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If anyone enjoys the various periods of history -- here is a
site with an index to a lot of interesting things.
Thanks, Gary. I filed that away for future use. I do like some types
of history, but not all types.
I'm the same way. It would bore me to read the continuing
history of man from about 2,000 BC to present. Or even
shorter periods. Like Medieval Europe. But there are
"events" over the past 4,000 years that I find very
I've wondered why I've been drawn to it since I was a
teenager. Maybe ... it was because I was raised in a
family of mostly religious people. But ... I never was a
"believer", myself. So maybe my love of history was an
attempt to find an alternative to the religious stories I
For instance -- the two most accepted theories as to how man
came on this Earth are the Biblical one and Darwin's. I've
always doubted both.
Have humans been interested in the subject of "where they
came from" for very long ? I would suggest that is the
reason religion was accepted by ancient man. It's purpose
was to tell us -- where we came from -- and where we are
Oh, well ! History can develop into an interesting subject
-- with possible answers :-)
We have a national park of sorts near here -- the Rosie the Riveter
exhibit on the waterfront in Richmond California. When the war began,
Henry J. Kaiser put together a shipyard almost overnight, and began
using automobile assembly techniques to build Liberty Ships. He
cranked out those ships at a truly amazing pace. The workers were
young women and men to old to serve in the military. A lot were Black,
having come out here from the South. They have lots of pictures and
artifacts, and some short documentary movies. The star is a 97 year
old park ranger, a Black woman, who gives lectures of her first hand
experience. A problem (from my perspective) is that she was for most
of her life an employee of various Democrat politicians, until she
became a park ranger. Her lecture boiled down to an unending rant
against a "Greatest Generation" which she said never existed,
outrageous mistreatment of women by the men they worked with, and
endless rants about racism and sexism -- over and over again -- and
again --- and again. I would have walked out, but I was the designated
driver, so I sat through it.
Anyhow, that was a reminder that eye witness accounts of history may
depend on the eyes witnessing it.
Or perhaps by those who experienced it? It was a different time and
there is no question but that women and blacks were subjected to
discrimination on the job, even sexual abuse by supervisors.
There are an abundance of publications on the topic.
And there is also an interesting and happy story that could be told --
and was not.
Those black women just didn't know their place!
This woman knew her place altogether too well. Rosie the Riveter and
men like my father who flew 15,000 hours during the war, until he
literally dropped -- they were truly the greatest generation. To hear
this woman explain that the story of the "greatest generation" was an
undeserving myth, was strange considering that we were in a national
monument devoted to Rosie the Riveter, and the men and women who
literally assembled and launched a Liberty Ship in 24 hours. BTW, the
room was not well lit, but I wouldn't have known she was Black if she
hadn't told us over and over again.
Was there actually a woman named 'Rosie' who did riveting during the war? I guess there were thousands of women who did men's jobs while they went to war. Maybe there was one named "Rosa the riveter" who was a Mexican?
Am interesting stat -- "More than 310,000 women worked in the U.S.
aircraft industry in 1943, making up 65 percent of the industrys
total workforce (compared to just 1 percent in the pre-war years). The
munitions industry also heavily recruited women workers, as
illustrated by the U.S. governments Rosie the Riveter propaganda
Rosie was a recruiting image on a Westinghouse poster, but may have
been a real woman.
"Who Was Rosie the Riveter?
The true identity of Rosie the Riveter has been the subject of
considerable debate. For years, the inspiration for the woman in the
Westinghouse poster was believed to be Geraldine Hoff Doyle of
Michigan, who worked in a Navy machine shop during World War II.
Other sources claim that Rosie was actually Rose Will Monroe, who
worked as a riveter at the Willow Run Bomber Plant near Detroit.
Monroe also was featured in a promotional film for war bonds.
And Rosalind P. Walter from Long Island, New York, is known to be the
Rosie from the popular song by Evans and Loeb. Walter was, in fact, a
riveter on Corsair fighter planes."
My father had a pilots license, and enlisted after Pearl Harbor. At 35
he was too old for combat, so they assigned him to the Army Air
Transport command. He mainly flew planes, and towed gliders, from West
Coast aircraft factories to the East Coast and out to the Pacific.
Women pilots, called Wasps, were recruited for the same job. As was
common among WWII pilots, he had a thing called a short snorter -- a
roll of currency taped together, starting with a dollar bill, and the
rest foreign. This got autographed by other pilots. Several of the
signers were Wasps. After he died, I donated it to a museum.