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Leo Terrell alarmed by Kamala Harris telling Americans to start buying Christmas presents
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Johnny
2021-08-24 15:19:39 UTC
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By Fox News Staff
Published 17 mins ago

Fox News contributor Leo Terrell expressed concern on "Fox & Friends"
Tuesday that Democrats are aiming to shut down the U.S. economy again
after Vice President Kamala Harris advised shoppers to consider buying
Christmas presents now due to global supply chain issues.

LEO TERRELL: That scares me because that sounds like shutdown, that
sounds like we're going to expect that the economy is going to
basically be locked down again. And that's frightening. Again, the
Democrats have used the pandemic to control Americans. And basically
that sounds like a very dangerous warning sign.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/kamala-harris-christmas-shopping-leo-terrell

The democrats used the pandemic to win the last presidential election,
with special voting rules, and with the mid-term elections coming up,
they are going to try and do it again.


While telling everyone to wear masks again, Nancy Pelosi doesn't wear
one.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-elitist-democrats-want-you-to-shut-up-and-obey

America is facing a similar moment right now. Once again, officials in
California have been caught on camera exposing their own contempt for
their own public health measures. Video has emerged from a Democratic
fundraiser on Sunday morning in Napa Valley, just north of San
Francisco. Nancy Pelosi was there. She’s got an estate nearby. So were
other Democratic officials, as well as the party’s biggest donors, who
paid $30,000 a ticket to be there. The first thing you notice about the
group, other than how strikingly non-diverse it is, is that none of
them are wearing masks.
El Castor
2021-08-24 20:17:21 UTC
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I think you are reading too much into that Kamala statement. It's not
a plot or scheme. The global supply chain issue is real. It's a
genuine problem of shortages caused by shipping and production issues,
largely in other parts of the world. For instance, car and electronics
manufacturing has been severely impacted by a computer chip shortage.
This isn't a US issue as much as it is a global problem. As COVID
variants crop up around the world, manufacturing and shipping will
continue to be impacted.

"Aug. 23—A shortage of automotive computer chips has pinched
production and supply for automakers, dealers and customers
worldwide."
https://news.yahoo.com/worldwide-auto-chip-shortage-felt-035900965.html

"How the World Ran Out of Everything
Global shortages of many goods reflect the disruption of the pandemic
combined with decades of companies limiting their inventories."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/01/business/coronavirus-global-shortages.html#:~:text=The%20shortages%20in%20the%20world%20economy%20stem%20from,arriving%20by%20ship%20to%20North%20America%20and%20Europe.

"iPhone 13 and MacBook shortages could be Apple’s next big problem
Apple revenue is up, but shortages limited Mac and iPad sales"
https://www.techradar.com/news/iphone-13-and-macbook-shortages-could-be-apples-next-big-problem
Post by Johnny
By Fox News Staff
Published 17 mins ago
Fox News contributor Leo Terrell expressed concern on "Fox & Friends"
Tuesday that Democrats are aiming to shut down the U.S. economy again
after Vice President Kamala Harris advised shoppers to consider buying
Christmas presents now due to global supply chain issues.
LEO TERRELL: That scares me because that sounds like shutdown, that
sounds like we're going to expect that the economy is going to
basically be locked down again. And that's frightening. Again, the
Democrats have used the pandemic to control Americans. And basically
that sounds like a very dangerous warning sign.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/kamala-harris-christmas-shopping-leo-terrell
The democrats used the pandemic to win the last presidential election,
with special voting rules, and with the mid-term elections coming up,
they are going to try and do it again.
While telling everyone to wear masks again, Nancy Pelosi doesn't wear
one.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-elitist-democrats-want-you-to-shut-up-and-obey
America is facing a similar moment right now. Once again, officials in
California have been caught on camera exposing their own contempt for
their own public health measures. Video has emerged from a Democratic
fundraiser on Sunday morning in Napa Valley, just north of San
Francisco. Nancy Pelosi was there. She’s got an estate nearby. So were
other Democratic officials, as well as the party’s biggest donors, who
paid $30,000 a ticket to be there. The first thing you notice about the
group, other than how strikingly non-diverse it is, is that none of
them are wearing masks.
Johnny
2021-08-24 20:45:59 UTC
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
Post by El Castor
I think you are reading too much into that Kamala statement. It's not
a plot or scheme. The global supply chain issue is real. It's a
genuine problem of shortages caused by shipping and production issues,
largely in other parts of the world. For instance, car and electronics
manufacturing has been severely impacted by a computer chip shortage.
This isn't a US issue as much as it is a global problem. As COVID
variants crop up around the world, manufacturing and shipping will
continue to be impacted.
"Aug. 23—A shortage of automotive computer chips has pinched
production and supply for automakers, dealers and customers
worldwide."
https://news.yahoo.com/worldwide-auto-chip-shortage-felt-035900965.html
"How the World Ran Out of Everything
Global shortages of many goods reflect the disruption of the pandemic
combined with decades of companies limiting their inventories."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/01/business/coronavirus-global-shortages.html#:~:text=The%20shortages%20in%20the%20world%20economy%20stem%20from,arriving%20by%20ship%20to%20North%20America%20and%20Europe.
"iPhone 13 and MacBook shortages could be Apple’s next big problem
Apple revenue is up, but shortages limited Mac and iPad sales"
https://www.techradar.com/news/iphone-13-and-macbook-shortages-could-be-apples-next-big-problem
Post by Johnny
By Fox News Staff
Published 17 mins ago
Fox News contributor Leo Terrell expressed concern on "Fox & Friends"
Tuesday that Democrats are aiming to shut down the U.S. economy again
after Vice President Kamala Harris advised shoppers to consider
buying Christmas presents now due to global supply chain issues.
LEO TERRELL: That scares me because that sounds like shutdown, that
sounds like we're going to expect that the economy is going to
basically be locked down again. And that's frightening. Again, the
Democrats have used the pandemic to control Americans. And basically
that sounds like a very dangerous warning sign.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/kamala-harris-christmas-shopping-leo-terrell
Maybe Leo Terrel is reading too much into Harris's statement, but I
doubt it.

I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term elections. They
want another lock down.
El Castor
2021-08-24 23:00:22 UTC
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
Post by El Castor
I think you are reading too much into that Kamala statement. It's not
a plot or scheme. The global supply chain issue is real. It's a
genuine problem of shortages caused by shipping and production issues,
largely in other parts of the world. For instance, car and electronics
manufacturing has been severely impacted by a computer chip shortage.
This isn't a US issue as much as it is a global problem. As COVID
variants crop up around the world, manufacturing and shipping will
continue to be impacted.
"Aug. 23—A shortage of automotive computer chips has pinched
production and supply for automakers, dealers and customers
worldwide."
https://news.yahoo.com/worldwide-auto-chip-shortage-felt-035900965.html
"How the World Ran Out of Everything
Global shortages of many goods reflect the disruption of the pandemic
combined with decades of companies limiting their inventories."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/01/business/coronavirus-global-shortages.html#:~:text=The%20shortages%20in%20the%20world%20economy%20stem%20from,arriving%20by%20ship%20to%20North%20America%20and%20Europe.
"iPhone 13 and MacBook shortages could be Apple’s next big problem
Apple revenue is up, but shortages limited Mac and iPad sales"
https://www.techradar.com/news/iphone-13-and-macbook-shortages-could-be-apples-next-big-problem
Post by Johnny
By Fox News Staff
Published 17 mins ago
Fox News contributor Leo Terrell expressed concern on "Fox & Friends"
Tuesday that Democrats are aiming to shut down the U.S. economy again
after Vice President Kamala Harris advised shoppers to consider
buying Christmas presents now due to global supply chain issues.
LEO TERRELL: That scares me because that sounds like shutdown, that
sounds like we're going to expect that the economy is going to
basically be locked down again. And that's frightening. Again, the
Democrats have used the pandemic to control Americans. And basically
that sounds like a very dangerous warning sign.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/kamala-harris-christmas-shopping-leo-terrell
Maybe Leo Terrel is reading too much into Harris's statement, but I
doubt it.
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term elections. They
want another lock down.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus not much in
the way of election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud, cheating, and
bus loads of fake voters is a Democrat specialty. Liberalism is their
religion -- so cheat and lie, it's all for a good and noble cause, or
so they believe. Photo IDs are our best hope, but the Dems will fight
that to the end.

Anyhow, Biden and his handlers are screwing things up so badly that
even for Dems stealing the next election is going to be a tough
proposition (I hope). (-8
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-24 23:36:43 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term elections. They
want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for political
reasons, they are stupid.
Post by El Castor
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus not much in
the way of election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud, cheating, and
bus loads of fake voters is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
El Castor
2021-08-25 05:35:33 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term elections. They
want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for political
reasons, they are stupid.
Post by El Castor
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus not much in
the way of election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud, cheating, and
bus loads of fake voters is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
How about this:
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for
election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at Chicago
concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been the most corrupt
area in the country since 1976,” in an obdurate race to the bottom
with Louisiana’s record. According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the
third-most corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/

Or this:
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals Elections" ...
"There is another new term in our lexicon – “ballot harvesting.” It
has begun to spread across the country and there could not be anything
that is more destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy
than this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot harvesting
are against voter ID laws or having county registrars clean the voter
rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-25 21:35:55 UTC
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term elections. They
want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for political
reasons, they are stupid.
Post by El Castor
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus not much in
the way of election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud, cheating, and
bus loads of fake voters is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for
election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at Chicago
concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been the most corrupt
area in the country since 1976,” in an obdurate race to the bottom
with Louisiana’s record. According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the
third-most corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind). But,
that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead, it's an act of
the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals Elections" ...
"There is another new term in our lexicon – “ballot harvesting.” It
has begun to spread across the country and there could not be anything
that is more destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy
than this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot harvesting
are against voter ID laws or having county registrars clean the voter
rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each voter can
predesignate people who are authorized to collect their ballot (and
campaign and party officials are not permitted). The Supreme Court just
upheld an Arizona regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as
applied to Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of ballot
harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina congressional candidate
referred in your link. And he almost certainly filled out ballots
against the wishes of the voters.
El Castor
2021-08-26 05:29:11 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term elections. They
want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for political
reasons, they are stupid.
Post by El Castor
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus not much in
the way of election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud, cheating, and
bus loads of fake voters is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for
election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at Chicago
concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been the most corrupt
area in the country since 1976,” in an obdurate race to the bottom
with Louisiana’s record. According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the
third-most corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind). But,
that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead, it's an act of
the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals Elections" ...
"There is another new term in our lexicon – “ballot harvesting.” It
has begun to spread across the country and there could not be anything
that is more destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy
than this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot harvesting
are against voter ID laws or having county registrars clean the voter
rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each voter can
predesignate people who are authorized to collect their ballot (and
campaign and party officials are not permitted). The Supreme Court just
upheld an Arizona regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as
applied to Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of ballot
harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina congressional candidate
referred in your link. And he almost certainly filled out ballots
against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement that
makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is that?
Johnny
2021-08-26 13:17:52 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term elections.
They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for political
reasons, they are stupid.
Post by El Castor
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus not
much in the way of election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud,
cheating, and bus loads of fake voters is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for
election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at Chicago
concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been the most
corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an obdurate race to
the bottom with Louisiana’s record. According to that 2012 study,
Illinois is the third-most corrupt state in the union, after New
York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind). But,
that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead, it's an act
of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals Elections"
... "There is another new term in our lexicon – “ballot
harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the country and there
could not be anything that is more destructive to protecting the
sanctity of our democracy than this idea. Just look at North
Carolina and California." ... "It makes sense that the same people
who encourage ballot harvesting are against voter ID laws or
having county registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each voter can
predesignate people who are authorized to collect their ballot (and
campaign and party officials are not permitted). The Supreme Court
just upheld an Arizona regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting
even as applied to Native Americans who live on reservations who
lack access to mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only
illegal use of ballot harvesting was by the Republican North
Carolina congressional candidate referred in your link. And he
almost certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the
voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement that
makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is that?
From the ACLU website:

Voter ID laws deprive many voters of their right to vote, reduce
participation, and stand in direct opposition to our country’s trend of
including more Americans in the democratic process. Many Americans do
not have one of the forms of identification states acceptable for
voting. These voters are disproportionately low-income, racial and
ethnic minorities, the elderly, and people with disabilities. Such
voters more frequently have difficulty obtaining ID, because they
cannot afford or cannot obtain the underlying documents that are a
prerequisite to obtaining government-issued photo ID card.

https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

It's all a bunch of lies.

Almost every adult in the US has a driver's license with their photo.

These elderly and disabled have social security benefits and medicare
or Medicaid. How did they sign up to get these benefits.

And of course they say racial minorities are disproportionately
affected. Another lie.

What the democrats really want is for the thirty million illegal
immigrants to be able to walk into any polling place and vote for the
democrat candidate.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-26 15:23:53 UTC
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term elections. They
want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for political
reasons, they are stupid.
Post by El Castor
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus not much in
the way of election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud, cheating, and
bus loads of fake voters is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for
election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at Chicago
concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been the most corrupt
area in the country since 1976,” in an obdurate race to the bottom
with Louisiana’s record. According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the
third-most corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind). But,
that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead, it's an act of
the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals Elections" ...
"There is another new term in our lexicon – “ballot harvesting.” It
has begun to spread across the country and there could not be anything
that is more destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy
than this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot harvesting
are against voter ID laws or having county registrars clean the voter
rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each voter can
predesignate people who are authorized to collect their ballot (and
campaign and party officials are not permitted). The Supreme Court just
upheld an Arizona regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as
applied to Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of ballot
harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina congressional candidate
referred in your link. And he almost certainly filled out ballots
against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement that
makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more difficult,
something Republicans seem to always oppose.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-26 23:35:21 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term elections. They
want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for political
reasons, they are stupid.
Post by El Castor
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus not much in
the way of election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud, cheating, and
bus loads of fake voters is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for
election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at Chicago
concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been the most corrupt
area in the country since 1976,” in an obdurate race to the bottom
with Louisiana’s record. According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the
third-most corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind). But,
that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead, it's an act of
the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals Elections" ...
"There is another new term in our lexicon – “ballot harvesting.” It
has begun to spread across the country and there could not be anything
that is more destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy
than this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot harvesting
are against voter ID laws or having county registrars clean the voter
rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each voter can
predesignate people who are authorized to collect their ballot (and
campaign and party officials are not permitted). The Supreme Court just
upheld an Arizona regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as
applied to Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of ballot
harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina congressional candidate
referred in your link. And he almost certainly filled out ballots
against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement that
makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more difficult,
something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on other
matters, American progressives often look to with envy -- all but one
country requires a government-issued photo voter ID to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long as 1)
the government goes well out of its way to get people registered to vote
and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to no-excuse mail-in voting
and 3) provides ample in-person early voting.
El Castor
2021-08-27 00:35:54 UTC
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Post by Johnny
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I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term elections. They
want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for political
reasons, they are stupid.
Post by El Castor
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus not much in
the way of election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud, cheating, and
bus loads of fake voters is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for
election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at Chicago
concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been the most corrupt
area in the country since 1976,” in an obdurate race to the bottom
with Louisiana’s record. According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the
third-most corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind). But,
that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead, it's an act of
the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals Elections" ...
"There is another new term in our lexicon – “ballot harvesting.” It
has begun to spread across the country and there could not be anything
that is more destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy
than this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot harvesting
are against voter ID laws or having county registrars clean the voter
rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each voter can
predesignate people who are authorized to collect their ballot (and
campaign and party officials are not permitted). The Supreme Court just
upheld an Arizona regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as
applied to Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of ballot
harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina congressional candidate
referred in your link. And he almost certainly filled out ballots
against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement that
makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more difficult,
something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on other
matters, American progressives often look to with envy -- all but one
country requires a government-issued photo voter ID to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long as 1)
the government goes well out of its way to get people registered to vote
and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to no-excuse mail-in voting
and 3) provides ample in-person early voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".

"Rewards shift the duty of voting to job you need to get paid for.
Incentives could be argued as trivializing the civic value of the act.
Are we ready to take the risk of potentially damaging the real meaning
of voting and democracy to increase the voter turnout? Is it better
for a political system to be legitimated by a large amount of voters
no matter their motivations or by a few one deeply engaged in it? Just
like compulsory voting, an incentive-based voting system is not black
and white - -but it’s worthy of debate…"
https://www.fairvote.org/incentives-to-vote-a-trivial-carrot-or-a-reliable-solution-for-increasing-voting-turnout
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-27 01:33:27 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term elections. They
want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for political
reasons, they are stupid.
Post by El Castor
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus not much in
the way of election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud, cheating, and
bus loads of fake voters is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for
election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at Chicago
concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been the most corrupt
area in the country since 1976,” in an obdurate race to the bottom
with Louisiana’s record. According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the
third-most corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind). But,
that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead, it's an act of
the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals Elections" ...
"There is another new term in our lexicon – “ballot harvesting.” It
has begun to spread across the country and there could not be anything
that is more destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy
than this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot harvesting
are against voter ID laws or having county registrars clean the voter
rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each voter can
predesignate people who are authorized to collect their ballot (and
campaign and party officials are not permitted). The Supreme Court just
upheld an Arizona regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as
applied to Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of ballot
harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina congressional candidate
referred in your link. And he almost certainly filled out ballots
against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement that
makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more difficult,
something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on other
matters, American progressives often look to with envy -- all but one
country requires a government-issued photo voter ID to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long as 1)
the government goes well out of its way to get people registered to vote
and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to no-excuse mail-in voting
and 3) provides ample in-person early voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
Post by El Castor
"Rewards shift the duty of voting to job you need to get paid for.
Incentives could be argued as trivializing the civic value of the act.
Are we ready to take the risk of potentially damaging the real meaning
of voting and democracy to increase the voter turnout? Is it better
for a political system to be legitimated by a large amount of voters
no matter their motivations or by a few one deeply engaged in it? Just
like compulsory voting, an incentive-based voting system is not black
and white - -but it’s worthy of debate…"
https://www.fairvote.org/incentives-to-vote-a-trivial-carrot-or-a-reliable-solution-for-increasing-voting-turnout
El Castor
2021-08-27 06:16:15 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term elections. They
want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for political
reasons, they are stupid.
Post by El Castor
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus not much in
the way of election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud, cheating, and
bus loads of fake voters is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for
election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at Chicago
concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been the most corrupt
area in the country since 1976,” in an obdurate race to the bottom
with Louisiana’s record. According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the
third-most corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind). But,
that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead, it's an act of
the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals Elections" ...
"There is another new term in our lexicon – “ballot harvesting.” It
has begun to spread across the country and there could not be anything
that is more destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy
than this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot harvesting
are against voter ID laws or having county registrars clean the voter
rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each voter can
predesignate people who are authorized to collect their ballot (and
campaign and party officials are not permitted). The Supreme Court just
upheld an Arizona regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as
applied to Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of ballot
harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina congressional candidate
referred in your link. And he almost certainly filled out ballots
against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement that
makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more difficult,
something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on other
matters, American progressives often look to with envy -- all but one
country requires a government-issued photo voter ID to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long as 1)
the government goes well out of its way to get people registered to vote
and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to no-excuse mail-in voting
and 3) provides ample in-person early voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
Hmmm. Advertised in the "community" and "other places people go to". I
have the uneasy feeling that those malls and "other places" might be
focused on areas heavily frequented by those that the party in power
is interested in encouraging to vote. So, how should it be publicized?
No idea. Maybe newspapers, TV, radio, and billboards? Spanish as well
as English? How is it done now? By the Partys?
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
"Rewards shift the duty of voting to job you need to get paid for.
Incentives could be argued as trivializing the civic value of the act.
Are we ready to take the risk of potentially damaging the real meaning
of voting and democracy to increase the voter turnout? Is it better
for a political system to be legitimated by a large amount of voters
no matter their motivations or by a few one deeply engaged in it? Just
like compulsory voting, an incentive-based voting system is not black
and white - -but it’s worthy of debate…"
https://www.fairvote.org/incentives-to-vote-a-trivial-carrot-or-a-reliable-solution-for-increasing-voting-turnout
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-27 15:46:26 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:33:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term elections. They
want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for political
reasons, they are stupid.
Post by El Castor
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus not much in
the way of election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud, cheating, and
bus loads of fake voters is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for
election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at Chicago
concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been the most corrupt
area in the country since 1976,” in an obdurate race to the bottom
with Louisiana’s record. According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the
third-most corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind). But,
that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead, it's an act of
the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals Elections" ...
"There is another new term in our lexicon – “ballot harvesting.” It
has begun to spread across the country and there could not be anything
that is more destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy
than this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot harvesting
are against voter ID laws or having county registrars clean the voter
rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each voter can
predesignate people who are authorized to collect their ballot (and
campaign and party officials are not permitted). The Supreme Court just
upheld an Arizona regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as
applied to Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of ballot
harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina congressional candidate
referred in your link. And he almost certainly filled out ballots
against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement that
makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more difficult,
something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on other
matters, American progressives often look to with envy -- all but one
country requires a government-issued photo voter ID to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long as 1)
the government goes well out of its way to get people registered to vote
and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to no-excuse mail-in voting
and 3) provides ample in-person early voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
Hmmm. Advertised in the "community" and "other places people go to". I
have the uneasy feeling that those malls and "other places" might be
focused on areas heavily frequented by those that the party in power
is interested in encouraging to vote. So, how should it be publicized?
No idea. Maybe newspapers, TV, radio, and billboards? Spanish as well
as English? How is it done now? By the Partys?
Most definitely not by the political parties. These have to be
non-partisan affairs that are run in the same way no matter which party
is in power and without preference for any particular class of voter.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
"Rewards shift the duty of voting to job you need to get paid for.
Incentives could be argued as trivializing the civic value of the act.
Are we ready to take the risk of potentially damaging the real meaning
of voting and democracy to increase the voter turnout? Is it better
for a political system to be legitimated by a large amount of voters
no matter their motivations or by a few one deeply engaged in it? Just
like compulsory voting, an incentive-based voting system is not black
and white - -but it’s worthy of debate…"
https://www.fairvote.org/incentives-to-vote-a-trivial-carrot-or-a-reliable-solution-for-increasing-voting-turnout
El Castor
2021-08-28 07:50:13 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:33:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term elections. They
want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for political
reasons, they are stupid.
Post by El Castor
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus not much in
the way of election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud, cheating, and
bus loads of fake voters is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old notoriety for
election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at Chicago
concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been the most corrupt
area in the country since 1976,” in an obdurate race to the bottom
with Louisiana’s record. According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the
third-most corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind). But,
that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead, it's an act of
the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals Elections" ...
"There is another new term in our lexicon – “ballot harvesting.” It
has begun to spread across the country and there could not be anything
that is more destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy
than this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot harvesting
are against voter ID laws or having county registrars clean the voter
rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each voter can
predesignate people who are authorized to collect their ballot (and
campaign and party officials are not permitted). The Supreme Court just
upheld an Arizona regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as
applied to Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of ballot
harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina congressional candidate
referred in your link. And he almost certainly filled out ballots
against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement that
makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more difficult,
something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on other
matters, American progressives often look to with envy -- all but one
country requires a government-issued photo voter ID to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long as 1)
the government goes well out of its way to get people registered to vote
and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to no-excuse mail-in voting
and 3) provides ample in-person early voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
Hmmm. Advertised in the "community" and "other places people go to". I
have the uneasy feeling that those malls and "other places" might be
focused on areas heavily frequented by those that the party in power
is interested in encouraging to vote. So, how should it be publicized?
No idea. Maybe newspapers, TV, radio, and billboards? Spanish as well
as English? How is it done now? By the Partys?
Most definitely not by the political parties. These have to be
non-partisan affairs that are run in the same way no matter which party
is in power and without preference for any particular class of voter.
Nice theory, but in practice not the way either party works.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
"Rewards shift the duty of voting to job you need to get paid for.
Incentives could be argued as trivializing the civic value of the act.
Are we ready to take the risk of potentially damaging the real meaning
of voting and democracy to increase the voter turnout? Is it better
for a political system to be legitimated by a large amount of voters
no matter their motivations or by a few one deeply engaged in it? Just
like compulsory voting, an incentive-based voting system is not black
and white - -but it’s worthy of debate…"
https://www.fairvote.org/incentives-to-vote-a-trivial-carrot-or-a-reliable-solution-for-increasing-voting-turnout
Johnny
2021-08-27 12:12:55 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus
not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake voters
is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been
the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an
obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind).
But, that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead,
it's an act of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy than
this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as applied to
Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina
congressional candidate referred in your link. And he almost
certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy --
all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID
to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long
as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get people
registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to
no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to do if
they want to get voters registered. That's how I got registered. I
was at a school for something I forget, but there were two ladies
sitting at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
"Rewards shift the duty of voting to job you need to get paid for.
Incentives could be argued as trivializing the civic value of the
act. Are we ready to take the risk of potentially damaging the real
meaning of voting and democracy to increase the voter turnout? Is
it better for a political system to be legitimated by a large
amount of voters no matter their motivations or by a few one deeply
engaged in it? Just like compulsory voting, an incentive-based
voting system is not black and white - -but it’s worthy of debate…"
https://www.fairvote.org/incentives-to-vote-a-trivial-carrot-or-a-reliable-solution-for-increasing-voting-turnout
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-27 15:48:08 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus
not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake voters
is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been
the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an
obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind).
But, that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead,
it's an act of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy than
this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as applied to
Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina
congressional candidate referred in your link. And he almost
certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy --
all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID
to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long
as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get people
registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to
no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to do if
they want to get voters registered. That's how I got registered. I
was at a school for something I forget, but there were two ladies
sitting at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest to
overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
El Castor
2021-08-28 08:02:43 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus
not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake voters
is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been
the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an
obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind).
But, that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead,
it's an act of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy than
this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as applied to
Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina
congressional candidate referred in your link. And he almost
certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy --
all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID
to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long
as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get people
registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to
no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to do if
they want to get voters registered. That's how I got registered. I
was at a school for something I forget, but there were two ladies
sitting at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest to
overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-28 15:15:38 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:33:27 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus
not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake voters
is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been
the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an
obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind).
But, that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead,
it's an act of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy than
this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as applied to
Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina
congressional candidate referred in your link. And he almost
certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy --
all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID
to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long
as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get people
registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to
no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to do if
they want to get voters registered. That's how I got registered. I
was at a school for something I forget, but there were two ladies
sitting at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest to
overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to proactively get
people registered with their IDs.
Johnny
2021-08-28 15:17:42 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:48:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:33:27 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained --
thus not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake
voters is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has
been the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in
an obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and
California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to
mind). But, that's got nothing to do with being a
Democrat. Instead, it's an act of the power hungry (ditto
for Tammany Hall in NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy
than this idea. Just look at North Carolina and
California." ... "It makes sense that the same people who
encourage ballot harvesting are against voter ID laws or
having county registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as applied
to Native Americans who live on reservations who lack
access to mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only
illegal use of ballot harvesting was by the Republican
North Carolina congressional candidate referred in your
link. And he almost certainly filled out ballots against
the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy
-- all but one country requires a government-issued photo
voter ID to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so
long as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get
people registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent
opt-in to no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample
in-person early voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many
weekends in the community in places like malls and other places
people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to
do if they want to get voters registered. That's how I got
registered. I was at a school for something I forget, but there
were two ladies sitting at a table, and when I walked by they
asked me if I was registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22
years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest
to overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to proactively
get people registered with their IDs.
How many American citizens don't have an ID?
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-28 17:25:38 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:48:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:33:27 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained --
thus not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake
voters is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has
been the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in
an obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and
California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to
mind). But, that's got nothing to do with being a
Democrat. Instead, it's an act of the power hungry (ditto
for Tammany Hall in NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy
than this idea. Just look at North Carolina and
California." ... "It makes sense that the same people who
encourage ballot harvesting are against voter ID laws or
having county registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as applied
to Native Americans who live on reservations who lack
access to mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only
illegal use of ballot harvesting was by the Republican
North Carolina congressional candidate referred in your
link. And he almost certainly filled out ballots against
the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy
-- all but one country requires a government-issued photo
voter ID to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so
long as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get
people registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent
opt-in to no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample
in-person early voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many
weekends in the community in places like malls and other places
people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to
do if they want to get voters registered. That's how I got
registered. I was at a school for something I forget, but there
were two ladies sitting at a table, and when I walked by they
asked me if I was registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22
years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest
to overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to proactively
get people registered with their IDs.
How many American citizens don't have an ID?
Likely about 3 million.

https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
Johnny
2021-08-28 17:53:16 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
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Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained --
thus not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake
voters is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has
been the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,”
in an obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s
record. According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the
third-most corrupt state in the union, after New York
and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to
mind). But, that's got nothing to do with being a
Democrat. Instead, it's an act of the power hungry (ditto
for Tammany Hall in NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our
lexicon – “ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread
across the country and there could not be anything that
is more destructive to protecting the sanctity of our
democracy than this idea. Just look at North Carolina
and California." ... "It makes sense that the same
people who encourage ballot harvesting are against
voter ID laws or having county registrars clean the
voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby
each voter can predesignate people who are authorized to
collect their ballot (and campaign and party officials
are not permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an
Arizona regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even
as applied to Native Americans who live on reservations
who lack access to mail service. Disgusting. And
finally, the only illegal use of ballot harvesting was
by the Republican North Carolina congressional candidate
referred in your link. And he almost certainly filled
out ballots against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting
requirement that makes fraud more difficult -- such as
voter IDs. Why is that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where,
on other matters, American progressives often look to with
envy -- all but one country requires a government-issued
photo voter ID to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so
long as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get
people registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent
opt-in to no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample
in-person early voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many
weekends in the community in places like malls and other places
people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to
do if they want to get voters registered. That's how I got
registered. I was at a school for something I forget, but there
were two ladies sitting at a table, and when I walked by they
asked me if I was registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22
years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a
legitimate government interest), it becomes a legitimate
government interest to overcome obstacles to voting created by
the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to proactively
get people registered with their IDs.
How many American citizens don't have an ID?
Likely about 3 million.
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
From the article:

"So, that being said, we're interested in who doesn't have a voter ID
these days or who doesn't have a government-issued ID. What'd you find
out?

DADE: That's a good question, Michel. I think the first thing to look
at is to look at who actually drives. The most common form of
government-issued ID are driver's licenses and so the people who are
most unlikely to drive, as it is, is elderly, the poor, people who live
in big cities, like African-Americans, especially young people, too,
especially if they attend college. They may not have need for a car at
the moment.

And then people who are in rural areas. The other challenge for them is
they are not near the Department of Motor Vehicles offices, etc., etc.
where you would get these IDs.

-----

So from this article, people in big cities don't have drivers
licenses, and people in rural areas don't have drivers licenses.

That is the fault of the people. Mississippi is almost a completely
rural area, and the people have drivers licenses.

That part about college students not having drivers licenses is just
ridiculous.

The government is not putting obstacles in the way of voting, the
government just wants to know the person who is voting is really that
person.

I think voting should be done by social security number, I think
everyone has one of those.

There would be no fraud that way, because a social security number
could only be counted one time, no matter how many times someone tried
to use that number.

I got my social security number when I was 12 years old, and I imagine
most people get one before they become adults.
El Castor
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Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus
not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake voters
is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been
the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an
obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind).
But, that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead,
it's an act of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy than
this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as applied to
Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina
congressional candidate referred in your link. And he almost
certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy --
all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID
to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long
as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get people
registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to
no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to do if
they want to get voters registered. That's how I got registered. I
was at a school for something I forget, but there were two ladies
sitting at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest to
overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to proactively get
people registered with their IDs.
I'm not aware of any state with a voter ID law that does not issue
free IDs to all those qualified who request them. Can you provide a
real life example to the contrary?
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-28 18:47:53 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus
not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake voters
is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been
the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an
obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind).
But, that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead,
it's an act of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy than
this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as applied to
Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina
congressional candidate referred in your link. And he almost
certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy --
all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID
to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long
as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get people
registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to
no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to do if
they want to get voters registered. That's how I got registered. I
was at a school for something I forget, but there were two ladies
sitting at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest to
overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to proactively get
people registered with their IDs.
I'm not aware of any state with a voter ID law that does not issue
free IDs to all those qualified who request them. Can you provide a
real life example to the contrary?
No. But, that doesn't change my argument because having to request an ID
is an obstacle. I can think of no reason to oppose proactive
registration and ID issuance when coupled with voter ID except you don't
want eligible people to vote.
El Castor
2021-08-28 20:34:15 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus
not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake voters
is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been
the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an
obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind).
But, that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead,
it's an act of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy than
this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as applied to
Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina
congressional candidate referred in your link. And he almost
certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy --
all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID
to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long
as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get people
registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to
no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to do if
they want to get voters registered. That's how I got registered. I
was at a school for something I forget, but there were two ladies
sitting at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest to
overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to proactively get
people registered with their IDs.
I'm not aware of any state with a voter ID law that does not issue
free IDs to all those qualified who request them. Can you provide a
real life example to the contrary?
No. But, that doesn't change my argument because having to request an ID
is an obstacle. I can think of no reason to oppose proactive
registration and ID issuance when coupled with voter ID except you don't
want eligible people to vote.
Huh? I don't get it. Having to request an ID is an obstacle? If you
wish to vote, is having to actually vote an obstacle? If you are
hungry is having to go to the grocery store an obstacle? So what
exactly is "proactive registration"?
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-28 22:20:36 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus
not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake voters
is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been
the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an
obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind).
But, that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead,
it's an act of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy than
this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as applied to
Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina
congressional candidate referred in your link. And he almost
certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy --
all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID
to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long
as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get people
registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to
no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to do if
they want to get voters registered. That's how I got registered. I
was at a school for something I forget, but there were two ladies
sitting at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest to
overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to proactively get
people registered with their IDs.
I'm not aware of any state with a voter ID law that does not issue
free IDs to all those qualified who request them. Can you provide a
real life example to the contrary?
No. But, that doesn't change my argument because having to request an ID
is an obstacle. I can think of no reason to oppose proactive
registration and ID issuance when coupled with voter ID except you don't
want eligible people to vote.
Huh? I don't get it. Having to request an ID is an obstacle? If you
wish to vote, is having to actually vote an obstacle? If you are
hungry is having to go to the grocery store an obstacle? So what
exactly is "proactive registration"?
Having to get an ID is an obstacle. Having to show up at the polls on
election day is an obstacle. Having to go to the gorcery store is an
obstacle. I explained "proactive registration" already (see above). Why
do you oppose it?
El Castor
2021-08-28 23:50:04 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus
not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake voters
is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been
the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an
obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind).
But, that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead,
it's an act of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy than
this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as applied to
Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina
congressional candidate referred in your link. And he almost
certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy --
all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID
to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long
as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get people
registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to
no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to do if
they want to get voters registered. That's how I got registered. I
was at a school for something I forget, but there were two ladies
sitting at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest to
overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to proactively get
people registered with their IDs.
I'm not aware of any state with a voter ID law that does not issue
free IDs to all those qualified who request them. Can you provide a
real life example to the contrary?
No. But, that doesn't change my argument because having to request an ID
is an obstacle. I can think of no reason to oppose proactive
registration and ID issuance when coupled with voter ID except you don't
want eligible people to vote.
Huh? I don't get it. Having to request an ID is an obstacle? If you
wish to vote, is having to actually vote an obstacle? If you are
hungry is having to go to the grocery store an obstacle? So what
exactly is "proactive registration"?
Having to get an ID is an obstacle. Having to show up at the polls on
election day is an obstacle. Having to go to the gorcery store is an
obstacle. I explained "proactive registration" already (see above). Why
do you oppose it?
Why is going to the grocery store or filling out an absentee ballot an
obstacle for Democrats, but not Republicans??

Sorry, but I still don't get why or what "proactive registration"
really means. Are you hinting at, or avoiding, the unfortunate fact
that many Democrats are illiterate?
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-28 23:53:27 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 15:20:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 11:47:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:15:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:48:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:33:27 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus
not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake voters
is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been
the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an
obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind).
But, that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead,
it's an act of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy than
this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as applied to
Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina
congressional candidate referred in your link. And he almost
certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy --
all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID
to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long
as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get people
registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to
no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to do if
they want to get voters registered. That's how I got registered. I
was at a school for something I forget, but there were two ladies
sitting at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest to
overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to proactively get
people registered with their IDs.
I'm not aware of any state with a voter ID law that does not issue
free IDs to all those qualified who request them. Can you provide a
real life example to the contrary?
No. But, that doesn't change my argument because having to request an ID
is an obstacle. I can think of no reason to oppose proactive
registration and ID issuance when coupled with voter ID except you don't
want eligible people to vote.
Huh? I don't get it. Having to request an ID is an obstacle? If you
wish to vote, is having to actually vote an obstacle? If you are
hungry is having to go to the grocery store an obstacle? So what
exactly is "proactive registration"?
Having to get an ID is an obstacle. Having to show up at the polls on
election day is an obstacle. Having to go to the gorcery store is an
obstacle. I explained "proactive registration" already (see above). Why
do you oppose it?
Why is going to the grocery store or filling out an absentee ballot an
obstacle for Democrats, but not Republicans??
They are obstacles for both.
Post by El Castor
Sorry, but I still don't get why or what "proactive registration"
really means. Are you hinting at, or avoiding, the unfortunate fact
that many Democrats are illiterate?
Repeating: very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to. Why do
you oppose this idea?
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-29 00:17:42 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 15:20:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 11:47:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:15:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:48:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:33:27 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections.  They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained
-- thus
not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake
voters
is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region
has been
the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an
obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and
California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to
mind).
But, that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat.
Instead,
it's an act of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our
lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.”  It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our
democracy than
this idea.  Just look at North Carolina and
California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as
applied to
Native Americans who live on reservations who lack
access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal
use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina
congressional candidate referred in your link. And he
almost
certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the
voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy --
all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID
to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long
as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get people
registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to
no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to do if
they want to get voters registered.  That's how I got
registered.  I
was at a school for something I forget, but there were two ladies
sitting at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote.  I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest to
overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to
proactively get
people registered with their IDs.
I'm not aware of any state with a voter ID law that does not issue
free IDs to all those qualified who request them. Can you provide a
real life example to the contrary?
No. But, that doesn't change my argument because having to request an ID
is an obstacle. I can think of no reason to oppose proactive
registration and ID issuance when coupled with voter ID except you don't
want eligible people to vote.
Huh? I don't get it. Having to request an ID is an obstacle? If you
wish to vote, is having to actually vote an obstacle? If you are
hungry is having to go to the grocery store an obstacle? So what
exactly is "proactive registration"?
Having to get an ID is an obstacle. Having to show up at the polls on
election day is an obstacle. Having to go to the gorcery store is an
obstacle. I explained "proactive registration" already (see above). Why
do you oppose it?
Why is going to the grocery store or filling out an absentee ballot an
obstacle for Democrats, but not Republicans??
They are obstacles for both.
I wrote that before you changed "showing up at the polls on election
day" to "filling out an absentee ballot." That's why I also call for
one-time, permanent sign up for no-excuse mail-in voting. Do you oppose
that too?
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Sorry, but I still don't get why or what "proactive registration"
really means. Are you hinting at, or avoiding, the unfortunate fact
that many Democrats are illiterate?
Repeating: very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to. Why do
you oppose this idea?
El Castor
2021-08-29 04:25:23 UTC
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 17:17:42 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 15:20:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 11:47:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:15:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:48:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:33:27 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections.  They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained
-- thus
not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake
voters
is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region
has been
the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an
obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and
California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to
mind).
But, that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat.
Instead,
it's an act of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our
lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.”  It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our
democracy than
this idea.  Just look at North Carolina and
California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to
collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as
applied to
Native Americans who live on reservations who lack
access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal
use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina
congressional candidate referred in your link. And he
almost
certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the
voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting
requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs.
Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy --
all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID
to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long
as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get people
registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to
no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to do if
they want to get voters registered.  That's how I got
registered.  I
was at a school for something I forget, but there were two ladies
sitting at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote.  I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest to
overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to
proactively get
people registered with their IDs.
I'm not aware of any state with a voter ID law that does not issue
free IDs to all those qualified who request them. Can you provide a
real life example to the contrary?
No. But, that doesn't change my argument because having to request an ID
is an obstacle. I can think of no reason to oppose proactive
registration and ID issuance when coupled with voter ID except you don't
want eligible people to vote.
Huh? I don't get it. Having to request an ID is an obstacle? If you
wish to vote, is having to actually vote an obstacle? If you are
hungry is having to go to the grocery store an obstacle? So what
exactly is "proactive registration"?
Having to get an ID is an obstacle. Having to show up at the polls on
election day is an obstacle. Having to go to the gorcery store is an
obstacle. I explained "proactive registration" already (see above). Why
do you oppose it?
Why is going to the grocery store or filling out an absentee ballot an
obstacle for Democrats, but not Republicans??
They are obstacles for both.
I wrote that before you changed "showing up at the polls on election
day" to "filling out an absentee ballot." That's why I also call for
one-time, permanent sign up for no-excuse mail-in voting. Do you oppose
that too?
Fine with me as long as the mail-in voter had registered with proof of
citizenship, and provided a sample signature to be compared with that
on the mail-in ballot. BTW I just submitted a mail-in ballot for the
California recall election. Looking good for Larry Elder. (-8
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Sorry, but I still don't get why or what "proactive registration"
really means. Are you hinting at, or avoiding, the unfortunate fact
that many Democrats are illiterate?
Repeating: very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to. Why do
you oppose this idea?
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-29 04:38:31 UTC
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On 8/28/2021 9:25 PM, El Castor wrote:

{snip}
Post by El Castor
BTW I just submitted a mail-in ballot for the
California recall election. Looking good for Larry Elder. (-8
I'll take an even-odds bet on Newsom.

California's recall system is fucked up. It basically says you can rerun
election day over and over again. That's not how democracy is supposed
to work. Once you are elected, you should only be turned out before the
next election for grievous errors (perhaps enforced by a requirement of
a 65% vote to recall). If Elder were governor, I would vote against his
recall on that principle. Additionally, how stupid is it that the
replacement can win with less than 30% or even 20% of the vote.
El Castor
2021-08-29 06:08:23 UTC
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:38:31 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
BTW I just submitted a mail-in ballot for the
California recall election. Looking good for Larry Elder. (-8
I'll take an even-odds bet on Newsom.
California's recall system is fucked up. It basically says you can rerun
election day over and over again. That's not how democracy is supposed
to work. Once you are elected, you should only be turned out before the
next election for grievous errors (perhaps enforced by a requirement of
a 65% vote to recall). If Elder were governor, I would vote against his
recall on that principle. Additionally, how stupid is it that the
replacement can win with less than 30% or even 20% of the vote.
Well it is what it is. I agree that the recall process is strange to
say the least, but in all fairness California is a Democrat dominated
state, so no need to point the finger anywhere else. BTW, as you may
know, the California ballot system has an unusual feature. If you are
a California voter you might want to take a look.
https://voterstatus.sos.ca.gov/
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-29 15:52:43 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:38:31 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
BTW I just submitted a mail-in ballot for the
California recall election. Looking good for Larry Elder. (-8
I'll take an even-odds bet on Newsom.
California's recall system is fucked up. It basically says you can rerun
election day over and over again. That's not how democracy is supposed
to work. Once you are elected, you should only be turned out before the
next election for grievous errors (perhaps enforced by a requirement of
a 65% vote to recall). If Elder were governor, I would vote against his
recall on that principle. Additionally, how stupid is it that the
replacement can win with less than 30% or even 20% of the vote.
Well it is what it is. I agree that the recall process is strange to
say the least, but in all fairness California is a Democrat dominated
state, so no need to point the finger anywhere else.
Recall was established in 1911, long before California became a
Democratic stronghold.
Post by El Castor
BTW, as you may
know, the California ballot system has an unusual feature. If you are
a California voter you might want to take a look.
https://voterstatus.sos.ca.gov/
What's the issue?
El Castor
2021-08-29 18:50:40 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 08:52:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:38:31 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
BTW I just submitted a mail-in ballot for the
California recall election. Looking good for Larry Elder. (-8
I'll take an even-odds bet on Newsom.
California's recall system is fucked up. It basically says you can rerun
election day over and over again. That's not how democracy is supposed
to work. Once you are elected, you should only be turned out before the
next election for grievous errors (perhaps enforced by a requirement of
a 65% vote to recall). If Elder were governor, I would vote against his
recall on that principle. Additionally, how stupid is it that the
replacement can win with less than 30% or even 20% of the vote.
Well it is what it is. I agree that the recall process is strange to
say the least, but in all fairness California is a Democrat dominated
state, so no need to point the finger anywhere else.
Recall was established in 1911, long before California became a
Democratic stronghold.
California has been dominated by Democrats on and off for many years,
including the last 10. Too late to complain about the process being
used to (possibly) recall a Democrat governor. (-8
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
BTW, as you may
know, the California ballot system has an unusual feature. If you are
a California voter you might want to take a look.
https://voterstatus.sos.ca.gov/
What's the issue?
No issue, but interesting. Email notifications of the travels of your
mail-in ballot from receipt by the post office to counting by the
local registrar. Also, a way to review the status of your
registration. Not that important, but interesting.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-29 19:52:27 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 08:52:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:38:31 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
BTW I just submitted a mail-in ballot for the
California recall election. Looking good for Larry Elder. (-8
I'll take an even-odds bet on Newsom.
California's recall system is fucked up. It basically says you can rerun
election day over and over again. That's not how democracy is supposed
to work. Once you are elected, you should only be turned out before the
next election for grievous errors (perhaps enforced by a requirement of
a 65% vote to recall). If Elder were governor, I would vote against his
recall on that principle. Additionally, how stupid is it that the
replacement can win with less than 30% or even 20% of the vote.
Well it is what it is. I agree that the recall process is strange to
say the least, but in all fairness California is a Democrat dominated
state, so no need to point the finger anywhere else.
Recall was established in 1911, long before California became a
Democratic stronghold.
California has been dominated by Democrats on and off for many years,
including the last 10. Too late to complain about the process being
used to (possibly) recall a Democrat governor. (-8
My complaint has nothing to do with who is in office. Once again, I
would complain just the same if Elder were governor and being recalled.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
BTW, as you may
know, the California ballot system has an unusual feature. If you are
a California voter you might want to take a look.
https://voterstatus.sos.ca.gov/
What's the issue?
No issue, but interesting. Email notifications of the travels of your
mail-in ballot from receipt by the post office to counting by the
local registrar. Also, a way to review the status of your
registration. Not that important, but interesting.
I got an email saying my ballot was received and will be counted.
El Castor
2021-08-29 23:38:35 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:38:31 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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Post by El Castor
BTW I just submitted a mail-in ballot for the
California recall election. Looking good for Larry Elder. (-8
I'll take an even-odds bet on Newsom.
California's recall system is fucked up. It basically says you can rerun
election day over and over again. That's not how democracy is supposed
to work. Once you are elected, you should only be turned out before the
next election for grievous errors (perhaps enforced by a requirement of
a 65% vote to recall). If Elder were governor, I would vote against his
recall on that principle. Additionally, how stupid is it that the
replacement can win with less than 30% or even 20% of the vote.
Well it is what it is. I agree that the recall process is strange to
say the least, but in all fairness California is a Democrat dominated
state, so no need to point the finger anywhere else.
Recall was established in 1911, long before California became a
Democratic stronghold.
California has been dominated by Democrats on and off for many years,
including the last 10. Too late to complain about the process being
used to (possibly) recall a Democrat governor. (-8
My complaint has nothing to do with who is in office. Once again, I
would complain just the same if Elder were governor and being recalled.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
BTW, as you may
know, the California ballot system has an unusual feature. If you are
a California voter you might want to take a look.
https://voterstatus.sos.ca.gov/
What's the issue?
No issue, but interesting. Email notifications of the travels of your
mail-in ballot from receipt by the post office to counting by the
local registrar. Also, a way to review the status of your
registration. Not that important, but interesting.
I got an email saying my ballot was received and will be counted.
You'll get another one when it has been validated and counted.
El Castor
2021-08-29 04:16:49 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 15:20:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 11:47:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:15:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:48:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:33:27 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus
not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake voters
is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been
the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an
obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind).
But, that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead,
it's an act of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy than
this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as applied to
Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina
congressional candidate referred in your link. And he almost
certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy --
all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID
to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long
as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get people
registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to
no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to do if
they want to get voters registered. That's how I got registered. I
was at a school for something I forget, but there were two ladies
sitting at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest to
overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to proactively get
people registered with their IDs.
I'm not aware of any state with a voter ID law that does not issue
free IDs to all those qualified who request them. Can you provide a
real life example to the contrary?
No. But, that doesn't change my argument because having to request an ID
is an obstacle. I can think of no reason to oppose proactive
registration and ID issuance when coupled with voter ID except you don't
want eligible people to vote.
Huh? I don't get it. Having to request an ID is an obstacle? If you
wish to vote, is having to actually vote an obstacle? If you are
hungry is having to go to the grocery store an obstacle? So what
exactly is "proactive registration"?
Having to get an ID is an obstacle. Having to show up at the polls on
election day is an obstacle. Having to go to the gorcery store is an
obstacle. I explained "proactive registration" already (see above). Why
do you oppose it?
Why is going to the grocery store or filling out an absentee ballot an
obstacle for Democrats, but not Republicans??
They are obstacles for both.
Post by El Castor
Sorry, but I still don't get why or what "proactive registration"
really means. Are you hinting at, or avoiding, the unfortunate fact
that many Democrats are illiterate?
Repeating: very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to. Why do
you oppose this idea?
I don't oppose it. Registration to include proof of citizenship and
results in issuance of a photo ID. OK with you?
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-29 04:33:53 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:53:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 15:20:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 11:47:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:15:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:48:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:33:27 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus
not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake voters
is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been
the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an
obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind).
But, that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead,
it's an act of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy than
this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as applied to
Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina
congressional candidate referred in your link. And he almost
certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy --
all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID
to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long
as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get people
registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to
no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to do if
they want to get voters registered. That's how I got registered. I
was at a school for something I forget, but there were two ladies
sitting at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest to
overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to proactively get
people registered with their IDs.
I'm not aware of any state with a voter ID law that does not issue
free IDs to all those qualified who request them. Can you provide a
real life example to the contrary?
No. But, that doesn't change my argument because having to request an ID
is an obstacle. I can think of no reason to oppose proactive
registration and ID issuance when coupled with voter ID except you don't
want eligible people to vote.
Huh? I don't get it. Having to request an ID is an obstacle? If you
wish to vote, is having to actually vote an obstacle? If you are
hungry is having to go to the grocery store an obstacle? So what
exactly is "proactive registration"?
Having to get an ID is an obstacle. Having to show up at the polls on
election day is an obstacle. Having to go to the gorcery store is an
obstacle. I explained "proactive registration" already (see above). Why
do you oppose it?
Why is going to the grocery store or filling out an absentee ballot an
obstacle for Democrats, but not Republicans??
They are obstacles for both.
Post by El Castor
Sorry, but I still don't get why or what "proactive registration"
really means. Are you hinting at, or avoiding, the unfortunate fact
that many Democrats are illiterate?
Repeating: very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to. Why do
you oppose this idea?
I don't oppose it. Registration to include proof of citizenship and
results in issuance of a photo ID. OK with you?
Yes. We have a deal. Voter ID with proactive registrationand issuance of
photo ID (with proof of citizenship), one-time permanent application for
no-excuse mail-in voting (with signature match), and in-person early voting.
El Castor
2021-08-29 06:15:21 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 15:20:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 11:47:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:15:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:48:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:33:27 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the mid term
elections. They want another lock down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want one for
political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's ingrained -- thus
not much in the way of election cheating. Ballot
harvesting, fraud, cheating, and bus loads of fake voters
is a Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’ decades-old
notoriety for election corruption is legendary" ...
"A political scientist at the University of Illinois at
Chicago concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region has been
the most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in an
obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s record.
According to that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine comes to mind).
But, that's got nothing to do with being a Democrat. Instead,
it's an act of the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It Steals
Elections" ... "There is another new term in our lexicon –
“ballot harvesting.” It has begun to spread across the
country and there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our democracy than
this idea. Just look at North Carolina and California." ...
"It makes sense that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting whereby each
voter can predesignate people who are authorized to collect
their ballot (and campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even as applied to
Native Americans who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North Carolina
congressional candidate referred in your link. And he almost
certainly filled out ballots against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting requirement
that makes fraud more difficult -- such as voter IDs. Why is
that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate voting more
difficult, something Republicans seem to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place where, on
other matters, American progressives often look to with envy --
all but one country requires a government-issued photo voter ID
to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of voter ID so long
as 1) the government goes well out of its way to get people
registered to vote and issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to
no-excuse mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each party to do if
they want to get voters registered. That's how I got registered. I
was at a school for something I forget, but there were two ladies
sitting at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a legitimate
government interest), it becomes a legitimate government interest to
overcome obstacles to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to proactively get
people registered with their IDs.
I'm not aware of any state with a voter ID law that does not issue
free IDs to all those qualified who request them. Can you provide a
real life example to the contrary?
No. But, that doesn't change my argument because having to request an ID
is an obstacle. I can think of no reason to oppose proactive
registration and ID issuance when coupled with voter ID except you don't
want eligible people to vote.
Huh? I don't get it. Having to request an ID is an obstacle? If you
wish to vote, is having to actually vote an obstacle? If you are
hungry is having to go to the grocery store an obstacle? So what
exactly is "proactive registration"?
Having to get an ID is an obstacle. Having to show up at the polls on
election day is an obstacle. Having to go to the gorcery store is an
obstacle. I explained "proactive registration" already (see above). Why
do you oppose it?
Why is going to the grocery store or filling out an absentee ballot an
obstacle for Democrats, but not Republicans??
They are obstacles for both.
Post by El Castor
Sorry, but I still don't get why or what "proactive registration"
really means. Are you hinting at, or avoiding, the unfortunate fact
that many Democrats are illiterate?
Repeating: very-well advertised voter registration on many weekends in
the community in places like malls and other places people go to. Why do
you oppose this idea?
I don't oppose it. Registration to include proof of citizenship and
results in issuance of a photo ID. OK with you?
Yes. We have a deal. Voter ID with proactive registrationand issuance of
photo ID (with proof of citizenship), one-time permanent application for
no-excuse mail-in voting (with signature match), and in-person early voting.
OK, a deal it is.
Johnny
2021-08-29 13:19:18 UTC
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Post by El Castor
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:53:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 15:20:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 11:47:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:15:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:48:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:33:27 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the
mid term elections. They want another lock
down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want
one for political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's
ingrained -- thus not much in the way of
election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud,
cheating, and bus loads of fake voters is a
Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’
decades-old notoriety for election corruption is
legendary" ... "A political scientist at the
University of Illinois at Chicago concluded,
“The Chicago metropolitan region has been the
most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in
an obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s
record. According to that 2012 study, Illinois
is the third-most corrupt state in the union,
after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine
comes to mind). But, that's got nothing to do
with being a Democrat. Instead, it's an act of
the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It
Steals Elections" ... "There is another new term
in our lexicon – “ballot harvesting.” It has
begun to spread across the country and there
could not be anything that is more destructive
to protecting the sanctity of our democracy than
this idea. Just look at North Carolina and
California." ... "It makes sense that the same
people who encourage ballot harvesting are
against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting
whereby each voter can predesignate people who
are authorized to collect their ballot (and
campaign and party officials are not permitted).
The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even
as applied to Native Americans who live on
reservations who lack access to mail service.
Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North
Carolina congressional candidate referred in your
link. And he almost certainly filled out ballots
against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting
requirement that makes fraud more difficult --
such as voter IDs. Why is that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate
voting more difficult, something Republicans seem
to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place
where, on other matters, American progressives often
look to with envy -- all but one country requires a
government-issued photo voter ID to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of
voter ID so long as 1) the government goes well out
of its way to get people registered to vote and
issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to no-excuse
mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out
of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on
many weekends in the community in places like malls and
other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each
party to do if they want to get voters registered.
That's how I got registered. I was at a school for
something I forget, but there were two ladies sitting at
a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a
legitimate government interest), it becomes a legitimate
government interest to overcome obstacles to voting
created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to
proactively get people registered with their IDs.
I'm not aware of any state with a voter ID law that does not
issue free IDs to all those qualified who request them. Can
you provide a real life example to the contrary?
No. But, that doesn't change my argument because having to
request an ID is an obstacle. I can think of no reason to
oppose proactive registration and ID issuance when coupled
with voter ID except you don't want eligible people to vote.
Huh? I don't get it. Having to request an ID is an obstacle?
If you wish to vote, is having to actually vote an obstacle?
If you are hungry is having to go to the grocery store an
obstacle? So what exactly is "proactive registration"?
Having to get an ID is an obstacle. Having to show up at the
polls on election day is an obstacle. Having to go to the
gorcery store is an obstacle. I explained "proactive
registration" already (see above). Why do you oppose it?
Why is going to the grocery store or filling out an absentee
ballot an obstacle for Democrats, but not Republicans??
They are obstacles for both.
Post by El Castor
Sorry, but I still don't get why or what "proactive registration"
really means. Are you hinting at, or avoiding, the unfortunate
fact that many Democrats are illiterate?
Repeating: very-well advertised voter registration on many
weekends in the community in places like malls and other places
people go to. Why do you oppose this idea?
I don't oppose it. Registration to include proof of citizenship
and results in issuance of a photo ID. OK with you?
Yes. We have a deal. Voter ID with proactive registrationand
issuance of photo ID (with proof of citizenship), one-time permanent
application for no-excuse mail-in voting (with signature match), and
in-person early voting.
OK, a deal it is.
Do you want the same mess as last election? That's exactly what you
will have if anyone can get a one-time permanent application for mail
in voting.

With walk in voting using computers, the election will be decided as
soon as the polls close. There won't be weeks of hand counting.

The only people that should be allowed to mail in their vote are
disabled people, and people over 65.

The only reason Josh wants mail in voting, is because it will benefit
the democrats. The people Josh wants to have mail in voting are the
people that are too lazy to go to the polls.

People that are too lazy to vote in person don't deserve a say in how
this country if governed.
El Castor
2021-08-29 19:01:21 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 23:15:21 -0700
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:33:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:53:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 15:20:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 11:47:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:15:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:48:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:33:27 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the
mid term elections. They want another lock
down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats want
one for political reasons, they are stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's
ingrained -- thus not much in the way of
election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud,
cheating, and bus loads of fake voters is a
Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’
decades-old notoriety for election corruption is
legendary" ... "A political scientist at the
University of Illinois at Chicago concluded,
“The Chicago metropolitan region has been the
most corrupt area in the country since 1976,” in
an obdurate race to the bottom with Louisiana’s
record. According to that 2012 study, Illinois
is the third-most corrupt state in the union,
after New York and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine
comes to mind). But, that's got nothing to do
with being a Democrat. Instead, it's an act of
the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It
Steals Elections" ... "There is another new term
in our lexicon – “ballot harvesting.” It has
begun to spread across the country and there
could not be anything that is more destructive
to protecting the sanctity of our democracy than
this idea. Just look at North Carolina and
California." ... "It makes sense that the same
people who encourage ballot harvesting are
against voter ID laws or having county
registrars clean the voter rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting
whereby each voter can predesignate people who
are authorized to collect their ballot (and
campaign and party officials are not permitted).
The Supreme Court just upheld an Arizona
regulation that outlawed ballot harvesting even
as applied to Native Americans who live on
reservations who lack access to mail service.
Disgusting. And finally, the only illegal use of
ballot harvesting was by the Republican North
Carolina congressional candidate referred in your
link. And he almost certainly filled out ballots
against the wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting
requirement that makes fraud more difficult --
such as voter IDs. Why is that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate
voting more difficult, something Republicans seem
to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a place
where, on other matters, American progressives often
look to with envy -- all but one country requires a
government-issued photo voter ID to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of
voter ID so long as 1) the government goes well out
of its way to get people registered to vote and
issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to no-excuse
mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person early
voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out
of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on
many weekends in the community in places like malls and
other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each
party to do if they want to get voters registered.
That's how I got registered. I was at a school for
something I forget, but there were two ladies sitting at
a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I was
registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud (a
legitimate government interest), it becomes a legitimate
government interest to overcome obstacles to voting
created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to
proactively get people registered with their IDs.
I'm not aware of any state with a voter ID law that does not
issue free IDs to all those qualified who request them. Can
you provide a real life example to the contrary?
No. But, that doesn't change my argument because having to
request an ID is an obstacle. I can think of no reason to
oppose proactive registration and ID issuance when coupled
with voter ID except you don't want eligible people to vote.
Huh? I don't get it. Having to request an ID is an obstacle?
If you wish to vote, is having to actually vote an obstacle?
If you are hungry is having to go to the grocery store an
obstacle? So what exactly is "proactive registration"?
Having to get an ID is an obstacle. Having to show up at the
polls on election day is an obstacle. Having to go to the
gorcery store is an obstacle. I explained "proactive
registration" already (see above). Why do you oppose it?
Why is going to the grocery store or filling out an absentee
ballot an obstacle for Democrats, but not Republicans??
They are obstacles for both.
Post by El Castor
Sorry, but I still don't get why or what "proactive registration"
really means. Are you hinting at, or avoiding, the unfortunate
fact that many Democrats are illiterate?
Repeating: very-well advertised voter registration on many
weekends in the community in places like malls and other places
people go to. Why do you oppose this idea?
I don't oppose it. Registration to include proof of citizenship
and results in issuance of a photo ID. OK with you?
Yes. We have a deal. Voter ID with proactive registrationand
issuance of photo ID (with proof of citizenship), one-time permanent
application for no-excuse mail-in voting (with signature match), and
in-person early voting.
OK, a deal it is.
Do you want the same mess as last election? That's exactly what you
will have if anyone can get a one-time permanent application for mail
in voting.
With walk in voting using computers, the election will be decided as
soon as the polls close. There won't be weeks of hand counting.
The only people that should be allowed to mail in their vote are
disabled people, and people over 65.
The only reason Josh wants mail in voting, is because it will benefit
the democrats. The people Josh wants to have mail in voting are the
people that are too lazy to go to the polls.
People that are too lazy to vote in person don't deserve a say in how
this country if governed.
I do believe that registration to vote should be limited to those
capable of proving citizenship, but I don't see why the rights of
citizenship should be limited by the necessity of a car trip or bus
ride.
Johnny
2021-08-29 19:21:10 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 23:15:21 -0700
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:33:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:53:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 15:20:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 11:47:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:15:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:48:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:33:27 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the
mid term elections. They want another lock
down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats
want one for political reasons, they are
stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's
ingrained -- thus not much in the way of
election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud,
cheating, and bus loads of fake voters is a
Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’
decades-old notoriety for election corruption
is legendary" ... "A political scientist at
the University of Illinois at Chicago
concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region
has been the most corrupt area in the country
since 1976,” in an obdurate race to the
bottom with Louisiana’s record. According to
that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York
and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine
comes to mind). But, that's got nothing to do
with being a Democrat. Instead, it's an act of
the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It
Steals Elections" ... "There is another new
term in our lexicon – “ballot harvesting.”
It has begun to spread across the country and
there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our
democracy than this idea. Just look at North
Carolina and California." ... "It makes sense
that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or
having county registrars clean the voter
rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting
whereby each voter can predesignate people who
are authorized to collect their ballot (and
campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an
Arizona regulation that outlawed ballot
harvesting even as applied to Native Americans
who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the
only illegal use of ballot harvesting was by
the Republican North Carolina congressional
candidate referred in your link. And he almost
certainly filled out ballots against the
wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting
requirement that makes fraud more difficult --
such as voter IDs. Why is that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate
voting more difficult, something Republicans seem
to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a
place where, on other matters, American
progressives often look to with envy -- all but
one country requires a government-issued photo
voter ID to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of
voter ID so long as 1) the government goes well out
of its way to get people registered to vote and
issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to no-excuse
mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person
early voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out
of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on
many weekends in the community in places like malls
and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each
party to do if they want to get voters registered.
That's how I got registered. I was at a school for
something I forget, but there were two ladies sitting
at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I
was registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years
old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud
(a legitimate government interest), it becomes a
legitimate government interest to overcome obstacles
to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to
proactively get people registered with their IDs.
I'm not aware of any state with a voter ID law that does
not issue free IDs to all those qualified who request
them. Can you provide a real life example to the
contrary?
No. But, that doesn't change my argument because having to
request an ID is an obstacle. I can think of no reason to
oppose proactive registration and ID issuance when coupled
with voter ID except you don't want eligible people to vote.
Huh? I don't get it. Having to request an ID is an obstacle?
If you wish to vote, is having to actually vote an obstacle?
If you are hungry is having to go to the grocery store an
obstacle? So what exactly is "proactive registration"?
Having to get an ID is an obstacle. Having to show up at the
polls on election day is an obstacle. Having to go to the
gorcery store is an obstacle. I explained "proactive
registration" already (see above). Why do you oppose it?
Why is going to the grocery store or filling out an absentee
ballot an obstacle for Democrats, but not Republicans??
They are obstacles for both.
Post by El Castor
Sorry, but I still don't get why or what "proactive
registration" really means. Are you hinting at, or avoiding,
the unfortunate fact that many Democrats are illiterate?
Repeating: very-well advertised voter registration on many
weekends in the community in places like malls and other places
people go to. Why do you oppose this idea?
I don't oppose it. Registration to include proof of citizenship
and results in issuance of a photo ID. OK with you?
Yes. We have a deal. Voter ID with proactive registrationand
issuance of photo ID (with proof of citizenship), one-time
permanent application for no-excuse mail-in voting (with
signature match), and in-person early voting.
OK, a deal it is.
Do you want the same mess as last election? That's exactly what you
will have if anyone can get a one-time permanent application for mail
in voting.
With walk in voting using computers, the election will be decided as
soon as the polls close. There won't be weeks of hand counting.
The only people that should be allowed to mail in their vote are
disabled people, and people over 65.
The only reason Josh wants mail in voting, is because it will benefit
the democrats. The people Josh wants to have mail in voting are the
people that are too lazy to go to the polls.
People that are too lazy to vote in person don't deserve a say in how
this country if governed.
I do believe that registration to vote should be limited to those
capable of proving citizenship, but I don't see why the rights of
citizenship should be limited by the necessity of a car trip or bus
ride.
It seems like it would be easy to understand after watching the ballots
counted at the last election.
El Castor
2021-08-29 23:48:22 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 12:01:21 -0700
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 23:15:21 -0700
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:33:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:53:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 15:20:36 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 11:47:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:15:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:48:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:33:27 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:35:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:23:53 -0700, Josh
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:35:55 -0700, Josh
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:36:43 -0700, Josh
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:45:59 -0500, Johnny
Post by Johnny
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0700
I think the democrats are preparing for the
mid term elections. They want another lock
down.
Lock downs are unpopular. If the Democrats
want one for political reasons, they are
stupid.
Conservatives are naturally honest, it's
ingrained -- thus not much in the way of
election cheating. Ballot harvesting, fraud,
cheating, and bus loads of fake voters is a
Democrat specialty.
It's hard to get more fucked up than this.
"Election fraud Chicago style: Illinois’
decades-old notoriety for election corruption
is legendary" ... "A political scientist at
the University of Illinois at Chicago
concluded, “The Chicago metropolitan region
has been the most corrupt area in the country
since 1976,” in an obdurate race to the
bottom with Louisiana’s record. According to
that 2012 study, Illinois is the third-most
corrupt state in the union, after New York
and California."
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/
Chicago has a dark history (the Daley machine
comes to mind). But, that's got nothing to do
with being a Democrat. Instead, it's an act of
the power hungry (ditto for Tammany Hall in
NYC).
Post by El Castor
"The Stupidity of Ballot Harvesting and How It
Steals Elections" ... "There is another new
term in our lexicon – “ballot harvesting.”
It has begun to spread across the country and
there could not be anything that is more
destructive to protecting the sanctity of our
democracy than this idea. Just look at North
Carolina and California." ... "It makes sense
that the same people who encourage ballot
harvesting are against voter ID laws or
having county registrars clean the voter
rolls."
https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993
I support a limited version ballot harvesting
whereby each voter can predesignate people who
are authorized to collect their ballot (and
campaign and party officials are not
permitted). The Supreme Court just upheld an
Arizona regulation that outlawed ballot
harvesting even as applied to Native Americans
who live on reservations who lack access to
mail service. Disgusting. And finally, the
only illegal use of ballot harvesting was by
the Republican North Carolina congressional
candidate referred in your link. And he almost
certainly filled out ballots against the
wishes of the voters.
Bottom line, Democrats seem to oppose any voting
requirement that makes fraud more difficult --
such as voter IDs. Why is that?
It's because it simultaneously makes legitimate
voting more difficult, something Republicans seem
to always oppose.
More difficult for who, and specifically why?
Folks who don't drive for obvious reasons.
BTW -- "Of 47 nations surveyed in Europe -- a
place where, on other matters, American
progressives often look to with envy -- all but
one country requires a government-issued photo
voter ID to vote."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/06/04/study-46-out-of-47-european-countries-require-photo-id-to-vote-n2590454
As I have said many times here, I am in favor of
voter ID so long as 1) the government goes well out
of its way to get people registered to vote and
issued ID, 2) permits permanent opt-in to no-excuse
mail-in voting and 3) provides ample in-person
early voting.
Maybe, but a lot depends on the meaning of "well out
of its way".
How about very-well advertised voter registration on
many weekends in the community in places like malls
and other places people go to?
That's not the job of the government, that is for each
party to do if they want to get voters registered.
That's how I got registered. I was at a school for
something I forget, but there were two ladies sitting
at a table, and when I walked by they asked me if I
was registered to vote. I think I was 21 or 22 years
old.
If the government insists on voter ID to combat fraud
(a legitimate government interest), it becomes a
legitimate government interest to overcome obstacles
to voting created by the government.
What obstacles?
Getting an ID. That's why I call for the government to
proactively get people registered with their IDs.
I'm not aware of any state with a voter ID law that does
not issue free IDs to all those qualified who request
them. Can you provide a real life example to the
contrary?
No. But, that doesn't change my argument because having to
request an ID is an obstacle. I can think of no reason to
oppose proactive registration and ID issuance when coupled
with voter ID except you don't want eligible people to vote.
Huh? I don't get it. Having to request an ID is an obstacle?
If you wish to vote, is having to actually vote an obstacle?
If you are hungry is having to go to the grocery store an
obstacle? So what exactly is "proactive registration"?
Having to get an ID is an obstacle. Having to show up at the
polls on election day is an obstacle. Having to go to the
gorcery store is an obstacle. I explained "proactive
registration" already (see above). Why do you oppose it?
Why is going to the grocery store or filling out an absentee
ballot an obstacle for Democrats, but not Republicans??
They are obstacles for both.
Post by El Castor
Sorry, but I still don't get why or what "proactive
registration" really means. Are you hinting at, or avoiding,
the unfortunate fact that many Democrats are illiterate?
Repeating: very-well advertised voter registration on many
weekends in the community in places like malls and other places
people go to. Why do you oppose this idea?
I don't oppose it. Registration to include proof of citizenship
and results in issuance of a photo ID. OK with you?
Yes. We have a deal. Voter ID with proactive registrationand
issuance of photo ID (with proof of citizenship), one-time
permanent application for no-excuse mail-in voting (with
signature match), and in-person early voting.
OK, a deal it is.
Do you want the same mess as last election? That's exactly what you
will have if anyone can get a one-time permanent application for mail
in voting.
With walk in voting using computers, the election will be decided as
soon as the polls close. There won't be weeks of hand counting.
The only people that should be allowed to mail in their vote are
disabled people, and people over 65.
The only reason Josh wants mail in voting, is because it will benefit
the democrats. The people Josh wants to have mail in voting are the
people that are too lazy to go to the polls.
People that are too lazy to vote in person don't deserve a say in how
this country if governed.
I do believe that registration to vote should be limited to those
capable of proving citizenship, but I don't see why the rights of
citizenship should be limited by the necessity of a car trip or bus
ride.
It seems like it would be easy to understand after watching the ballots
counted at the last election.
In person or mailed in, they are all subject to fraud. I admit that
mail in ballots are subject to another kind of fraud. If "harvested",
the collector can fill in blank signed ballots and discard ones that
vote for the "wrong" candidate.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-30 00:15:22 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 12:01:21 -0700
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Do you want the same mess as last election? That's exactly what you
will have if anyone can get a one-time permanent application for mail
in voting.
With walk in voting using computers, the election will be decided as
soon as the polls close. There won't be weeks of hand counting.
The only people that should be allowed to mail in their vote are
disabled people, and people over 65.
The only reason Josh wants mail in voting, is because it will benefit
the democrats. The people Josh wants to have mail in voting are the
people that are too lazy to go to the polls.
People that are too lazy to vote in person don't deserve a say in how
this country if governed.
I do believe that registration to vote should be limited to those
capable of proving citizenship, but I don't see why the rights of
citizenship should be limited by the necessity of a car trip or bus
ride.
It seems like it would be easy to understand after watching the ballots
counted at the last election.
In person or mailed in, they are all subject to fraud. I admit that
mail in ballots are subject to another kind of fraud. If "harvested",
the collector can fill in blank signed ballots and discard ones that
vote for the "wrong" candidate.
As I previously said, I support harvesting that is limited to persons
named by the voter who aren't campaign or party officials nor are paid
to collect the ballot. But I believe Johnny is claiming the election was
stolen from Trump because mail-in voting was expanded due to the
pandemic. What nonsense.
El Castor
2021-08-30 02:04:02 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 12:01:21 -0700
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Do you want the same mess as last election? That's exactly what you
will have if anyone can get a one-time permanent application for mail
in voting.
With walk in voting using computers, the election will be decided as
soon as the polls close. There won't be weeks of hand counting.
The only people that should be allowed to mail in their vote are
disabled people, and people over 65.
The only reason Josh wants mail in voting, is because it will benefit
the democrats. The people Josh wants to have mail in voting are the
people that are too lazy to go to the polls.
People that are too lazy to vote in person don't deserve a say in how
this country if governed.
I do believe that registration to vote should be limited to those
capable of proving citizenship, but I don't see why the rights of
citizenship should be limited by the necessity of a car trip or bus
ride.
It seems like it would be easy to understand after watching the ballots
counted at the last election.
In person or mailed in, they are all subject to fraud. I admit that
mail in ballots are subject to another kind of fraud. If "harvested",
the collector can fill in blank signed ballots and discard ones that
vote for the "wrong" candidate.
As I previously said, I support harvesting that is limited to persons
named by the voter who aren't campaign or party officials nor are paid
to collect the ballot. But I believe Johnny is claiming the election was
stolen from Trump because mail-in voting was expanded due to the
pandemic. What nonsense.
Personally, I'm leery of harvesting. Why is it necessary if all the
voter needs to do is pop the ballot in the mail. First I heard of
harvesting was several years ago -- blank ballots were being collected
for an ethnic group (Indian tribe?) and filled in after collection. A
son can collect a sealed ballot from his elderly father and just drop
it in a mail box. Why does he have to be appointed? The whole process
sounds fishy.

As for the election being stolen, I don't buy it. Trump's attorneys
were charged with producing the proof -- which they failed to do.
That's the way our system of laws was designed to work.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-30 02:11:14 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 17:15:22 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 12:01:21 -0700
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Do you want the same mess as last election? That's exactly what you
will have if anyone can get a one-time permanent application for mail
in voting.
With walk in voting using computers, the election will be decided as
soon as the polls close. There won't be weeks of hand counting.
The only people that should be allowed to mail in their vote are
disabled people, and people over 65.
The only reason Josh wants mail in voting, is because it will benefit
the democrats. The people Josh wants to have mail in voting are the
people that are too lazy to go to the polls.
People that are too lazy to vote in person don't deserve a say in how
this country if governed.
I do believe that registration to vote should be limited to those
capable of proving citizenship, but I don't see why the rights of
citizenship should be limited by the necessity of a car trip or bus
ride.
It seems like it would be easy to understand after watching the ballots
counted at the last election.
In person or mailed in, they are all subject to fraud. I admit that
mail in ballots are subject to another kind of fraud. If "harvested",
the collector can fill in blank signed ballots and discard ones that
vote for the "wrong" candidate.
As I previously said, I support harvesting that is limited to persons
named by the voter who aren't campaign or party officials nor are paid
to collect the ballot. But I believe Johnny is claiming the election was
stolen from Trump because mail-in voting was expanded due to the
pandemic. What nonsense.
Personally, I'm leery of harvesting. Why is it necessary if all the
voter needs to do is pop the ballot in the mail. First I heard of
harvesting was several years ago -- blank ballots were being collected
for an ethnic group (Indian tribe?) and filled in after collection. A
son can collect a sealed ballot from his elderly father and just drop
it in a mail box. Why does he have to be appointed? The whole process
sounds fishy.
As was the case in the Supreme Court case from Arizona, many of the
Indians don't have mail service and you can't rely on a relative. Why
not make it easier to vote by permitting the type of limited harvesting
I describe which doesn't lead to fraud because the voter themselves said
it was OK.
Post by El Castor
As for the election being stolen, I don't buy it. Trump's attorneys
were charged with producing the proof -- which they failed to do.
That's the way our system of laws was designed to work.
El Castor
2021-08-30 05:57:42 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 19:11:14 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 17:15:22 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 12:01:21 -0700
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Do you want the same mess as last election? That's exactly what you
will have if anyone can get a one-time permanent application for mail
in voting.
With walk in voting using computers, the election will be decided as
soon as the polls close. There won't be weeks of hand counting.
The only people that should be allowed to mail in their vote are
disabled people, and people over 65.
The only reason Josh wants mail in voting, is because it will benefit
the democrats. The people Josh wants to have mail in voting are the
people that are too lazy to go to the polls.
People that are too lazy to vote in person don't deserve a say in how
this country if governed.
I do believe that registration to vote should be limited to those
capable of proving citizenship, but I don't see why the rights of
citizenship should be limited by the necessity of a car trip or bus
ride.
It seems like it would be easy to understand after watching the ballots
counted at the last election.
In person or mailed in, they are all subject to fraud. I admit that
mail in ballots are subject to another kind of fraud. If "harvested",
the collector can fill in blank signed ballots and discard ones that
vote for the "wrong" candidate.
As I previously said, I support harvesting that is limited to persons
named by the voter who aren't campaign or party officials nor are paid
to collect the ballot. But I believe Johnny is claiming the election was
stolen from Trump because mail-in voting was expanded due to the
pandemic. What nonsense.
Personally, I'm leery of harvesting. Why is it necessary if all the
voter needs to do is pop the ballot in the mail. First I heard of
harvesting was several years ago -- blank ballots were being collected
for an ethnic group (Indian tribe?) and filled in after collection. A
son can collect a sealed ballot from his elderly father and just drop
it in a mail box. Why does he have to be appointed? The whole process
sounds fishy.
As was the case in the Supreme Court case from Arizona, many of the
Indians don't have mail service and you can't rely on a relative. Why
not make it easier to vote by permitting the type of limited harvesting
I describe which doesn't lead to fraud because the voter themselves said
it was OK.
No mail service? Then OK, but that has to be a very rare circumstance.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
As for the election being stolen, I don't buy it. Trump's attorneys
were charged with producing the proof -- which they failed to do.
That's the way our system of laws was designed to work.
Johnny
2021-08-30 13:07:37 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 17:15:22 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 12:01:21 -0700
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Do you want the same mess as last election? That's exactly what
you will have if anyone can get a one-time permanent application
for mail in voting.
With walk in voting using computers, the election will be
decided as soon as the polls close. There won't be weeks of
hand counting.
The only people that should be allowed to mail in their vote are
disabled people, and people over 65.
The only reason Josh wants mail in voting, is because it will
benefit the democrats. The people Josh wants to have mail in
voting are the people that are too lazy to go to the polls.
People that are too lazy to vote in person don't deserve a say
in how this country if governed.
I do believe that registration to vote should be limited to those
capable of proving citizenship, but I don't see why the rights of
citizenship should be limited by the necessity of a car trip or
bus ride.
It seems like it would be easy to understand after watching the
ballots counted at the last election.
In person or mailed in, they are all subject to fraud. I admit that
mail in ballots are subject to another kind of fraud. If
"harvested", the collector can fill in blank signed ballots and
discard ones that vote for the "wrong" candidate.
As I previously said, I support harvesting that is limited to persons
named by the voter who aren't campaign or party officials nor are
paid to collect the ballot. But I believe Johnny is claiming the
election was stolen from Trump because mail-in voting was expanded
due to the pandemic. What nonsense.
Did the democrats win the election because of mail in voting?
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-30 15:21:24 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 17:15:22 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 12:01:21 -0700
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Do you want the same mess as last election? That's exactly what
you will have if anyone can get a one-time permanent application
for mail in voting.
With walk in voting using computers, the election will be
decided as soon as the polls close. There won't be weeks of
hand counting.
The only people that should be allowed to mail in their vote are
disabled people, and people over 65.
The only reason Josh wants mail in voting, is because it will
benefit the democrats. The people Josh wants to have mail in
voting are the people that are too lazy to go to the polls.
People that are too lazy to vote in person don't deserve a say
in how this country if governed.
I do believe that registration to vote should be limited to those
capable of proving citizenship, but I don't see why the rights of
citizenship should be limited by the necessity of a car trip or
bus ride.
It seems like it would be easy to understand after watching the
ballots counted at the last election.
In person or mailed in, they are all subject to fraud. I admit that
mail in ballots are subject to another kind of fraud. If
"harvested", the collector can fill in blank signed ballots and
discard ones that vote for the "wrong" candidate.
As I previously said, I support harvesting that is limited to persons
named by the voter who aren't campaign or party officials nor are
paid to collect the ballot. But I believe Johnny is claiming the
election was stolen from Trump because mail-in voting was expanded
due to the pandemic. What nonsense.
Did the democrats win the election because of mail in voting?
Perhaps, perhaps not. Either way, it's not a stolen election because
there is nothing fraudulent.
Johnny
2021-08-30 15:42:32 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 08:21:24 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 17:15:22 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 12:01:21 -0700
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Do you want the same mess as last election? That's exactly
what you will have if anyone can get a one-time permanent
application for mail in voting.
With walk in voting using computers, the election will be
decided as soon as the polls close. There won't be weeks of
hand counting.
The only people that should be allowed to mail in their vote
are disabled people, and people over 65.
The only reason Josh wants mail in voting, is because it will
benefit the democrats. The people Josh wants to have mail in
voting are the people that are too lazy to go to the polls.
People that are too lazy to vote in person don't deserve a say
in how this country if governed.
I do believe that registration to vote should be limited to
those capable of proving citizenship, but I don't see why the
rights of citizenship should be limited by the necessity of a
car trip or bus ride.
It seems like it would be easy to understand after watching the
ballots counted at the last election.
In person or mailed in, they are all subject to fraud. I admit
that mail in ballots are subject to another kind of fraud. If
"harvested", the collector can fill in blank signed ballots and
discard ones that vote for the "wrong" candidate.
As I previously said, I support harvesting that is limited to
persons named by the voter who aren't campaign or party officials
nor are paid to collect the ballot. But I believe Johnny is
claiming the election was stolen from Trump because mail-in voting
was expanded due to the pandemic. What nonsense.
Did the democrats win the election because of mail in voting?
Perhaps, perhaps not. Either way, it's not a stolen election because
there is nothing fraudulent.
It's been explained that with ballot harvesting, the fraud can take
place before the ballots are counted.

Fortunately each state has its own voting laws, and the federal
government can do nothing about it.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-08-30 15:57:09 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 08:21:24 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 17:15:22 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 12:01:21 -0700
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Post by El Castor
Post by Johnny
Do you want the same mess as last election? That's exactly
what you will have if anyone can get a one-time permanent
application for mail in voting.
With walk in voting using computers, the election will be
decided as soon as the polls close. There won't be weeks of
hand counting.
The only people that should be allowed to mail in their vote
are disabled people, and people over 65.
The only reason Josh wants mail in voting, is because it will
benefit the democrats. The people Josh wants to have mail in
voting are the people that are too lazy to go to the polls.
People that are too lazy to vote in person don't deserve a say
in how this country if governed.
I do believe that registration to vote should be limited to
those capable of proving citizenship, but I don't see why the
rights of citizenship should be limited by the necessity of a
car trip or bus ride.
It seems like it would be easy to understand after watching the
ballots counted at the last election.
In person or mailed in, they are all subject to fraud. I admit
that mail in ballots are subject to another kind of fraud. If
"harvested", the collector can fill in blank signed ballots and
discard ones that vote for the "wrong" candidate.
As I previously said, I support harvesting that is limited to
persons named by the voter who aren't campaign or party officials
nor are paid to collect the ballot. But I believe Johnny is
claiming the election was stolen from Trump because mail-in voting
was expanded due to the pandemic. What nonsense.
Did the democrats win the election because of mail in voting?
Perhaps, perhaps not. Either way, it's not a stolen election because
there is nothing fraudulent.
It's been explained that with ballot harvesting, the fraud can take
place before the ballots are counted.
Fortunately each state has its own voting laws, and the federal
government can do nothing about it.
As Jeff noted, Trump's attorney's provided no evidence of such fraud.
John Wesley Harding
2021-08-25 08:27:37 UTC
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Conservatives are naturally honest
Now that's funny!
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