IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TARNISHED BEYOND REPAIR?

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

Now here is a rather interesting take on the Catholic Church, arguing as it
does that the church is not keeping up/does not keep up with the times.
Specifically, (from the article itself):
"This stands in stark contrast to the sociocultural values espoused by the
church. These are now in opposition to majority moral attitudes in many
parts of the world."

http://www.newsweek.com/catholic-church-tarnished-beyond-repair-449885?rx=us
BY BRENDAN CANAVAN ON 4/24/16 AT 10:00 AM

When the chief executive of Goldman Sachs, Lloyd Blankfein, told a newspaper
the company was “doing God’s work,” his appeal on behalf of higher powers
was an attempt to rescue the tainted reputation of not only his own
investment bank but the entire industry.

But for the Catholic Church, even this most obvious of strategies might not
be enough to stem an inexorable decline.

The church is one of the oldest and most profitable brands in history.
Financial details are kept sketchy, but this vast multinational dwarfs any
other.

The Economist has estimated that in 2010, spending by the U.S. branch of the
church and its various entities (probably the wealthiest and least opaque of
the global organization’s chapters) was $170 billion. Yet the church is
beset by problems.

As many brands have found out (the BBC’s experience of sex abuse claims, for
instance), handling the fallout from a disgrace is perhaps more important
than the scandal itself. The drip feed of negative headlines associated with
sexual abuse and its cover-up has irreparably tarnished the Catholic brand
for many.The Conversation

There is a more fundamental threat to Catholicism, however: irrelevance.

/snip - read the cited linked article/

[GLOBALIST]

Post by Lawrence Akutagawa
Now here is a rather interesting take on the Catholic Church, arguing as it
does that the church is not keeping up/does not keep up with the times.
"This stands in stark contrast to the sociocultural values espoused by the
church. These are now in opposition to majority moral attitudes in many
parts of the world."
http://www.newsweek.com/catholic-church-tarnished-beyond-repair-449885?rx=us
BY BRENDAN CANAVAN ON 4/24/16 AT 10:00 AM
When the chief executive of Goldman Sachs, Lloyd Blankfein, told a newspaper
the company was "doing God's work," his appeal on behalf of higher powers
was an attempt to rescue the tainted reputation of not only his own
investment bank but the entire industry.
But for the Catholic Church, even this most obvious of strategies might not
be enough to stem an inexorable decline.
The church is one of the oldest and most profitable brands in history.
Financial details are kept sketchy, but this vast multinational dwarfs any
other.
The Economist has estimated that in 2010, spending by the U.S. branch of the
church and its various entities (probably the wealthiest and least opaque of
the global organization's chapters) was $170 billion. Yet the church is
beset by problems.
As many brands have found out (the BBC's experience of sex abuse claims, for
instance), handling the fallout from a disgrace is perhaps more important
than the scandal itself. The drip feed of negative headlines associated with
sexual abuse and its cover-up has irreparably tarnished the Catholic brand
for many.The Conversation
There is a more fundamental threat to Catholicism, however: irrelevance.
/snip - read the cited linked article/

The Church is not based on money. They could
lose their ass and there would still be 'church'
a community of followers of Christ, even if they
had to do like they must do in China, meet in people's
homes or in meeting halls.
You are upset...because they church is "not with
it"...? Holy Cow! The church was never with it and
they pride themselves on not being with it.
Meanwhile there is an increase of young men
entering the priesthood...more so in the last
10 years. Some communities of nuns need to
build more space for all their new novices
What I enjoy seeing is that the young priests
are being trained in the traditional way and
not in the "anything goes bullshit of they 70s and 80s
I wonder where these men are coming from in our
present society. They surely aren't listening
to your drama-queen ....."the end is near" crapola.
Pope Paul VI was trained in an underground seminary
in Nazi Poland. The concentration camps in Poland
were packed with Polish priests. Some died of disease
or starvation etc, many made it out and became
Poland's greatest church leaders, thumbing
their noses at people like you.

[Z.]

Post by GLOBALIST
The church was never with it and
they pride themselves on not being with it.

Nothing like a false religion that's proud of its phoniness.

[w***@msn.com]

Hey nigger, don't you have some newspapers to deliver?

[Z.]

Post by w***@msn.com
Hey nigger, don't you have some newspapers to deliver?

I'm not a "nigger" and in Spain newspapers are not, and have never been,
delivered. Care for strike three, your racist bigoted piece of donkey shit?

[w***@msn.com]

So you sell newspapers on the street corner. Do the Spaniards do much tipping.....especially to a homeless spook?

[Z.]

Post by w***@msn.com
So you sell newspapers on the street corner. Do the Spaniards do much tipping.....especially to a homeless spook?

Strike three, you're out.

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

Post by Lawrence Akutagawa
Now here is a rather interesting take on the Catholic Church, arguing as it
does that the church is not keeping up/does not keep up with the times.
"This stands in stark contrast to the sociocultural values espoused by the
church. These are now in opposition to majority moral attitudes in many
parts of the world."
http://www.newsweek.com/catholic-church-tarnished-beyond-repair-449885?rx=us
BY BRENDAN CANAVAN ON 4/24/16 AT 10:00 AM
When the chief executive of Goldman Sachs, Lloyd Blankfein, told a newspaper
the company was "doing God's work," his appeal on behalf of higher powers
was an attempt to rescue the tainted reputation of not only his own
investment bank but the entire industry.
But for the Catholic Church, even this most obvious of strategies might not
be enough to stem an inexorable decline.
The church is one of the oldest and most profitable brands in history.
Financial details are kept sketchy, but this vast multinational dwarfs any
other.
The Economist has estimated that in 2010, spending by the U.S. branch of the
church and its various entities (probably the wealthiest and least opaque of
the global organization's chapters) was $170 billion. Yet the church is
beset by problems.
As many brands have found out (the BBC's experience of sex abuse claims, for
instance), handling the fallout from a disgrace is perhaps more important
than the scandal itself. The drip feed of negative headlines associated with
sexual abuse and its cover-up has irreparably tarnished the Catholic brand
for many.The Conversation
There is a more fundamental threat to Catholicism, however: irrelevance.
/snip - read the cited linked article/

The Church is not based on money. They could
lose their ass and there would still be 'church'
a community of followers of Christ, even if they
had to do like they must do in China, meet in people's
homes or in meeting halls.
You are upset...because they church is "not with
it"...? Holy Cow! The church was never with it and
they pride themselves on not being with it.
Meanwhile there is an increase of young men
entering the priesthood...more so in the last
10 years. Some communities of nuns need to
build more space for all their new novices
What I enjoy seeing is that the young priests
are being trained in the traditional way and
not in the "anything goes bullshit of they 70s and 80s
I wonder where these men are coming from in our
present society. They surely aren't listening
to your drama-queen ....."the end is near" crapola.
Pope Paul VI was trained in an underground seminary
in Nazi Poland. The concentration camps in Poland
were packed with Polish priests. Some died of disease
or starvation etc, many made it out and became
Poland's greatest church leaders, thumbing
their noses at people like you.

****** This line separates my response from the foregoing ******

YIKES!!!
Another "Look here, not there" tirade from the Village Idiot!
Cite in your Village Idiot response, Village Idiot, where you address where
the Catholic Church - even in the United States - addresses head
on...instead of disparaging and closing the door to...today's issues,
including those of the divorced and remarried and of the LBGT. Pope
Francis - as Pope of the Roman Catholic Church - is doing his best, but he
has few enthusiastic followers/supporters even among the clergy in the
United States.

You, Village Idiot, go on blathering on and on about the Catholic
Church...but I just bet you cannot even name one such Catholic diocese
confronting and successfully addressing today's issues. Indeed, Village
Idiot, point to one...just one...Catholic diocese here in the United States
openly welcoming the divorced and remarried and the LGBT and including such
folks in any and all church sacraments.

Forthwith - Performance #523 of that most popular and Village Idiot favorite
Intellectual Coward ploy where he - tail well between his legs - scurries
back into his hole under his rock.

[DGW]

Post by Lawrence Akutagawa
Now here is a rather interesting take on the Catholic Church, arguing
as it does that the church is not keeping up/does not keep up with the
"This stands in stark contrast to the sociocultural values espoused by
the church. These are now in opposition to majority moral attitudes in
many parts of the world."
http://www.newsweek.com/catholic-church-tarnished-beyond-repair-449885?rx=us

All that yapping exposes a profound ignorance about the Church and
world history. The article was probably written by a frustrated
individual from one of the protestant franchise churches. Sadly, such
a closed mind is not likely to be enlightened by even a modest amount
of research.

It's nothing new. Ignorant individuals have been trying to destroy
the one universal church for 2016 years.

[rumpelstiltskin]

Post by DGW

Post by Lawrence Akutagawa
Now here is a rather interesting take on the Catholic Church, arguing
as it does that the church is not keeping up/does not keep up with the
"This stands in stark contrast to the sociocultural values espoused by
the church. These are now in opposition to majority moral attitudes in
many parts of the world."
http://www.newsweek.com/catholic-church-tarnished-beyond-repair-449885?rx=us

All that yapping exposes a profound ignorance about the Church and
world history. The article was probably written by a frustrated
individual from one of the protestant franchise churches. Sadly, such
a closed mind is not likely to be enlightened by even a modest amount
of research.
It's nothing new. Ignorant individuals have been trying to destroy
the one universal church for 2016 years.

Which "one" is that? There are hundreds, maybe thousands.
Even if you mean specifically the Roman Catholic church, how
can you worship pope Benedict then turn on a dime and
worship Pope Francis and claim they're the same thing?
They're obviously vastly different, so your own church is
different at different times.

But it's too, too silly to argue, since theism itself is too,
too silly.

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

Post by Lawrence Akutagawa
Now here is a rather interesting take on the Catholic Church, arguing
as it does that the church is not keeping up/does not keep up with the
"This stands in stark contrast to the sociocultural values espoused by
the church. These are now in opposition to majority moral attitudes in
many parts of the world."
http://www.newsweek.com/catholic-church-tarnished-beyond-repair-449885?rx=us

All that yapping exposes a profound ignorance about the Church and
world history. The article was probably written by a frustrated
individual from one of the protestant franchise churches. Sadly, such
a closed mind is not likely to be enlightened by even a modest amount
of research.

It's nothing new. Ignorant individuals have been trying to destroy
the one universal church for 2016 years.

****** This line separates my response from the foregoing ******

hmmm...have you been taking lessons from the Village Idiot on his Village
Idiot "Look here, not there" ploy with this brilliant, most exquisite, and
certainly very telling riposte that not at all addresses the merits of the
article but instead hurls ad hominems at the article's author?

Maybe - inasmuch as the Village Idiot himself when asked has performed
another of his Intellectual Coward ploys - I can ask you to name one...just
one single solitary...archdiocese here in the United States that openly
welcomes the divorced and remarried as well as the LGBT with open arms to
partake in the church sacraments. Such an archdiocese, I will more than
willingly concede, is much with the times such as they are here today in
these United States.

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

Post by Lawrence Akutagawa
Now here is a rather interesting take on the Catholic Church, arguing
as it does that the church is not keeping up/does not keep up with the
"This stands in stark contrast to the sociocultural values espoused by
the church. These are now in opposition to majority moral attitudes in
many parts of the world."
http://www.newsweek.com/catholic-church-tarnished-beyond-repair-449885?rx=us

All that yapping exposes a profound ignorance about the Church and
world history. The article was probably written by a frustrated
individual from one of the protestant franchise churches. Sadly, such
a closed mind is not likely to be enlightened by even a modest amount
of research.

It's nothing new. Ignorant individuals have been trying to destroy
the one universal church for 2016 years.

****** This line separates my response from the foregoing ******

"Ignorant individuals have been trying to destroy the one universal church
for 2016 years."

Pray tell - which "one universal church" are you talking about? Clearly it
is not the Roman Catholic Church that you discuss here because even the
Roman Catholic Church itself states that the Roman Catholic Church was
founded in 33 AD when Jesus Christ started his ministry...some 1983 years
ago and not 2016 years ago.
http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/thechurch.html
https://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/churb4.htm

My follow up questions are: Given this most remarkable statement of yours,
are you of the belief that Jesus Christ was a baby prodigy such that he
started his ministry immediately after being born? Do you really know what
you are talking about? Are you maybe vying for the position as assistant to
the Village Idiot with such loosey goosey talk full of fun and laughs such
as that you present us here?

And my last question is: Do you always go around talking about others being
ignorant as you here do in your statement that I quoted and then
immediately - in that very same exact, identical statement - turn around to
reveal most ironically just how ignorant you yourself are in that which you
say?

[me]

People are attached to ideas they value. Are you different? How are your attachments more valid than others? The Catholic Church has lasted longer than many other accepted values. Religion comes in many forms. Atheists have faith there is no God. They have no way to prove it. They merely believe it. Faith transcends reason. Religion tries to explain what is beyond the mind to demonstrate. The only thing atheists can do is reject that explanation. Nothing more. You presume too much and think too little. This makes you human. I forgive you. But I don't respect you.

[GLOBALIST]

Post by me
People are attached to ideas they value. Are you different? How are your attachments more valid than others? The Catholic Church has lasted longer than many other accepted values. Religion comes in many forms. Atheists have faith there is no God. They have no way to prove it. They merely believe it. Faith transcends reason. Religion tries to explain what is beyond the mind to demonstrate. The only thing atheists can do is reject that explanation. Nothing more. You presume too much and think too little. This makes you human. I forgive you. But I don't respect you.

=============
And though they try to ignore it....When the Pope
travels the news agencies are packed with coverage
for days. And when the Pope travels "every" head
of state comes out to greet him.
This Pope has spoken with our US Congress and
at the United Nations in New York
HARDLY a dying institution....

[Z.]

Post by GLOBALIST

Post by me
People are attached to ideas they value. Are you different? How are your attachments more valid than others? The Catholic Church has lasted longer than many other accepted values. Religion comes in many forms. Atheists have faith there is no God. They have no way to prove it. They merely believe it. Faith transcends reason. Religion tries to explain what is beyond the mind to demonstrate. The only thing atheists can do is reject that explanation. Nothing more. You presume too much and think too little. This makes you human. I forgive you. But I don't respect you.

=============
And though they try to ignore it....When the Pope
travels the news agencies are packed with coverage
for days. And when the Pope travels "every" head
of state comes out to greet him.
This Pope has spoken with our US Congress and
at the United Nations in New York
HARDLY a dying institution....

It's on life support but the fools that believe the xtian crap don't
know it. Ya know, like YOU.

[GLOBALIST]

Post by Z.

Post by GLOBALIST

Post by me
People are attached to ideas they value. Are you different? How are your attachments more valid than others? The Catholic Church has lasted longer than many other accepted values. Religion comes in many forms. Atheists have faith there is no God. They have no way to prove it. They merely believe it. Faith transcends reason. Religion tries to explain what is beyond the mind to demonstrate. The only thing atheists can do is reject that explanation. Nothing more. You presume too much and think too little. This makes you human. I forgive you. But I don't respect you.

=============
And though they try to ignore it....When the Pope
travels the news agencies are packed with coverage
for days. And when the Pope travels "every" head
of state comes out to greet him.
This Pope has spoken with our US Congress and
at the United Nations in New York
HARDLY a dying institution....

It's on life support but the fools that believe the xtian crap don't
know it. Ya know, like YOU.
--
Z.

Lfve support? You might want to ask some of
the members of our US Supreme Court

[Z.]

Post by GLOBALIST

Post by Z.

Post by GLOBALIST

Post by me
People are attached to ideas they value. Are you different? How are your attachments more valid than others? The Catholic Church has lasted longer than many other accepted values. Religion comes in many forms. Atheists have faith there is no God. They have no way to prove it. They merely believe it. Faith transcends reason. Religion tries to explain what is beyond the mind to demonstrate. The only thing atheists can do is reject that explanation. Nothing more. You presume too much and think too little. This makes you human. I forgive you. But I don't respect you.

=============
And though they try to ignore it....When the Pope
travels the news agencies are packed with coverage
for days. And when the Pope travels "every" head
of state comes out to greet him.
This Pope has spoken with our US Congress and
at the United Nations in New York
HARDLY a dying institution....

It's on life support but the fools that believe the xtian crap don't
know it. Ya know, like YOU.
--
Z.

Lfve support? You might want to ask some of
the members of our US Supreme Court

No need. Anyone with half a brain can see that the old god in the sky
and some idiot saving you by getting crucified is fading away except for
fools like you and *anyone* who believes in a make believe god.

[GLOBALIST]

Read the numbers and weep at your ignorance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_by_country

[Z.]

Post by GLOBALIST
Read the numbers and weep at your ignorance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_by_country

Numbers mean nothing. Oops. Just because there are a lot of fools who
are conned into believing in a make believe god doesn't make it true,
you dumb fucking ignorant low life.

[w***@msn.com]

Oh sure, there's over two billion Christians in the world, and many fine Christian universities and hospitals, and there you are, a stupid and ignorant nigger, who's brighter than all of them. When arrogance is added to your level of low intelligence, a unique, super-stupid aberration of nature is created, for sure a genetic mutation of sorts. One gratification would be that you should bear no offspring, so as to carry on nature's awful error.

[Z.]

Post by w***@msn.com
Oh sure, there's over two billion Christians in the world, and many
fine Christian universities and hospitals,

Who lie to the brainwashed followers.

Snip lies, stupidity and insults.

[w***@msn.com]

Post by Z.

Post by w***@msn.com
Oh sure, there's over two billion Christians in the world, and many
fine Christian universities and hospitals,

Who lie to the brainwashed followers.
Snip lies, stupidity and insults.
--
Z.

You make no sense and keep repeating the same nonsense. You're obviously afraid of something, and it's most likely that you fear for your soul because you know the faith you profess is a sham and you feel guilty for promoting your lies.

[Z.]

Post by w***@msn.com

Post by Z.

Post by w***@msn.com
Oh sure, there's over two billion Christians in the world, and
many fine Christian universities and hospitals,

Who lie to the brainwashed followers.
Snip lies, stupidity and insults.
-- Z.

You make no sense and keep repeating the same nonsense. You're
obviously afraid of something, and it's most likely that you fear for
your soul because you know the faith you profess is a sham and you
feel guilty for promoting your lies.

That's the last thing I worry about.

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

Post by Z.

Post by GLOBALIST

Post by me
People are attached to ideas they value. Are you different? How are
your attachments more valid than others? The Catholic Church has lasted
longer than many other accepted values. Religion comes in many forms.
Atheists have faith there is no God. They have no way to prove it. They
merely believe it. Faith transcends reason. Religion tries to explain
what is beyond the mind to demonstrate. The only thing atheists can do
is reject that explanation. Nothing more. You presume too much and
think too little. This makes you human. I forgive you. But I don't
respect you.

=============
And though they try to ignore it....When the Pope
travels the news agencies are packed with coverage
for days. And when the Pope travels "every" head
of state comes out to greet him.
This Pope has spoken with our US Congress and
at the United Nations in New York
HARDLY a dying institution....

It's on life support but the fools that believe the xtian crap don't
know it. Ya know, like YOU.
--
Z.

Lfve support? You might want to ask some of
the members of our US Supreme Court

****** This line separates my response from the foregoing ******

ooooh...yet another "Look here, not there" ploy by the Village Idiot!
In a discussion of the 2016 year old "universal" church, the Village Idiot
drags in - of all things - the US Supreme Court!
If the Village Idiot keeps up his tossing out of red herrings as he the
Village Idiot does here, my guess is that he the Village Idiot...being of
course the Village Idiot that he the Village Idiot is...will sooner or later
drag in Diane Ross and the Supremes, who have as much - if actually not
more - to do with the 2016 year old "universal" church as the US Supreme
Court does.

And note well how - relying on the mind reading abilities of his audience
(instead of relying on actually reading and writing actual words as we
"anal" folks...as the Village Idiot calls us...do) under the masterful hands
of the Village Idiot the word "life" has morphed into "Lfve'! Now check
your keyboard folks - notice that "I" as in "life" is located on the right
side of the keyboard and on one row above the "asdf" row, while "f" as in
"Lfve" is located on the [tah dah!] left side of the keyboard and on the
same row as "asdf" is. Of course, such Village Idiot mix ups are well
expected from the Village Idiot, he being the Village Idiot that he is...and
here he the Village Idiot does deliver! How much like the Village Idiot!

Now - Performance #526 of that very well worn Intellectual Coward ploy where
the Village Idiot - doing the one thing that he the Village Idiot shows that
he can really do well - places his magnificent tail between his legs and
then marshals forth back into his hole under that rock of his.

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

Post by me
People are attached to ideas they value. Are you different? How are your
attachments more valid than others? The Catholic Church has lasted longer
than many other accepted values. Religion comes in many forms. Atheists
have faith there is no God. They have no way to prove it. They merely
believe it. Faith transcends reason. Religion tries to explain what is
beyond the mind to demonstrate. The only thing atheists can do is reject
that explanation. Nothing more. You presume too much and think too little.
This makes you human. I forgive you. But I don't respect you.

=============
And though they try to ignore it....When the Pope
travels the news agencies are packed with coverage
for days. And when the Pope travels "every" head
of state comes out to greet him.
This Pope has spoken with our US Congress and
at the United Nations in New York
HARDLY a dying institution....

****** This line separates my response from the foregoing ******

And off goes the Village Idiot - running as fast as he the Village Idiot
can - after the red herring tossed out by "me"...aka
"***@gmail.com." Clearly the reason that Village Idiot himself
likes to throw out his "Look here, not there" ploy time and time again is
because just as clearly the Village Idiot - as here - himself thrills to the
chase of those red herrings that comprise the "Look here, not there" ploy.

Do make note folks, that just as "me" in his response had nothing at all
concerning the "universal" church being 2016 years old, so does the Village
Idiot - chasing as he does after the red herring tossed out by "me" - have
nothing...nothing at all...in his Village Idiot reply here concerning the
"universal" church being 2016 years old. But then, this kind of thing is
exactly what one expects from the Village Idiot, who responds to red
herrings (as here) much as Pavlov's dogs did to the sound of that bell. And
that is exactly why the Village Idiot - reacting to stimuli instead of
stopping and thinking - is the Village Idiot that the Village Idiot is.

Now...in another demonstration of the effectiveness of Pavlov's dogs and
their response to the stimulus that bell, here is Performance #525 by the
Village Idiot - in response to the stimulus being confronted - of the
Intellectual Coward ploy as the Village Idiot - once more with his tail high
between his legs - dashes back into his hole under his rock.

[Z.]

Post by me
Faith transcends reason

Only blind faith. You believe you will fall if you jump off a chair. You
believe that because it always happens that way, not because you took a
leap in faith to believe in a make believe god. Do you know the difference?

[me]

You profess to be Buddhist because it is not a false religion. What reason or science or evidence can you provide of its 'truth'?

[Z.]

Post by me
You profess to be Buddhist because it is not a false religion. What reason or science or evidence can you provide of its 'truth'?

The same evidence that if you drop something it will fall to the floor.
It works, plain and simple.

[GLOBALIST]

Post by Z.

Post by me
You profess to be Buddhist because it is not a false religion. What reason or science or evidence can you provide of its 'truth'?

The same evidence that if you drop something it will fall to the floor.
It works, plain and simple.
--
Z.

He will not understand what you are trying to say.
Or he refuses to understand.
He always demands replies from us, but
what he gave was not an answer.
I guess once you talk in philosophical or
theological terms it is magic to him
He has a plethora of ancestral beings
a mile long and thinks that is in stone.
However he claims his scripture as fact
and then ridicules Jewish/Christian scripture.
There should be a internet site with
a home page sharing this belief system,
but he has never shown us one.
From day one I have always been told
that "any" mind altering substance
is not transcendence. (any run of the
mill drunk can tell you about his
deep insight)

[Z.]

Post by GLOBALIST

Post by Z.

Post by me
You profess to be Buddhist because it is not a false religion. What reason or science or evidence can you provide of its 'truth'?

The same evidence that if you drop something it will fall to the floor.
It works, plain and simple.
--
Z.

He will not understand what you are trying to say.
Or he refuses to understand.
He always demands replies from us, but
what he gave was not an answer.
I guess once you talk in philosophical or
theological terms it is magic to him
He has a plethora of ancestral beings
a mile long and thinks that is in stone.
However he claims his scripture as fact
and then ridicules Jewish/Christian scripture.
There should be a internet site with
a home page sharing this belief system,
but he has never shown us one.
From day one I have always been told
that "any" mind altering substance
is not transcendence. (any run of the
mill drunk can tell you about his
deep insight)

Once again you prove how ignorant you are.

[me]

A believer in any other faith can say the same.

[Z.]

Post by me
A believer in any other faith can say the same.

Not they can't. Our faith is based on actual proof. Their faith is based
on "a leap of faith", not proof.

[me]

Where's the proof?

[Z.]

Post by me
Where's the proof?

You'd have to do it to see the proof, just like you would have to see
something fall to see the proof of gravity. I have known folks who did
it to prove it wrong and ended up being some of the strongest members.

[GLOBALIST]

Post by Z.

Post by me
Where's the proof?

You'd have to do it to see the proof, just like you would have to see
something fall to see the proof of gravity. I have known folks who did
it to prove it wrong and ended up being some of the strongest members.
--
Z.

You created your own designer religion. First
of all your own reference to it as a "religion",
then it should have a belief system, some goals.
Just waiting to come back and taking
your chances on what form that will be
is not much of incentive.
What happens if you come back
again and again to be purified, what happens
when you reach that final state of perfection?
You just hang out in never never land?

[Z.]

Post by GLOBALIST

Post by Z.

Post by me
Where's the proof?

You'd have to do it to see the proof, just like you would have to see
something fall to see the proof of gravity. I have known folks who did
it to prove it wrong and ended up being some of the strongest members.
--
Z.

You created your own designer religion. First
of all your own reference to it as a "religion",
then it should have a belief system, some goals.
Just waiting to come back and taking
your chances on what form that will be
is not much of incentive.
What happens if you come back
again and again to be purified, what happens
when you reach that final state of perfection?
You just hang out in never never land?

You are so confused. None of the above makes any sense and none of it is
true.

[w***@msn.com]

Does your God Buddha know that the over indulgence of food, to the point of obesity, is sinful?

[Z.]

Post by w***@msn.com
Does your God Buddha

Buddha is not a god. You are a potential Buddha.

Post by w***@msn.com
know that the over indulgence of food, to the point of obesity, is sinful?

We only have one commandment: never stop practicing. It's time you grew
up and made decisions for yourself instead of following a book passed
down orally by desert dwellers.

[me]

Z doesn't understand Budhhism. But he's trying. You are not. I recommend you try as well. It is worth the effort. The goal is to reduce suffering. There is much on the Internet.
This is a good start.

I sent this to my son last year.

http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com/ChanMasters.htm

Q: A little while ago you spoke of refraining from thinking (nien), but you did not finish your explanation.

A: It means not fixing your mind upon anything, anywhere, but totally withdrawing it from the phenomena surrounding you, so that even the thought (szu) of seeking for something does not remain; it means that your mind, confronted by all the forms composing your environment, remains placid and motionless. This abstaining from all thought whatever is called REAL thought.... If you do not employ the method of Sudden Illumination, you will be like a jackal following and imitating a lion but unable to become a lion even after hundreds and thousands of aeons.

http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com/cmHuiHai.htm


http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/UnitB166ER/the-zen-teaching-of-huang-po-on-the-transmission-of-mind-being-the-teaching-of-the-zen-master-huang-po-as-recorded-by-the-scholar-pei-hsiu-of-the-tang-dynasty-rendered-into-english-by-john-blofeld

Books
http://www.wisdomportal.com/Books/Books-Zen.html
http://buddhism.about.com/od/chanandzenbuddhism/tp/zenbooks.htm

[Z.]

Post by me
Z doesn't understand Budhhism. But he's trying. You are not. I recommend you try as well. It is worth the effort. The goal is to reduce suffering. There is much on the Internet.
This is a good start.
http://youtu.be/10084L3Pqsc
I sent this to my son last year.
http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com/ChanMasters.htm
Q: A little while ago you spoke of refraining from thinking (nien), but you did not finish your explanation.
A: It means not fixing your mind upon anything, anywhere, but totally withdrawing it from the phenomena surrounding you, so that even the thought (szu) of seeking for something does not remain; it means that your mind, confronted by all the forms composing your environment, remains placid and motionless. This abstaining from all thought whatever is called REAL thought.... If you do not employ the method of Sudden Illumination, you will be like a jackal following and imitating a lion but unable to become a lion even after hundreds and thousands of aeons.
http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com/cmHuiHai.htm
http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/UnitB166ER/the-zen-teaching-of-huang-po-on-the-transmission-of-mind-being-the-teaching-of-the-zen-master-huang-po-as-recorded-by-the-scholar-pei-hsiu-of-the-tang-dynasty-rendered-into-english-by-john-blofeld
Books
http://www.wisdomportal.com/Books/Books-Zen.html
http://buddhism.about.com/od/chanandzenbuddhism/tp/zenbooks.htm

All the above is provisional Buddhism that is no longer valid for the
current age. You know *nothing* about Buddhism and to say I don't know
anything is bullshit.

Shiki shin funi
Esho funi
Ichinen Sanzen
Tenju Kyochu

I can go on for hours. You can't even grasp the concept of simultaneous
cause and effect or Kuon Ganjo.

[me]

I avoid threads over 40 posts but will make a exception. One can name all parts of a bicycle and still not know how to ride.

[me]

Do what?

[Z.]

Post by me
Do what?

Practice True Buddhism, what else?

[w***@msn.com]

So the essence of Buddhism is centered around the law of gravity..... Does Buddhism then fall at the rate of 32 feet per second per second?

[Z.]

Post by w***@msn.com
So the essence of Buddhism is centered around the law of gravity.....

Damn, you're stupid.

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

"me" wrote in message news:5ef3d2ef-9538-463a-99cc-***@googlegroups.com...

People are attached to ideas they value. Are you different? How are your
attachments more valid than others? The Catholic Church has lasted longer
than many other accepted values. Religion comes in many forms. Atheists have
faith there is no God. They have no way to prove it. They merely believe it.
Faith transcends reason. Religion tries to explain what is beyond the mind
to demonstrate. The only thing atheists can do is reject that explanation.
Nothing more. You presume too much and think too little. This makes you
human. I forgive you. But I don't respect you.

****** This line separates my response from the foregoing ******

Ah yes...the infamous Village Idiot "Look here, not there" ploy once again
as executed by someone not the Village Idiot. There is not one thing in
this response that at all relates to the "universal" church being 2016 years
old as DGW - aka "***@lusfiber.net" - said. Note well, folks, the
deletion of all prior headers by "me" - aka " ***@gmail.com." Of
course, the "Look here, not there" ploy is much commonly employed...as
here...by those who cannot respond logically or with facts. You just have
to love there people like "me" here who obviously have been taking classes
from the Village Idiot.

[me]

You are unaware of apples vs oranges.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_and_rationality

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

"me" wrote in message news:5528c364-4a29-4fe6-9ed7-***@googlegroups.com...

You are unaware of apples vs oranges.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_and_rationality

****** This line separates my response from the foregoing ******

[chuckle, chuckle, chuckle]
And yet even another "Look here, not there" ploy.
There is absolutely, positively, no doubt whatsoever nothing...repeat,
nothing at all...in your link even addressing any kind of "universal" church
2016 years old. You do like to play with yourself don't you? Why? Because
you do keep playing with your very own self with these Village Idiot "Look
here, not there" ploys of yours.

[me]

You need to hide behind a new ploy. Can you find one?

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

"me" wrote in message news:04740c44-94e8-4589-87d6-***@googlegroups.com...

You need to hide behind a new ploy. Can you find one?

****** This line separates my response from the foregoing ******

[chuckle]
Seeing that you again in your reply have no...not one...sentence bearing on
a "universal" church 2016 years old, you yourself once again deploy your
"Look here, not there" ploy yet once again!
Good work!
Keep up your "Look here, not there" ploys!
Wonderful, just wonderful!
Superbly done...oh, superbly done!
More! More!

[GLOBALIST]

Post by me
You are unaware of apples vs oranges.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_and_rationality

Thanks for posting this site.
I am going to save it.
It is what I have been saying
all along but some folks
simply don't get it.

[mg]

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:20:03 -0700, "Lawrence Akutagawa"

Post by Lawrence Akutagawa
Now here is a rather interesting take on the Catholic Church, arguing as it
does that the church is not keeping up/does not keep up with the times.
"This stands in stark contrast to the sociocultural values espoused by the
church. These are now in opposition to majority moral attitudes in many
parts of the world."
http://www.newsweek.com/catholic-church-tarnished-beyond-repair-449885?rx=us
BY BRENDAN CANAVAN ON 4/24/16 AT 10:00 AM
When the chief executive of Goldman Sachs, Lloyd Blankfein, told a newspaper
the company was “doing God’s work,” his appeal on behalf of higher powers
was an attempt to rescue the tainted reputation of not only his own
investment bank but the entire industry.
But for the Catholic Church, even this most obvious of strategies might not
be enough to stem an inexorable decline.
The church is one of the oldest and most profitable brands in history.
Financial details are kept sketchy, but this vast multinational dwarfs any
other.
The Economist has estimated that in 2010, spending by the U.S. branch of the
church and its various entities (probably the wealthiest and least opaque of
the global organization’s chapters) was $170 billion. Yet the church is
beset by problems.
As many brands have found out (the BBC’s experience of sex abuse claims, for
instance), handling the fallout from a disgrace is perhaps more important
than the scandal itself. The drip feed of negative headlines associated with
sexual abuse and its cover-up has irreparably tarnished the Catholic brand
for many.The Conversation
There is a more fundamental threat to Catholicism, however: irrelevance.
/snip - read the cited linked article/

I don't think the Catholic church is going anywhere.

"In 1910, Catholics comprised about half (48%) of all Christians and
17% of the world’s total population, according to historical
estimates from the World Christian Database. A century later, the
Pew Research study found, Catholics still comprise about half (50%)
of Christians worldwide and 16% of the total global population." In
the U.S., the percentage of the population that is Catholic is 24%
and even though a lot of Americans have left the Catholic church,
they are being replaced by Catholic immigrants from South America.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/02/13/the-global-catholic-population/