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I support all 5, but as always, for both of us, the devil is in the
details. If you honestly support #5, are you disturbed by what is
currently happening in Broward and Palm Beach counties?
I am definitely disturbed by the continuing efforts on the part of
Republicans to find ways to avoid actually counting the votes.
And therein lies the problem. Your truth and my truth will seldom be
the same truth, and we each are sure we are correct. As the title of
this thread suggests, incivility.
Personally, I like Pinker's suggestion: "When in doubt, go to the
data." The data doesn't lie.
In Florida, procedures were put in place to solve the problems of the
2000 election. We need to give them the time to count the votes rather
than storming the election headquarters and attacking the Broward County
Supervisor of Elections with chants of "Lock her up!"
"Claims by Gov. Rick Scott, Sen. Marco Rubio, and President Donald Trump
that Democrats are "stealing" the 2018 elections in Broward County have
sparked the expected reaction. Despite the fact there appears to be zero
evidence backing up the claims, conspiracy theorists, right-wing
grifters, and pro-Trump protesters are now descending on the Broward
County Supervisor of Elections office.
"The "Broward County Election Theft" demonstration seems to have been
co-organized by a former Trump-campaign volunteer from Miami, Juan Fiol,
who has been posting online. Miami Herald reporter Alex Harris has
already posted that roughly 60 people appear to be outside right now
chanting "Lock her up!" at Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda
Snipes. The incident calls to mind the infamous 2000 "Brooks Brothers
riot" a pro-Bush "protest" that right-wing provocateur Roger Stone
later admitted he organized."
"......Despite the fact there appears to be zero evidence backing up the claims...."
You don't need evidence -- when you accuse a group of doing ..... what it has always
done. My Southern ancestors were all Democrats. And nobody knew how to streal an
election like they did/do.
They keep "finding" ballots. Huh? How is that? I guess we will never
Alternatively, I think what we are looking at here is an underfunded and
understaffed election operation which is overwhelmed by the response,
especially the number of ballots that are finding their way through the
mail from residents who are abroad. The unsubstantiated claims of fraud
and unreasonable time limits are not helping. Meanwhile, the
Republicans are doing everything that they can to undermine confidence
in the election results. What does that accomplish? Perhaps we should
let the staff do their job and do everything that we can to count every
Hmmm. I think I may have discovered the reason they are underfunded --
or maybe just up to their old tricks? Seems Broward County was fined
$200,000 in 2016 for violating state and federal election laws. (-8
"The Broward County Supervisor of Elections Office violated state and
federal laws by destroying ballots from a 2016 Congressional race too
soon and while the ballots were the subject of a lawsuit against the
office, a judge has ruled.
Based on that ruling, Floridas Department of State will send election
experts to the Broward elections office in the upcoming election to
ensure that all laws are followed, the governors office said. It
could also cost the elections office more than $200,000 to pay
attorneys fees for Tim Canova, the defeated candidate who sued the
We even have problems out here in well funded sunny California. My
county, which is solidly liberal, mails voter pamphlets to each
registered voter. The pamphlet contains all the candidate info,
proposition arguments, etc. On the first page the parties list the
candidate names they support. This year they listed the Democrats, but
forgot the Republicans. )-8