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In fact, the states with the fewest immigrants, legal or otherwise, seem
to be the ones most opposed to any form of immigration. For the record,
these are conservative states. Correlation coefficient = -0.40.
This is nothing more than political exploitation of xenophobic fear.
So why doesn't that make sense? Immigrants don't go where they are not wanted. They go to liberal states that have sanctuary cities like California.
So, if immigrants go to the liberal states and the liberal states have
the most vibrant economies, what is the problem?
I'm not sure, but apparently there are several cities around here who are fighting sanctuary laws for some reason. Maybe it's just too expensive.
San Diego County Board of Supervisors
Beaumont — Riverside County
Dana Point — Orange County
Ripon — San Joaquin County
Los Alamitos — Orange County
Laguna Niguel — Orange County
San Juan Capistrano — Orange County
Aliso Viejo — Orange County
Mission Viejo — Orange County
Yorba Linda — Orange County
Newport Beach — Orange County
Westminster — Orange County
Huntington Beach — Orange County
Orange — Orange, County
Fountain Valley — Orange County
Escondido –San Diego County
Check where they are located.
Most are in Orange County and we pay a lot of taxes.
Orange County has an unemployment rate of 4.4%. The US average is 5.2%.
Orange County has seen the job market increase by 2.3% over the last year. Future job growth over the next ten years is predicted to be 40.1%, which is higher than the US average of 38.0%.
Tax Rates for Orange County
- The Sales Tax Rate for Orange County is 8.0%. The US average is 6.0%.
- The Income Tax Rate for Orange County is 8.0%. The US average is 4.6%.
Income and Salaries for Orange County
- The average income of a Orange County resident is $34,416 a year. The US average is $28,555 a year.
- The Median household income of a Orange County resident is $75,998 a year. The US average is $53,482 a year.
So, what's the problem? Orange county is conservative, but they don't
seem to have a problem with immigrants taking jobs away from anyone. As
far as the cost that immigrants impose on where they live, the reality
is that they typically pay their way in taxes on their income.
I doubt you can show me even one illegal alien who ever paid a dime in income tax. Why would they even file a tax return if they didn't have a refund coming?
According to the National Immigration Law Center, the most recent information (August 2012) indicated that there had been 21 million ITINs assigned to taxpayers and their dependents by the IRS.
ITINs assigned to illegal alien dependents from Mexico do NOT have to prove that they have ever set foot in the U.S., let alone that they are in the U.S. at the time of application.
Over 9 years and up to 2010, the IRS paid over $14.2 billion of American tax dollars in refunds to illegal aliens, for alleged dependents from whom no identification or residency documents were obtained, and from whom they received $0 in tax revenue.
Well now are we talking about regional or federal issues? The
objections to sanctuary cities in Orange County is a regional issue and
it sounds like it may be based on the fear of the relatively wealthy
residents of that community that some of their residents are gaming the
system, getting benefits beyond what they deserve. That is not an issue
that is unique to immigrants. There are always people who will game the
system and that is not only those who are on welfare.
If you would like to address the issue of gaming the system by
immigrants at the federal level, we can discuss that too. The reality
is that there have been numerous studies done to evaluate the financial
impact of immigrants. One of the more interesting studies looked at GDP
vs immigration policy examining three alternatives: full deportation of
Mexican immigrants, full legalization and full legalization with
increased border control. They found that full deportation reduces GDP
while the other two alternatives improve GDP. Full legalization without
border control increases GDP by over 3x full legalization with increased
Specific to abuse of ITINs, there has to be some mechanism for
immigrants to work legally and pay taxes. On balance, do immigrants pay
more into the system than they extract? Yes. A study by the National
Bureau of Economic Research shows that the average adult immigrant pays
$21,000 more in taxes than they receive in benefits and the younger the
migrant comes to the US, the better off the government will be.
This doesn't even include the immigrants who use fake SS numbers to work
in the US. These essentially accrue benefits to the actual owner of the
SS number and provide no benefits to the immigrant. There are other
problems with this practice and the IRS seems to not have a way of
The bottom line is that ITIN is needed and we should focus on preventing
fraudulent use rather than use the existence of that fraud as an excuse
to argue against immigration.