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Blacks are getting Hammered by Illegal Immigration
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mg
2018-11-08 06:38:25 UTC
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"Civil-Rights Commish: Blacks Hammered by Illegal Immigration Illegal
and low-skilled immigration disproportionally harms the job prospects
and wages of black Americans, Peter Kirsanow, a commissioner on the
U.S. Civil Rights Commission, told a Senate panel Wednesday.

“Unequivocally, the wages and employment levels of black Americans are
disproportionately adversely affect by illegal immigration.
Particularly when it pertains to the effect on black males,” Kirsanow
testified before the Senate Subcommittee on Immigration and the
National Interest.

Kirsanow, also a partner with Benesch, Friedlander, Coplan & Aronoff
LLP noted that although the commission has been studying the issue of
illegal immigration on black Americans and has been provided with
overwhelming proof of the adverse effects. . ."
https://www.teaparty.org/civil-rights-commish-blacks-hammered-illegal-immigration-149441/
Gary
2018-11-08 12:31:44 UTC
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"Civil-Rights Commish: Blacks Hammered by Illegal Immigration Illegal
and low-skilled immigration disproportionally harms the job prospects
and wages of black Americans, Peter Kirsanow, a commissioner on the
U.S. Civil Rights Commission, told a Senate panel Wednesday.
“Unequivocally, the wages and employment levels of black Americans are
disproportionately adversely affect by illegal immigration.
I wondered if they would ever notice. I suppose now they will start marching, weeping
and wailing, sitting-in and laying-in -- and demanding some new laws.
rumpelstiltskin
2018-11-08 14:00:53 UTC
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"Civil-Rights Commish: Blacks Hammered by Illegal Immigration Illegal
and low-skilled immigration disproportionally harms the job prospects
and wages of black Americans, Peter Kirsanow, a commissioner on the
U.S. Civil Rights Commission, told a Senate panel Wednesday.
“Unequivocally, the wages and employment levels of black Americans are
disproportionately adversely affect by illegal immigration.
I wondered if they would ever notice. I suppose now they will start marching, weeping
and wailing, sitting-in and laying-in -- and demanding some new laws.
Acting up like you do in this group? Perhaps they will.
me
2018-11-08 14:19:26 UTC
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Once Oakland blacks demand a ‘right’ to your rent controlled apartment I expect you’ll be acting up.
mg
2018-11-08 15:41:23 UTC
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"Civil-Rights Commish: Blacks Hammered by Illegal Immigration Illegal
and low-skilled immigration disproportionally harms the job prospects
and wages of black Americans, Peter Kirsanow, a commissioner on the
U.S. Civil Rights Commission, told a Senate panel Wednesday.
“Unequivocally, the wages and employment levels of black Americans are
disproportionately adversely affect by illegal immigration.
I wondered if they would ever notice. I suppose now they will start marching, weeping
and wailing, sitting-in and laying-in -- and demanding some new laws.
I think blacks are like whites in some ways. I think blacks will
listen to propaganda and they will do what they are told to do.
El Castor
2018-11-08 19:42:03 UTC
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"Civil-Rights Commish: Blacks Hammered by Illegal Immigration Illegal
and low-skilled immigration disproportionally harms the job prospects
and wages of black Americans, Peter Kirsanow, a commissioner on the
U.S. Civil Rights Commission, told a Senate panel Wednesday.
“Unequivocally, the wages and employment levels of black Americans are
disproportionately adversely affect by illegal immigration.
I wondered if they would ever notice. I suppose now they will start marching, weeping
and wailing, sitting-in and laying-in -- and demanding some new laws.
I think blacks are like whites in some ways. I think blacks will
listen to propaganda and they will do what they are told to do.
Has anyone noticed that since Trump began bad mouthing immigration,
and tightening up the border, despite the shrieks of horror emanating
from Democrats, Black unemployment is lower than at any time in
recorded (1992) history? Islander -- you there?
mg
2018-11-09 00:09:56 UTC
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 11:42:03 -0800, El Castor
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"Civil-Rights Commish: Blacks Hammered by Illegal Immigration Illegal
and low-skilled immigration disproportionally harms the job prospects
and wages of black Americans, Peter Kirsanow, a commissioner on the
U.S. Civil Rights Commission, told a Senate panel Wednesday.
“Unequivocally, the wages and employment levels of black Americans are
disproportionately adversely affect by illegal immigration.
I wondered if they would ever notice. I suppose now they will start marching, weeping
and wailing, sitting-in and laying-in -- and demanding some new laws.
I think blacks are like whites in some ways. I think blacks will
listen to propaganda and they will do what they are told to do.
Has anyone noticed that since Trump began bad mouthing immigration,
and tightening up the border, despite the shrieks of horror emanating
from Democrats, Black unemployment is lower than at any time in
recorded (1992) history? Islander -- you there?
When people (like me) talk about the decline of the "middle class", I
think that what they are talking about, to a large extent, is the
decline of the black, unionized, working class, like the steel worker
and the auto worker, for instance. So, I wouldn't be a bit surprised
if Trump doesn't turn out to be the best friend the black,
working-class man ever had.

The black college man/woman, on the other hand, whose dad is a doctor,
or a lawyer, etc., might be swallowing the political correctness bs
hook, line and sinker.




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El Castor
2018-11-09 08:08:01 UTC
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 11:42:03 -0800, El Castor
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Post by mg
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Post by mg
"Civil-Rights Commish: Blacks Hammered by Illegal Immigration Illegal
and low-skilled immigration disproportionally harms the job prospects
and wages of black Americans, Peter Kirsanow, a commissioner on the
U.S. Civil Rights Commission, told a Senate panel Wednesday.
“Unequivocally, the wages and employment levels of black Americans are
disproportionately adversely affect by illegal immigration.
I wondered if they would ever notice. I suppose now they will start marching, weeping
and wailing, sitting-in and laying-in -- and demanding some new laws.
I think blacks are like whites in some ways. I think blacks will
listen to propaganda and they will do what they are told to do.
Has anyone noticed that since Trump began bad mouthing immigration,
and tightening up the border, despite the shrieks of horror emanating
from Democrats, Black unemployment is lower than at any time in
recorded (1992) history? Islander -- you there?
When people (like me) talk about the decline of the "middle class", I
think that what they are talking about, to a large extent, is the
decline of the black, unionized, working class, like the steel worker
and the auto worker, for instance. So, I wouldn't be a bit surprised
if Trump doesn't turn out to be the best friend the black,
working-class man ever had.
The black college man/woman, on the other hand, whose dad is a doctor,
or a lawyer, etc., might be swallowing the political correctness bs
hook, line and sinker.
The decline of the middle class is an interesting topic. Very
political, and I don't pretend to understand it, but from a practical
standpoint there is an interesting phenomena I see around here. If you
want to purchase a nice 3 bdrm 1,800 sq ft house around where you
live, it's going to cost what? $250K - $350K? Here's one in an upper
middle income California neighborhood ... $1,549,000 for 1,740 sq
feet. Property taxes on this house would be $1,614 a month!
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/17-Hill-St_Mill-Valley_CA_94941_M18214-56998?view=qv
Take a look. I am sure there are similar, but a wee bit less
expensive, neighborhoods in Provo

The only reason we can afford to live in this area is we bought long
ago when property was cheap. Friend of our just got back from Mt.
Rushmore. She couldn't believe how cheap a typical restaurant meal
was. Those rich upper income bastards out here in California might not
be quite as rich or well off as you imagine. They need that income to
afford a hamburger. And, their Social Security check is not going to
be much different than what a Provo or South Dakota retiree gets. So
what really is a middle class income? I guess it depends.
islander
2018-11-09 15:34:37 UTC
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Post by mg
On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 11:42:03 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by mg
Post by Gary
Post by mg
"Civil-Rights Commish: Blacks Hammered by Illegal Immigration Illegal
and low-skilled immigration disproportionally harms the job prospects
and wages of black Americans, Peter Kirsanow, a commissioner on the
U.S. Civil Rights Commission, told a Senate panel Wednesday.
“Unequivocally, the wages and employment levels of black Americans are
disproportionately adversely affect by illegal immigration.
I wondered if they would ever notice. I suppose now they will start marching, weeping
and wailing, sitting-in and laying-in -- and demanding some new laws.
I think blacks are like whites in some ways. I think blacks will
listen to propaganda and they will do what they are told to do.
Has anyone noticed that since Trump began bad mouthing immigration,
and tightening up the border, despite the shrieks of horror emanating
from Democrats, Black unemployment is lower than at any time in
recorded (1992) history? Islander -- you there?
When people (like me) talk about the decline of the "middle class", I
think that what they are talking about, to a large extent, is the
decline of the black, unionized, working class, like the steel worker
and the auto worker, for instance. So, I wouldn't be a bit surprised
if Trump doesn't turn out to be the best friend the black,
working-class man ever had.
The black college man/woman, on the other hand, whose dad is a doctor,
or a lawyer, etc., might be swallowing the political correctness bs
hook, line and sinker.
The decline of the middle class is an interesting topic. Very
political, and I don't pretend to understand it, but from a practical
standpoint there is an interesting phenomena I see around here. If you
want to purchase a nice 3 bdrm 1,800 sq ft house around where you
live, it's going to cost what? $250K - $350K? Here's one in an upper
middle income California neighborhood ... $1,549,000 for 1,740 sq
feet. Property taxes on this house would be $1,614 a month!
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/17-Hill-St_Mill-Valley_CA_94941_M18214-56998?view=qv
Take a look. I am sure there are similar, but a wee bit less
expensive, neighborhoods in Provo
The only reason we can afford to live in this area is we bought long
ago when property was cheap. Friend of our just got back from Mt.
Rushmore. She couldn't believe how cheap a typical restaurant meal
was. Those rich upper income bastards out here in California might not
be quite as rich or well off as you imagine. They need that income to
afford a hamburger. And, their Social Security check is not going to
be much different than what a Provo or South Dakota retiree gets. So
what really is a middle class income? I guess it depends.
If you are retired on a fixed income, it makes economic sense to move to
a conservative state where the economies are stagnant and prices are
low. But you should be aware that the services that you need as a
senior are also miserable and you can expect that you will be more
vulnerable to illnesses that afflict seniors - heart disease, cancer,
Alzheimer's, and diabetes. Your life expectancy will be 36% lower than
for those who live in liberal states. Your health care plans under
Medicare will also be better in liberal states. You will find that your
public roads are poorly maintained, law enforcement is worse, emergency
response is worse, and protection of the equity in your home is not as
well protected as for more liberal states.

On the other hand, if you are young, educated, and want a good job, your
best strategy is to move to a liberal state.
El Castor
2018-11-09 20:00:26 UTC
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 11:42:03 -0800, El Castor
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Post by mg
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Post by mg
"Civil-Rights Commish: Blacks Hammered by Illegal Immigration Illegal
and low-skilled immigration disproportionally harms the job prospects
and wages of black Americans, Peter Kirsanow, a commissioner on the
U.S. Civil Rights Commission, told a Senate panel Wednesday.
“Unequivocally, the wages and employment levels of black Americans are
disproportionately adversely affect by illegal immigration.
I wondered if they would ever notice. I suppose now they will start marching, weeping
and wailing, sitting-in and laying-in -- and demanding some new laws.
I think blacks are like whites in some ways. I think blacks will
listen to propaganda and they will do what they are told to do.
Has anyone noticed that since Trump began bad mouthing immigration,
and tightening up the border, despite the shrieks of horror emanating
from Democrats, Black unemployment is lower than at any time in
recorded (1992) history? Islander -- you there?
When people (like me) talk about the decline of the "middle class", I
think that what they are talking about, to a large extent, is the
decline of the black, unionized, working class, like the steel worker
and the auto worker, for instance. So, I wouldn't be a bit surprised
if Trump doesn't turn out to be the best friend the black,
working-class man ever had.
The black college man/woman, on the other hand, whose dad is a doctor,
or a lawyer, etc., might be swallowing the political correctness bs
hook, line and sinker.
The decline of the middle class is an interesting topic. Very
political, and I don't pretend to understand it, but from a practical
standpoint there is an interesting phenomena I see around here. If you
want to purchase a nice 3 bdrm 1,800 sq ft house around where you
live, it's going to cost what? $250K - $350K? Here's one in an upper
middle income California neighborhood ... $1,549,000 for 1,740 sq
feet. Property taxes on this house would be $1,614 a month!
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/17-Hill-St_Mill-Valley_CA_94941_M18214-56998?view=qv
Take a look. I am sure there are similar, but a wee bit less
expensive, neighborhoods in Provo
The only reason we can afford to live in this area is we bought long
ago when property was cheap. Friend of our just got back from Mt.
Rushmore. She couldn't believe how cheap a typical restaurant meal
was. Those rich upper income bastards out here in California might not
be quite as rich or well off as you imagine. They need that income to
afford a hamburger. And, their Social Security check is not going to
be much different than what a Provo or South Dakota retiree gets. So
what really is a middle class income? I guess it depends.
If you are retired on a fixed income, it makes economic sense to move to
a conservative state where the economies are stagnant and prices are
low. But you should be aware that the services that you need as a
senior are also miserable and you can expect that you will be more
vulnerable to illnesses that afflict seniors - heart disease, cancer,
Alzheimer's, and diabetes. Your life expectancy will be 36% lower than
36%? Really? Have you no shame? See below.
Post by islander
for those who live in liberal states. Your health care plans under
Medicare will also be better in liberal states. You will find that your
public roads are poorly maintained, law enforcement is worse, emergency
response is worse, and protection of the equity in your home is not as
well protected as for more liberal states.
On the other hand, if you are young, educated, and want a good job, your
best strategy is to move to a liberal state.
Perhaps, but here are some curious anomalies ...

Life expectancy of an African American in Texas is greater than one
living in California, Washington, Oregon, Massachusetts, New York and
Connecticut, and various other bastions of liberalism. And for a
Caucasian, South Dakota life expectancy beats California, Washington,
Oregon, Maine, and Massachusetts, to name a few.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_life_expectancy

An interesting non-political web site (areavibes.com) ranks cities in
the United States based on Amenities, Crime, Cost of Living,
Education, Employment, Housing Cost, and Weather. The top 10 are all
in Texas, and the rest in places like Ohio and Iowa -- not exactly
seething cesspits of liberalism.
https://www.areavibes.com/best-places/america/

In my job, involving computers, we frequently employed highly paid
contractors for specialized work where we lacked the expertise. We
were installing a Unix server, and hired a Unix specialist. One of the
smartest people I ever worked with. He and his wife had moved out to
San Francisco from Texas. His wife (an Indian by birth) was equally
sharp, and worked for Sun designing Sparcstations. After a few months
they had it with San Francisco and moved back to Austin. Poor people,
that decision must have shortened their lives by 36%!

islander
2018-11-09 15:14:04 UTC
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"Civil-Rights Commish: Blacks Hammered by Illegal Immigration Illegal
and low-skilled immigration disproportionally harms the job prospects
and wages of black Americans, Peter Kirsanow, a commissioner on the
U.S. Civil Rights Commission, told a Senate panel Wednesday.
“Unequivocally, the wages and employment levels of black Americans are
disproportionately adversely affect by illegal immigration.
I wondered if they would ever notice. I suppose now they will start marching, weeping
and wailing, sitting-in and laying-in -- and demanding some new laws.
I think blacks are like whites in some ways. I think blacks will
listen to propaganda and they will do what they are told to do.
Has anyone noticed that since Trump began bad mouthing immigration,
and tightening up the border, despite the shrieks of horror emanating
from Democrats, Black unemployment is lower than at any time in
recorded (1992) history? Islander -- you there?
Sure. You should have learned by now that correlation does not prove
causality. The black unemployment rate is improving because we have
experienced a nine year long improvement in the economy. This is a
trend that one can only hope Trump doesn't screw up.
me
2018-11-08 14:14:03 UTC
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This says illegal aliens are more productive than legal black citizens.
mg
2018-11-08 16:22:21 UTC
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This says illegal aliens are more productive than legal black citizens.
I didn't read it closely, but my experience with immigrants is that
first generation immigrants work very hard for low wages, but
subsequent generations don't work any harder than anyone else.
w***@gmail.com
2018-11-08 14:15:07 UTC
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"Civil-Rights Commish: Blacks Hammered by Illegal Immigration Illegal
and low-skilled immigration disproportionally harms the job prospects
and wages of black Americans, Peter Kirsanow, a commissioner on the
U.S. Civil Rights Commission, told a Senate panel Wednesday.
“Unequivocally, the wages and employment levels of black Americans are
disproportionately adversely affect by illegal immigration.
Particularly when it pertains to the effect on black males,” Kirsanow
testified before the Senate Subcommittee on Immigration and the
National Interest.
Kirsanow, also a partner with Benesch, Friedlander, Coplan & Aronoff
LLP noted that although the commission has been studying the issue of
illegal immigration on black Americans and has been provided with
overwhelming proof of the adverse effects. . ."
https://www.teaparty.org/civil-rights-commish-blacks-hammered-illegal-immigration-149441/
The Tea Party = really:

https://cis.org/Testimony/Immigration-and-Black-Americans-Assessing-Impact

Conclusion

There is no debate that illegal immigration, and even immigration more generally, increases the supply of workers who are employed in lower-skilled, lower-wage sectors of the economy. It is also uncontested that a significant share of native-born black men have education levels that make them more likely to compete with illegal immigrants. Additionally, there is agreement that wages and employment for less-educated men, including black men, have generally stagnated or declined. The lack of wage growth makes it very difficult to argue that less-educated workers are in short supply. There are a number of studies indicating that immigration is harming the labor market prospects of black Americans. However, the debate over whether immigration reduces wages or employment among black Americans is not entirely settled. If one is concerned about less-educated workers in this country, it is difficult to justify continuing high levels of legal and illegal immigration that disproportionately impact the bottom end of the labor market.

It is important to understand that immigration does not simply reduce wages or employment. There is a good deal of agreement among economists that the benefit to more-educated natives that comes from reducing the wages of the least-educated Americans must be very small. A 1997 study by the National Research Council, The New Americans, has a good explanation as to why the gains are so small. There is no body of research showing large economic gains to native-born Americans from immigration. The primary beneficiary of immigration seems to be the immigrants themselves. A central part of the immigration debate is how we weight the benefits that go to immigrants against the losses suffered by the poorest and least-educated Americans. How one answers this question will have a significant impact on what immigration policy makes the most sense. ....
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