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bruce bowser
2021-09-13 19:26:03 UTC
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President Trump's reelection bid received a vote of support Friday from an
entity most in his party would reject: the Taliban.

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a phone interview,
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished all the major promises he
had made to American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."

Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We hope he will win the
election and wind up U.S. military presence in Afghanistan."
- Gronk
El Castor
2021-09-14 05:42:44 UTC
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President Trump's reelection bid received a vote of support Friday from an
entity most in his party would reject: the Taliban.
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a phone interview,
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished all the major promises he
had made to American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."
Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We hope he will win the
election and wind up U.S. military presence in Afghanistan."
- Gronk
Oops, you forgot to mention the date of this piece -- Oct 11, 2020

BTW -- Trump's proposed withdrawal from Afghanistan -- Good.

Biden's execution of the withdrawal -- Pathetically Bad.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-09-14 15:47:34 UTC
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President Trump's reelection bid received a vote of support Friday from an
entity most in his party would reject: the Taliban.
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a phone interview,
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished all the major promises he
had made to American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."
Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We hope he will win the
election and wind up U.S. military presence in Afghanistan."
- Gronk
Oops, you forgot to mention the date of this piece -- Oct 11, 2020
BTW -- Trump's proposed withdrawal from Afghanistan -- Good.
Biden's execution of the withdrawal -- Pathetically Bad.
I concur on the latter. I continue to be conflicted on the former, other
than to note Biden agreed with it (and so do the majority of Americans).

Having said that, had Trump been reelected, the Taliban would now be in
control (and even earlier with the May 1 withdrawal date) with the same
shit going down for the Afghani people. Whether Trump would have had a
contingency plan to get us safely out for a rapid fall of the country we
will never know for sure. I do however believe he had no plan as of
January 19, 2021.
El Castor
2021-09-14 18:24:18 UTC
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President Trump's reelection bid received a vote of support Friday from an
entity most in his party would reject: the Taliban.
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a phone interview,
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished all the major promises he
had made to American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."
Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We hope he will win the
election and wind up U.S. military presence in Afghanistan."
- Gronk
Oops, you forgot to mention the date of this piece -- Oct 11, 2020
BTW -- Trump's proposed withdrawal from Afghanistan -- Good.
Biden's execution of the withdrawal -- Pathetically Bad.
I concur on the latter. I continue to be conflicted on the former, other
than to note Biden agreed with it (and so do the majority of Americans).
Having said that, had Trump been reelected, the Taliban would now be in
control (and even earlier with the May 1 withdrawal date) with the same
shit going down for the Afghani people. Whether Trump would have had a
contingency plan to get us safely out for a rapid fall of the country we
will never know for sure. I do however believe he had no plan as of
January 19, 2021.
The unanswered question is would Trump have listened to those in a
position to give good advice on Afghanistan. In Trump's case we will
never know, but in Biden's, the answer seems obvious. Possibly the
worst aspect of this mess doesn't involve Afghanistan, but rather
China. Taiwan, the home of the most advanced computer chip
manufacturing plant in the world, is clearly on China's radar. Biden's
inept weakness in Afghanistan might be interpreted by China as a sign
that it's time to grab Taiwan. Looks like the age of American
dominance is ending and the 21st century could see China assume our
role. After all, they are smarter than we are. (-8
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-09-15 02:56:02 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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Post by bruce bowser
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
President Trump's reelection bid received a vote of support Friday from an
entity most in his party would reject: the Taliban.
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a phone interview,
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished all the major promises he
had made to American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."
Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We hope he will win the
election and wind up U.S. military presence in Afghanistan."
- Gronk
Oops, you forgot to mention the date of this piece -- Oct 11, 2020
BTW -- Trump's proposed withdrawal from Afghanistan -- Good.
Biden's execution of the withdrawal -- Pathetically Bad.
I concur on the latter. I continue to be conflicted on the former, other
than to note Biden agreed with it (and so do the majority of Americans).
Having said that, had Trump been reelected, the Taliban would now be in
control (and even earlier with the May 1 withdrawal date) with the same
shit going down for the Afghani people. Whether Trump would have had a
contingency plan to get us safely out for a rapid fall of the country we
will never know for sure. I do however believe he had no plan as of
January 19, 2021.
The unanswered question is would Trump have listened to those in a
position to give good advice on Afghanistan. In Trump's case we will
never know, but in Biden's, the answer seems obvious. Possibly the
worst aspect of this mess doesn't involve Afghanistan, but rather
China. Taiwan, the home of the most advanced computer chip
manufacturing plant in the world, is clearly on China's radar. Biden's
inept weakness in Afghanistan might be interpreted by China as a sign
that it's time to grab Taiwan. Looks like the age of American
dominance is ending and the 21st century could see China assume our
role. After all, they are smarter than we are. (-8
With the publication of Woodward's latest book (Peril), we know. Trump
drafted a memo a week after the election ordering the withdrawal of
troops by January 15th. Although he backed down after everybody raised a
stink, his instincts and desire were made clear. He was bugging out even
before Biden did. The book also detailed how Blinken and Austin both
urged Biden to delay the withdrawal into stages dependent on Taliban
actions. Biden said no, citing how Obama was convinced by the military
to extend the war back in 2009, and what a mistake that was.

I don't think China is stupid enough to conclude our hasty retreat means
Biden has become an isolationist. Biden would defend Taiwan.
El Castor
2021-09-15 05:48:30 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:47:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:26:03 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
Post by bruce bowser
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
President Trump's reelection bid received a vote of support Friday from an
entity most in his party would reject: the Taliban.
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a phone interview,
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished all the major promises he
had made to American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."
Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We hope he will win the
election and wind up U.S. military presence in Afghanistan."
- Gronk
Oops, you forgot to mention the date of this piece -- Oct 11, 2020
BTW -- Trump's proposed withdrawal from Afghanistan -- Good.
Biden's execution of the withdrawal -- Pathetically Bad.
I concur on the latter. I continue to be conflicted on the former, other
than to note Biden agreed with it (and so do the majority of Americans).
Having said that, had Trump been reelected, the Taliban would now be in
control (and even earlier with the May 1 withdrawal date) with the same
shit going down for the Afghani people. Whether Trump would have had a
contingency plan to get us safely out for a rapid fall of the country we
will never know for sure. I do however believe he had no plan as of
January 19, 2021.
The unanswered question is would Trump have listened to those in a
position to give good advice on Afghanistan. In Trump's case we will
never know, but in Biden's, the answer seems obvious. Possibly the
worst aspect of this mess doesn't involve Afghanistan, but rather
China. Taiwan, the home of the most advanced computer chip
manufacturing plant in the world, is clearly on China's radar. Biden's
inept weakness in Afghanistan might be interpreted by China as a sign
that it's time to grab Taiwan. Looks like the age of American
dominance is ending and the 21st century could see China assume our
role. After all, they are smarter than we are. (-8
With the publication of Woodward's latest book (Peril), we know. Trump
drafted a memo a week after the election ordering the withdrawal of
troops by January 15th. Although he backed down after everybody raised a
stink, his instincts and desire were made clear. He was bugging out even
before Biden did.
Sorry, but it's too late to assume Trump would have screwed things up
as badly as Biden. Perhaps Trump would have, but we will never know.

As for Biden defending Taiwan, Biden's weak incompetence in
Afghanistan, and even on our own border, is a fact that China and the
rest of the world can't ignore.

9/14: "Taiwan holds anti-invasion drill as China threat heightens"
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/taiwan-holds-anti-invasion-drill-as-china-threat-heightens-1.5585761
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
The book also detailed how Blinken and Austin both
urged Biden to delay the withdrawal into stages dependent on Taliban
actions. Biden said no, citing how Obama was convinced by the military
to extend the war back in 2009, and what a mistake that was.
I don't think China is stupid enough to conclude our hasty retreat means
Biden has become an isolationist. Biden would defend Taiwan.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-09-15 15:27:26 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:56:02 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:26:03 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
Post by bruce bowser
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
President Trump's reelection bid received a vote of support Friday from an
entity most in his party would reject: the Taliban.
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a phone interview,
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished all the major promises he
had made to American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."
Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We hope he will win the
election and wind up U.S. military presence in Afghanistan."
- Gronk
Oops, you forgot to mention the date of this piece -- Oct 11, 2020
BTW -- Trump's proposed withdrawal from Afghanistan -- Good.
Biden's execution of the withdrawal -- Pathetically Bad.
I concur on the latter. I continue to be conflicted on the former, other
than to note Biden agreed with it (and so do the majority of Americans).
Having said that, had Trump been reelected, the Taliban would now be in
control (and even earlier with the May 1 withdrawal date) with the same
shit going down for the Afghani people. Whether Trump would have had a
contingency plan to get us safely out for a rapid fall of the country we
will never know for sure. I do however believe he had no plan as of
January 19, 2021.
The unanswered question is would Trump have listened to those in a
position to give good advice on Afghanistan. In Trump's case we will
never know, but in Biden's, the answer seems obvious. Possibly the
worst aspect of this mess doesn't involve Afghanistan, but rather
China. Taiwan, the home of the most advanced computer chip
manufacturing plant in the world, is clearly on China's radar. Biden's
inept weakness in Afghanistan might be interpreted by China as a sign
that it's time to grab Taiwan. Looks like the age of American
dominance is ending and the 21st century could see China assume our
role. After all, they are smarter than we are. (-8
With the publication of Woodward's latest book (Peril), we know. Trump
drafted a memo a week after the election ordering the withdrawal of
troops by January 15th. Although he backed down after everybody raised a
stink, his instincts and desire were made clear. He was bugging out even
before Biden did.
Sorry, but it's too late to assume Trump would have screwed things up
as badly as Biden. Perhaps Trump would have, but we will never know.
As for Biden defending Taiwan, Biden's weak incompetence in
Afghanistan, and even on our own border, is a fact that China and the
rest of the world can't ignore.
9/14: "Taiwan holds anti-invasion drill as China threat heightens"
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/taiwan-holds-anti-invasion-drill-as-china-threat-heightens-1.5585761
You are, and China would be, making a big mistake by equating bugging
out from a hopeless nation-building endevaor with defending the rights
of the people of Taiwan.
El Castor
2021-09-15 18:13:08 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:56:02 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:47:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:26:03 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
Post by bruce bowser
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
President Trump's reelection bid received a vote of support Friday from an
entity most in his party would reject: the Taliban.
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a phone interview,
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished all the major promises he
had made to American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."
Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We hope he will win the
election and wind up U.S. military presence in Afghanistan."
- Gronk
Oops, you forgot to mention the date of this piece -- Oct 11, 2020
BTW -- Trump's proposed withdrawal from Afghanistan -- Good.
Biden's execution of the withdrawal -- Pathetically Bad.
I concur on the latter. I continue to be conflicted on the former, other
than to note Biden agreed with it (and so do the majority of Americans).
Having said that, had Trump been reelected, the Taliban would now be in
control (and even earlier with the May 1 withdrawal date) with the same
shit going down for the Afghani people. Whether Trump would have had a
contingency plan to get us safely out for a rapid fall of the country we
will never know for sure. I do however believe he had no plan as of
January 19, 2021.
The unanswered question is would Trump have listened to those in a
position to give good advice on Afghanistan. In Trump's case we will
never know, but in Biden's, the answer seems obvious. Possibly the
worst aspect of this mess doesn't involve Afghanistan, but rather
China. Taiwan, the home of the most advanced computer chip
manufacturing plant in the world, is clearly on China's radar. Biden's
inept weakness in Afghanistan might be interpreted by China as a sign
that it's time to grab Taiwan. Looks like the age of American
dominance is ending and the 21st century could see China assume our
role. After all, they are smarter than we are. (-8
With the publication of Woodward's latest book (Peril), we know. Trump
drafted a memo a week after the election ordering the withdrawal of
troops by January 15th. Although he backed down after everybody raised a
stink, his instincts and desire were made clear. He was bugging out even
before Biden did.
Sorry, but it's too late to assume Trump would have screwed things up
as badly as Biden. Perhaps Trump would have, but we will never know.
As for Biden defending Taiwan, Biden's weak incompetence in
Afghanistan, and even on our own border, is a fact that China and the
rest of the world can't ignore.
9/14: "Taiwan holds anti-invasion drill as China threat heightens"
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/taiwan-holds-anti-invasion-drill-as-china-threat-heightens-1.5585761
You are, and China would be, making a big mistake by equating bugging
out from a hopeless nation-building endevaor with defending the rights
of the people of Taiwan.
Apparently the people of Taiwan don't share your confidence in Biden:

"Afghanistan today, Taiwan tomorrow? US treachery scares DPP
US will abandon Taiwan in a crisis given its tarnished
credibility:"...
"The US retreat from Afghanistan has taught the island of Taiwan an
important lesson, that is, the cross-Straits relations must be
resolved by Taiwan itself, as the US may choose to abandon the island
at any time according to its own core interests, Chang Ya-chung, a
Taipei-based political scientist and member of the Kuomintang, told
the Global Times on Monday."
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231635.shtml
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-09-15 18:49:01 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:56:02 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:47:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:26:03 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
Post by bruce bowser
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
President Trump's reelection bid received a vote of support Friday from an
entity most in his party would reject: the Taliban.
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a phone interview,
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished all the major promises he
had made to American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."
Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We hope he will win the
election and wind up U.S. military presence in Afghanistan."
- Gronk
Oops, you forgot to mention the date of this piece -- Oct 11, 2020
BTW -- Trump's proposed withdrawal from Afghanistan -- Good.
Biden's execution of the withdrawal -- Pathetically Bad.
I concur on the latter. I continue to be conflicted on the former, other
than to note Biden agreed with it (and so do the majority of Americans).
Having said that, had Trump been reelected, the Taliban would now be in
control (and even earlier with the May 1 withdrawal date) with the same
shit going down for the Afghani people. Whether Trump would have had a
contingency plan to get us safely out for a rapid fall of the country we
will never know for sure. I do however believe he had no plan as of
January 19, 2021.
The unanswered question is would Trump have listened to those in a
position to give good advice on Afghanistan. In Trump's case we will
never know, but in Biden's, the answer seems obvious. Possibly the
worst aspect of this mess doesn't involve Afghanistan, but rather
China. Taiwan, the home of the most advanced computer chip
manufacturing plant in the world, is clearly on China's radar. Biden's
inept weakness in Afghanistan might be interpreted by China as a sign
that it's time to grab Taiwan. Looks like the age of American
dominance is ending and the 21st century could see China assume our
role. After all, they are smarter than we are. (-8
With the publication of Woodward's latest book (Peril), we know. Trump
drafted a memo a week after the election ordering the withdrawal of
troops by January 15th. Although he backed down after everybody raised a
stink, his instincts and desire were made clear. He was bugging out even
before Biden did.
Sorry, but it's too late to assume Trump would have screwed things up
as badly as Biden. Perhaps Trump would have, but we will never know.
As for Biden defending Taiwan, Biden's weak incompetence in
Afghanistan, and even on our own border, is a fact that China and the
rest of the world can't ignore.
9/14: "Taiwan holds anti-invasion drill as China threat heightens"
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/taiwan-holds-anti-invasion-drill-as-china-threat-heightens-1.5585761
You are, and China would be, making a big mistake by equating bugging
out from a hopeless nation-building endevaor with defending the rights
of the people of Taiwan.
"Afghanistan today, Taiwan tomorrow? US treachery scares DPP
US will abandon Taiwan in a crisis given its tarnished
credibility:"...
"The US retreat from Afghanistan has taught the island of Taiwan an
important lesson, that is, the cross-Straits relations must be
resolved by Taiwan itself, as the US may choose to abandon the island
at any time according to its own core interests, Chang Ya-chung, a
Taipei-based political scientist and member of the Kuomintang, told
the Global Times on Monday."
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231635.shtml
The Global Times is a propaganda rag of the Chinese Communist Party.
El Castor
2021-09-15 20:29:38 UTC
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:26:03 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
Post by bruce bowser
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
President Trump's reelection bid received a vote of support Friday from an
entity most in his party would reject: the Taliban.
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a phone interview,
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished all the major promises he
had made to American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."
Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We hope he will win the
election and wind up U.S. military presence in Afghanistan."
- Gronk
Oops, you forgot to mention the date of this piece -- Oct 11, 2020
BTW -- Trump's proposed withdrawal from Afghanistan -- Good.
Biden's execution of the withdrawal -- Pathetically Bad.
I concur on the latter. I continue to be conflicted on the former, other
than to note Biden agreed with it (and so do the majority of Americans).
Having said that, had Trump been reelected, the Taliban would now be in
control (and even earlier with the May 1 withdrawal date) with the same
shit going down for the Afghani people. Whether Trump would have had a
contingency plan to get us safely out for a rapid fall of the country we
will never know for sure. I do however believe he had no plan as of
January 19, 2021.
The unanswered question is would Trump have listened to those in a
position to give good advice on Afghanistan. In Trump's case we will
never know, but in Biden's, the answer seems obvious. Possibly the
worst aspect of this mess doesn't involve Afghanistan, but rather
China. Taiwan, the home of the most advanced computer chip
manufacturing plant in the world, is clearly on China's radar. Biden's
inept weakness in Afghanistan might be interpreted by China as a sign
that it's time to grab Taiwan. Looks like the age of American
dominance is ending and the 21st century could see China assume our
role. After all, they are smarter than we are. (-8
With the publication of Woodward's latest book (Peril), we know. Trump
drafted a memo a week after the election ordering the withdrawal of
troops by January 15th. Although he backed down after everybody raised a
stink, his instincts and desire were made clear. He was bugging out even
before Biden did.
Sorry, but it's too late to assume Trump would have screwed things up
as badly as Biden. Perhaps Trump would have, but we will never know.
As for Biden defending Taiwan, Biden's weak incompetence in
Afghanistan, and even on our own border, is a fact that China and the
rest of the world can't ignore.
9/14: "Taiwan holds anti-invasion drill as China threat heightens"
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/taiwan-holds-anti-invasion-drill-as-china-threat-heightens-1.5585761
You are, and China would be, making a big mistake by equating bugging
out from a hopeless nation-building endevaor with defending the rights
of the people of Taiwan.
"Afghanistan today, Taiwan tomorrow? US treachery scares DPP
US will abandon Taiwan in a crisis given its tarnished
credibility:"...
"The US retreat from Afghanistan has taught the island of Taiwan an
important lesson, that is, the cross-Straits relations must be
resolved by Taiwan itself, as the US may choose to abandon the island
at any time according to its own core interests, Chang Ya-chung, a
Taipei-based political scientist and member of the Kuomintang, told
the Global Times on Monday."
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231635.shtml
The Global Times is a propaganda rag of the Chinese Communist Party.
I admit I have a problem finding a leftwing site critical of Bidens
weakness, but here is something from the Brits ...
"White House backtracks after Biden appears to say US would defend
Taiwan against China"
"A senior Biden administration official said US policy on Taiwan had
not changed after President Joe Biden appeared to suggest the US would
defend the island if it were attacked, a deviation from a long-held US
position of “strategic ambiguity”."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/20/biden-taiwan-china-us-defence

Let's hope we don't find ourselves at war with China.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-09-15 20:36:34 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 08:27:26 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:56:02 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:47:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:26:03 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
Post by bruce bowser
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
President Trump's reelection bid received a vote of support Friday from an
entity most in his party would reject: the Taliban.
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a phone interview,
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished all the major promises he
had made to American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."
Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We hope he will win the
election and wind up U.S. military presence in Afghanistan."
- Gronk
Oops, you forgot to mention the date of this piece -- Oct 11, 2020
BTW -- Trump's proposed withdrawal from Afghanistan -- Good.
Biden's execution of the withdrawal -- Pathetically Bad.
I concur on the latter. I continue to be conflicted on the former, other
than to note Biden agreed with it (and so do the majority of Americans).
Having said that, had Trump been reelected, the Taliban would now be in
control (and even earlier with the May 1 withdrawal date) with the same
shit going down for the Afghani people. Whether Trump would have had a
contingency plan to get us safely out for a rapid fall of the country we
will never know for sure. I do however believe he had no plan as of
January 19, 2021.
The unanswered question is would Trump have listened to those in a
position to give good advice on Afghanistan. In Trump's case we will
never know, but in Biden's, the answer seems obvious. Possibly the
worst aspect of this mess doesn't involve Afghanistan, but rather
China. Taiwan, the home of the most advanced computer chip
manufacturing plant in the world, is clearly on China's radar. Biden's
inept weakness in Afghanistan might be interpreted by China as a sign
that it's time to grab Taiwan. Looks like the age of American
dominance is ending and the 21st century could see China assume our
role. After all, they are smarter than we are. (-8
With the publication of Woodward's latest book (Peril), we know. Trump
drafted a memo a week after the election ordering the withdrawal of
troops by January 15th. Although he backed down after everybody raised a
stink, his instincts and desire were made clear. He was bugging out even
before Biden did.
Sorry, but it's too late to assume Trump would have screwed things up
as badly as Biden. Perhaps Trump would have, but we will never know.
As for Biden defending Taiwan, Biden's weak incompetence in
Afghanistan, and even on our own border, is a fact that China and the
rest of the world can't ignore.
9/14: "Taiwan holds anti-invasion drill as China threat heightens"
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/taiwan-holds-anti-invasion-drill-as-china-threat-heightens-1.5585761
You are, and China would be, making a big mistake by equating bugging
out from a hopeless nation-building endevaor with defending the rights
of the people of Taiwan.
"Afghanistan today, Taiwan tomorrow? US treachery scares DPP
US will abandon Taiwan in a crisis given its tarnished
credibility:"...
"The US retreat from Afghanistan has taught the island of Taiwan an
important lesson, that is, the cross-Straits relations must be
resolved by Taiwan itself, as the US may choose to abandon the island
at any time according to its own core interests, Chang Ya-chung, a
Taipei-based political scientist and member of the Kuomintang, told
the Global Times on Monday."
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231635.shtml
The Global Times is a propaganda rag of the Chinese Communist Party.
I admit I have a problem finding a leftwing site critical of Bidens
weakness,
The propaganda arm of the Chinese Communist Party is about as left wing
as you can get.
Post by El Castor
but here is something from the Brits ...
"White House backtracks after Biden appears to say US would defend
Taiwan against China"
"A senior Biden administration official said US policy on Taiwan had
not changed after President Joe Biden appeared to suggest the US would
defend the island if it were attacked, a deviation from a long-held US
position of “strategic ambiguity”."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/20/biden-taiwan-china-us-defence
Let's hope we don't find ourselves at war with China.
Firstly, you can see Biden's instincts on Taiwan are polar opposite of
his instincts on Afghanistan. Secondly, the "strategic ambiguity"
official policy of the United States (long held by administrations of
both parties) is also far different than Biden's view of Afghanistan.

There is simply nothing in Afghanistan that informs us how Biden treats
Taiwan.
El Castor
2021-09-16 02:12:21 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 08:27:26 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:56:02 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:47:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:26:03 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
Post by bruce bowser
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
President Trump's reelection bid received a vote of support Friday from an
entity most in his party would reject: the Taliban.
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a phone interview,
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished all the major promises he
had made to American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."
Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We hope he will win the
election and wind up U.S. military presence in Afghanistan."
- Gronk
Oops, you forgot to mention the date of this piece -- Oct 11, 2020
BTW -- Trump's proposed withdrawal from Afghanistan -- Good.
Biden's execution of the withdrawal -- Pathetically Bad.
I concur on the latter. I continue to be conflicted on the former, other
than to note Biden agreed with it (and so do the majority of Americans).
Having said that, had Trump been reelected, the Taliban would now be in
control (and even earlier with the May 1 withdrawal date) with the same
shit going down for the Afghani people. Whether Trump would have had a
contingency plan to get us safely out for a rapid fall of the country we
will never know for sure. I do however believe he had no plan as of
January 19, 2021.
The unanswered question is would Trump have listened to those in a
position to give good advice on Afghanistan. In Trump's case we will
never know, but in Biden's, the answer seems obvious. Possibly the
worst aspect of this mess doesn't involve Afghanistan, but rather
China. Taiwan, the home of the most advanced computer chip
manufacturing plant in the world, is clearly on China's radar. Biden's
inept weakness in Afghanistan might be interpreted by China as a sign
that it's time to grab Taiwan. Looks like the age of American
dominance is ending and the 21st century could see China assume our
role. After all, they are smarter than we are. (-8
With the publication of Woodward's latest book (Peril), we know. Trump
drafted a memo a week after the election ordering the withdrawal of
troops by January 15th. Although he backed down after everybody raised a
stink, his instincts and desire were made clear. He was bugging out even
before Biden did.
Sorry, but it's too late to assume Trump would have screwed things up
as badly as Biden. Perhaps Trump would have, but we will never know.
As for Biden defending Taiwan, Biden's weak incompetence in
Afghanistan, and even on our own border, is a fact that China and the
rest of the world can't ignore.
9/14: "Taiwan holds anti-invasion drill as China threat heightens"
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/taiwan-holds-anti-invasion-drill-as-china-threat-heightens-1.5585761
You are, and China would be, making a big mistake by equating bugging
out from a hopeless nation-building endevaor with defending the rights
of the people of Taiwan.
"Afghanistan today, Taiwan tomorrow? US treachery scares DPP
US will abandon Taiwan in a crisis given its tarnished
credibility:"...
"The US retreat from Afghanistan has taught the island of Taiwan an
important lesson, that is, the cross-Straits relations must be
resolved by Taiwan itself, as the US may choose to abandon the island
at any time according to its own core interests, Chang Ya-chung, a
Taipei-based political scientist and member of the Kuomintang, told
the Global Times on Monday."
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231635.shtml
The Global Times is a propaganda rag of the Chinese Communist Party.
I admit I have a problem finding a leftwing site critical of Bidens
weakness,
The propaganda arm of the Chinese Communist Party is about as left wing
as you can get.
Post by El Castor
but here is something from the Brits ...
"White House backtracks after Biden appears to say US would defend
Taiwan against China"
"A senior Biden administration official said US policy on Taiwan had
not changed after President Joe Biden appeared to suggest the US would
defend the island if it were attacked, a deviation from a long-held US
position of “strategic ambiguity”."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/20/biden-taiwan-china-us-defence
Let's hope we don't find ourselves at war with China.
Firstly, you can see Biden's instincts on Taiwan are polar opposite of
his instincts on Afghanistan. Secondly, the "strategic ambiguity"
official policy of the United States (long held by administrations of
both parties) is also far different than Biden's view of Afghanistan.
There is simply nothing in Afghanistan that informs us how Biden treats
Taiwan.
Simply nothing that informs? Nothing other than a lack of planning,
inept execution, and a betrayal of years of promises. If China invades
Taiwan, what to expect? More betrayals and broken promises or perhaps
US aircraft attacking Chinese shipping, aircraft, and dozens of
Chinese airfields? Perhaps an embargo? Oh well, nothing to worry about
-- we've got Creepy Joe looking out for us.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-09-16 03:08:17 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 11:49:01 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 08:27:26 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:56:02 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:47:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:26:03 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
Post by bruce bowser
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
President Trump's reelection bid received a vote of support Friday from an
entity most in his party would reject: the Taliban.
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a phone interview,
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished all the major promises he
had made to American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."
Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We hope he will win the
election and wind up U.S. military presence in Afghanistan."
- Gronk
Oops, you forgot to mention the date of this piece -- Oct 11, 2020
BTW -- Trump's proposed withdrawal from Afghanistan -- Good.
Biden's execution of the withdrawal -- Pathetically Bad.
I concur on the latter. I continue to be conflicted on the former, other
than to note Biden agreed with it (and so do the majority of Americans).
Having said that, had Trump been reelected, the Taliban would now be in
control (and even earlier with the May 1 withdrawal date) with the same
shit going down for the Afghani people. Whether Trump would have had a
contingency plan to get us safely out for a rapid fall of the country we
will never know for sure. I do however believe he had no plan as of
January 19, 2021.
The unanswered question is would Trump have listened to those in a
position to give good advice on Afghanistan. In Trump's case we will
never know, but in Biden's, the answer seems obvious. Possibly the
worst aspect of this mess doesn't involve Afghanistan, but rather
China. Taiwan, the home of the most advanced computer chip
manufacturing plant in the world, is clearly on China's radar. Biden's
inept weakness in Afghanistan might be interpreted by China as a sign
that it's time to grab Taiwan. Looks like the age of American
dominance is ending and the 21st century could see China assume our
role. After all, they are smarter than we are. (-8
With the publication of Woodward's latest book (Peril), we know. Trump
drafted a memo a week after the election ordering the withdrawal of
troops by January 15th. Although he backed down after everybody raised a
stink, his instincts and desire were made clear. He was bugging out even
before Biden did.
Sorry, but it's too late to assume Trump would have screwed things up
as badly as Biden. Perhaps Trump would have, but we will never know.
As for Biden defending Taiwan, Biden's weak incompetence in
Afghanistan, and even on our own border, is a fact that China and the
rest of the world can't ignore.
9/14: "Taiwan holds anti-invasion drill as China threat heightens"
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/taiwan-holds-anti-invasion-drill-as-china-threat-heightens-1.5585761
You are, and China would be, making a big mistake by equating bugging
out from a hopeless nation-building endevaor with defending the rights
of the people of Taiwan.
"Afghanistan today, Taiwan tomorrow? US treachery scares DPP
US will abandon Taiwan in a crisis given its tarnished
credibility:"...
"The US retreat from Afghanistan has taught the island of Taiwan an
important lesson, that is, the cross-Straits relations must be
resolved by Taiwan itself, as the US may choose to abandon the island
at any time according to its own core interests, Chang Ya-chung, a
Taipei-based political scientist and member of the Kuomintang, told
the Global Times on Monday."
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231635.shtml
The Global Times is a propaganda rag of the Chinese Communist Party.
I admit I have a problem finding a leftwing site critical of Bidens
weakness,
The propaganda arm of the Chinese Communist Party is about as left wing
as you can get.
Post by El Castor
but here is something from the Brits ...
"White House backtracks after Biden appears to say US would defend
Taiwan against China"
"A senior Biden administration official said US policy on Taiwan had
not changed after President Joe Biden appeared to suggest the US would
defend the island if it were attacked, a deviation from a long-held US
position of “strategic ambiguity”."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/20/biden-taiwan-china-us-defence
Let's hope we don't find ourselves at war with China.
Firstly, you can see Biden's instincts on Taiwan are polar opposite of
his instincts on Afghanistan. Secondly, the "strategic ambiguity"
official policy of the United States (long held by administrations of
both parties) is also far different than Biden's view of Afghanistan.
There is simply nothing in Afghanistan that informs us how Biden treats
Taiwan.
Simply nothing that informs? Nothing other than a lack of planning,
inept execution, and a betrayal of years of promises.
What betrayals and broken promises?
Post by El Castor
If China invades
Taiwan, what to expect? More betrayals and broken promises or perhaps
US aircraft attacking Chinese shipping, aircraft, and dozens of
Chinese airfields? Perhaps an embargo? Oh well, nothing to worry about
-- we've got Creepy Joe looking out for us
El Castor
2021-09-16 06:07:46 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 11:49:01 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 08:27:26 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:56:02 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:47:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:26:03 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
Post by bruce bowser
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
President Trump's reelection bid received a vote of support Friday from an
entity most in his party would reject: the Taliban.
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a phone interview,
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished all the major promises he
had made to American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."
Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We hope he will win the
election and wind up U.S. military presence in Afghanistan."
- Gronk
Oops, you forgot to mention the date of this piece -- Oct 11, 2020
BTW -- Trump's proposed withdrawal from Afghanistan -- Good.
Biden's execution of the withdrawal -- Pathetically Bad.
I concur on the latter. I continue to be conflicted on the former, other
than to note Biden agreed with it (and so do the majority of Americans).
Having said that, had Trump been reelected, the Taliban would now be in
control (and even earlier with the May 1 withdrawal date) with the same
shit going down for the Afghani people. Whether Trump would have had a
contingency plan to get us safely out for a rapid fall of the country we
will never know for sure. I do however believe he had no plan as of
January 19, 2021.
The unanswered question is would Trump have listened to those in a
position to give good advice on Afghanistan. In Trump's case we will
never know, but in Biden's, the answer seems obvious. Possibly the
worst aspect of this mess doesn't involve Afghanistan, but rather
China. Taiwan, the home of the most advanced computer chip
manufacturing plant in the world, is clearly on China's radar. Biden's
inept weakness in Afghanistan might be interpreted by China as a sign
that it's time to grab Taiwan. Looks like the age of American
dominance is ending and the 21st century could see China assume our
role. After all, they are smarter than we are. (-8
With the publication of Woodward's latest book (Peril), we know. Trump
drafted a memo a week after the election ordering the withdrawal of
troops by January 15th. Although he backed down after everybody raised a
stink, his instincts and desire were made clear. He was bugging out even
before Biden did.
Sorry, but it's too late to assume Trump would have screwed things up
as badly as Biden. Perhaps Trump would have, but we will never know.
As for Biden defending Taiwan, Biden's weak incompetence in
Afghanistan, and even on our own border, is a fact that China and the
rest of the world can't ignore.
9/14: "Taiwan holds anti-invasion drill as China threat heightens"
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/taiwan-holds-anti-invasion-drill-as-china-threat-heightens-1.5585761
You are, and China would be, making a big mistake by equating bugging
out from a hopeless nation-building endevaor with defending the rights
of the people of Taiwan.
"Afghanistan today, Taiwan tomorrow? US treachery scares DPP
US will abandon Taiwan in a crisis given its tarnished
credibility:"...
"The US retreat from Afghanistan has taught the island of Taiwan an
important lesson, that is, the cross-Straits relations must be
resolved by Taiwan itself, as the US may choose to abandon the island
at any time according to its own core interests, Chang Ya-chung, a
Taipei-based political scientist and member of the Kuomintang, told
the Global Times on Monday."
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231635.shtml
The Global Times is a propaganda rag of the Chinese Communist Party.
I admit I have a problem finding a leftwing site critical of Bidens
weakness,
The propaganda arm of the Chinese Communist Party is about as left wing
as you can get.
Post by El Castor
but here is something from the Brits ...
"White House backtracks after Biden appears to say US would defend
Taiwan against China"
"A senior Biden administration official said US policy on Taiwan had
not changed after President Joe Biden appeared to suggest the US would
defend the island if it were attacked, a deviation from a long-held US
position of “strategic ambiguity”."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/20/biden-taiwan-china-us-defence
Let's hope we don't find ourselves at war with China.
Firstly, you can see Biden's instincts on Taiwan are polar opposite of
his instincts on Afghanistan. Secondly, the "strategic ambiguity"
official policy of the United States (long held by administrations of
both parties) is also far different than Biden's view of Afghanistan.
There is simply nothing in Afghanistan that informs us how Biden treats
Taiwan.
Simply nothing that informs? Nothing other than a lack of planning,
inept execution, and a betrayal of years of promises.
What betrayals and broken promises?
"Biden’s Betrayal of Afghans Will Live in Infamy
Our abandonment of the Afghans who helped us, counted on us, and
staked their lives on us is a final, gratuitous shame that we could
have avoided."
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/bidens-betrayal-of-afghans-will-live-in-infamy/619764/

"A resettlement agency official aiding Afghan refugees is angered that
the US left allies behind in Afghanistan.
"We're frankly pretty angry that our government has not kept its
promise to so many of those people," Matthew Soerens of World Relief
told Insider.
A State Department official estimated Wednesday that the US left
behind "the majority" of special immigrant visa applicants in
Afghanistan."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/agency-official-whos-resettling-afghan-refugees-angry-that-us-left-allies-behind-our-government-has-not-kept-its-promise/ar-AAO1Up9?ocid=uxbndlbing

"It’s evident that the expedited retreat of American forces from
Afghanistan was not part of any credible military plan, which would
have run a civilian-evacuation campaign before an orderly withdrawal
of troops and the destruction of left-behind matériel and military
bases. Biden insisted on his bungled exit for the political optics of
announcing “mission accomplished” by the iconic date of Sept. 11. Few
foreign observers would disagree with former Vice President Mike
Pence’s view that the botched withdrawal “is a foreign-policy
humiliation unlike anything our country has endured since the Iran
hostage crisis.” The American retreat must confirm to the Gulf Sunni
states that relying on the U.S. security presence is a risky
proposition, at best. "
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/09/14/the_gulf_arab_states_and_bidens_afghanistan_betrayal_146396.html

"Prematurely exiting Afghanistan has far-reaching implications, and
will cause friends and foes alike to question America's foreign policy
commitments. It is a major blow to U.S. credibility, capacity and
geopolitical leverage."
https://www.newsweek.com/cost-betrayal-afghanistan-opinion-1620604
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
If China invades
Taiwan, what to expect? More betrayals and broken promises or perhaps
US aircraft attacking Chinese shipping, aircraft, and dozens of
Chinese airfields? Perhaps an embargo? Oh well, nothing to worry about
-- we've got Creepy Joe looking out for us
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-09-16 15:56:45 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:08:17 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Simply nothing that informs? Nothing other than a lack of planning,
inept execution, and a betrayal of years of promises.
What betrayals and broken promises?
"Biden’s Betrayal of Afghans Will Live in Infamy
Our abandonment of the Afghans who helped us, counted on us, and
staked their lives on us is a final, gratuitous shame that we could
have avoided."
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/bidens-betrayal-of-afghans-will-live-in-infamy/619764/
"A resettlement agency official aiding Afghan refugees is angered that
the US left allies behind in Afghanistan.
"We're frankly pretty angry that our government has not kept its
promise to so many of those people," Matthew Soerens of World Relief
told Insider.
A State Department official estimated Wednesday that the US left
behind "the majority" of special immigrant visa applicants in
Afghanistan."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/agency-official-whos-resettling-afghan-refugees-angry-that-us-left-allies-behind-our-government-has-not-kept-its-promise/ar-AAO1Up9?ocid=uxbndlbing
"It’s evident that the expedited retreat of American forces from
Afghanistan was not part of any credible military plan, which would
have run a civilian-evacuation campaign before an orderly withdrawal
of troops and the destruction of left-behind matériel and military
bases. Biden insisted on his bungled exit for the political optics of
announcing “mission accomplished” by the iconic date of Sept. 11. Few
foreign observers would disagree with former Vice President Mike
Pence’s view that the botched withdrawal “is a foreign-policy
humiliation unlike anything our country has endured since the Iran
hostage crisis.” The American retreat must confirm to the Gulf Sunni
states that relying on the U.S. security presence is a risky
proposition, at best. "
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/09/14/the_gulf_arab_states_and_bidens_afghanistan_betrayal_146396.html
"Prematurely exiting Afghanistan has far-reaching implications, and
will cause friends and foes alike to question America's foreign policy
commitments. It is a major blow to U.S. credibility, capacity and
geopolitical leverage."
https://www.newsweek.com/cost-betrayal-afghanistan-opinion-1620604
So, the betrayal wasn't leaving, it was leaving without getting out
those who worked for us behind. Sorry, if that is the case, that is no
indication of weakness in our Taiwan policy because we aren't leaving
Taiwan in the first place.
El Castor
2021-09-16 18:28:24 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:08:17 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Simply nothing that informs? Nothing other than a lack of planning,
inept execution, and a betrayal of years of promises.
What betrayals and broken promises?
"Biden’s Betrayal of Afghans Will Live in Infamy
Our abandonment of the Afghans who helped us, counted on us, and
staked their lives on us is a final, gratuitous shame that we could
have avoided."
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/bidens-betrayal-of-afghans-will-live-in-infamy/619764/
"A resettlement agency official aiding Afghan refugees is angered that
the US left allies behind in Afghanistan.
"We're frankly pretty angry that our government has not kept its
promise to so many of those people," Matthew Soerens of World Relief
told Insider.
A State Department official estimated Wednesday that the US left
behind "the majority" of special immigrant visa applicants in
Afghanistan."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/agency-official-whos-resettling-afghan-refugees-angry-that-us-left-allies-behind-our-government-has-not-kept-its-promise/ar-AAO1Up9?ocid=uxbndlbing
"It’s evident that the expedited retreat of American forces from
Afghanistan was not part of any credible military plan, which would
have run a civilian-evacuation campaign before an orderly withdrawal
of troops and the destruction of left-behind matériel and military
bases. Biden insisted on his bungled exit for the political optics of
announcing “mission accomplished” by the iconic date of Sept. 11. Few
foreign observers would disagree with former Vice President Mike
Pence’s view that the botched withdrawal “is a foreign-policy
humiliation unlike anything our country has endured since the Iran
hostage crisis.” The American retreat must confirm to the Gulf Sunni
states that relying on the U.S. security presence is a risky
proposition, at best. "
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/09/14/the_gulf_arab_states_and_bidens_afghanistan_betrayal_146396.html
"Prematurely exiting Afghanistan has far-reaching implications, and
will cause friends and foes alike to question America's foreign policy
commitments. It is a major blow to U.S. credibility, capacity and
geopolitical leverage."
https://www.newsweek.com/cost-betrayal-afghanistan-opinion-1620604
So, the betrayal wasn't leaving, it was leaving without getting out
those who worked for us behind. Sorry, if that is the case, that is no
indication of weakness in our Taiwan policy because we aren't leaving
Taiwan in the first place.
The Afghan betrayal went beyond broken promises to the Afghans who
aided us -- it included many American citizens who we left behind, as
well as members of the government we helped to establish, and the
women and girls who were allowed to enjoy an education and freedom
unknown in a fundamentalist Afghanistan. Those days have ended for
them. And needless to say, our hasty poorly conceived departure must
have other allies in the Middle East wondering if their reliance on
the US is a mistake.

The problem, or perhaps virtue, in the case of Taiwan is Biden's
unpredictability. How will he react to an invasion, or an obviously
impending invasion? If Afghanistatan is any indication, he will be
planless, weak and indecisive. From the Chinese perspective this must
appear to be an opportunity too good to pass up. Taiwan is probably
gone. Personally, my biggest concern is that Biden in an attempt to
appear strong and decisive might inadvertently get us into a
disastrous war with China.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-09-16 19:25:59 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 08:56:45 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:08:17 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Simply nothing that informs? Nothing other than a lack of planning,
inept execution, and a betrayal of years of promises.
What betrayals and broken promises?
"Biden’s Betrayal of Afghans Will Live in Infamy
Our abandonment of the Afghans who helped us, counted on us, and
staked their lives on us is a final, gratuitous shame that we could
have avoided."
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/bidens-betrayal-of-afghans-will-live-in-infamy/619764/
"A resettlement agency official aiding Afghan refugees is angered that
the US left allies behind in Afghanistan.
"We're frankly pretty angry that our government has not kept its
promise to so many of those people," Matthew Soerens of World Relief
told Insider.
A State Department official estimated Wednesday that the US left
behind "the majority" of special immigrant visa applicants in
Afghanistan."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/agency-official-whos-resettling-afghan-refugees-angry-that-us-left-allies-behind-our-government-has-not-kept-its-promise/ar-AAO1Up9?ocid=uxbndlbing
"It’s evident that the expedited retreat of American forces from
Afghanistan was not part of any credible military plan, which would
have run a civilian-evacuation campaign before an orderly withdrawal
of troops and the destruction of left-behind matériel and military
bases. Biden insisted on his bungled exit for the political optics of
announcing “mission accomplished” by the iconic date of Sept. 11. Few
foreign observers would disagree with former Vice President Mike
Pence’s view that the botched withdrawal “is a foreign-policy
humiliation unlike anything our country has endured since the Iran
hostage crisis.” The American retreat must confirm to the Gulf Sunni
states that relying on the U.S. security presence is a risky
proposition, at best. "
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/09/14/the_gulf_arab_states_and_bidens_afghanistan_betrayal_146396.html
"Prematurely exiting Afghanistan has far-reaching implications, and
will cause friends and foes alike to question America's foreign policy
commitments. It is a major blow to U.S. credibility, capacity and
geopolitical leverage."
https://www.newsweek.com/cost-betrayal-afghanistan-opinion-1620604
So, the betrayal wasn't leaving, it was leaving without getting out
those who worked for us behind. Sorry, if that is the case, that is no
indication of weakness in our Taiwan policy because we aren't leaving
Taiwan in the first place.
The Afghan betrayal went beyond broken promises to the Afghans who
aided us -- it included many American citizens who we left behind, as
well as members of the government we helped to establish, and the
women and girls who were allowed to enjoy an education and freedom
unknown in a fundamentalist Afghanistan. Those days have ended for
them. And needless to say, our hasty poorly conceived departure must
have other allies in the Middle East wondering if their reliance on
the US is a mistake.
We didn't promise anything to the government or the women. Are you
arguing we should have stayed and our weakness in leaving is what should
cause Taiwan concern?
Post by El Castor
The problem, or perhaps virtue, in the case of Taiwan is Biden's
unpredictability. How will he react to an invasion, or an obviously
impending invasion? If Afghanistatan is any indication, he will be
planless, weak and indecisive. From the Chinese perspective this must
appear to be an opportunity too good to pass up. Taiwan is probably
gone. Personally, my biggest concern is that Biden in an attempt to
appear strong and decisive might inadvertently get us into a
disastrous war with China.
So, either Biden is weak and Taiwan falls or Biden is bat-shit crazy
unpredictable and WWIII is on the horizon. How easy it is to bash Biden
when in the event your initial argument (weakness) fails, you get to
substitute an unsupported, wild-ass claim (unpredictable war monger when
accused of weakness). That's a sure sign the argument is partisan trash.
El Castor
2021-09-16 20:51:03 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:25:59 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 08:56:45 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:08:17 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Simply nothing that informs? Nothing other than a lack of planning,
inept execution, and a betrayal of years of promises.
What betrayals and broken promises?
"Biden’s Betrayal of Afghans Will Live in Infamy
Our abandonment of the Afghans who helped us, counted on us, and
staked their lives on us is a final, gratuitous shame that we could
have avoided."
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/bidens-betrayal-of-afghans-will-live-in-infamy/619764/
"A resettlement agency official aiding Afghan refugees is angered that
the US left allies behind in Afghanistan.
"We're frankly pretty angry that our government has not kept its
promise to so many of those people," Matthew Soerens of World Relief
told Insider.
A State Department official estimated Wednesday that the US left
behind "the majority" of special immigrant visa applicants in
Afghanistan."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/agency-official-whos-resettling-afghan-refugees-angry-that-us-left-allies-behind-our-government-has-not-kept-its-promise/ar-AAO1Up9?ocid=uxbndlbing
"It’s evident that the expedited retreat of American forces from
Afghanistan was not part of any credible military plan, which would
have run a civilian-evacuation campaign before an orderly withdrawal
of troops and the destruction of left-behind matériel and military
bases. Biden insisted on his bungled exit for the political optics of
announcing “mission accomplished” by the iconic date of Sept. 11. Few
foreign observers would disagree with former Vice President Mike
Pence’s view that the botched withdrawal “is a foreign-policy
humiliation unlike anything our country has endured since the Iran
hostage crisis.” The American retreat must confirm to the Gulf Sunni
states that relying on the U.S. security presence is a risky
proposition, at best. "
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/09/14/the_gulf_arab_states_and_bidens_afghanistan_betrayal_146396.html
"Prematurely exiting Afghanistan has far-reaching implications, and
will cause friends and foes alike to question America's foreign policy
commitments. It is a major blow to U.S. credibility, capacity and
geopolitical leverage."
https://www.newsweek.com/cost-betrayal-afghanistan-opinion-1620604
So, the betrayal wasn't leaving, it was leaving without getting out
those who worked for us behind. Sorry, if that is the case, that is no
indication of weakness in our Taiwan policy because we aren't leaving
Taiwan in the first place.
The Afghan betrayal went beyond broken promises to the Afghans who
aided us -- it included many American citizens who we left behind, as
well as members of the government we helped to establish, and the
women and girls who were allowed to enjoy an education and freedom
unknown in a fundamentalist Afghanistan. Those days have ended for
them. And needless to say, our hasty poorly conceived departure must
have other allies in the Middle East wondering if their reliance on
the US is a mistake.
We didn't promise anything to the government or the women.
After 10 years of American support and education in Western values I
believe the government and people of Afghanistan had a right to expect
an orderly well planned withdrawal -- something more than just
surrendering them to the blood thirsty hands of the Taliban.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Are you
arguing we should have stayed and our weakness in leaving is what should
cause Taiwan concern?
I am arguing that our withdrawal should have been respectful of our
values and the well being of those we left behind. Biden's
disorganized escape showed no regard for the plight of those friends
and helpers who we left to be tortured and killed by the Taliban. Of
course the people of Taiwan have good reason to worry that they might
well receive the same treatment from a United States they also once
trusted.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The problem, or perhaps virtue, in the case of Taiwan is Biden's
unpredictability. How will he react to an invasion, or an obviously
impending invasion? If Afghanistatan is any indication, he will be
planless, weak and indecisive. From the Chinese perspective this must
appear to be an opportunity too good to pass up. Taiwan is probably
gone. Personally, my biggest concern is that Biden in an attempt to
appear strong and decisive might inadvertently get us into a
disastrous war with China.
So, either Biden is weak and Taiwan falls or Biden is bat-shit crazy
unpredictable and WWIII is on the horizon. How easy it is to bash Biden
when in the event your initial argument (weakness) fails, you get to
substitute an unsupported, wild-ass claim (unpredictable war monger when
accused of weakness). That's a sure sign the argument is partisan trash.
And speaking of partisan trash, what is that smell in the air? (-8

Did I ever tell you about my departure from the US Navy? I enlisted
just prior to Vietnam, served 3 years at sea during the war, and then
2 years shore duty in Spain. When my enlistment was up I returned to
San Francisco where I read for the first time the truth of that
dreadful war and it's atrocities. I remembered a story I had been told
by the officer who relieved me as I was leaving Spain. A Marine told
him about seeing North Vietnamese prisoners lined up and pushed out of
helicopters to their deaths to get them to talk. I wrote the Secretary
of the Navy and told him what I had heard. He wrote back and insisted
this was just a sea story (tall tale). Then the Office of Naval
Intelligence called me in and was clearly more interested in my
security clearance than Vietnam atrocities. I wrote the Sec Nav again
and resigned my reserve commission.
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Viet-Cong-prisoners-during-the-Vietnam-War-were-sometimes-thrown-out-of-airborne-helicopters
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-09-16 21:39:57 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:25:59 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Are you
arguing we should have stayed and our weakness in leaving is what should
cause Taiwan concern?
I am arguing that our withdrawal should have been respectful of our
values and the well being of those we left behind. Biden's
disorganized escape showed no regard for the plight of those friends
and helpers who we left to be tortured and killed by the Taliban. Of
course the people of Taiwan have good reason to worry that they might
well receive the same treatment from a United States they also once
trusted.
If we had only had a "respectful" withdrawal (one that still left the
Taliban in charge to wreck holy hell on its citizens, but at least got
the tiny minority out who worked for us out before the devil arrived),
then the Taiwanese would be breathing easier? I don't think so.
El Castor
2021-09-17 05:59:37 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 14:39:57 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:25:59 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Are you
arguing we should have stayed and our weakness in leaving is what should
cause Taiwan concern?
I am arguing that our withdrawal should have been respectful of our
values and the well being of those we left behind. Biden's
disorganized escape showed no regard for the plight of those friends
and helpers who we left to be tortured and killed by the Taliban. Of
course the people of Taiwan have good reason to worry that they might
well receive the same treatment from a United States they also once
trusted.
If we had only had a "respectful" withdrawal (one that still left the
Taliban in charge to wreck holy hell on its citizens, but at least got
the tiny minority out who worked for us out before the devil arrived),
then the Taiwanese would be breathing easier? I don't think so.
A 'tiny" minority? 50,000?
"U.S. official: 'Majority' of Afghan allies who applied for special
visas left behind in Afghanistan"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/small-fraction-america-s-afghan-allies-made-it-out-afghanistan-n1278141

"In May, roughly 20,000 Afghan allies were in the pipeline for a
special immigrant visa, according to NBC News. When family members are
included, the pool of Afghans in the SIV program was at least 70,000,
according to refugee advocacy groups."
https://www.businessinsider.com/state-department-afghanistan-special-immigrant-visa-applicants-left-allies-interpreters-2021-9

Biden's Afghanistan departure was a hasty ill planned mess -- not
something that would instill great confidence in Taiwan.

IN ANY EVENT, DO YOU BELIEVE THE UNITED STATES WOULD, OR SHOULD, GO TO
WAR WITH CHINA TO "DEFEND" TAIWAN?

If you believe war is appropriate, please explain the legal or
legislative basis of our war obligation.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-09-17 16:16:42 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 14:39:57 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:25:59 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Are you
arguing we should have stayed and our weakness in leaving is what should
cause Taiwan concern?
I am arguing that our withdrawal should have been respectful of our
values and the well being of those we left behind. Biden's
disorganized escape showed no regard for the plight of those friends
and helpers who we left to be tortured and killed by the Taliban. Of
course the people of Taiwan have good reason to worry that they might
well receive the same treatment from a United States they also once
trusted.
If we had only had a "respectful" withdrawal (one that still left the
Taliban in charge to wreck holy hell on its citizens, but at least got
the tiny minority out who worked for us out before the devil arrived),
then the Taiwanese would be breathing easier? I don't think so.
A 'tiny" minority? 50,000?
Yes. 50,000 is just over 0.1% of the total population of just under 40
million.
Post by El Castor
"U.S. official: 'Majority' of Afghan allies who applied for special
visas left behind in Afghanistan"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/small-fraction-america-s-afghan-allies-made-it-out-afghanistan-n1278141
"In May, roughly 20,000 Afghan allies were in the pipeline for a
special immigrant visa, according to NBC News. When family members are
included, the pool of Afghans in the SIV program was at least 70,000,
according to refugee advocacy groups."
https://www.businessinsider.com/state-department-afghanistan-special-immigrant-visa-applicants-left-allies-interpreters-2021-9
Biden's Afghanistan departure was a hasty ill planned mess -- not
something that would instill great confidence in Taiwan.
Why would the Taiwanese care when a well-planned withdrawal would still
leave 99.9% of the people at risk? Any Afghanistan withdrawal (well
planned or a mess) should scare them (or not) pretty much the same.
Post by El Castor
IN ANY EVENT, DO YOU BELIEVE THE UNITED STATES WOULD, OR SHOULD, GO TO
WAR WITH CHINA TO "DEFEND" TAIWAN?
If you believe war is appropriate, please explain the legal or
legislative basis of our war obligation.
We should neither go to all-out war or abandon Taiwan. What the correct
middle action is I do not know. But, our policy of strategic ambiguity
on the question strikes me as correct.
El Castor
2021-09-17 16:54:33 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 09:16:42 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 14:39:57 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:25:59 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Are you
arguing we should have stayed and our weakness in leaving is what should
cause Taiwan concern?
I am arguing that our withdrawal should have been respectful of our
values and the well being of those we left behind. Biden's
disorganized escape showed no regard for the plight of those friends
and helpers who we left to be tortured and killed by the Taliban. Of
course the people of Taiwan have good reason to worry that they might
well receive the same treatment from a United States they also once
trusted.
If we had only had a "respectful" withdrawal (one that still left the
Taliban in charge to wreck holy hell on its citizens, but at least got
the tiny minority out who worked for us out before the devil arrived),
then the Taiwanese would be breathing easier? I don't think so.
A 'tiny" minority? 50,000?
Yes. 50,000 is just over 0.1% of the total population of just under 40
million.
Hmmm. That strange partisan odor is flavoring the air again.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
"U.S. official: 'Majority' of Afghan allies who applied for special
visas left behind in Afghanistan"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/small-fraction-america-s-afghan-allies-made-it-out-afghanistan-n1278141
"In May, roughly 20,000 Afghan allies were in the pipeline for a
special immigrant visa, according to NBC News. When family members are
included, the pool of Afghans in the SIV program was at least 70,000,
according to refugee advocacy groups."
https://www.businessinsider.com/state-department-afghanistan-special-immigrant-visa-applicants-left-allies-interpreters-2021-9
Biden's Afghanistan departure was a hasty ill planned mess -- not
something that would instill great confidence in Taiwan.
Why would the Taiwanese care when a well-planned withdrawal would still
leave 99.9% of the people at risk? Any Afghanistan withdrawal (well
planned or a mess) should scare them (or not) pretty much the same.
Post by El Castor
IN ANY EVENT, DO YOU BELIEVE THE UNITED STATES WOULD, OR SHOULD, GO TO
WAR WITH CHINA TO "DEFEND" TAIWAN?
If you believe war is appropriate, please explain the legal or
legislative basis of our war obligation.
We should neither go to all-out war or abandon Taiwan. What the correct
middle action is I do not know. But, our policy of strategic ambiguity
on the question strikes me as correct.
Strategic ambiguity has worked in the past, but under the Biden
administration it seems to be getting even more ambiguous. Joe says
one thing and his handlers another. I guess that qualifies as
ambiguous.

"A Biden administration official said on Thursday that U.S. policy on
Taiwan had not changed after President Joe Biden appeared to suggest
the United States would defend the island if it were attacked, a
deviation from a long-held U.S. position of “strategic ambiguity.”"
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/20/us-position-on-taiwan-unchanged-despite-biden-comment-official-says.html

In any event sleepy Joe can say what he likes. Hong Kong has fallen
and as China grows stronger, Taiwan will be next. The 20th Century was
the century of the United States. It looks like the 21st may be the
century of China.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-09-17 23:48:01 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 09:16:42 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 14:39:57 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:25:59 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Are you
arguing we should have stayed and our weakness in leaving is what should
cause Taiwan concern?
I am arguing that our withdrawal should have been respectful of our
values and the well being of those we left behind. Biden's
disorganized escape showed no regard for the plight of those friends
and helpers who we left to be tortured and killed by the Taliban. Of
course the people of Taiwan have good reason to worry that they might
well receive the same treatment from a United States they also once
trusted.
If we had only had a "respectful" withdrawal (one that still left the
Taliban in charge to wreck holy hell on its citizens, but at least got
the tiny minority out who worked for us out before the devil arrived),
then the Taiwanese would be breathing easier? I don't think so.
A 'tiny" minority? 50,000?
Yes. 50,000 is just over 0.1% of the total population of just under 40
million.
Hmmm. That strange partisan odor is flavoring the air again.
My math is not partisan.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
"U.S. official: 'Majority' of Afghan allies who applied for special
visas left behind in Afghanistan"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/small-fraction-america-s-afghan-allies-made-it-out-afghanistan-n1278141
"In May, roughly 20,000 Afghan allies were in the pipeline for a
special immigrant visa, according to NBC News. When family members are
included, the pool of Afghans in the SIV program was at least 70,000,
according to refugee advocacy groups."
https://www.businessinsider.com/state-department-afghanistan-special-immigrant-visa-applicants-left-allies-interpreters-2021-9
Biden's Afghanistan departure was a hasty ill planned mess -- not
something that would instill great confidence in Taiwan.
Why would the Taiwanese care when a well-planned withdrawal would still
leave 99.9% of the people at risk? Any Afghanistan withdrawal (well
planned or a mess) should scare them (or not) pretty much the same.
Post by El Castor
IN ANY EVENT, DO YOU BELIEVE THE UNITED STATES WOULD, OR SHOULD, GO TO
WAR WITH CHINA TO "DEFEND" TAIWAN?
If you believe war is appropriate, please explain the legal or
legislative basis of our war obligation.
We should neither go to all-out war or abandon Taiwan. What the correct
middle action is I do not know. But, our policy of strategic ambiguity
on the question strikes me as correct.
Strategic ambiguity has worked in the past, but under the Biden
administration it seems to be getting even more ambiguous. Joe says
one thing and his handlers another. I guess that qualifies as
ambiguous.
"A Biden administration official said on Thursday that U.S. policy on
Taiwan had not changed after President Joe Biden appeared to suggest
the United States would defend the island if it were attacked, a
deviation from a long-held U.S. position of “strategic ambiguity.”"
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/20/us-position-on-taiwan-unchanged-despite-biden-comment-official-says.html
In any event sleepy Joe can say what he likes. Hong Kong has fallen
and as China grows stronger, Taiwan will be next. The 20th Century was
the century of the United States. It looks like the 21st may be the
century of China.
El Castor
2021-09-18 05:39:16 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:48:01 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 09:16:42 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 14:39:57 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:25:59 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Are you
arguing we should have stayed and our weakness in leaving is what should
cause Taiwan concern?
I am arguing that our withdrawal should have been respectful of our
values and the well being of those we left behind. Biden's
disorganized escape showed no regard for the plight of those friends
and helpers who we left to be tortured and killed by the Taliban. Of
course the people of Taiwan have good reason to worry that they might
well receive the same treatment from a United States they also once
trusted.
If we had only had a "respectful" withdrawal (one that still left the
Taliban in charge to wreck holy hell on its citizens, but at least got
the tiny minority out who worked for us out before the devil arrived),
then the Taiwanese would be breathing easier? I don't think so.
A 'tiny" minority? 50,000?
Yes. 50,000 is just over 0.1% of the total population of just under 40
million.
Hmmm. That strange partisan odor is flavoring the air again.
My math is not partisan.
Yes, but your brain is.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
"U.S. official: 'Majority' of Afghan allies who applied for special
visas left behind in Afghanistan"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/small-fraction-america-s-afghan-allies-made-it-out-afghanistan-n1278141
"In May, roughly 20,000 Afghan allies were in the pipeline for a
special immigrant visa, according to NBC News. When family members are
included, the pool of Afghans in the SIV program was at least 70,000,
according to refugee advocacy groups."
https://www.businessinsider.com/state-department-afghanistan-special-immigrant-visa-applicants-left-allies-interpreters-2021-9
Biden's Afghanistan departure was a hasty ill planned mess -- not
something that would instill great confidence in Taiwan.
Why would the Taiwanese care when a well-planned withdrawal would still
leave 99.9% of the people at risk? Any Afghanistan withdrawal (well
planned or a mess) should scare them (or not) pretty much the same.
Post by El Castor
IN ANY EVENT, DO YOU BELIEVE THE UNITED STATES WOULD, OR SHOULD, GO TO
WAR WITH CHINA TO "DEFEND" TAIWAN?
If you believe war is appropriate, please explain the legal or
legislative basis of our war obligation.
We should neither go to all-out war or abandon Taiwan. What the correct
middle action is I do not know. But, our policy of strategic ambiguity
on the question strikes me as correct.
Strategic ambiguity has worked in the past, but under the Biden
administration it seems to be getting even more ambiguous. Joe says
one thing and his handlers another. I guess that qualifies as
ambiguous.
"A Biden administration official said on Thursday that U.S. policy on
Taiwan had not changed after President Joe Biden appeared to suggest
the United States would defend the island if it were attacked, a
deviation from a long-held U.S. position of “strategic ambiguity.”"
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/20/us-position-on-taiwan-unchanged-despite-biden-comment-official-says.html
In any event sleepy Joe can say what he likes. Hong Kong has fallen
and as China grows stronger, Taiwan will be next. The 20th Century was
the century of the United States. It looks like the 21st may be the
century of China.
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