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BTW -- Could you please list the specific human rights that "Trump is
attempting to eliminate"?
Columbia Law School has done a pretty good job of cataloging the human
Since then, there have been numerous examples of Trump's attempts to
prevent the rights of Americans to peacefully assemble, most notably the
illegal dispersal of demonstrators on Jun 1 in Lafayette Square so that
Trump could have a photo-op at St. John's Episcopal Church.
We could endlessly debate the rights, or lack thereof, of non-citizen
illegal immigrants, but you did not respond to my question regarding
your statement concerning the rights of African American US citizens.
You said: "I agree that we own African Americans the opportunity of a
good productive life. The question is, how do we accomplish that?
Perhaps we should begin by assuring them equal rights under the law."
I replied: "Equal rights under the law? How do African Americans not
have equal rights under the law? Please, some specifics."
OK, start with the fundamental rights defined in the Bill of Rights, the
rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
Life: We are in the middle of an epidemic of police shootings of Africa
Americans. Surely, you are aware of the number of recent examples of
use of excessive force that is the focus of innumerable demonstrations
across the country. The number of examples of egregious abuse by police
resulting in loss of life with no fear of prosecution has become a major
factor in political unrest.
Police are required to go where the crime is, and crime is rampant in
the Black community.
I grew up in Oakland and I can assure you that homes in predominantly
Black neighborhoods routinely have bars on the windows. Those bars are
required to defend against Black burglars. Bars on Orcas windows? Of
"According to the FBI’s uniform crime-reporting data for 2016, 90.1
percent of black victims of homicide were killed by other blacks"
Blacks comprise 13% of the population but 43% of the police killed are
killed by Blacks.
"There were 511 officers killed in felonious incidents and 540
offenders from 2004 to 2013, according to FBI reports. Among the total
offenders, 52 percent were white, and 43 percent were black."
Are we seeing a fear of persecution or a desire to be left alone to
deal drugs, engage in prostitution, steal, and assault? Clearly it is
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Liberty: It is well documented that black men do not receive the same
justice as white men and that is reflected in incarceration rates.
Hell, imprisonment without due process is rampant in jails across the
country due to de facto discrimination in how bail is imposed.
Pursuit of Happiness: African Americans continue to be paid less than
whites and hold jobs that are the first to be lost in any economic
downturn. Parents of black teenagers have "that talk" with their sons
in order to prevent harassment and worse by police. "Driving while
black" is well understood as an example of how black me are denied the
same freedoms that are taken for granted by whites.
If Blacks wish to live in peaceful neighborhoods and avoid law
enforcement and the criminal justice system they should obey the law
and not engage in criminal activity. US Asians have been the subject
of rampant discrimination. The Chinese Exclusion Act. Internment of
120,000 Japanese during WWII -- 62% of whom were US citizens. And yet
today 35.4% of undergraduate students in UC Bekeley are Asian, and
3.7% Black. The Stanford faculty is 18% Asian and 2% Black.
Discrimination, or something else?
What separates Asian success from Black poverty and crime? IQ -- You
know it, but you won't accept it. What is the answer or solution? I
don't know, but I do know that pretending that discrimination is the
reason for Black failure in a modern technological society and economy
is a way of avoiding the truth.
There is obviously a problem with crime in the US. The question here is
whether we have been successfully reducing crime, how do we measure that
success, and why is the crime rate higher in the black population.
There are roughly 800,000 law enforcement officers in the US and of that
number, only 48 officers died as a result of felonious acts as reported
by the FBI for 2019.
That strikes me as an amazingly low death rate, tragic of course, but
there are many professions that are much more dangerous. I suspect that
the "fear of death" excuse used to justify excessive force is probably
A major problem is in the reporting of the use of excessive force. It
is to be expected that there is a natural conflict of interest in the
reporting. To this end, there are organizations that attempt to
independently compile data. The Washington Post Fatal Force project,
started in 2015, is the best known attempt to document the number of
people who have been shot and killed by police and they conclude that
1,016 people have been shot and killed by police in the past year.
Unfortunately this data does not include killings that did not involve
the use of a firearm, so there are many killings that go uncounted.
What are the most dangerous places? In the analysis that I did in 2007
and updated in 2018, violent crime as reported by the FBI (2015) was
highest in conservative states, most notably in the SE with the
exceptions of New Mexico, Nevada, Alaska and Tennessee, all of which
have rates over 600 per 100,000. Where is the murder capital of the US?
That would be Louisiana with a murder rate of over 10 per 100,000.
Checking the latest figures, Louisiana continues to have the highest
murder rate at 14.4 per 100,000. Alabama and Mississippi follow closely
behind at 12.9 and 12.7 respectively.
There is a long and bitter controversy over "law and order" vs. "protect
and serve" as appropriate roles for police. What we have seen over a
long history is that oppressive behavior by police is resented by the
populace and can result in opposition, often tragically violent, against
that oppression. Politicians are quick to use fear as a tactic to
characterize the oppressed as dangerous and to justify increased force
as a political ploy to win support. This is exactly what is going on
Frankly, I think that it is time to tone down the testosterone and to
find ways to cool the rhetoric. Unfortunately, in this election year,
I'm afraid that we are going to see things get worse before cooler heads