to Hillary and Obama supplying armaments to "good"
Syrian rebels. That, together with Bush's good work in Iraq, seems to
have doomed Europe.
And Trump's solution is what? To blame Obama and then go play golf?
At least he isn't asking Syrian "refugees" to come here and wreck the
US the way they are wrecking Europe.
So, you ARE saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do!
El Castor
2017-10-14 00:39:49 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
How many of the numerous Obama & Co vacations, weekenders, and
European jaunts did you bitch and moan about?
''Final Obama travel tab: $100 million"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/final-obama-travel-tab-100-million/article/2623399
You are probably indirectly referring to the Judicial Watch report that
Obama spent $96,938,882.51 over his 8 years as President. This included
all travel costs including official business.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-obama-travel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/
By way of contrast, Trump has spent an estimated $20M in his first 80
days, just on his trips to play golf at Mir-a-Lago. The Secret Service
has already blown their current year budget and have put in a request
for an increase of $60M for next year. Trump is spending as much in a
month as Obama spent in a year.
Better spent on golf than supplying armaments to "good" Syrian rebels.
So, you are saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do? Is that your latest
version of minimal government?
No, I was referring to Hillary and Obama supplying armaments to "good"
Syrian rebels. That, together with Bush's good work in Iraq, seems to
have doomed Europe.
And Trump's solution is what? To blame Obama and then go play golf?
At least he isn't asking Syrian "refugees" to come here and wreck the
US the way they are wrecking Europe.
So, you ARE saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do!
If he thought he was elected to add $4 trillion to the national debt,
turn Libya and Syria into disastrous failed states, look the other way
while illegal aliens streamed across the border, welcome boat loads of
Syrian and Somalian "refugees", arm Mexican cartels fastly and
furiously, look the other way while Obamacare melted down, travel to
the far corners of the earth on apology tours, use the IRS to target
political opponents, Ship $1.7 billion in cash to Iran in exchange for
what?, and promise repeatedly to fix the VA, but never deliver, then I
would prefer he just play golf.
islander
2017-10-14 01:14:34 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
How many of the numerous Obama & Co vacations, weekenders, and
European jaunts did you bitch and moan about?
''Final Obama travel tab: $100 million"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/final-obama-travel-tab-100-million/article/2623399
You are probably indirectly referring to the Judicial Watch report that
Obama spent $96,938,882.51 over his 8 years as President. This included
all travel costs including official business.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-obama-travel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/
By way of contrast, Trump has spent an estimated $20M in his first 80
days, just on his trips to play golf at Mir-a-Lago. The Secret Service
has already blown their current year budget and have put in a request
for an increase of $60M for next year. Trump is spending as much in a
month as Obama spent in a year.
Better spent on golf than supplying armaments to "good" Syrian rebels.
So, you are saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do? Is that your latest
version of minimal government?
No, I was referring to Hillary and Obama supplying armaments to "good"
Syrian rebels. That, together with Bush's good work in Iraq, seems to
have doomed Europe.
And Trump's solution is what? To blame Obama and then go play golf?
At least he isn't asking Syrian "refugees" to come here and wreck the
US the way they are wrecking Europe.
So, you ARE saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do!
If he thought he was elected to add $4 trillion to the national debt,
turn Libya and Syria into disastrous failed states, look the other way
while illegal aliens streamed across the border, welcome boat loads of
Syrian and Somalian "refugees", arm Mexican cartels fastly and
furiously, look the other way while Obamacare melted down, travel to
the far corners of the earth on apology tours, use the IRS to target
political opponents, Ship $1.7 billion in cash to Iran in exchange for
what?, and promise repeatedly to fix the VA, but never deliver, then I
would prefer he just play golf.
I'm glad that you are finally agreeing that we would be better off if
Trump just played golf and left the governance to the adults.
El Castor
2017-10-14 08:23:13 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
How many of the numerous Obama & Co vacations, weekenders, and
European jaunts did you bitch and moan about?
''Final Obama travel tab: $100 million"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/final-obama-travel-tab-100-million/article/2623399
You are probably indirectly referring to the Judicial Watch report that
Obama spent $96,938,882.51 over his 8 years as President. This included
all travel costs including official business.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-obama-travel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/
By way of contrast, Trump has spent an estimated $20M in his first 80
days, just on his trips to play golf at Mir-a-Lago. The Secret Service
has already blown their current year budget and have put in a request
for an increase of $60M for next year. Trump is spending as much in a
month as Obama spent in a year.
Better spent on golf than supplying armaments to "good" Syrian rebels.
So, you are saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do? Is that your latest
version of minimal government?
No, I was referring to Hillary and Obama supplying armaments to "good"
Syrian rebels. That, together with Bush's good work in Iraq, seems to
have doomed Europe.
And Trump's solution is what? To blame Obama and then go play golf?
At least he isn't asking Syrian "refugees" to come here and wreck the
US the way they are wrecking Europe.
So, you ARE saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do!
If he thought he was elected to add $4 trillion to the national debt,
turn Libya and Syria into disastrous failed states, look the other way
while illegal aliens streamed across the border, welcome boat loads of
Syrian and Somalian "refugees", arm Mexican cartels fastly and
furiously, look the other way while Obamacare melted down, travel to
the far corners of the earth on apology tours, use the IRS to target
political opponents, Ship $1.7 billion in cash to Iran in exchange for
what?, and promise repeatedly to fix the VA, but never deliver, then I
would prefer he just play golf.
I'm glad that you are finally agreeing that we would be better off if
Trump just played golf and left the governance to the adults.
As soon as he fixes Obamacare, cuts corporate taxes, replaces Ruth,
and fixes North Korea and Iran, I'd be glad to buy him a new set of
clubs.
Emily
2017-10-14 12:45:12 UTC
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 01:23:13 -0700, El Castor
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Post by islander
I'm glad that you are finally agreeing that we would be better off if
Trump just played golf and left the governance to the adults.
As soon as he fixes Obamacare, cuts corporate taxes, replaces Ruth,
and fixes North Korea and Iran, I'd be glad to buy him a new set of
clubs.
No one is ever going to fix Obamacare because the only real solution
is universal health care like every other civilized country has and
you Republicans will fight to the death to prevent that.

If I were a praying person, I'd be praying hourly for Ruth to live and
prosper for at least another twenty years.

Fix North Korea and Iran? Ha ha ha ha

He's doing what he can to fix immigration -- at this point no one but
a complete idiot would want to immigrate to this country.
El Castor
2017-10-14 20:35:29 UTC
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 01:23:13 -0700, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
I'm glad that you are finally agreeing that we would be better off if
Trump just played golf and left the governance to the adults.
As soon as he fixes Obamacare, cuts corporate taxes, replaces Ruth,
and fixes North Korea and Iran, I'd be glad to buy him a new set of
clubs.
No one is ever going to fix Obamacare because the only real solution
is universal health care like every other civilized country has and
you Republicans will fight to the death to prevent that.
If I were a praying person, I'd be praying hourly for Ruth to live and
prosper for at least another twenty years.
Fix North Korea and Iran? Ha ha ha ha
He's doing what he can to fix immigration -- at this point no one but
a complete idiot would want to immigrate to this country.
Single payer in compassionate liberal hands will be a great blessing!
But if that's the case, after 8 years of Obama, why is a model
universal system like VA healthcare still flat on it's face? Oh wait!
I know! A little more money and the fix is on its way. Unfortunately
that is a common theme in single payer systems all over the world.
Admittedly it does work some places better than others, but in a
country as large and diverse as the United States, with a 12+ million
population of illegals, ghettos and wealth, Alaska to Hawaii, Arizona
to Maine, I think single payer would not be as easily implemented as
you might imagine.

"VA Hospitals Scandal
CBS News' investigation into VA Medical Centers and deaths of patients
due to long waits for care"
https://www.cbsnews.com/feature/va-hospitals-scandal/

"Billions spent to fix VA didn't solve problems, made some issues
worse"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/politics/veterans-administration-va/index.html

"Why Canadians Are Increasingly Seeking Medical Treatment Abroad"
"The Fraser Institute released a study last year showing that wait
times in Canada were on the increase and had hit an all-time high in
more than two decades of the think tank conducting the survey.
Patients reported waiting up to 20 weeks for “medically necessary”
procedures such as organ transplants and heart surgery."
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/canadian-medical-tourism_us_5949b405e4b0db570d3778ff
Emily
2017-10-15 18:45:50 UTC
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Post by Emily
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 01:23:13 -0700, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
I'm glad that you are finally agreeing that we would be better off if
Trump just played golf and left the governance to the adults.
As soon as he fixes Obamacare, cuts corporate taxes, replaces Ruth,
and fixes North Korea and Iran, I'd be glad to buy him a new set of
clubs.
No one is ever going to fix Obamacare because the only real solution
is universal health care like every other civilized country has and
you Republicans will fight to the death to prevent that.
If I were a praying person, I'd be praying hourly for Ruth to live and
prosper for at least another twenty years.
Fix North Korea and Iran? Ha ha ha ha
He's doing what he can to fix immigration -- at this point no one but
a complete idiot would want to immigrate to this country.
Single payer in compassionate liberal hands will be a great blessing!
But if that's the case, after 8 years of Obama, why is a model
universal system like VA healthcare still flat on it's face? Oh wait!
I know! A little more money and the fix is on its way. Unfortunately
that is a common theme in single payer systems all over the world.
Admittedly it does work some places better than others, but in a
country as large and diverse as the United States, with a 12+ million
population of illegals, ghettos and wealth, Alaska to Hawaii, Arizona
to Maine, I think single payer would not be as easily implemented as
you might imagine.
I admit that I have no idea how we'd even begin to implement single
payer because the insurance companies would have to be dealt with, and
as long as there was one breathing Republican left in Congress, that
would never happen.

And if we ever got over that hurdle, there'd be another brain dead
Democrat who'd be all upset over abortion and throw a wrench in the
works.
Post by El Castor
"VA Hospitals Scandal
CBS News' investigation into VA Medical Centers and deaths of patients
due to long waits for care"
https://www.cbsnews.com/feature/va-hospitals-scandal/
"Billions spent to fix VA didn't solve problems, made some issues
worse"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/politics/veterans-administration-va/index.html
"Why Canadians Are Increasingly Seeking Medical Treatment Abroad"
"The Fraser Institute released a study last year showing that wait
times in Canada were on the increase and had hit an all-time high in
more than two decades of the think tank conducting the survey.
Patients reported waiting up to 20 weeks for “medically necessary”
procedures such as organ transplants and heart surgery."
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/canadian-medical-tourism_us_5949b405e4b0db570d3778ff
It occurs to me that one thing that's never mentioned is that just
getting to see a doctor really isn't the holy grail. It's getting to
see a competent doctor and there are way too many of the other kind
out there.
rumpelstiltskin
2017-10-15 20:24:27 UTC
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 13:35:29 -0700, El Castor
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Post by Emily
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 01:23:13 -0700, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
I'm glad that you are finally agreeing that we would be better off if
Trump just played golf and left the governance to the adults.
As soon as he fixes Obamacare, cuts corporate taxes, replaces Ruth,
and fixes North Korea and Iran, I'd be glad to buy him a new set of
clubs.
No one is ever going to fix Obamacare because the only real solution
is universal health care like every other civilized country has and
you Republicans will fight to the death to prevent that.
If I were a praying person, I'd be praying hourly for Ruth to live and
prosper for at least another twenty years.
Fix North Korea and Iran? Ha ha ha ha
He's doing what he can to fix immigration -- at this point no one but
a complete idiot would want to immigrate to this country.
Single payer in compassionate liberal hands will be a great blessing!
But if that's the case, after 8 years of Obama, why is a model
universal system like VA healthcare still flat on it's face? Oh wait!
I know! A little more money and the fix is on its way. Unfortunately
that is a common theme in single payer systems all over the world.
Admittedly it does work some places better than others, but in a
country as large and diverse as the United States, with a 12+ million
population of illegals, ghettos and wealth, Alaska to Hawaii, Arizona
to Maine, I think single payer would not be as easily implemented as
you might imagine.
I admit that I have no idea how we'd even begin to implement single
payer because the insurance companies would have to be dealt with, and
as long as there was one breathing Republican left in Congress, that
would never happen.
And if we ever got over that hurdle, there'd be another brain dead
Democrat who'd be all upset over abortion and throw a wrench in the
works.
Post by El Castor
"VA Hospitals Scandal
CBS News' investigation into VA Medical Centers and deaths of patients
due to long waits for care"
https://www.cbsnews.com/feature/va-hospitals-scandal/
"Billions spent to fix VA didn't solve problems, made some issues
worse"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/politics/veterans-administration-va/index.html
"Why Canadians Are Increasingly Seeking Medical Treatment Abroad"
"The Fraser Institute released a study last year showing that wait
times in Canada were on the increase and had hit an all-time high in
more than two decades of the think tank conducting the survey.
Patients reported waiting up to 20 weeks for “medically necessary”
procedures such as organ transplants and heart surgery."
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/canadian-medical-tourism_us_5949b405e4b0db570d3778ff
It occurs to me that one thing that's never mentioned is that just
getting to see a doctor really isn't the holy grail. It's getting to
see a competent doctor and there are way too many of the other kind
out there.
All hail the upcoming arrival of intelligent computers/
robots, though that will be too late for thee and me.

As that guy who won so much money on jeopardy
wrote on his "Final Jeopardy" answer card when he
finally lost to the computer "Watson", "I, for one,
welcome our new computer overlords."
El Castor
2017-10-16 23:55:16 UTC
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 13:35:29 -0700, El Castor
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Post by Emily
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 01:23:13 -0700, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
I'm glad that you are finally agreeing that we would be better off if
Trump just played golf and left the governance to the adults.
As soon as he fixes Obamacare, cuts corporate taxes, replaces Ruth,
and fixes North Korea and Iran, I'd be glad to buy him a new set of
clubs.
No one is ever going to fix Obamacare because the only real solution
is universal health care like every other civilized country has and
you Republicans will fight to the death to prevent that.
If I were a praying person, I'd be praying hourly for Ruth to live and
prosper for at least another twenty years.
Fix North Korea and Iran? Ha ha ha ha
He's doing what he can to fix immigration -- at this point no one but
a complete idiot would want to immigrate to this country.
Single payer in compassionate liberal hands will be a great blessing!
But if that's the case, after 8 years of Obama, why is a model
universal system like VA healthcare still flat on it's face? Oh wait!
I know! A little more money and the fix is on its way. Unfortunately
that is a common theme in single payer systems all over the world.
Admittedly it does work some places better than others, but in a
country as large and diverse as the United States, with a 12+ million
population of illegals, ghettos and wealth, Alaska to Hawaii, Arizona
to Maine, I think single payer would not be as easily implemented as
you might imagine.
I admit that I have no idea how we'd even begin to implement single
payer because the insurance companies would have to be dealt with, and
as long as there was one breathing Republican left in Congress, that
would never happen.
And if we ever got over that hurdle, there'd be another brain dead
Democrat who'd be all upset over abortion and throw a wrench in the
works.
I think you are being too optimistic. (-8
Post by Emily
Post by El Castor
"VA Hospitals Scandal
CBS News' investigation into VA Medical Centers and deaths of patients
due to long waits for care"
https://www.cbsnews.com/feature/va-hospitals-scandal/
"Billions spent to fix VA didn't solve problems, made some issues
worse"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/politics/veterans-administration-va/index.html
"Why Canadians Are Increasingly Seeking Medical Treatment Abroad"
"The Fraser Institute released a study last year showing that wait
times in Canada were on the increase and had hit an all-time high in
more than two decades of the think tank conducting the survey.
Patients reported waiting up to 20 weeks for “medically necessary”
procedures such as organ transplants and heart surgery."
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/canadian-medical-tourism_us_5949b405e4b0db570d3778ff
It occurs to me that one thing that's never mentioned is that just
getting to see a doctor really isn't the holy grail. It's getting to
see a competent doctor and there are way too many of the other kind
out there.
rumpelstiltskin
2017-10-14 01:41:05 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
How many of the numerous Obama & Co vacations, weekenders, and
European jaunts did you bitch and moan about?
''Final Obama travel tab: $100 million"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/final-obama-travel-tab-100-million/article/2623399
You are probably indirectly referring to the Judicial Watch report that
Obama spent $96,938,882.51 over his 8 years as President. This included
all travel costs including official business.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-obama-travel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/
By way of contrast, Trump has spent an estimated $20M in his first 80
days, just on his trips to play golf at Mir-a-Lago. The Secret Service
has already blown their current year budget and have put in a request
for an increase of $60M for next year. Trump is spending as much in a
month as Obama spent in a year.
Better spent on golf than supplying armaments to "good" Syrian rebels.
So, you are saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do? Is that your latest
version of minimal government?
No, I was referring to Hillary and Obama supplying armaments to "good"
Syrian rebels. That, together with Bush's good work in Iraq, seems to
have doomed Europe.
And Trump's solution is what? To blame Obama and then go play golf?
At least he isn't asking Syrian "refugees" to come here and wreck the
US the way they are wrecking Europe.
So, you ARE saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do!
If he thought he was elected to add $4 trillion to the national debt,
turn Libya and Syria into disastrous failed states, look the other way
while illegal aliens streamed across the border, welcome boat loads of
Syrian and Somalian "refugees", arm Mexican cartels fastly and
furiously, look the other way while Obamacare melted down, travel to
the far corners of the earth on apology tours, use the IRS to target
political opponents, Ship $1.7 billion in cash to Iran in exchange for
what?, and promise repeatedly to fix the VA, but never deliver, then I
would prefer he just play golf.
I get the feeling that we're approaching the point where
some brown stuff is going to plow into whirling devices,
now that protections for the less-well-off are going to be
eliminated. It'll be fun.
El Castor
2017-10-14 08:26:05 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 17:39:49 -0700, El Castor
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Post by El Castor
Post by islander
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Post by b***@gmail.com
Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
How many of the numerous Obama & Co vacations, weekenders, and
European jaunts did you bitch and moan about?
''Final Obama travel tab: $100 million"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/final-obama-travel-tab-100-million/article/2623399
You are probably indirectly referring to the Judicial Watch report that
Obama spent $96,938,882.51 over his 8 years as President. This included
all travel costs including official business.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-obama-travel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/
By way of contrast, Trump has spent an estimated $20M in his first 80
days, just on his trips to play golf at Mir-a-Lago. The Secret Service
has already blown their current year budget and have put in a request
for an increase of $60M for next year. Trump is spending as much in a
month as Obama spent in a year.
Better spent on golf than supplying armaments to "good" Syrian rebels.
So, you are saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do? Is that your latest
version of minimal government?
No, I was referring to Hillary and Obama supplying armaments to "good"
Syrian rebels. That, together with Bush's good work in Iraq, seems to
have doomed Europe.
And Trump's solution is what? To blame Obama and then go play golf?
At least he isn't asking Syrian "refugees" to come here and wreck the
US the way they are wrecking Europe.
So, you ARE saying that it is better for Trump to be out playing golf
than doing the job that he was elected to do!
If he thought he was elected to add $4 trillion to the national debt,
turn Libya and Syria into disastrous failed states, look the other way
while illegal aliens streamed across the border, welcome boat loads of
Syrian and Somalian "refugees", arm Mexican cartels fastly and
furiously, look the other way while Obamacare melted down, travel to
the far corners of the earth on apology tours, use the IRS to target
political opponents, Ship $1.7 billion in cash to Iran in exchange for
what?, and promise repeatedly to fix the VA, but never deliver, then I
would prefer he just play golf.
I get the feeling that we're approaching the point where
some brown stuff is going to plow into whirling devices,
now that protections for the less-well-off are going to be
eliminated. It'll be fun.
Hmmm. Well as long as it's fun.
b***@gmail.com
2017-10-14 09:01:50 UTC
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... Ship $1.7 billion in cash to Iran in exchange for
what?...
That money was Iran's money. Why would you or Trump complain
about giving it back to them? Sheeeech!

btw, what are you and Trump's supporters going to say if the
wall doesn't get built? Tax reform? Repeal and replace?
mg
2017-10-14 11:41:25 UTC
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Ahhhhhh, these rich guys (on your money) can afford to protest!
Pence flies to the game and flies back to his yurt and it costs
us more than $250,000.
Let's give the Trumpiters a big "ATTA BOY"!!!!
Oh, whoopee! Thank you BF. There's nothing like throwing
some red meat to the animals to liven things up for us
people in the bleachers. :-)
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