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islander
2020-07-27 15:53:06 UTC
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There is an interesting speculative piece in this morning's The
Globalist which I'm mentioning for your entertainment:

The Real October Surprise: Trump to Drop Out

Mike Pence to run in Trump’s place, following extensive pardon deal
granted Trump by Pence and arranged by Bill Barr.
By Stephen D. Wrage, July 26, 2020
https://www.theglobalist.com/united-states-donald-trump-mike-pence-pardon-resignation-joe-biden-bill-barr-2020-us-presidential-elections/

I'm not holding my breath, but Wrage makes some interesting points to
support his speculation.

1. Trump is too emotionally frail to ride out a November drubbing.

2. Trump is a confidence man — and con men know when a con has run its
course.

3. Trump has become boring and embarrassing.

4. The White House escapade is hurting Trump’s brand.

Frankly, I think that Mike Pence would be even worse than Trump, but in
different ways.

Stephen Wrage is an academic and commentator on international affairs,
specializing in ethics.
El Castor
2020-07-27 19:21:30 UTC
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Post by islander
There is an interesting speculative piece in this morning's The
The Real October Surprise: Trump to Drop Out
Mike Pence to run in Trump’s place, following extensive pardon deal
granted Trump by Pence and arranged by Bill Barr.
By Stephen D. Wrage, July 26, 2020
https://www.theglobalist.com/united-states-donald-trump-mike-pence-pardon-resignation-joe-biden-bill-barr-2020-us-presidential-elections/
I'm not holding my breath, but Wrage makes some interesting points to
support his speculation.
1. Trump is too emotionally frail to ride out a November drubbing.
2. Trump is a confidence man — and con men know when a con has run its
course.
3. Trump has become boring and embarrassing.
4. The White House escapade is hurting Trump’s brand.
Frankly, I think that Mike Pence would be even worse than Trump, but in
different ways.
Stephen Wrage is an academic and commentator on international affairs,
specializing in ethics.
But, but, I thought Trump was going to lose, call in the troops and
proclaim himself Ayatollah for life! Oh, I am so confused! )-8

On a brighter note, all the rioting, looting, fires, and murder in
Portland and Seattle have got to be driving up property values on
Orcas -- they certainly are around here. Parking a car overnite on the
street in San Francisco is a no no. If they don't steal that package
on the back seat they just grab the catalytic converter, or maybe the
battery. A friend of ours who lives in a co-op out on the avenues has
given up on seeing her mailbox pried open, and is having a mail slot
installed in her garage door.
islander
2020-07-28 00:02:48 UTC
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Post by islander
There is an interesting speculative piece in this morning's The
The Real October Surprise: Trump to Drop Out
Mike Pence to run in Trump’s place, following extensive pardon deal
granted Trump by Pence and arranged by Bill Barr.
By Stephen D. Wrage, July 26, 2020
https://www.theglobalist.com/united-states-donald-trump-mike-pence-pardon-resignation-joe-biden-bill-barr-2020-us-presidential-elections/
I'm not holding my breath, but Wrage makes some interesting points to
support his speculation.
1. Trump is too emotionally frail to ride out a November drubbing.
2. Trump is a confidence man — and con men know when a con has run its
course.
3. Trump has become boring and embarrassing.
4. The White House escapade is hurting Trump’s brand.
Frankly, I think that Mike Pence would be even worse than Trump, but in
different ways.
Stephen Wrage is an academic and commentator on international affairs,
specializing in ethics.
But, but, I thought Trump was going to lose, call in the troops and
proclaim himself Ayatollah for life! Oh, I am so confused! )-8
On a brighter note, all the rioting, looting, fires, and murder in
Portland and Seattle have got to be driving up property values on
Orcas -- they certainly are around here. Parking a car overnite on the
street in San Francisco is a no no. If they don't steal that package
on the back seat they just grab the catalytic converter, or maybe the
battery. A friend of ours who lives in a co-op out on the avenues has
given up on seeing her mailbox pried open, and is having a mail slot
installed in her garage door.
In the '74 fuel crisis, people got really strange. I was living in
suburban Maryland and fuel thieves were punching holes in the bottom of
auto fuel tanks to steal gasoline. Really bad news for the auto owner!
There was also a gang using a chain saw to cut through the wall next to
the door and they would clean out valuables before police arrived.

Crime here is pretty minimal. The only thing that I have had stolen was
a pneumatic finish nailer that I had foolishly left in the open back of
my truck. We do have a drug problem however. Mostly meth. Sad!

Frankly, I'm not looking forward to moving to the mainland, postponed
until at least next spring now. Maybe we will have a vaccine by then,
but I'm not holding my breath. Crime rates are higher anywhere we have
been looking.

Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
b***@gmail.com
2020-07-28 02:54:22 UTC
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I thought the fuel crises was in 1979? I remember long lines to get gas at gas stations. They gave us time off from work to go and get gas. The lines at the local station formed on the wrong side of the street so everybody was parked the wrong direction. One night I decided to camp out in my van parked the wrong way next to the station so I would be first in line when station opened. It didn't work and the police woke me up and gave me a parking ticket. They ordered me to move the van and I argued with him. He gave me 30 seconds to move my van and I took too long arguing with him. So he put me in handcuffs and I spent the night in jail.
islander
2020-07-28 15:00:33 UTC
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I thought the fuel crises was in 1979? I remember long lines to get gas at gas stations. They gave us time off from work to go and get gas. The lines at the local station formed on the wrong side of the street so everybody was parked the wrong direction. One night I decided to camp out in my van parked the wrong way next to the station so I would be first in line when station opened. It didn't work and the police woke me up and gave me a parking ticket. They ordered me to move the van and I argued with him. He gave me 30 seconds to move my van and I took too long arguing with him. So he put me in handcuffs and I spent the night in jail.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1969-1976/oil-embargo
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-28 15:04:56 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
I thought the fuel crises was in 1979? I remember long lines to get
gas at gas stations. They gave us time off from work to go and get
gas. The lines at the local station formed on the wrong side of the
street so everybody was parked the wrong direction. One night I
decided to camp out in my van parked the wrong way next to the station
so I would be first in line when station opened. It didn't work and
the police woke me up and gave me a parking ticket. They ordered me to
move the van and I argued with him. He gave me 30 seconds to move my
van and I took too long arguing with him. So he put me in handcuffs
and I spent the night in jail.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1969-1976/oil-embargo
Correct, but Bill is also correct about the 1979 crisis. During the
summer of 1979, I worked as a cashier at 7-11. We were the only gas
station open town. The lines stretched for miles. We raked in thousands
and thousands of dollars.
b***@gmail.com
2020-07-28 18:42:37 UTC
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The 1979 oil crisis or oil shock occurred in the world due to decreased oil output in the wake of the Iranian Revolution. Despite the fact that global oil supply decreased by only ~4%, widespread panic resulted, driving the price far higher. Wikipedia
Period: 1979 – 1980
El Castor
2020-07-28 05:58:56 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Post by islander
There is an interesting speculative piece in this morning's The
The Real October Surprise: Trump to Drop Out
Mike Pence to run in Trump’s place, following extensive pardon deal
granted Trump by Pence and arranged by Bill Barr.
By Stephen D. Wrage, July 26, 2020
https://www.theglobalist.com/united-states-donald-trump-mike-pence-pardon-resignation-joe-biden-bill-barr-2020-us-presidential-elections/
I'm not holding my breath, but Wrage makes some interesting points to
support his speculation.
1. Trump is too emotionally frail to ride out a November drubbing.
2. Trump is a confidence man — and con men know when a con has run its
course.
3. Trump has become boring and embarrassing.
4. The White House escapade is hurting Trump’s brand.
Frankly, I think that Mike Pence would be even worse than Trump, but in
different ways.
Stephen Wrage is an academic and commentator on international affairs,
specializing in ethics.
But, but, I thought Trump was going to lose, call in the troops and
proclaim himself Ayatollah for life! Oh, I am so confused! )-8
On a brighter note, all the rioting, looting, fires, and murder in
Portland and Seattle have got to be driving up property values on
Orcas -- they certainly are around here. Parking a car overnite on the
street in San Francisco is a no no. If they don't steal that package
on the back seat they just grab the catalytic converter, or maybe the
battery. A friend of ours who lives in a co-op out on the avenues has
given up on seeing her mailbox pried open, and is having a mail slot
installed in her garage door.
In the '74 fuel crisis, people got really strange. I was living in
suburban Maryland and fuel thieves were punching holes in the bottom of
auto fuel tanks to steal gasoline. Really bad news for the auto owner!
There was also a gang using a chain saw to cut through the wall next to
the door and they would clean out valuables before police arrived.
Crime here is pretty minimal. The only thing that I have had stolen was
a pneumatic finish nailer that I had foolishly left in the open back of
my truck. We do have a drug problem however. Mostly meth. Sad!
Frankly, I'm not looking forward to moving to the mainland, postponed
until at least next spring now. Maybe we will have a vaccine by then,
but I'm not holding my breath. Crime rates are higher anywhere we have
been looking.
I met someone from Oak Harbor who spoke highly of it. Not exactly the
big city, but closer to civilization and medical care than Orcas, and
Area Vibes rates the crime A+.

A lot of Californians are headed for Boise. My daughter has been
renting in Boise and has decided to sell her house in Santa Rosa and
make the move permanent.
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-28 15:02:53 UTC
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{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
El Castor
2020-07-28 19:52:45 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.

Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
protect and maintain federal buildings:

"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315

And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.


The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
islander
2020-07-28 23:47:57 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
Were the Actions of Federal Agents in Portland Legal?

"The Department of Homeland Security can point to federal statutes
protecting property to justify the arrests of protesters in Portland,
Ore., but whether they stretched the law would be up to a judge."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/us/politics/federal-agents-portland-arrests.html

It is no surprise that the law hastily pulled together in the wake of
9/11 has some problems. That Trump has used it to create chaos is
unforgivable. With Biden in the White House and a Democratic Congress
this can be fixed and should have priority. It is much too dangerous in
what is supposed to be a democracy.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-29 01:51:33 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even though the law
permits it. What Biden said about it today:

“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they should be
found, arrested and tried.”

Bingo on all points.
El Castor
2020-07-29 05:49:52 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:51:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even though the law
“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they should be
found, arrested and tried.”
Bingo on all points.
The defense of Portland's federal courthouse was entirely legal and
appropriate and DID NOT cause the attacks on the building, but was in
response to the attacks. In 2017 UC Berkeley, ten miles from here as
the crow flies, experienced the very same kind of window breaking
Molotov cocktail riot. The rioters excuse in that case was the
University's agreement to allow a conservative, Milo Yiannopoulos, to
speak. Can't blame that on Trump.

You people are defending the conduct of murderous animals, and in
doing so are no better than the savage beasts you defend.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-29 15:15:44 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:51:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even though the law
“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they should be
found, arrested and tried.”
Bingo on all points.
The defense of Portland's federal courthouse was entirely legal and
appropriate and DID NOT cause the attacks on the building, but was in
response to the attacks.
I think they exacerbated the situation.
Post by El Castor
In 2017 UC Berkeley, ten miles from here as
the crow flies, experienced the very same kind of window breaking
Molotov cocktail riot. The rioters excuse in that case was the
University's agreement to allow a conservative, Milo Yiannopoulos, to
speak. Can't blame that on Trump.
http://youtu.be/PwFzOW2tZf0
You people are defending the conduct of murderous animals, and in
doing so are no better than the savage beasts you defend.
What part of "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable. We should never let what’s done in a march for equal rights
overcome what the reason for the march is. And that’s what these folks
are doing. And they should be found, arrested and tried.” did you not
understand?
El Castor
2020-07-29 19:02:03 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:15:44 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:51:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even though the law
“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they should be
found, arrested and tried.”
Bingo on all points.
The defense of Portland's federal courthouse was entirely legal and
appropriate and DID NOT cause the attacks on the building, but was in
response to the attacks.
I think they exacerbated the situation.
Post by El Castor
In 2017 UC Berkeley, ten miles from here as
the crow flies, experienced the very same kind of window breaking
Molotov cocktail riot. The rioters excuse in that case was the
University's agreement to allow a conservative, Milo Yiannopoulos, to
speak. Can't blame that on Trump.
http://youtu.be/PwFzOW2tZf0
You people are defending the conduct of murderous animals, and in
doing so are no better than the savage beasts you defend.
What part of "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable. We should never let what’s done in a march for equal rights
overcome what the reason for the march is. And that’s what these folks
are doing. And they should be found, arrested and tried.” did you not
understand?
I understand and completely agree.

If a march is billed as a confirmation of civil rights, but is really
for the purpose of looting, destruction, and anarchy, the destructive
behavior cannot be justified by the cover story designed to conceal
the true nature of the march. I would add a personal belief that
ANTIFA and the BLM movement, the founders and spiritual organizers of
these destructive demonstrations, are at their roots, Marxist. Here is
a video interview with Patrisse Cullors, one of the BLM founders in
which she describes herself and another founder as trained organizers
and trained Marxists.

If you take the time to examine the origin of Antifa, which is an
important participant and organizer in the Portland rioting, I believe
you would find similar Marxist roots.

The promise of Marxism has great appeal to some segments of society,
and that is, I believe, what is largely behind much of the chaos in
Covid America.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-29 19:19:17 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:15:44 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:51:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even though the law
“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they should be
found, arrested and tried.”
Bingo on all points.
The defense of Portland's federal courthouse was entirely legal and
appropriate and DID NOT cause the attacks on the building, but was in
response to the attacks.
I think they exacerbated the situation.
Post by El Castor
In 2017 UC Berkeley, ten miles from here as
the crow flies, experienced the very same kind of window breaking
Molotov cocktail riot. The rioters excuse in that case was the
University's agreement to allow a conservative, Milo Yiannopoulos, to
speak. Can't blame that on Trump.
http://youtu.be/PwFzOW2tZf0
You people are defending the conduct of murderous animals, and in
doing so are no better than the savage beasts you defend.
What part of "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable. We should never let what’s done in a march for equal rights
overcome what the reason for the march is. And that’s what these folks
are doing. And they should be found, arrested and tried.” did you not
understand?
I understand and completely agree.
Great! We both agree with Biden.
Post by El Castor
If a march is billed as a confirmation of civil rights, but is really
for the purpose of looting, destruction, and anarchy, the destructive
behavior cannot be justified by the cover story designed to conceal
the true nature of the march. I would add a personal belief that
ANTIFA and the BLM movement, the founders and spiritual organizers of
these destructive demonstrations, are at their roots, Marxist. Here is
a video interview with Patrisse Cullors, one of the BLM founders in
which she describes herself and another founder as trained organizers
and trained Marxists.
http://youtu.be/Pyhy4IvkENg
If you take the time to examine the origin of Antifa, which is an
important participant and organizer in the Portland rioting, I believe
you would find similar Marxist roots.
The promise of Marxism has great appeal to some segments of society,
and that is, I believe, what is largely behind much of the chaos in
Covid America.
The protests are in support of the *idea* that black lives matter, not
the organization Black Lives Matter.
b***@gmail.com
2020-07-29 20:18:21 UTC
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I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich white families do today. There were even slave families who were married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave the house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise the kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no parents.
Johnny
2020-07-29 20:30:47 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich white
families do today. There were even slave families who were married
and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came socialism
where it was more profitable for the man to leave the house so the
woman could get more benefits and try to raise the kids on her own.
Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had jobs in
construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the illegal immigrants
have those jobs.

Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-29 20:35:29 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich white
families do today. There were even slave families who were married
and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came socialism
where it was more profitable for the man to leave the house so the
woman could get more benefits and try to raise the kids on her own.
Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had jobs in
construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the illegal immigrants
have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when blacks
were treated equally in the USA.
Johnny
2020-07-29 20:38:01 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who were
married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came
socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave the
house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise the
kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no
parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had
jobs in construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the illegal
immigrants have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when blacks
were treated equally in the USA.
They weren't treated equally, but they didn't have to worry about
getting job.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-29 21:45:34 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who were
married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came
socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave the
house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise the
kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no
parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had
jobs in construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the illegal
immigrants have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when blacks
were treated equally in the USA.
They weren't treated equally, but they didn't have to worry about
getting job.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when the
employment rate and wages for blacks were the equal of whites.
Johnny
2020-07-29 21:49:11 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:45:34 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who were
married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along
came socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave
the house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise
the kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and
had no parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had
jobs in construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the illegal
immigrants have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when
blacks were treated equally in the USA.
They weren't treated equally, but they didn't have to worry about
getting job.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when the
employment rate and wages for blacks were the equal of whites.
Who will forget when Mexicans were coming to California just to work in
the fields, and then go home?

Then when they started not going home and taking construction jobs, you
liberals said, they are just doing jobs American citizens won't do.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-29 22:52:30 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:45:34 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who were
married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along
came socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave
the house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise
the kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and
had no parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had
jobs in construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the illegal
immigrants have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when
blacks were treated equally in the USA.
They weren't treated equally, but they didn't have to worry about
getting job.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when the
employment rate and wages for blacks were the equal of whites.
Who will forget when Mexicans were coming to California just to work in
the fields, and then go home?
Then when they started not going home and taking construction jobs, you
liberals said, they are just doing jobs American citizens won't do.
Red herring alert.
Johnny
2020-07-29 22:56:47 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:52:30 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:45:34 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who
were married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then
along came socialism where it was more profitable for the man
to leave the house so the woman could get more benefits and
try to raise the kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an
orphan at 15 and had no parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had
jobs in construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the
illegal immigrants have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when
blacks were treated equally in the USA.
They weren't treated equally, but they didn't have to worry about
getting job.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when the
employment rate and wages for blacks were the equal of whites.
Who will forget when Mexicans were coming to California just to
work in the fields, and then go home?
Then when they started not going home and taking construction jobs,
you liberals said, they are just doing jobs American citizens won't
do.
Red herring alert.
That's exactly what you liberals said. Even George Bush said it.

And you still want the borders open to fake asylum seekers.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-29 23:00:54 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:52:30 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:45:34 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who
were married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then
along came socialism where it was more profitable for the man
to leave the house so the woman could get more benefits and
try to raise the kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an
orphan at 15 and had no parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had
jobs in construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the
illegal immigrants have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when
blacks were treated equally in the USA.
They weren't treated equally, but they didn't have to worry about
getting job.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when the
employment rate and wages for blacks were the equal of whites.
Who will forget when Mexicans were coming to California just to
work in the fields, and then go home?
Then when they started not going home and taking construction jobs,
you liberals said, they are just doing jobs American citizens won't
do.
Red herring alert.
That's exactly what you liberals said. Even George Bush said it.
And you still want the borders open to fake asylum seekers.
Undeterred red herring alert.
El Castor
2020-07-29 21:55:56 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who were
married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came
socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave the
house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise the
kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no
parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had
jobs in construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the illegal
immigrants have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when blacks
were treated equally in the USA.
They weren't treated equally, but they didn't have to worry about
getting job.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when the
employment rate and wages for blacks were the equal of whites.
How about the good old days of the Trump administration when Black
unemployment was at the lowest level since records were first kept in
1992 -- a combination of border control and corporate tax cuts. If
Biden is elected,open go the borders. The left welcomes an
increasingly large poor uneducated lower class -- fodder for the
Democrat vote mill.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-29 22:52:24 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:45:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who were
married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came
socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave the
house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise the
kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no
parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had
jobs in construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the illegal
immigrants have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when blacks
were treated equally in the USA.
They weren't treated equally, but they didn't have to worry about
getting job.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when the
employment rate and wages for blacks were the equal of whites.
How about the good old days of the Trump administration when Black
unemployment was at the lowest level since records were first kept in
1992
The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve under Trump
(except during COVID).

-- a combination of border control and corporate tax cuts. If
Post by El Castor
Biden is elected,open go the borders. The left welcomes an
increasingly large poor uneducated lower class -- fodder for the
Democrat vote mill.
El Castor
2020-07-30 05:05:35 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:45:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who were
married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came
socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave the
house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise the
kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no
parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had
jobs in construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the illegal
immigrants have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when blacks
were treated equally in the USA.
They weren't treated equally, but they didn't have to worry about
getting job.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when the
employment rate and wages for blacks were the equal of whites.
How about the good old days of the Trump administration when Black
unemployment was at the lowest level since records were first kept in
1992
The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve under Trump
(except during COVID).
-- a combination of border control and corporate tax cuts. If
Post by El Castor
Biden is elected,open go the borders. The left welcomes an
increasingly large poor uneducated lower class -- fodder for the
Democrat vote mill.
You live in California. You know very well that Hispanics, legal and
illegal, get jobs that would otherwise go to Black US citizens. Don't
bother denying it, we both know it's true.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-30 08:37:21 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:52:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:45:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who were
married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came
socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave the
house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise the
kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no
parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had
jobs in construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the illegal
immigrants have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when blacks
were treated equally in the USA.
They weren't treated equally, but they didn't have to worry about
getting job.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when the
employment rate and wages for blacks were the equal of whites.
How about the good old days of the Trump administration when Black
unemployment was at the lowest level since records were first kept in
1992
The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve under Trump
(except during COVID).
-- a combination of border control and corporate tax cuts. If
Post by El Castor
Biden is elected,open go the borders. The left welcomes an
increasingly large poor uneducated lower class -- fodder for the
Democrat vote mill.
You live in California. You know very well that Hispanics, legal and
illegal, get jobs that would otherwise go to Black US citizens. Don't
bother denying it, we both know it's true.
The same red herring as Johnny!
El Castor
2020-07-30 17:29:10 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 01:37:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:52:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:45:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who were
married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came
socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave the
house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise the
kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no
parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had
jobs in construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the illegal
immigrants have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when blacks
were treated equally in the USA.
They weren't treated equally, but they didn't have to worry about
getting job.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when the
employment rate and wages for blacks were the equal of whites.
How about the good old days of the Trump administration when Black
unemployment was at the lowest level since records were first kept in
1992
The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve under Trump
(except during COVID).
-- a combination of border control and corporate tax cuts. If
Post by El Castor
Biden is elected,open go the borders. The left welcomes an
increasingly large poor uneducated lower class -- fodder for the
Democrat vote mill.
You live in California. You know very well that Hispanics, legal and
illegal, get jobs that would otherwise go to Black US citizens. Don't
bother denying it, we both know it's true.
The same red herring as Johnny!
11 Million Hispanics taking the jobs of Black Americans is NOT a red
herring, it's a truth you refuse to accept because you know the only
solution is to secure the border.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-30 17:46:55 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 01:37:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:52:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:45:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who were
married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came
socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave the
house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise the
kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no
parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had
jobs in construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the illegal
immigrants have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when blacks
were treated equally in the USA.
They weren't treated equally, but they didn't have to worry about
getting job.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when the
employment rate and wages for blacks were the equal of whites.
How about the good old days of the Trump administration when Black
unemployment was at the lowest level since records were first kept in
1992
The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve under Trump
(except during COVID).
-- a combination of border control and corporate tax cuts. If
Post by El Castor
Biden is elected,open go the borders. The left welcomes an
increasingly large poor uneducated lower class -- fodder for the
Democrat vote mill.
You live in California. You know very well that Hispanics, legal and
illegal, get jobs that would otherwise go to Black US citizens. Don't
bother denying it, we both know it's true.
The same red herring as Johnny!
11 Million Hispanics taking the jobs of Black Americans is NOT a red
herring, it's a truth you refuse to accept because you know the only
solution is to secure the border.
The truth of a statement has no bearing on whether it is a red herring.
El Castor
2020-07-30 23:32:19 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 10:46:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 01:37:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:52:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:45:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who were
married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came
socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave the
house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise the
kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no
parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had
jobs in construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the illegal
immigrants have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when blacks
were treated equally in the USA.
They weren't treated equally, but they didn't have to worry about
getting job.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when the
employment rate and wages for blacks were the equal of whites.
How about the good old days of the Trump administration when Black
unemployment was at the lowest level since records were first kept in
1992
The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve under Trump
(except during COVID).
-- a combination of border control and corporate tax cuts. If
Post by El Castor
Biden is elected,open go the borders. The left welcomes an
increasingly large poor uneducated lower class -- fodder for the
Democrat vote mill.
You live in California. You know very well that Hispanics, legal and
illegal, get jobs that would otherwise go to Black US citizens. Don't
bother denying it, we both know it's true.
The same red herring as Johnny!
11 Million Hispanics taking the jobs of Black Americans is NOT a red
herring, it's a truth you refuse to accept because you know the only
solution is to secure the border.
The truth of a statement has no bearing on whether it is a red herring.
Do you agree with the truth of my statement?
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-30 23:42:17 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 10:46:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 01:37:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:52:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:45:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who were
married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came
socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave the
house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise the
kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no
parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had
jobs in construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the illegal
immigrants have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when blacks
were treated equally in the USA.
They weren't treated equally, but they didn't have to worry about
getting job.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when the
employment rate and wages for blacks were the equal of whites.
How about the good old days of the Trump administration when Black
unemployment was at the lowest level since records were first kept in
1992
The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve under Trump
(except during COVID).
-- a combination of border control and corporate tax cuts. If
Post by El Castor
Biden is elected,open go the borders. The left welcomes an
increasingly large poor uneducated lower class -- fodder for the
Democrat vote mill.
You live in California. You know very well that Hispanics, legal and
illegal, get jobs that would otherwise go to Black US citizens. Don't
bother denying it, we both know it's true.
The same red herring as Johnny!
11 Million Hispanics taking the jobs of Black Americans is NOT a red
herring, it's a truth you refuse to accept because you know the only
solution is to secure the border.
The truth of a statement has no bearing on whether it is a red herring.
Do you agree with the truth of my statement?
I don't argue red herrings.
El Castor
2020-07-31 06:23:50 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 10:46:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 01:37:21 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:52:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:45:34 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:35:29 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who were
married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came
socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave the
house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise the
kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no
parents.
It was a different country back then. There weren't millions of
illegal immigrants taking jobs from the black men. The men had
jobs in construction and manufacturing. Not any more, the illegal
immigrants have those jobs.
Blame it on the liberals that don't believe in borders.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when blacks
were treated equally in the USA.
They weren't treated equally, but they didn't have to worry about
getting job.
Who could forget the good old days of the 1940's and 50's when the
employment rate and wages for blacks were the equal of whites.
How about the good old days of the Trump administration when Black
unemployment was at the lowest level since records were first kept in
1992
The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve under Trump
(except during COVID).
-- a combination of border control and corporate tax cuts. If
Post by El Castor
Biden is elected,open go the borders. The left welcomes an
increasingly large poor uneducated lower class -- fodder for the
Democrat vote mill.
You live in California. You know very well that Hispanics, legal and
illegal, get jobs that would otherwise go to Black US citizens. Don't
bother denying it, we both know it's true.
The same red herring as Johnny!
11 Million Hispanics taking the jobs of Black Americans is NOT a red
herring, it's a truth you refuse to accept because you know the only
solution is to secure the border.
The truth of a statement has no bearing on whether it is a red herring.
Do you agree with the truth of my statement?
I don't argue red herrings.
OK, you said "The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve
under Trump". That is not true.

In December 2017, the last full month of Obama's presidency, White
unemployment was 3.7% and Black 6.7% -- 81% greater than White.
In August 2019, White unemployment was 3.4% and Black 5.4% - 59%
greater than White.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-31 15:14:08 UTC
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On 7/30/2020 11:23 PM, El Castor wrote:

{snip}
Post by El Castor
OK, you said "The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve
under Trump". That is not true.
In December 2017, the last full month of Obama's presidency, White
unemployment was 3.7% and Black 6.7% -- 81% greater than White.
In August 2019, White unemployment was 3.4% and Black 5.4% - 59%
greater than White.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
And by Jan, 2020 it was back up to 94% greater (6.0 versus 3.1).
El Castor
2020-07-31 19:08:51 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
OK, you said "The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve
under Trump". That is not true.
In December 2017, the last full month of Obama's presidency, White
unemployment was 3.7% and Black 6.7% -- 81% greater than White.
In August 2019, White unemployment was 3.4% and Black 5.4% - 59%
greater than White.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
And by Jan, 2020 it was back up to 94% greater (6.0 versus 3.1).
We are discussing the Trump economy, not the COVID economy.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-31 23:08:24 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:14:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
OK, you said "The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve
under Trump". That is not true.
In December 2017, the last full month of Obama's presidency, White
unemployment was 3.7% and Black 6.7% -- 81% greater than White.
In August 2019, White unemployment was 3.4% and Black 5.4% - 59%
greater than White.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
And by Jan, 2020 it was back up to 94% greater (6.0 versus 3.1).
We are discussing the Trump economy, not the COVID economy.
Jan, 2020 is pre-COVID.
El Castor
2020-08-01 07:07:15 UTC
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:08:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:14:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
OK, you said "The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve
under Trump". That is not true.
In December 2017, the last full month of Obama's presidency, White
unemployment was 3.7% and Black 6.7% -- 81% greater than White.
In August 2019, White unemployment was 3.4% and Black 5.4% - 59%
greater than White.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
And by Jan, 2020 it was back up to 94% greater (6.0 versus 3.1).
We are discussing the Trump economy, not the COVID economy.
Jan, 2020 is pre-COVID.
COVID-19 became a source of great concern in the US in January.

"On Jan. 30, the World Health Organization declared a public health
emergency of international concern over the coronavirus outbreak.
On Jan. 31, the Trump administration announced the United States would
temporarily ban the admission of people who were in China 14 days
prior to their attempted travel to the United States."
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200413/fact-check-was-trump-slow-to-halt-travel-from-china

The fact remains that Trump's policies boosted employment for all
races. Blacks benefited, along with everyone else, which is the way it
should be. Locally, I was delighted to see more Black faces in stores
and behind cash registers. Unfortunately, it didn't last long. If a
Biden administration would mean prosperity, more jobs for everyone,
and a restoration of the Black family, I would again be delighted --
but forgive me if I'm not holding my breath.
islander
2020-08-01 14:31:37 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:08:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:14:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
OK, you said "The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve
under Trump". That is not true.
In December 2017, the last full month of Obama's presidency, White
unemployment was 3.7% and Black 6.7% -- 81% greater than White.
In August 2019, White unemployment was 3.4% and Black 5.4% - 59%
greater than White.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
And by Jan, 2020 it was back up to 94% greater (6.0 versus 3.1).
We are discussing the Trump economy, not the COVID economy.
Jan, 2020 is pre-COVID.
COVID-19 became a source of great concern in the US in January.
"On Jan. 30, the World Health Organization declared a public health
emergency of international concern over the coronavirus outbreak.
On Jan. 31, the Trump administration announced the United States would
temporarily ban the admission of people who were in China 14 days
prior to their attempted travel to the United States."
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200413/fact-check-was-trump-slow-to-halt-travel-from-china
The fact remains that Trump's policies boosted employment for all
races. Blacks benefited, along with everyone else, which is the way it
should be. Locally, I was delighted to see more Black faces in stores
and behind cash registers. Unfortunately, it didn't last long. If a
Biden administration would mean prosperity, more jobs for everyone,
and a restoration of the Black family, I would again be delighted --
but forgive me if I'm not holding my breath.
Jeff, you are engaging in cherry picking your data by selecting the
minimum unemployment date for black workers. If you look at the data
over the past 10 years, unemployment has been declining for the entire
period with the improving economy. That is, until about Aug 2019 when
unemployment started an increasing trend for both black and Hispanic
workers, but not for white workers. The data appears to show that the
economy was no longer benefiting minorities well before COVID-19 was a
factor.
El Castor
2020-08-01 18:48:04 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:08:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:14:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
OK, you said "The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve
under Trump". That is not true.
In December 2017, the last full month of Obama's presidency, White
unemployment was 3.7% and Black 6.7% -- 81% greater than White.
In August 2019, White unemployment was 3.4% and Black 5.4% - 59%
greater than White.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
And by Jan, 2020 it was back up to 94% greater (6.0 versus 3.1).
We are discussing the Trump economy, not the COVID economy.
Jan, 2020 is pre-COVID.
COVID-19 became a source of great concern in the US in January.
"On Jan. 30, the World Health Organization declared a public health
emergency of international concern over the coronavirus outbreak.
On Jan. 31, the Trump administration announced the United States would
temporarily ban the admission of people who were in China 14 days
prior to their attempted travel to the United States."
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200413/fact-check-was-trump-slow-to-halt-travel-from-china
The fact remains that Trump's policies boosted employment for all
races. Blacks benefited, along with everyone else, which is the way it
should be. Locally, I was delighted to see more Black faces in stores
and behind cash registers. Unfortunately, it didn't last long. If a
Biden administration would mean prosperity, more jobs for everyone,
and a restoration of the Black family, I would again be delighted --
but forgive me if I'm not holding my breath.
Jeff, you are engaging in cherry picking your data by selecting the
minimum unemployment date for black workers. If you look at the data
over the past 10 years, unemployment has been declining for the entire
period with the improving economy. That is, until about Aug 2019 when
unemployment started an increasing trend for both black and Hispanic
workers, but not for white workers. The data appears to show that the
economy was no longer benefiting minorities well before COVID-19 was a
factor.
Look at the chart ...
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate

Until COVID arrived, unemployment for all races has been trending down
since those numbers began in 1973, but one thing is clear, Hispanic
has always been lower than Black. Three reasons (in my opinion) ...

1. Median Hispanic IQs are marginally higher than US Blacks, but by
only about 3 points.
2. US Hispanics are highly motivated self selected competitive
individuals who chose to come here to improve their lives.
3. The US welfare system has promoted Black single female parenthood,
destroyed the Black family, and caused 74% of Black children to be
raised fatherless in an environment of dependency and crime.

What to do?

* Hispanics compete with Blacks for jobs. Limit Hispanic immigration,
and restrict it to legally admitted individuals.
* Alter our welfare system to no longer discourage the formation of
family units.
* Retain current tax and import laws, or something with similar
motivations, that encourage the return of manufacturing to the United
States and promote domestic agriculture and energy production.
islander
2020-08-02 00:03:00 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Look at the chart ...
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
Until COVID arrived, unemployment for all races has been trending down
since those numbers began in 1973, but one thing is clear, Hispanic
has always been lower than Black.
Yes, and white unemployment rates have always been lower than both black
and Hispanic. Perhaps you should look further than immigration as a
cause of that.

"Writing in The Guardian, Jana Kasperkevic points to a compelling theory
advanced by Valerie Wilson at the Economic Policy Institute. Black
unemployment is high, Wilson suggests, not only because black
joblessness is high (for reasons well documented in Ta-Nehisi Coates's
recent Atlantic cover story), but because black people are more
resilient when it comes to sticking to their job search.

"The key to understanding Wilson's point is knowing that unemployment
doesn't measure the number of people who are, well, "unemployed" in a
conventional sense of the word—without a job. What the unemployment rate
measures is how many people are actively looking for work. If someone
gives up on his or her search, he or she is no longer counted as
unemployed. In May, Kasperkevic writes, "there were over seven million
Americans who want a job but were not counted as part of the labor force."

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/why-is-the-black-unemployment-rate-so-high/372667/

This is not the only cause of higher unemployment rates for blacks, but
it makes sense. And, it has nothing to do with immigration.

I've mentioned the labor force participation rate before as a better
measure of the health of the labor force. Wilson points to the change
in labor force participation rate to reinforce her point. Over the same
period of time, whites were leaving the work force more rapidly than
blacks. But then, you probably know that the Trump administration
hasn't improved that rate which has remained stuck at about 63%, down
from a high of 67% under Clinton. This indicates that Trump hasn't been
creating jobs - he has only been treading water.
Johnny
2020-08-02 00:14:33 UTC
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Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Look at the chart ...
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
Until COVID arrived, unemployment for all races has been trending
down since those numbers began in 1973, but one thing is clear,
Hispanic has always been lower than Black.
Yes, and white unemployment rates have always been lower than both
black and Hispanic. Perhaps you should look further than immigration
as a cause of that.
"Writing in The Guardian, Jana Kasperkevic points to a compelling
theory advanced by Valerie Wilson at the Economic Policy Institute.
Black unemployment is high, Wilson suggests, not only because black
joblessness is high (for reasons well documented in Ta-Nehisi
Coates's recent Atlantic cover story), but because black people are
more resilient when it comes to sticking to their job search.
"The key to understanding Wilson's point is knowing that unemployment
doesn't measure the number of people who are, well, "unemployed" in a
conventional sense of the word—without a job. What the unemployment
rate measures is how many people are actively looking for work. If
someone gives up on his or her search, he or she is no longer counted
as unemployed. In May, Kasperkevic writes, "there were over seven
million Americans who want a job but were not counted as part of the
labor force."
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/why-is-the-black-unemployment-rate-so-high/372667/
This is not the only cause of higher unemployment rates for blacks,
but it makes sense. And, it has nothing to do with immigration.
I've mentioned the labor force participation rate before as a better
measure of the health of the labor force. Wilson points to the
change in labor force participation rate to reinforce her point.
Over the same period of time, whites were leaving the work force more
rapidly than blacks. But then, you probably know that the Trump
administration hasn't improved that rate which has remained stuck at
about 63%, down from a high of 67% under Clinton. This indicates
that Trump hasn't been creating jobs - he has only been treading
water.
That is ridiculous. He created jobs for American citizens when he
stopped one hundred thousand fake asylum seekers from entering the US
from Mexico.
El Castor
2020-08-02 09:28:08 UTC
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Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Look at the chart ...
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
Until COVID arrived, unemployment for all races has been trending down
since those numbers began in 1973, but one thing is clear, Hispanic
has always been lower than Black.
Yes, and white unemployment rates have always been lower than both black
and Hispanic. Perhaps you should look further than immigration as a
cause of that.
Considerably higher IQ. Black and Hispanic median is in the 80s.
Post by islander
"Writing in The Guardian, Jana Kasperkevic points to a compelling theory
advanced by Valerie Wilson at the Economic Policy Institute. Black
unemployment is high, Wilson suggests, not only because black
joblessness is high (for reasons well documented in Ta-Nehisi Coates's
recent Atlantic cover story), but because black people are more
resilient when it comes to sticking to their job search.
"The key to understanding Wilson's point is knowing that unemployment
doesn't measure the number of people who are, well, "unemployed" in a
conventional sense of the word—without a job. What the unemployment rate
measures is how many people are actively looking for work. If someone
gives up on his or her search, he or she is no longer counted as
unemployed. In May, Kasperkevic writes, "there were over seven million
Americans who want a job but were not counted as part of the labor force."
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/why-is-the-black-unemployment-rate-so-high/372667/
This is not the only cause of higher unemployment rates for blacks, but
it makes sense. And, it has nothing to do with immigration.
It is ludicrous to believe that millions of highly motivated, and a
bit more intelligent Hispanics, are not costing Blacks jobs -- lots of
jobs.

"Are Hispanics Taking Jobs From Blacks In Los Angeles?"
http://www.socialpoliticalcommentary.com/hispanics-taking-jobs-blacks-los-angeles/

"African Americans are the Racial Group Most Opposed to Immigration"
https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/01/27/black-americans-racial-group-opposed-immigration-85-percent-want-less-immigration/

"How Illegal Immigration Hurts Black America"
https://www.theroot.com/how-illegal-immigration-hurts-black-america-1790878554
Post by islander
I've mentioned the labor force participation rate before as a better
measure of the health of the labor force. Wilson points to the change
in labor force participation rate to reinforce her point. Over the same
period of time, whites were leaving the work force more rapidly than
blacks. But then, you probably know that the Trump administration
hasn't improved that rate which has remained stuck at about 63%, down
from a high of 67% under Clinton. This indicates that Trump hasn't been
creating jobs - he has only been treading water.
Unemployment numbers are a measure of those who are unemployed AND
seeking a job. That number showed steady improvement for all races
under Trump -- until COVID-19 arrived. The reason for a decline in
labor force participation is an aging population.

"After reaching its historical peak at 67.1 percent in 2000, the labor
force participation rate for all workers (age 16 and over) is
projected to decline to 61.0 percent in 2026. The decline in the rate
is largely the result of the aging population, as more and more
workers move into higher age groups that tend to have lower
participation rates."
https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2017/labor-force-participation-rates-projected-to-decline-in-the-coming-decade.htm#:~:text=Labor%20force%20participation%20rates%2C%20by%20selected%20age%20group%2C,38.0%20%20%2040.0%20%20%2038.9%20
islander
2020-08-02 15:15:10 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Look at the chart ...
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
Until COVID arrived, unemployment for all races has been trending down
since those numbers began in 1973, but one thing is clear, Hispanic
has always been lower than Black.
Yes, and white unemployment rates have always been lower than both black
and Hispanic. Perhaps you should look further than immigration as a
cause of that.
Considerably higher IQ. Black and Hispanic median is in the 80s.
Post by islander
"Writing in The Guardian, Jana Kasperkevic points to a compelling theory
advanced by Valerie Wilson at the Economic Policy Institute. Black
unemployment is high, Wilson suggests, not only because black
joblessness is high (for reasons well documented in Ta-Nehisi Coates's
recent Atlantic cover story), but because black people are more
resilient when it comes to sticking to their job search.
"The key to understanding Wilson's point is knowing that unemployment
doesn't measure the number of people who are, well, "unemployed" in a
conventional sense of the word—without a job. What the unemployment rate
measures is how many people are actively looking for work. If someone
gives up on his or her search, he or she is no longer counted as
unemployed. In May, Kasperkevic writes, "there were over seven million
Americans who want a job but were not counted as part of the labor force."
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/why-is-the-black-unemployment-rate-so-high/372667/
This is not the only cause of higher unemployment rates for blacks, but
it makes sense. And, it has nothing to do with immigration.
It is ludicrous to believe that millions of highly motivated, and a
bit more intelligent Hispanics, are not costing Blacks jobs -- lots of
jobs.
"Are Hispanics Taking Jobs From Blacks In Los Angeles?"
http://www.socialpoliticalcommentary.com/hispanics-taking-jobs-blacks-los-angeles/
"African Americans are the Racial Group Most Opposed to Immigration"
https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/01/27/black-americans-racial-group-opposed-immigration-85-percent-want-less-immigration/
"How Illegal Immigration Hurts Black America"
https://www.theroot.com/how-illegal-immigration-hurts-black-america-1790878554
Post by islander
I've mentioned the labor force participation rate before as a better
measure of the health of the labor force. Wilson points to the change
in labor force participation rate to reinforce her point. Over the same
period of time, whites were leaving the work force more rapidly than
blacks. But then, you probably know that the Trump administration
hasn't improved that rate which has remained stuck at about 63%, down
from a high of 67% under Clinton. This indicates that Trump hasn't been
creating jobs - he has only been treading water.
Unemployment numbers are a measure of those who are unemployed AND
seeking a job. That number showed steady improvement for all races
under Trump -- until COVID-19 arrived. The reason for a decline in
labor force participation is an aging population.
"After reaching its historical peak at 67.1 percent in 2000, the labor
force participation rate for all workers (age 16 and over) is
projected to decline to 61.0 percent in 2026. The decline in the rate
is largely the result of the aging population, as more and more
workers move into higher age groups that tend to have lower
participation rates."
https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2017/labor-force-participation-rates-projected-to-decline-in-the-coming-decade.htm#:~:text=Labor%20force%20participation%20rates%2C%20by%20selected%20age%20group%2C,38.0%20%20%2040.0%20%20%2038.9%20
Yet the change in labor force participation rate for blacks is better
than that for whites as per the Atlantic article citing BLS statistics.
Are blacks aging at a different rate than whites?

The decline in labor force participation during the Great Recession was
a consequence of discouraged job seekers and whites have a better chance
of taking an early retirement than blacks and Hispanics.

Unfortunately this is going to get worse since blacks and Hispanics are
suffering disproportionately under COVAD-19. Is there a Republican plan
to kill off what is a Democratic advantage at the polls in cities?
Stephen Miller seems to think so!

"Now, with COVID-19 ravaging the country and disproportionately
afflicting people of color, Trump has found a way to attack the
democratic process that combines his Stephen Miller-inspired racist
agenda and his deranged voter-fraud obsession."
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-campaign-2020-voter-suppression-consent-decree-1028988/
El Castor
2020-08-02 18:24:24 UTC
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Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Look at the chart ...
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
Until COVID arrived, unemployment for all races has been trending down
since those numbers began in 1973, but one thing is clear, Hispanic
has always been lower than Black.
Yes, and white unemployment rates have always been lower than both black
and Hispanic. Perhaps you should look further than immigration as a
cause of that.
Considerably higher IQ. Black and Hispanic median is in the 80s.
Post by islander
"Writing in The Guardian, Jana Kasperkevic points to a compelling theory
advanced by Valerie Wilson at the Economic Policy Institute. Black
unemployment is high, Wilson suggests, not only because black
joblessness is high (for reasons well documented in Ta-Nehisi Coates's
recent Atlantic cover story), but because black people are more
resilient when it comes to sticking to their job search.
"The key to understanding Wilson's point is knowing that unemployment
doesn't measure the number of people who are, well, "unemployed" in a
conventional sense of the word—without a job. What the unemployment rate
measures is how many people are actively looking for work. If someone
gives up on his or her search, he or she is no longer counted as
unemployed. In May, Kasperkevic writes, "there were over seven million
Americans who want a job but were not counted as part of the labor force."
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/why-is-the-black-unemployment-rate-so-high/372667/
This is not the only cause of higher unemployment rates for blacks, but
it makes sense. And, it has nothing to do with immigration.
It is ludicrous to believe that millions of highly motivated, and a
bit more intelligent Hispanics, are not costing Blacks jobs -- lots of
jobs.
"Are Hispanics Taking Jobs From Blacks In Los Angeles?"
http://www.socialpoliticalcommentary.com/hispanics-taking-jobs-blacks-los-angeles/
"African Americans are the Racial Group Most Opposed to Immigration"
https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/01/27/black-americans-racial-group-opposed-immigration-85-percent-want-less-immigration/
"How Illegal Immigration Hurts Black America"
https://www.theroot.com/how-illegal-immigration-hurts-black-america-1790878554
Post by islander
I've mentioned the labor force participation rate before as a better
measure of the health of the labor force. Wilson points to the change
in labor force participation rate to reinforce her point. Over the same
period of time, whites were leaving the work force more rapidly than
blacks. But then, you probably know that the Trump administration
hasn't improved that rate which has remained stuck at about 63%, down
from a high of 67% under Clinton. This indicates that Trump hasn't been
creating jobs - he has only been treading water.
Unemployment numbers are a measure of those who are unemployed AND
seeking a job. That number showed steady improvement for all races
under Trump -- until COVID-19 arrived. The reason for a decline in
labor force participation is an aging population.
"After reaching its historical peak at 67.1 percent in 2000, the labor
force participation rate for all workers (age 16 and over) is
projected to decline to 61.0 percent in 2026. The decline in the rate
is largely the result of the aging population, as more and more
workers move into higher age groups that tend to have lower
participation rates."
https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2017/labor-force-participation-rates-projected-to-decline-in-the-coming-decade.htm#:~:text=Labor%20force%20participation%20rates%2C%20by%20selected%20age%20group%2C,38.0%20%20%2040.0%20%20%2038.9%20
Yet the change in labor force participation rate for blacks is better
than that for whites as per the Atlantic article citing BLS statistics.
Are blacks aging at a different rate than whites?
The decline in labor force participation during the Great Recession was
a consequence of discouraged job seekers and whites have a better chance
of taking an early retirement than blacks and Hispanics.
Unfortunately this is going to get worse since blacks and Hispanics are
suffering disproportionately under COVAD-19. Is there a Republican plan
to kill off what is a Democratic advantage at the polls in cities?
Stephen Miller seems to think so!
"Now, with COVID-19 ravaging the country and disproportionately
afflicting people of color, Trump has found a way to attack the
democratic process that combines his Stephen Miller-inspired racist
agenda and his deranged voter-fraud obsession."
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-campaign-2020-voter-suppression-consent-decree-1028988/
Everything in life need not be political, at least it is not for me.
You should try it sometime.
islander
2020-08-02 19:31:50 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Look at the chart ...
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
Until COVID arrived, unemployment for all races has been trending down
since those numbers began in 1973, but one thing is clear, Hispanic
has always been lower than Black.
Yes, and white unemployment rates have always been lower than both black
and Hispanic. Perhaps you should look further than immigration as a
cause of that.
Considerably higher IQ. Black and Hispanic median is in the 80s.
Post by islander
"Writing in The Guardian, Jana Kasperkevic points to a compelling theory
advanced by Valerie Wilson at the Economic Policy Institute. Black
unemployment is high, Wilson suggests, not only because black
joblessness is high (for reasons well documented in Ta-Nehisi Coates's
recent Atlantic cover story), but because black people are more
resilient when it comes to sticking to their job search.
"The key to understanding Wilson's point is knowing that unemployment
doesn't measure the number of people who are, well, "unemployed" in a
conventional sense of the word—without a job. What the unemployment rate
measures is how many people are actively looking for work. If someone
gives up on his or her search, he or she is no longer counted as
unemployed. In May, Kasperkevic writes, "there were over seven million
Americans who want a job but were not counted as part of the labor force."
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/why-is-the-black-unemployment-rate-so-high/372667/
This is not the only cause of higher unemployment rates for blacks, but
it makes sense. And, it has nothing to do with immigration.
It is ludicrous to believe that millions of highly motivated, and a
bit more intelligent Hispanics, are not costing Blacks jobs -- lots of
jobs.
"Are Hispanics Taking Jobs From Blacks In Los Angeles?"
http://www.socialpoliticalcommentary.com/hispanics-taking-jobs-blacks-los-angeles/
"African Americans are the Racial Group Most Opposed to Immigration"
https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/01/27/black-americans-racial-group-opposed-immigration-85-percent-want-less-immigration/
"How Illegal Immigration Hurts Black America"
https://www.theroot.com/how-illegal-immigration-hurts-black-america-1790878554
Post by islander
I've mentioned the labor force participation rate before as a better
measure of the health of the labor force. Wilson points to the change
in labor force participation rate to reinforce her point. Over the same
period of time, whites were leaving the work force more rapidly than
blacks. But then, you probably know that the Trump administration
hasn't improved that rate which has remained stuck at about 63%, down
from a high of 67% under Clinton. This indicates that Trump hasn't been
creating jobs - he has only been treading water.
Unemployment numbers are a measure of those who are unemployed AND
seeking a job. That number showed steady improvement for all races
under Trump -- until COVID-19 arrived. The reason for a decline in
labor force participation is an aging population.
"After reaching its historical peak at 67.1 percent in 2000, the labor
force participation rate for all workers (age 16 and over) is
projected to decline to 61.0 percent in 2026. The decline in the rate
is largely the result of the aging population, as more and more
workers move into higher age groups that tend to have lower
participation rates."
https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2017/labor-force-participation-rates-projected-to-decline-in-the-coming-decade.htm#:~:text=Labor%20force%20participation%20rates%2C%20by%20selected%20age%20group%2C,38.0%20%20%2040.0%20%20%2038.9%20
Yet the change in labor force participation rate for blacks is better
than that for whites as per the Atlantic article citing BLS statistics.
Are blacks aging at a different rate than whites?
The decline in labor force participation during the Great Recession was
a consequence of discouraged job seekers and whites have a better chance
of taking an early retirement than blacks and Hispanics.
Unfortunately this is going to get worse since blacks and Hispanics are
suffering disproportionately under COVAD-19. Is there a Republican plan
to kill off what is a Democratic advantage at the polls in cities?
Stephen Miller seems to think so!
"Now, with COVID-19 ravaging the country and disproportionately
afflicting people of color, Trump has found a way to attack the
democratic process that combines his Stephen Miller-inspired racist
agenda and his deranged voter-fraud obsession."
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-campaign-2020-voter-suppression-consent-decree-1028988/
Everything in life need not be political, at least it is not for me.
You should try it sometime.
Pot - Kettle!
b***@gmail.com
2020-08-02 19:53:24 UTC
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"Everything in life need not be political, at least it is not for me.
You should try it sometime."

That's why I like going to church where they don't mention politics. It's even hard to figure out how to give them money since they don't ask for it. Sometimes they discuss the issues but not who is responsible for it. There is no blame passed around.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-08-01 14:39:10 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:08:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:14:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
OK, you said "The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve
under Trump". That is not true.
In December 2017, the last full month of Obama's presidency, White
unemployment was 3.7% and Black 6.7% -- 81% greater than White.
In August 2019, White unemployment was 3.4% and Black 5.4% - 59%
greater than White.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
And by Jan, 2020 it was back up to 94% greater (6.0 versus 3.1).
We are discussing the Trump economy, not the COVID economy.
Jan, 2020 is pre-COVID.
COVID-19 became a source of great concern in the US in January.
Of course there was concern, but jobs were not lost because of it in
January.
Post by El Castor
"On Jan. 30, the World Health Organization declared a public health
emergency of international concern over the coronavirus outbreak.
On Jan. 31, the Trump administration announced the United States would
temporarily ban the admission of people who were in China 14 days
prior to their attempted travel to the United States."
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200413/fact-check-was-trump-slow-to-halt-travel-from-china
The fact remains that Trump's policies boosted employment for all
races. Blacks benefited, along with everyone else, which is the way it
should be. Locally, I was delighted to see more Black faces in stores
and behind cash registers. Unfortunately, it didn't last long. If a
Biden administration would mean prosperity, more jobs for everyone,
and a restoration of the Black family, I would again be delighted --
but forgive me if I'm not holding my breath.
Red herring alert.
El Castor
2020-08-01 18:53:37 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:08:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:14:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
OK, you said "The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve
under Trump". That is not true.
In December 2017, the last full month of Obama's presidency, White
unemployment was 3.7% and Black 6.7% -- 81% greater than White.
In August 2019, White unemployment was 3.4% and Black 5.4% - 59%
greater than White.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
And by Jan, 2020 it was back up to 94% greater (6.0 versus 3.1).
We are discussing the Trump economy, not the COVID economy.
Jan, 2020 is pre-COVID.
COVID-19 became a source of great concern in the US in January.
Of course there was concern, but jobs were not lost because of it in
January.
Post by El Castor
"On Jan. 30, the World Health Organization declared a public health
emergency of international concern over the coronavirus outbreak.
On Jan. 31, the Trump administration announced the United States would
temporarily ban the admission of people who were in China 14 days
prior to their attempted travel to the United States."
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200413/fact-check-was-trump-slow-to-halt-travel-from-china
The fact remains that Trump's policies boosted employment for all
races. Blacks benefited, along with everyone else, which is the way it
should be. Locally, I was delighted to see more Black faces in stores
and behind cash registers. Unfortunately, it didn't last long. If a
Biden administration would mean prosperity, more jobs for everyone,
and a restoration of the Black family, I would again be delighted --
but forgive me if I'm not holding my breath.
Red herring alert.
Hmmm. Let me guess -- any explanation of race based unemployment and
income numbers can only be traced back to racism, discrimination, and
bigotry. Anything else is a red herring not worthy of discussion.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-08-01 19:16:52 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:08:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:14:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
OK, you said "The ratio of black to white unemployment did not improve
under Trump". That is not true.
In December 2017, the last full month of Obama's presidency, White
unemployment was 3.7% and Black 6.7% -- 81% greater than White.
In August 2019, White unemployment was 3.4% and Black 5.4% - 59%
greater than White.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
And by Jan, 2020 it was back up to 94% greater (6.0 versus 3.1).
We are discussing the Trump economy, not the COVID economy.
Jan, 2020 is pre-COVID.
COVID-19 became a source of great concern in the US in January.
Of course there was concern, but jobs were not lost because of it in
January.
Post by El Castor
"On Jan. 30, the World Health Organization declared a public health
emergency of international concern over the coronavirus outbreak.
On Jan. 31, the Trump administration announced the United States would
temporarily ban the admission of people who were in China 14 days
prior to their attempted travel to the United States."
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200413/fact-check-was-trump-slow-to-halt-travel-from-china
The fact remains that Trump's policies boosted employment for all
races. Blacks benefited, along with everyone else, which is the way it
should be. Locally, I was delighted to see more Black faces in stores
and behind cash registers. Unfortunately, it didn't last long. If a
Biden administration would mean prosperity, more jobs for everyone,
and a restoration of the Black family, I would again be delighted --
but forgive me if I'm not holding my breath.
Red herring alert.
Hmmm. Let me guess -- any explanation of race based unemployment and
income numbers can only be traced back to racism, discrimination, and
bigotry. Anything else is a red herring not worthy of discussion.
No. Your comments about Trump's policies are a distraction from whether
blacks had it better in the good old 1940s and 1950s.
Johnny
2020-08-01 20:06:27 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 07:39:10 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:08:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:14:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
OK, you said "The ratio of black to white unemployment did
not improve under Trump". That is not true.
In December 2017, the last full month of Obama's presidency,
White unemployment was 3.7% and Black 6.7% -- 81% greater
than White. In August 2019, White unemployment was 3.4% and
Black 5.4% - 59% greater than White.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
And by Jan, 2020 it was back up to 94% greater (6.0 versus 3.1).
We are discussing the Trump economy, not the COVID economy.
Jan, 2020 is pre-COVID.
COVID-19 became a source of great concern in the US in January.
Of course there was concern, but jobs were not lost because of it
in January.
Post by El Castor
"On Jan. 30, the World Health Organization declared a public
health emergency of international concern over the coronavirus
outbreak. On Jan. 31, the Trump administration announced the
United States would temporarily ban the admission of people who
were in China 14 days prior to their attempted travel to the
United States."
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200413/fact-check-was-trump-slow-to-halt-travel-from-china
The fact remains that Trump's policies boosted employment for all
races. Blacks benefited, along with everyone else, which is the
way it should be. Locally, I was delighted to see more Black
faces in stores and behind cash registers. Unfortunately, it
didn't last long. If a Biden administration would mean
prosperity, more jobs for everyone, and a restoration of the
Black family, I would again be delighted -- but forgive me if I'm
not holding my breath.
Red herring alert.
Hmmm. Let me guess -- any explanation of race based unemployment and
income numbers can only be traced back to racism, discrimination,
and bigotry. Anything else is a red herring not worthy of
discussion.
No. Your comments about Trump's policies are a distraction from
whether blacks had it better in the good old 1940s and 1950s.
I say they had it better in the good old 1940s and 1950s. They had a
home a job and a family.

What's better today?
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-08-01 22:14:58 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 12:16:52 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 07:39:10 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:08:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:14:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
OK, you said "The ratio of black to white unemployment did
not improve under Trump". That is not true.
In December 2017, the last full month of Obama's presidency,
White unemployment was 3.7% and Black 6.7% -- 81% greater
than White. In August 2019, White unemployment was 3.4% and
Black 5.4% - 59% greater than White.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
And by Jan, 2020 it was back up to 94% greater (6.0 versus 3.1).
We are discussing the Trump economy, not the COVID economy.
Jan, 2020 is pre-COVID.
COVID-19 became a source of great concern in the US in January.
Of course there was concern, but jobs were not lost because of it
in January.
Post by El Castor
"On Jan. 30, the World Health Organization declared a public
health emergency of international concern over the coronavirus
outbreak. On Jan. 31, the Trump administration announced the
United States would temporarily ban the admission of people who
were in China 14 days prior to their attempted travel to the
United States."
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200413/fact-check-was-trump-slow-to-halt-travel-from-china
The fact remains that Trump's policies boosted employment for all
races. Blacks benefited, along with everyone else, which is the
way it should be. Locally, I was delighted to see more Black
faces in stores and behind cash registers. Unfortunately, it
didn't last long. If a Biden administration would mean
prosperity, more jobs for everyone, and a restoration of the
Black family, I would again be delighted -- but forgive me if I'm
not holding my breath.
Red herring alert.
Hmmm. Let me guess -- any explanation of race based unemployment and
income numbers can only be traced back to racism, discrimination,
and bigotry. Anything else is a red herring not worthy of
discussion.
No. Your comments about Trump's policies are a distraction from
whether blacks had it better in the good old 1940s and 1950s.
I say they had it better in the good old 1940s and 1950s. They had a
home a job and a family.
What's better today?
Jim Crow, not being able to vote and employment was not better.
Johnny
2020-08-01 22:33:25 UTC
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On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 15:14:58 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 12:16:52 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 07:39:10 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:08:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:14:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
OK, you said "The ratio of black to white unemployment did
not improve under Trump". That is not true.
In December 2017, the last full month of Obama's presidency,
White unemployment was 3.7% and Black 6.7% -- 81% greater
than White. In August 2019, White unemployment was 3.4% and
Black 5.4% - 59% greater than White.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
And by Jan, 2020 it was back up to 94% greater (6.0 versus 3.1).
We are discussing the Trump economy, not the COVID economy.
Jan, 2020 is pre-COVID.
COVID-19 became a source of great concern in the US in January.
Of course there was concern, but jobs were not lost because of it
in January.
Post by El Castor
"On Jan. 30, the World Health Organization declared a public
health emergency of international concern over the coronavirus
outbreak. On Jan. 31, the Trump administration announced the
United States would temporarily ban the admission of people who
were in China 14 days prior to their attempted travel to the
United States."
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200413/fact-check-was-trump-slow-to-halt-travel-from-china
The fact remains that Trump's policies boosted employment for
all races. Blacks benefited, along with everyone else, which is
the way it should be. Locally, I was delighted to see more Black
faces in stores and behind cash registers. Unfortunately, it
didn't last long. If a Biden administration would mean
prosperity, more jobs for everyone, and a restoration of the
Black family, I would again be delighted -- but forgive me if
I'm not holding my breath.
Red herring alert.
Hmmm. Let me guess -- any explanation of race based unemployment
and income numbers can only be traced back to racism,
discrimination, and bigotry. Anything else is a red herring not
worthy of discussion.
No. Your comments about Trump's policies are a distraction from
whether blacks had it better in the good old 1940s and 1950s.
I say they had it better in the good old 1940s and 1950s. They had
a home a job and a family.
What's better today?
Jim Crow, not being able to vote and employment was not better.
Every problem would have been worked out in time. The government tried
to force it on a population that wouldn't accept it that quickly, and
you can see what happened. White flight.

The same people that thought they were doing a wonderful thing, are
responsible for the situation we are facing today.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-08-02 03:20:43 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 15:14:58 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Johnny
On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 12:16:52 -0700
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 07:39:10 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:08:24 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:14:08 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
OK, you said "The ratio of black to white unemployment did
not improve under Trump". That is not true.
In December 2017, the last full month of Obama's presidency,
White unemployment was 3.7% and Black 6.7% -- 81% greater
than White. In August 2019, White unemployment was 3.4% and
Black 5.4% - 59% greater than White.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2621/black-unemployment-rate
And by Jan, 2020 it was back up to 94% greater (6.0 versus 3.1).
We are discussing the Trump economy, not the COVID economy.
Jan, 2020 is pre-COVID.
COVID-19 became a source of great concern in the US in January.
Of course there was concern, but jobs were not lost because of it
in January.
Post by El Castor
"On Jan. 30, the World Health Organization declared a public
health emergency of international concern over the coronavirus
outbreak. On Jan. 31, the Trump administration announced the
United States would temporarily ban the admission of people who
were in China 14 days prior to their attempted travel to the
United States."
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200413/fact-check-was-trump-slow-to-halt-travel-from-china
The fact remains that Trump's policies boosted employment for
all races. Blacks benefited, along with everyone else, which is
the way it should be. Locally, I was delighted to see more Black
faces in stores and behind cash registers. Unfortunately, it
didn't last long. If a Biden administration would mean
prosperity, more jobs for everyone, and a restoration of the
Black family, I would again be delighted -- but forgive me if
I'm not holding my breath.
Red herring alert.
Hmmm. Let me guess -- any explanation of race based unemployment
and income numbers can only be traced back to racism,
discrimination, and bigotry. Anything else is a red herring not
worthy of discussion.
No. Your comments about Trump's policies are a distraction from
whether blacks had it better in the good old 1940s and 1950s.
I say they had it better in the good old 1940s and 1950s. They had
a home a job and a family.
What's better today?
Jim Crow, not being able to vote and employment was not better.
Every problem would have been worked out in time. The government tried
to force it on a population that wouldn't accept it that quickly, and
you can see what happened. White flight.
More red herrings!
b***@gmail.com
2020-08-01 19:39:42 UTC
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Rosenbluth <***@now- show quoted text -"
Hmmm. Let me guess -- any explanation of race based unemployment and
income numbers can only be traced back to racism, discrimination, and
bigotry. Anything else is a red herring not worthy of discussion."

I remember a time when only asian workers were offered a job where I was working. Guess I was lucky to be a white guy with a job.
El Castor
2020-07-29 20:45:30 UTC
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I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich white families do today. There were even slave families who were married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave the house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise the kids on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no parents.
Black illegitimacy in 1940 was 14% -- today it approaches 75%. For
this we can thank the ill conceived policies of the Left -- policies
that subsidized illegitimacy.
Johnny
2020-07-29 20:52:17 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:45:30 -0700
Post by El Castor
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who were
married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came
socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave the
house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise the kids
on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no parents.
Black illegitimacy in 1940 was 14% -- today it approaches 75%. For
this we can thank the ill conceived policies of the Left -- policies
that subsidized illegitimacy.
That subsidizing accomplished nothing. The schools are still turning
out students that have a problem reading and writing.

How can this be? Every student is given a computer, and some cities
provide free Internet service to their homes.

The liberals can no longer blame it on shitty schools and worn out
books handed down from white schools.
El Castor
2020-07-29 22:03:25 UTC
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Post by Johnny
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:45:30 -0700
Post by El Castor
Post by b***@gmail.com
I heard on a radio show that back in the 1940's and 50's, black
families had a 2 parent household and raised their kids as rich
white families do today. There were even slave families who were
married and raised their kids in a nuclear family. Then along came
socialism where it was more profitable for the man to leave the
house so the woman could get more benefits and try to raise the kids
on her own. Sad story. But I was an orphan at 15 and had no parents.
Black illegitimacy in 1940 was 14% -- today it approaches 75%. For
this we can thank the ill conceived policies of the Left -- policies
that subsidized illegitimacy.
That subsidizing accomplished nothing. The schools are still turning
out students that have a problem reading and writing.
How can this be? Every student is given a computer, and some cities
provide free Internet service to their homes.
The liberals can no longer blame it on shitty schools and worn out
books handed down from white schools.
On the contrary -- subsidizing single back mothers accomplished a lot
-- it destroyed the Black family, left Black boys to be raised without
fathers, and gave us unprecedented Black crime and illegitimacy. Never
underestimate the power of the unintended consequences of well meaning
liberalism.
El Castor
2020-07-29 20:36:58 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:19:17 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:15:44 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:51:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even though the law
“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they should be
found, arrested and tried.”
Bingo on all points.
The defense of Portland's federal courthouse was entirely legal and
appropriate and DID NOT cause the attacks on the building, but was in
response to the attacks.
I think they exacerbated the situation.
Post by El Castor
In 2017 UC Berkeley, ten miles from here as
the crow flies, experienced the very same kind of window breaking
Molotov cocktail riot. The rioters excuse in that case was the
University's agreement to allow a conservative, Milo Yiannopoulos, to
speak. Can't blame that on Trump.
http://youtu.be/PwFzOW2tZf0
You people are defending the conduct of murderous animals, and in
doing so are no better than the savage beasts you defend.
What part of "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable. We should never let what’s done in a march for equal rights
overcome what the reason for the march is. And that’s what these folks
are doing. And they should be found, arrested and tried.” did you not
understand?
I understand and completely agree.
Great! We both agree with Biden.
I believe that what we are agreeing with is our own, apparently
different interpretation of those words.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
If a march is billed as a confirmation of civil rights, but is really
for the purpose of looting, destruction, and anarchy, the destructive
behavior cannot be justified by the cover story designed to conceal
the true nature of the march. I would add a personal belief that
ANTIFA and the BLM movement, the founders and spiritual organizers of
these destructive demonstrations, are at their roots, Marxist. Here is
a video interview with Patrisse Cullors, one of the BLM founders in
which she describes herself and another founder as trained organizers
and trained Marxists.
http://youtu.be/Pyhy4IvkENg
If you take the time to examine the origin of Antifa, which is an
important participant and organizer in the Portland rioting, I believe
you would find similar Marxist roots.
The promise of Marxism has great appeal to some segments of society,
and that is, I believe, what is largely behind much of the chaos in
Covid America.
The protests are in support of the *idea* that black lives matter, not
the organization Black Lives Matter.
Those riots, tearing down of statues, and attacks on police and
federal buildings are aimed at the destruction of the founding
principles of this country. BTW -- All lives matter, including those
of dead and blinded police officers. Ironically this left wing mayhem
will serve to strengthen the resolve of Trump supporters. I hate to
imagine a Biden government led by that senile old fool and his left
wing handlers.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-29 21:32:56 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:19:17 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:15:44 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:51:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even though the law
“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they should be
found, arrested and tried.”
Bingo on all points.
The defense of Portland's federal courthouse was entirely legal and
appropriate and DID NOT cause the attacks on the building, but was in
response to the attacks.
I think they exacerbated the situation.
Post by El Castor
In 2017 UC Berkeley, ten miles from here as
the crow flies, experienced the very same kind of window breaking
Molotov cocktail riot. The rioters excuse in that case was the
University's agreement to allow a conservative, Milo Yiannopoulos, to
speak. Can't blame that on Trump.
http://youtu.be/PwFzOW2tZf0
You people are defending the conduct of murderous animals, and in
doing so are no better than the savage beasts you defend.
What part of "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable. We should never let what’s done in a march for equal rights
overcome what the reason for the march is. And that’s what these folks
are doing. And they should be found, arrested and tried.” did you not
understand?
I understand and completely agree.
Great! We both agree with Biden.
I believe that what we are agreeing with is our own, apparently
different interpretation of those words.
I only see one way to interpret them.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
If a march is billed as a confirmation of civil rights, but is really
for the purpose of looting, destruction, and anarchy, the destructive
behavior cannot be justified by the cover story designed to conceal
the true nature of the march. I would add a personal belief that
ANTIFA and the BLM movement, the founders and spiritual organizers of
these destructive demonstrations, are at their roots, Marxist. Here is
a video interview with Patrisse Cullors, one of the BLM founders in
which she describes herself and another founder as trained organizers
and trained Marxists.
http://youtu.be/Pyhy4IvkENg
If you take the time to examine the origin of Antifa, which is an
important participant and organizer in the Portland rioting, I believe
you would find similar Marxist roots.
The promise of Marxism has great appeal to some segments of society,
and that is, I believe, what is largely behind much of the chaos in
Covid America.
The protests are in support of the *idea* that black lives matter, not
the organization Black Lives Matter.
Those riots, tearing down of statues, and attacks on police and
federal buildings are aimed at the destruction of the founding
principles of this country.
Those were the hijacking of the protests, not the protests themselves.
The idea that black lives matter is not concordant with riots, etc.
Post by El Castor
BTW -- All lives matter,
Touting the phrase "all lives matter" is wrong because it denies the
reality that all too often the only lives that don't matter are black lives.
Post by El Castor
including those
of dead and blinded police officers. Ironically this left wing mayhem
will serve to strengthen the resolve of Trump supporters. I hate to
imagine a Biden government led by that senile old fool and his left
wing handlers.
Given his words quoted above, Biden will not be hurt electorally.
El Castor
2020-07-29 22:09:40 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:19:17 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:15:44 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:51:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even though the law
“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they should be
found, arrested and tried.”
Bingo on all points.
The defense of Portland's federal courthouse was entirely legal and
appropriate and DID NOT cause the attacks on the building, but was in
response to the attacks.
I think they exacerbated the situation.
Post by El Castor
In 2017 UC Berkeley, ten miles from here as
the crow flies, experienced the very same kind of window breaking
Molotov cocktail riot. The rioters excuse in that case was the
University's agreement to allow a conservative, Milo Yiannopoulos, to
speak. Can't blame that on Trump.
http://youtu.be/PwFzOW2tZf0
You people are defending the conduct of murderous animals, and in
doing so are no better than the savage beasts you defend.
What part of "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable. We should never let what’s done in a march for equal rights
overcome what the reason for the march is. And that’s what these folks
are doing. And they should be found, arrested and tried.” did you not
understand?
I understand and completely agree.
Great! We both agree with Biden.
I believe that what we are agreeing with is our own, apparently
different interpretation of those words.
I only see one way to interpret them.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
If a march is billed as a confirmation of civil rights, but is really
for the purpose of looting, destruction, and anarchy, the destructive
behavior cannot be justified by the cover story designed to conceal
the true nature of the march. I would add a personal belief that
ANTIFA and the BLM movement, the founders and spiritual organizers of
these destructive demonstrations, are at their roots, Marxist. Here is
a video interview with Patrisse Cullors, one of the BLM founders in
which she describes herself and another founder as trained organizers
and trained Marxists.
http://youtu.be/Pyhy4IvkENg
If you take the time to examine the origin of Antifa, which is an
important participant and organizer in the Portland rioting, I believe
you would find similar Marxist roots.
The promise of Marxism has great appeal to some segments of society,
and that is, I believe, what is largely behind much of the chaos in
Covid America.
The protests are in support of the *idea* that black lives matter, not
the organization Black Lives Matter.
Those riots, tearing down of statues, and attacks on police and
federal buildings are aimed at the destruction of the founding
principles of this country.
Those were the hijacking of the protests, not the protests themselves.
The idea that black lives matter is not concordant with riots, etc.
Don't be so naive. Those "protests" proceeded exactly as intended.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
BTW -- All lives matter,
Touting the phrase "all lives matter" is wrong because it denies the
reality that all too often the only lives that don't matter are black lives.
Post by El Castor
including those
of dead and blinded police officers. Ironically this left wing mayhem
will serve to strengthen the resolve of Trump supporters. I hate to
imagine a Biden government led by that senile old fool and his left
wing handlers.
Given his words quoted above, Biden will not be hurt electorally.
I'm waiting for a debate or interview with more than pre-approved
questions, however I doubt Sleepy Joe's handlers will ever permit such
a thing.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-07-29 22:52:18 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:32:56 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:19:17 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:15:44 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:51:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even though the law
“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they should be
found, arrested and tried.”
Bingo on all points.
The defense of Portland's federal courthouse was entirely legal and
appropriate and DID NOT cause the attacks on the building, but was in
response to the attacks.
I think they exacerbated the situation.
Post by El Castor
In 2017 UC Berkeley, ten miles from here as
the crow flies, experienced the very same kind of window breaking
Molotov cocktail riot. The rioters excuse in that case was the
University's agreement to allow a conservative, Milo Yiannopoulos, to
speak. Can't blame that on Trump.
http://youtu.be/PwFzOW2tZf0
You people are defending the conduct of murderous animals, and in
doing so are no better than the savage beasts you defend.
What part of "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable. We should never let what’s done in a march for equal rights
overcome what the reason for the march is. And that’s what these folks
are doing. And they should be found, arrested and tried.” did you not
understand?
I understand and completely agree.
Great! We both agree with Biden.
I believe that what we are agreeing with is our own, apparently
different interpretation of those words.
I only see one way to interpret them.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
If a march is billed as a confirmation of civil rights, but is really
for the purpose of looting, destruction, and anarchy, the destructive
behavior cannot be justified by the cover story designed to conceal
the true nature of the march. I would add a personal belief that
ANTIFA and the BLM movement, the founders and spiritual organizers of
these destructive demonstrations, are at their roots, Marxist. Here is
a video interview with Patrisse Cullors, one of the BLM founders in
which she describes herself and another founder as trained organizers
and trained Marxists.
http://youtu.be/Pyhy4IvkENg
If you take the time to examine the origin of Antifa, which is an
important participant and organizer in the Portland rioting, I believe
you would find similar Marxist roots.
The promise of Marxism has great appeal to some segments of society,
and that is, I believe, what is largely behind much of the chaos in
Covid America.
The protests are in support of the *idea* that black lives matter, not
the organization Black Lives Matter.
Those riots, tearing down of statues, and attacks on police and
federal buildings are aimed at the destruction of the founding
principles of this country.
Those were the hijacking of the protests, not the protests themselves.
The idea that black lives matter is not concordant with riots, etc.
Don't be so naive. Those "protests" proceeded exactly as intended.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
BTW -- All lives matter,
Touting the phrase "all lives matter" is wrong because it denies the
reality that all too often the only lives that don't matter are black lives.
Post by El Castor
including those
of dead and blinded police officers. Ironically this left wing mayhem
will serve to strengthen the resolve of Trump supporters. I hate to
imagine a Biden government led by that senile old fool and his left
wing handlers.
Given his words quoted above, Biden will not be hurt electorally.
I'm waiting for a debate or interview with more than pre-approved
questions,
His statement, "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable" was in response to a question he did not pre-approve (he
took a whole bunch of them).
Post by El Castor
however I doubt Sleepy Joe's handlers will ever permit such
a thing.
El Castor
2020-07-30 05:20:31 UTC
Reply
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:52:18 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:32:56 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:19:17 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:15:44 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:51:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even though the law
“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they should be
found, arrested and tried.”
Bingo on all points.
The defense of Portland's federal courthouse was entirely legal and
appropriate and DID NOT cause the attacks on the building, but was in
response to the attacks.
I think they exacerbated the situation.
Post by El Castor
In 2017 UC Berkeley, ten miles from here as
the crow flies, experienced the very same kind of window breaking
Molotov cocktail riot. The rioters excuse in that case was the
University's agreement to allow a conservative, Milo Yiannopoulos, to
speak. Can't blame that on Trump.
http://youtu.be/PwFzOW2tZf0
You people are defending the conduct of murderous animals, and in
doing so are no better than the savage beasts you defend.
What part of "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable. We should never let what’s done in a march for equal rights
overcome what the reason for the march is. And that’s what these folks
are doing. And they should be found, arrested and tried.” did you not
understand?
I understand and completely agree.
Great! We both agree with Biden.
I believe that what we are agreeing with is our own, apparently
different interpretation of those words.
I only see one way to interpret them.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
If a march is billed as a confirmation of civil rights, but is really
for the purpose of looting, destruction, and anarchy, the destructive
behavior cannot be justified by the cover story designed to conceal
the true nature of the march. I would add a personal belief that
ANTIFA and the BLM movement, the founders and spiritual organizers of
these destructive demonstrations, are at their roots, Marxist. Here is
a video interview with Patrisse Cullors, one of the BLM founders in
which she describes herself and another founder as trained organizers
and trained Marxists.
http://youtu.be/Pyhy4IvkENg
If you take the time to examine the origin of Antifa, which is an
important participant and organizer in the Portland rioting, I believe
you would find similar Marxist roots.
The promise of Marxism has great appeal to some segments of society,
and that is, I believe, what is largely behind much of the chaos in
Covid America.
The protests are in support of the *idea* that black lives matter, not
the organization Black Lives Matter.
Those riots, tearing down of statues, and attacks on police and
federal buildings are aimed at the destruction of the founding
principles of this country.
Those were the hijacking of the protests, not the protests themselves.
The idea that black lives matter is not concordant with riots, etc.
Don't be so naive. Those "protests" proceeded exactly as intended.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
BTW -- All lives matter,
Touting the phrase "all lives matter" is wrong because it denies the
reality that all too often the only lives that don't matter are black lives.
Post by El Castor
including those
of dead and blinded police officers. Ironically this left wing mayhem
will serve to strengthen the resolve of Trump supporters. I hate to
imagine a Biden government led by that senile old fool and his left
wing handlers.
Given his words quoted above, Biden will not be hurt electorally.
I'm waiting for a debate or interview with more than pre-approved
questions,
His statement, "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable" was in response to a question he did not pre-approve (he
took a whole bunch of them).
Post by El Castor
however I doubt Sleepy Joe's handlers will ever permit such
a thing.
Here is sleepy senile Joe, just getting started.

If elected, which I doubt, he will probably pick a VP (based more on
race and gender, than qualification) and bow out well before his first
term has ended. Let's hope it isn't AOC or Elizabeth.

Joe Biden's worst campaign moment, revisited
By Glenn Kessler The Washington Post Jul 27, 2020
https://www.unionleader.com/news/politics/voters/joe-bidens-worst-campaign-moment-revisited/article_c2ae94a7-1933-594f-8fc4-d1f2876e7b8e.html
islander
2020-07-30 14:31:25 UTC
Reply
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Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:52:18 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:32:56 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:19:17 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:15:44 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:51:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even though the law
“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they should be
found, arrested and tried.”
Bingo on all points.
The defense of Portland's federal courthouse was entirely legal and
appropriate and DID NOT cause the attacks on the building, but was in
response to the attacks.
I think they exacerbated the situation.
Post by El Castor
In 2017 UC Berkeley, ten miles from here as
the crow flies, experienced the very same kind of window breaking
Molotov cocktail riot. The rioters excuse in that case was the
University's agreement to allow a conservative, Milo Yiannopoulos, to
speak. Can't blame that on Trump.
http://youtu.be/PwFzOW2tZf0
You people are defending the conduct of murderous animals, and in
doing so are no better than the savage beasts you defend.
What part of "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable. We should never let what’s done in a march for equal rights
overcome what the reason for the march is. And that’s what these folks
are doing. And they should be found, arrested and tried.” did you not
understand?
I understand and completely agree.
Great! We both agree with Biden.
I believe that what we are agreeing with is our own, apparently
different interpretation of those words.
I only see one way to interpret them.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
If a march is billed as a confirmation of civil rights, but is really
for the purpose of looting, destruction, and anarchy, the destructive
behavior cannot be justified by the cover story designed to conceal
the true nature of the march. I would add a personal belief that
ANTIFA and the BLM movement, the founders and spiritual organizers of
these destructive demonstrations, are at their roots, Marxist. Here is
a video interview with Patrisse Cullors, one of the BLM founders in
which she describes herself and another founder as trained organizers
and trained Marxists.
http://youtu.be/Pyhy4IvkENg
If you take the time to examine the origin of Antifa, which is an
important participant and organizer in the Portland rioting, I believe
you would find similar Marxist roots.
The promise of Marxism has great appeal to some segments of society,
and that is, I believe, what is largely behind much of the chaos in
Covid America.
The protests are in support of the *idea* that black lives matter, not
the organization Black Lives Matter.
Those riots, tearing down of statues, and attacks on police and
federal buildings are aimed at the destruction of the founding
principles of this country.
Those were the hijacking of the protests, not the protests themselves.
The idea that black lives matter is not concordant with riots, etc.
Don't be so naive. Those "protests" proceeded exactly as intended.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
BTW -- All lives matter,
Touting the phrase "all lives matter" is wrong because it denies the
reality that all too often the only lives that don't matter are black lives.
Post by El Castor
including those
of dead and blinded police officers. Ironically this left wing mayhem
will serve to strengthen the resolve of Trump supporters. I hate to
imagine a Biden government led by that senile old fool and his left
wing handlers.
Given his words quoted above, Biden will not be hurt electorally.
I'm waiting for a debate or interview with more than pre-approved
questions,
His statement, "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable" was in response to a question he did not pre-approve (he
took a whole bunch of them).
Post by El Castor
however I doubt Sleepy Joe's handlers will ever permit such
a thing.
Here is sleepy senile Joe, just getting started.
If elected, which I doubt, he will probably pick a VP (based more on
race and gender, than qualification) and bow out well before his first
term has ended. Let's hope it isn't AOC or Elizabeth.
Joe Biden's worst campaign moment, revisited
By Glenn Kessler The Washington Post Jul 27, 2020
https://www.unionleader.com/news/politics/voters/joe-bidens-worst-campaign-moment-revisited/article_c2ae94a7-1933-594f-8fc4-d1f2876e7b8e.html
"The incident in question took place 33 years ago - and Biden was
talking about his record in law school 23 years earlier. Voters may find
that fibs about events that took place more than a half-century ago may
not be especially relevant, especially when Biden is running against a
man who has his own problems telling the truth. The ad, for
understandable reasons, does not include the fact that the man Biden
insulted is now a supporter. Some voters may find that relevant."
El Castor
2020-07-30 17:38:19 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:52:18 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:32:56 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:19:17 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:15:44 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:51:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even though the law
“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they should be
found, arrested and tried.”
Bingo on all points.
The defense of Portland's federal courthouse was entirely legal and
appropriate and DID NOT cause the attacks on the building, but was in
response to the attacks.
I think they exacerbated the situation.
Post by El Castor
In 2017 UC Berkeley, ten miles from here as
the crow flies, experienced the very same kind of window breaking
Molotov cocktail riot. The rioters excuse in that case was the
University's agreement to allow a conservative, Milo Yiannopoulos, to
speak. Can't blame that on Trump.
http://youtu.be/PwFzOW2tZf0
You people are defending the conduct of murderous animals, and in
doing so are no better than the savage beasts you defend.
What part of "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable. We should never let what’s done in a march for equal rights
overcome what the reason for the march is. And that’s what these folks
are doing. And they should be found, arrested and tried.” did you not
understand?
I understand and completely agree.
Great! We both agree with Biden.
I believe that what we are agreeing with is our own, apparently
different interpretation of those words.
I only see one way to interpret them.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
If a march is billed as a confirmation of civil rights, but is really
for the purpose of looting, destruction, and anarchy, the destructive
behavior cannot be justified by the cover story designed to conceal
the true nature of the march. I would add a personal belief that
ANTIFA and the BLM movement, the founders and spiritual organizers of
these destructive demonstrations, are at their roots, Marxist. Here is
a video interview with Patrisse Cullors, one of the BLM founders in
which she describes herself and another founder as trained organizers
and trained Marxists.
http://youtu.be/Pyhy4IvkENg
If you take the time to examine the origin of Antifa, which is an
important participant and organizer in the Portland rioting, I believe
you would find similar Marxist roots.
The promise of Marxism has great appeal to some segments of society,
and that is, I believe, what is largely behind much of the chaos in
Covid America.
The protests are in support of the *idea* that black lives matter, not
the organization Black Lives Matter.
Those riots, tearing down of statues, and attacks on police and
federal buildings are aimed at the destruction of the founding
principles of this country.
Those were the hijacking of the protests, not the protests themselves.
The idea that black lives matter is not concordant with riots, etc.
Don't be so naive. Those "protests" proceeded exactly as intended.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
BTW -- All lives matter,
Touting the phrase "all lives matter" is wrong because it denies the
reality that all too often the only lives that don't matter are black lives.
Post by El Castor
including those
of dead and blinded police officers. Ironically this left wing mayhem
will serve to strengthen the resolve of Trump supporters. I hate to
imagine a Biden government led by that senile old fool and his left
wing handlers.
Given his words quoted above, Biden will not be hurt electorally.
I'm waiting for a debate or interview with more than pre-approved
questions,
His statement, "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable" was in response to a question he did not pre-approve (he
took a whole bunch of them).
Post by El Castor
however I doubt Sleepy Joe's handlers will ever permit such
a thing.
Here is sleepy senile Joe, just getting started.
If elected, which I doubt, he will probably pick a VP (based more on
race and gender, than qualification) and bow out well before his first
term has ended. Let's hope it isn't AOC or Elizabeth.
Joe Biden's worst campaign moment, revisited
By Glenn Kessler The Washington Post Jul 27, 2020
https://www.unionleader.com/news/politics/voters/joe-bidens-worst-campaign-moment-revisited/article_c2ae94a7-1933-594f-8fc4-d1f2876e7b8e.html
"The incident in question took place 33 years ago - and Biden was
talking about his record in law school 23 years earlier. Voters may find
that fibs about events that took place more than a half-century ago may
not be especially relevant, especially when Biden is running against a
man who has his own problems telling the truth. The ad, for
understandable reasons, does not include the fact that the man Biden
insulted is now a supporter. Some voters may find that relevant."
You know as well as I do that Biden's mental condition is a very
significant issue. I am no fan of Democrats, but with all the younger
competent possibilities, what were you people thinking? We are left
with a man poised on the edge of the cliff of senility who will be
"handled" by members of the Left we are unable to choose, question, or
even identify.
islander
2020-08-01 14:42:18 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:52:18 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:32:56 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:19:17 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:15:44 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:51:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even though the law
“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they should be
found, arrested and tried.”
Bingo on all points.
The defense of Portland's federal courthouse was entirely legal and
appropriate and DID NOT cause the attacks on the building, but was in
response to the attacks.
I think they exacerbated the situation.
Post by El Castor
In 2017 UC Berkeley, ten miles from here as
the crow flies, experienced the very same kind of window breaking
Molotov cocktail riot. The rioters excuse in that case was the
University's agreement to allow a conservative, Milo Yiannopoulos, to
speak. Can't blame that on Trump.
http://youtu.be/PwFzOW2tZf0
You people are defending the conduct of murderous animals, and in
doing so are no better than the savage beasts you defend.
What part of "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable. We should never let what’s done in a march for equal rights
overcome what the reason for the march is. And that’s what these folks
are doing. And they should be found, arrested and tried.” did you not
understand?
I understand and completely agree.
Great! We both agree with Biden.
I believe that what we are agreeing with is our own, apparently
different interpretation of those words.
I only see one way to interpret them.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
If a march is billed as a confirmation of civil rights, but is really
for the purpose of looting, destruction, and anarchy, the destructive
behavior cannot be justified by the cover story designed to conceal
the true nature of the march. I would add a personal belief that
ANTIFA and the BLM movement, the founders and spiritual organizers of
these destructive demonstrations, are at their roots, Marxist. Here is
a video interview with Patrisse Cullors, one of the BLM founders in
which she describes herself and another founder as trained organizers
and trained Marxists.
http://youtu.be/Pyhy4IvkENg
If you take the time to examine the origin of Antifa, which is an
important participant and organizer in the Portland rioting, I believe
you would find similar Marxist roots.
The promise of Marxism has great appeal to some segments of society,
and that is, I believe, what is largely behind much of the chaos in
Covid America.
The protests are in support of the *idea* that black lives matter, not
the organization Black Lives Matter.
Those riots, tearing down of statues, and attacks on police and
federal buildings are aimed at the destruction of the founding
principles of this country.
Those were the hijacking of the protests, not the protests themselves.
The idea that black lives matter is not concordant with riots, etc.
Don't be so naive. Those "protests" proceeded exactly as intended.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
BTW -- All lives matter,
Touting the phrase "all lives matter" is wrong because it denies the
reality that all too often the only lives that don't matter are black lives.
Post by El Castor
including those
of dead and blinded police officers. Ironically this left wing mayhem
will serve to strengthen the resolve of Trump supporters. I hate to
imagine a Biden government led by that senile old fool and his left
wing handlers.
Given his words quoted above, Biden will not be hurt electorally.
I'm waiting for a debate or interview with more than pre-approved
questions,
His statement, "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable" was in response to a question he did not pre-approve (he
took a whole bunch of them).
Post by El Castor
however I doubt Sleepy Joe's handlers will ever permit such
a thing.
Here is sleepy senile Joe, just getting started.
If elected, which I doubt, he will probably pick a VP (based more on
race and gender, than qualification) and bow out well before his first
term has ended. Let's hope it isn't AOC or Elizabeth.
Joe Biden's worst campaign moment, revisited
By Glenn Kessler The Washington Post Jul 27, 2020
https://www.unionleader.com/news/politics/voters/joe-bidens-worst-campaign-moment-revisited/article_c2ae94a7-1933-594f-8fc4-d1f2876e7b8e.html
"The incident in question took place 33 years ago - and Biden was
talking about his record in law school 23 years earlier. Voters may find
that fibs about events that took place more than a half-century ago may
not be especially relevant, especially when Biden is running against a
man who has his own problems telling the truth. The ad, for
understandable reasons, does not include the fact that the man Biden
insulted is now a supporter. Some voters may find that relevant."
You know as well as I do that Biden's mental condition is a very
significant issue. I am no fan of Democrats, but with all the younger
competent possibilities, what were you people thinking? We are left
with a man poised on the edge of the cliff of senility who will be
"handled" by members of the Left we are unable to choose, question, or
even identify.
Over the past 20 years that I have been active in this forum, I have
consistently argued that we consider the whole of an administration and
not just the President. To that end, I have emphasized who the
President surrounds himself (or herself) with during the campaign and as
cabinet members. We would do well to do the same for the two candidates
this year, IMV. Yes, Biden is old, but he brings a wealth of experience
to the job and I expect him to pick his advisors carefully. Trump, of
course, did not pick his advisors well and has demonstrated a succession
of people who he threw under the bus. I don't think that you can
honestly say that his picks for advisors was from the best and
brightest, can you?
islander
2020-08-01 14:55:52 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:52:18 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:32:56 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:19:17 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:15:44 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:51:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:02:48 -0700, islander
{snip}
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in
an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order
president.  Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it.  Serious
Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to
come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police
union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse.
The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump
with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you
object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do
the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an
adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse.
I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years
was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him
re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever
known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland
utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is
apolitical. We
have never discussed politics.  He called me a few days
ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland.
I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace
to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal
responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of
Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the
Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and
persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on
the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official
duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the
protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against
the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent
or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if
the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the
authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in
question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the
property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland
authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that
federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or
unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even
though the law
“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division
and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s
about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I
think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We
should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the
reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they
should be
found, arrested and tried.”
Bingo on all points.
The defense of Portland's federal courthouse was entirely legal and
appropriate and DID NOT cause the attacks on the building, but was in
response to the attacks.
I think they exacerbated the situation.
Post by El Castor
In 2017 UC Berkeley, ten miles from here as
the crow flies, experienced the very same kind of window breaking
Molotov cocktail riot. The rioters excuse in that case was the
University's agreement to allow a conservative, Milo Yiannopoulos, to
speak. Can't blame that on Trump.
http://youtu.be/PwFzOW2tZf0
You people are defending the conduct of murderous animals, and in
doing so are no better than the savage beasts you defend.
What part of "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable. We should never let what’s done in a march for
equal rights
overcome what the reason for the march is. And that’s what
these folks
are doing. And they should be found, arrested and tried.” did you not
understand?
I understand and completely agree.
Great! We both agree with Biden.
I believe that what we are agreeing with is our own, apparently
different interpretation of those words.
I only see one way to interpret them.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
If a march is billed as a confirmation of civil rights, but is really
for the purpose of looting, destruction, and anarchy, the destructive
behavior cannot be justified by the cover story designed to conceal
the true nature of the march. I would add a personal belief that
ANTIFA and the BLM movement, the founders and spiritual organizers of
these destructive demonstrations, are at their roots, Marxist. Here is
a video interview with Patrisse Cullors, one of the BLM founders in
which she describes herself and another founder as trained organizers
and trained Marxists.
http://youtu.be/Pyhy4IvkENg
If you take the time to examine the origin of Antifa, which is an
important participant and organizer in the Portland rioting, I believe
you would find similar Marxist roots.
The promise of Marxism has great appeal to some segments of society,
and that is, I believe, what is largely behind much of the chaos in
Covid America.
The protests are in support of the *idea* that black lives matter, not
the organization Black Lives Matter.
Those riots, tearing down of statues, and attacks on police and
federal buildings are aimed at the destruction of the founding
principles of this country.
Those were the hijacking of the protests, not the protests themselves.
The idea that black lives matter is not concordant with riots, etc.
Don't be so naive. Those "protests" proceeded exactly as intended.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
BTW -- All lives matter,
Touting the phrase "all lives matter" is wrong because it denies the
reality that all too often the only lives that don't matter are black lives.
Post by El Castor
including those
of dead and blinded police officers. Ironically this left wing mayhem
will serve to strengthen the resolve of Trump supporters. I hate to
imagine a Biden government led by that senile old fool and his left
wing handlers.
Given his words quoted above, Biden will not be hurt electorally.
I'm waiting for a debate or interview with more than pre-approved
questions,
His statement, "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable" was in response to a question he did not pre-approve (he
took a whole bunch of them).
Post by El Castor
however I doubt Sleepy Joe's handlers will ever permit such
a thing.
Here is sleepy senile Joe, just getting started.
If elected, which I doubt, he will probably pick a VP (based more on
race and gender, than qualification) and bow out well before his first
term has ended. Let's hope it isn't AOC or Elizabeth.
Joe Biden's worst campaign moment, revisited
      By Glenn Kessler The Washington Post Jul 27, 2020
https://www.unionleader.com/news/politics/voters/joe-bidens-worst-campaign-moment-revisited/article_c2ae94a7-1933-594f-8fc4-d1f2876e7b8e.html
"The incident in question took place 33 years ago - and Biden was
talking about his record in law school 23 years earlier. Voters may find
that fibs about events that took place more than a half-century ago may
not be especially relevant, especially when Biden is running against a
man who has his own problems telling the truth. The ad, for
understandable reasons, does not include the fact that the man Biden
insulted is now a supporter. Some voters may find that relevant."
You know as well as I do that Biden's mental condition is a very
significant issue. I am no fan of Democrats, but with all the younger
competent possibilities, what were you people thinking? We are left
with a man poised on the edge of the cliff of senility who will be
"handled" by members of the Left we are unable to choose, question, or
even identify.
Over the past 20 years that I have been active in this forum, I have
consistently argued that we consider the whole of an administration and
not just the President.  To that end, I have emphasized who the
President surrounds himself (or herself) with during the campaign and as
cabinet members.  We would do well to do the same for the two candidates
this year, IMV.  Yes, Biden is old, but he brings a wealth of experience
to the job and I expect him to pick his advisors carefully.  Trump, of
course, did not pick his advisors well and has demonstrated a succession
of people who he threw under the bus.  I don't think that you can
honestly say that his picks for advisors was from the best and
brightest, can you?
Here is a description of the Biden for President organization. Pretty
impressive, IMV.
https://www.democracyinaction.us/2020/biden/bidenorg.html
El Castor
2020-08-01 19:07:04 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:02:48 -0700, islander
{snip}
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in
an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order
president.  Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it.  Serious
Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to
come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police
union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse.
The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump
with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you
object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do
the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an
adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse.
I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years
was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him
re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever
known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland
utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is
apolitical. We
have never discussed politics.  He called me a few days
ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland.
I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace
to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal
responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of
Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the
Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General
Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of
2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the
protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and
persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property
to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on
the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official
duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the
protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against
the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent
or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if
the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person
to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the
authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in
question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the
property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of
homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland
authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that
federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or
unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even
though the law
“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division
and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s
about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I
think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We
should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the
reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they
should be
found, arrested and tried.”
Bingo on all points.
The defense of Portland's federal courthouse was entirely legal and
appropriate and DID NOT cause the attacks on the building,
but was in
response to the attacks.
I think they exacerbated the situation.
Post by El Castor
In 2017 UC Berkeley, ten miles from here as
the crow flies, experienced the very same kind of window breaking
Molotov cocktail riot. The rioters excuse in that case was the
University's agreement to allow a conservative, Milo
Yiannopoulos, to
speak. Can't blame that on Trump.
http://youtu.be/PwFzOW2tZf0
You people are defending the conduct of murderous animals, and in
doing so are no better than the savage beasts you defend.
What part of "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable. We should never let what’s done in a march for
equal rights
overcome what the reason for the march is. And that’s what
these folks
are doing. And they should be found, arrested and tried.” did
you not
understand?
I understand and completely agree.
Great! We both agree with Biden.
I believe that what we are agreeing with is our own, apparently
different interpretation of those words.
I only see one way to interpret them.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
If a march is billed as a confirmation of civil rights, but is really
for the purpose of looting, destruction, and anarchy, the destructive
behavior cannot be justified by the cover story designed to conceal
the true nature of the march. I would add a personal belief that
ANTIFA and the BLM movement, the founders and spiritual organizers of
these destructive demonstrations, are at their roots, Marxist. Here is
a video interview with Patrisse Cullors, one of the BLM founders in
which she describes herself and another founder as trained organizers
and trained Marxists.
http://youtu.be/Pyhy4IvkENg
If you take the time to examine the origin of Antifa, which is an
important participant and organizer in the Portland rioting, I believe
you would find similar Marxist roots.
The promise of Marxism has great appeal to some segments of society,
and that is, I believe, what is largely behind much of the chaos in
Covid America.
The protests are in support of the *idea* that black lives matter, not
the organization Black Lives Matter.
Those riots, tearing down of statues, and attacks on police and
federal buildings are aimed at the destruction of the founding
principles of this country.
Those were the hijacking of the protests, not the protests themselves.
The idea that black lives matter is not concordant with riots, etc.
Don't be so naive. Those "protests" proceeded exactly as intended.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
BTW -- All lives matter,
Touting the phrase "all lives matter" is wrong because it denies the
reality that all too often the only lives that don't matter are black lives.
Post by El Castor
including those
of dead and blinded police officers. Ironically this left wing mayhem
will serve to strengthen the resolve of Trump supporters. I hate to
imagine a Biden government led by that senile old fool and his left
wing handlers.
Given his words quoted above, Biden will not be hurt electorally.
I'm waiting for a debate or interview with more than pre-approved
questions,
His statement, "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable" was in response to a question he did not pre-approve (he
took a whole bunch of them).
Post by El Castor
however I doubt Sleepy Joe's handlers will ever permit such
a thing.
Here is sleepy senile Joe, just getting started.
If elected, which I doubt, he will probably pick a VP (based more on
race and gender, than qualification) and bow out well before his first
term has ended. Let's hope it isn't AOC or Elizabeth.
Joe Biden's worst campaign moment, revisited
      By Glenn Kessler The Washington Post Jul 27, 2020
https://www.unionleader.com/news/politics/voters/joe-bidens-worst-campaign-moment-revisited/article_c2ae94a7-1933-594f-8fc4-d1f2876e7b8e.html
"The incident in question took place 33 years ago - and Biden was
talking about his record in law school 23 years earlier. Voters may find
that fibs about events that took place more than a half-century ago may
not be especially relevant, especially when Biden is running against a
man who has his own problems telling the truth. The ad, for
understandable reasons, does not include the fact that the man Biden
insulted is now a supporter. Some voters may find that relevant."
You know as well as I do that Biden's mental condition is a very
significant issue. I am no fan of Democrats, but with all the younger
competent possibilities, what were you people thinking? We are left
with a man poised on the edge of the cliff of senility who will be
"handled" by members of the Left we are unable to choose, question, or
even identify.
Over the past 20 years that I have been active in this forum, I have
consistently argued that we consider the whole of an administration and
not just the President.  To that end, I have emphasized who the
President surrounds himself (or herself) with during the campaign and as
cabinet members.  We would do well to do the same for the two candidates
this year, IMV.  Yes, Biden is old, but he brings a wealth of experience
to the job and I expect him to pick his advisors carefully.  Trump, of
course, did not pick his advisors well and has demonstrated a succession
of people who he threw under the bus.  I don't think that you can
honestly say that his picks for advisors was from the best and
brightest, can you?
Here is a description of the Biden for President organization. Pretty
impressive, IMV.
https://www.democracyinaction.us/2020/biden/bidenorg.html
Hitler and Stalin my have had impressive organizations, but it is the
logic and ideals that the organization represents that concerns me.
islander
2020-08-02 00:19:04 UTC
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Hitler and Stalin my have had impressive organizations, but it is the
logic and ideals that the organization represents that concerns me.
You lose the argument by virtue of Godwin's Law!
Johnny
2020-08-02 00:23:39 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Hitler and Stalin my have had impressive organizations, but it is
the logic and ideals that the organization represents that concerns
me.
You lose the argument by virtue of Godwin's Law!
If that is the only reason, he wins.
El Castor
2020-08-01 19:03:34 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:32:56 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:19:17 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:15:44 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:51:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:02:53 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
I agree the local and state officials have not done an adequate job in
quelling the violence, but Biden wouldn't send in an unwanted
para-military force which only makes the situation worse. I agree with
islander that Trump chose this path as a electoral strategy.
A Cambodian refugee who I worked with for several years was laid off
when his job was outsourced. Relatives of mine helped him re-settle in
Portland. He is the hardest working person I have ever known. He came
here illiterate in English and now works for a Portland utility in a
job that pays north of 100K. As far as I know he is apolitical. We
have never discussed politics. He called me a few days ago and was
absolutely beside himself over the situation in Portland. I have never
seen him so upset. The situation in Portland is a disgrace to Portland
and the nation.
Here is what the law has to say about federal responsibility to
"(b) Officers and Agents.—
(1) Designation.—
The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland
Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the
Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services
Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as
officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of
property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on
the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the
extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
(2) Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an
officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
(A) enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons
and property;
(B) carry firearms;
(C) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United
States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any
felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer
or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be
arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the
United States;
(E) conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of
offenses that may have been committed against property owned or
occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
(F) carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland
security as the Secretary may prescribe."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315
And here is what the "progressives" of Oregon have visited upon
Portland's federal court building while Portland authorities stood by
and watched.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE
The law is clear. Trump was required to protect that federal court.
Portland authorities were and are either unable or unwilling to do the
job.
That doesn't mean you bring in a para-military force even though the law
“He [Trump] is intentionally stoking the flames of division and racism
in this country. His campaign is failing, and he is looking for a
political lifeline. This isn’t about law and order. It’s about a
political strategy to revive a failing campaign. [...] I think we do
need to hold those who violate the law accountable. We should never let
what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the reason for the
march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they should be
found, arrested and tried.”
Bingo on all points.
The defense of Portland's federal courthouse was entirely legal and
appropriate and DID NOT cause the attacks on the building, but was in
response to the attacks.
I think they exacerbated the situation.
Post by El Castor
In 2017 UC Berkeley, ten miles from here as
the crow flies, experienced the very same kind of window breaking
Molotov cocktail riot. The rioters excuse in that case was the
University's agreement to allow a conservative, Milo Yiannopoulos, to
speak. Can't blame that on Trump.
http://youtu.be/PwFzOW2tZf0
You people are defending the conduct of murderous animals, and in
doing so are no better than the savage beasts you defend.
What part of "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable. We should never let what’s done in a march for equal rights
overcome what the reason for the march is. And that’s what these folks
are doing. And they should be found, arrested and tried.” did you not
understand?
I understand and completely agree.
Great! We both agree with Biden.
I believe that what we are agreeing with is our own, apparently
different interpretation of those words.
I only see one way to interpret them.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
If a march is billed as a confirmation of civil rights, but is really
for the purpose of looting, destruction, and anarchy, the destructive
behavior cannot be justified by the cover story designed to conceal
the true nature of the march. I would add a personal belief that
ANTIFA and the BLM movement, the founders and spiritual organizers of
these destructive demonstrations, are at their roots, Marxist. Here is
a video interview with Patrisse Cullors, one of the BLM founders in
which she describes herself and another founder as trained organizers
and trained Marxists.
http://youtu.be/Pyhy4IvkENg
If you take the time to examine the origin of Antifa, which is an
important participant and organizer in the Portland rioting, I believe
you would find similar Marxist roots.
The promise of Marxism has great appeal to some segments of society,
and that is, I believe, what is largely behind much of the chaos in
Covid America.
The protests are in support of the *idea* that black lives matter, not
the organization Black Lives Matter.
Those riots, tearing down of statues, and attacks on police and
federal buildings are aimed at the destruction of the founding
principles of this country.
Those were the hijacking of the protests, not the protests themselves.
The idea that black lives matter is not concordant with riots, etc.
Don't be so naive. Those "protests" proceeded exactly as intended.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
BTW -- All lives matter,
Touting the phrase "all lives matter" is wrong because it denies the
reality that all too often the only lives that don't matter are black lives.
Post by El Castor
including those
of dead and blinded police officers. Ironically this left wing mayhem
will serve to strengthen the resolve of Trump supporters. I hate to
imagine a Biden government led by that senile old fool and his left
wing handlers.
Given his words quoted above, Biden will not be hurt electorally.
I'm waiting for a debate or interview with more than pre-approved
questions,
His statement, "I think we do need to hold those who violate the law
accountable" was in response to a question he did not pre-approve (he
took a whole bunch of them).
Post by El Castor
however I doubt Sleepy Joe's handlers will ever permit such
a thing.
Here is sleepy senile Joe, just getting started.
If elected, which I doubt, he will probably pick a VP (based more on
race and gender, than qualification) and bow out well before his first
term has ended. Let's hope it isn't AOC or Elizabeth.
Joe Biden's worst campaign moment, revisited
By Glenn Kessler The Washington Post Jul 27, 2020
https://www.unionleader.com/news/politics/voters/joe-bidens-worst-campaign-moment-revisited/article_c2ae94a7-1933-594f-8fc4-d1f2876e7b8e.html
"The incident in question took place 33 years ago - and Biden was
talking about his record in law school 23 years earlier. Voters may find
that fibs about events that took place more than a half-century ago may
not be especially relevant, especially when Biden is running against a
man who has his own problems telling the truth. The ad, for
understandable reasons, does not include the fact that the man Biden
insulted is now a supporter. Some voters may find that relevant."
You know as well as I do that Biden's mental condition is a very
significant issue. I am no fan of Democrats, but with all the younger
competent possibilities, what were you people thinking? We are left
with a man poised on the edge of the cliff of senility who will be
"handled" by members of the Left we are unable to choose, question, or
even identify.
Over the past 20 years that I have been active in this forum, I have
consistently argued that we consider the whole of an administration and
not just the President. To that end, I have emphasized who the
President surrounds himself (or herself) with during the campaign and as
cabinet members. We would do well to do the same for the two candidates
this year, IMV. Yes, Biden is old, but he brings a wealth of experience
to the job and I expect him to pick his advisors carefully. Trump, of
course, did not pick his advisors well and has demonstrated a succession
of people who he threw under the bus. I don't think that you can
honestly say that his picks for advisors was from the best and
brightest, can you?
Whatever the origin of Trump's advice, I can honestly say that I
endorse his policies of restoring sanity to our corporate tax system,
standing up to an increasingly aggressive China, and halting illegal
immigration. Whoever or Whatever Biden's advisors might be, I believe
he will most likely reverse all of those policies, and I find that
very worrisome.
islander
2020-08-02 00:16:20 UTC
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Whatever the origin of Trump's advice, I can honestly say that I
endorse his policies of restoring sanity to our corporate tax system,
standing up to an increasingly aggressive China, and halting illegal
immigration. Whoever or Whatever Biden's advisors might be, I believe
he will most likely reverse all of those policies, and I find that
very worrisome.
Well, let's look at those issues:

Lowering corporate taxes only succeeded in giving corporations a chance
to buy back their own stock, producing a bubble in the market. Very
little of the tax windfall went into jobs.

All Trump has done with regard to China is to increase their influence
in the Pacific Rim. Trump's approach to most problems is to sew
disruption and then attempt to benefit from the wreckage. His fumbling
around in tariffs damaged a lot of US businesses and brought about the
need to bail out the mid-West farmers.

On immigration, he has now gone to denying visas which have been the
source of manpower for the tech industry. And, whatever happened to the
plan for Mexico paying for the wall? Now, even Canada is preventing
immigration from the US.
El Castor
2020-08-02 05:44:27 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Whatever the origin of Trump's advice, I can honestly say that I
endorse his policies of restoring sanity to our corporate tax system,
standing up to an increasingly aggressive China, and halting illegal
immigration. Whoever or Whatever Biden's advisors might be, I believe
he will most likely reverse all of those policies, and I find that
very worrisome.
Lowering corporate taxes only succeeded in giving corporations a chance
to buy back their own stock, producing a bubble in the market. Very
little of the tax windfall went into jobs.
The US had the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Even European
socialism woke up to the insanity of excessive corporate taxation and
has been cutting those taxes for years. As for stock buy backs, the
importance of cutting our absurdly high rates stretches far beyond the
near term and will have an impact for many years to come. Here are
some discussions of the benefits.
https://taxfoundation.org/benefits-of-a-corporate-tax-cut/#:~:text=Table%201%3A%20Economic%20Impact%20of%20the%20Tax%20Cuts,full-time%20equivalent%20%20...%20%20%20339%2C000%20
https://microeconomicinsights.org/benefits-corporate-tax-cuts-evidence-local-us-labour-markets/
Post by islander
All Trump has done with regard to China is to increase their influence
in the Pacific Rim. Trump's approach to most problems is to sew
disruption and then attempt to benefit from the wreckage. His fumbling
around in tariffs damaged a lot of US businesses and brought about the
need to bail out the mid-West farmers.
China obviously had a well planned strategy to replace American
economic dominance in the world. For instance, Chinese back door
subsidies were three years from putting the US out of the steel
business. It took a man like Trump to admit what was happening and do
something about it.
Post by islander
On immigration, he has now gone to denying visas which have been the
source of manpower for the tech industry. And, whatever happened to the
plan for Mexico paying for the wall? Now, even Canada is preventing
immigration from the US.
In 2019 Trump promoted the idea of a path to citizenship for H1B visa
holders. The 2020 temporary H1B suspension was a response to COVID-19.
islander
2020-08-02 14:41:01 UTC
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Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Whatever the origin of Trump's advice, I can honestly say that I
endorse his policies of restoring sanity to our corporate tax system,
standing up to an increasingly aggressive China, and halting illegal
immigration. Whoever or Whatever Biden's advisors might be, I believe
he will most likely reverse all of those policies, and I find that
very worrisome.
Lowering corporate taxes only succeeded in giving corporations a chance
to buy back their own stock, producing a bubble in the market. Very
little of the tax windfall went into jobs.
The US had the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Even European
socialism woke up to the insanity of excessive corporate taxation and
has been cutting those taxes for years. As for stock buy backs, the
importance of cutting our absurdly high rates stretches far beyond the
near term and will have an impact for many years to come. Here are
some discussions of the benefits.
https://taxfoundation.org/benefits-of-a-corporate-tax-cut/#:~:text=Table%201%3A%20Economic%20Impact%20of%20the%20Tax%20Cuts,full-time%20equivalent%20%20...%20%20%20339%2C000%20
https://microeconomicinsights.org/benefits-corporate-tax-cuts-evidence-local-us-labour-markets/
I learned a long time ago to pay attention to the tense of verbs when
someone is trying to sell me something. As far as I am concerned, when
the speaker switches to future tense promises, I'm not buying it.
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
All Trump has done with regard to China is to increase their influence
in the Pacific Rim. Trump's approach to most problems is to sew
disruption and then attempt to benefit from the wreckage. His fumbling
around in tariffs damaged a lot of US businesses and brought about the
need to bail out the mid-West farmers.
China obviously had a well planned strategy to replace American
economic dominance in the world. For instance, Chinese back door
subsidies were three years from putting the US out of the steel
business. It took a man like Trump to admit what was happening and do
something about it.
Yes, China has had a well planned strategy for economic growth. What
Trump (and most Republicans never understood) was that the invitation
that China extended to American corporations was a well planned strategy
to transfer technology to their country. You should pay attention to
who owns controlling interest when American corporations rush to build
joint ventures in China. Once again, American corporations plan for
short term gains while China is playing for the long term. This has
nothing to do with tariffs and I'm only amazed that Republicans seem to
have forgotten what you say you learned from your economics professor at
Berkeley.
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
On immigration, he has now gone to denying visas which have been the
source of manpower for the tech industry. And, whatever happened to the
plan for Mexico paying for the wall? Now, even Canada is preventing
immigration from the US.
In 2019 Trump promoted the idea of a path to citizenship for H1B visa
holders. The 2020 temporary H1B suspension was a response to COVID-19.
Tell that to Stephen Miller.
El Castor
2020-08-02 20:12:17 UTC
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Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Whatever the origin of Trump's advice, I can honestly say that I
endorse his policies of restoring sanity to our corporate tax system,
standing up to an increasingly aggressive China, and halting illegal
immigration. Whoever or Whatever Biden's advisors might be, I believe
he will most likely reverse all of those policies, and I find that
very worrisome.
Lowering corporate taxes only succeeded in giving corporations a chance
to buy back their own stock, producing a bubble in the market. Very
little of the tax windfall went into jobs.
The US had the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Even European
socialism woke up to the insanity of excessive corporate taxation and
has been cutting those taxes for years. As for stock buy backs, the
importance of cutting our absurdly high rates stretches far beyond the
near term and will have an impact for many years to come. Here are
some discussions of the benefits.
https://taxfoundation.org/benefits-of-a-corporate-tax-cut/#:~:text=Table%201%3A%20Economic%20Impact%20of%20the%20Tax%20Cuts,full-time%20equivalent%20%20...%20%20%20339%2C000%20
https://microeconomicinsights.org/benefits-corporate-tax-cuts-evidence-local-us-labour-markets/
I learned a long time ago to pay attention to the tense of verbs when
someone is trying to sell me something. As far as I am concerned, when
the speaker switches to future tense promises, I'm not buying it.
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
All Trump has done with regard to China is to increase their influence
in the Pacific Rim. Trump's approach to most problems is to sew
disruption and then attempt to benefit from the wreckage. His fumbling
around in tariffs damaged a lot of US businesses and brought about the
need to bail out the mid-West farmers.
China obviously had a well planned strategy to replace American
economic dominance in the world. For instance, Chinese back door
subsidies were three years from putting the US out of the steel
business. It took a man like Trump to admit what was happening and do
something about it.
Yes, China has had a well planned strategy for economic growth. What
Trump (and most Republicans never understood) was that the invitation
that China extended to American corporations was a well planned strategy
to transfer technology to their country. You should pay attention to
who owns controlling interest when American corporations rush to build
joint ventures in China. Once again, American corporations plan for
short term gains while China is playing for the long term. This has
nothing to do with tariffs and I'm only amazed that Republicans seem to
have forgotten what you say you learned from your economics professor at
Berkeley.
I completely agree that China is looking at the long term, and
obviously developing broad strategies to undermine American dominance
in manufacturing and technology. This doesn't make them evil, just
smart. It seems that electrical energy is one of the most important
cost components in steel manufacturing. The Chinese government owns
the country's electrical generation system. Trade agreements prohibit
government subsidies of steel exports, so the Chinese government sold
electrical power to steel plants at a price below the cost of
production, and was in the process of literally putting US steel
manufacturers out of business -- until they were discovered. That is
an example of a strategy that US corporations could not employ or
defend against, and why the federal government needed to get involved.
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
On immigration, he has now gone to denying visas which have been the
source of manpower for the tech industry. And, whatever happened to the
plan for Mexico paying for the wall? Now, even Canada is preventing
immigration from the US.
In 2019 Trump promoted the idea of a path to citizenship for H1B visa
holders. The 2020 temporary H1B suspension was a response to COVID-19.
Tell that to Stephen Miller.
Hmmm. Sleepy Joe idiotically called Trump a Xenophobe when he halted
flights from China. This H1B thing is for the same good reasons. Makes
perfect sense. Do we really want or need to import room fulls of H1B
programmers in the midst of a COVID epidemic? There is this new
fangled thing called the Internet. Surely they can program just as
easily in New Delhi?
islander
2020-08-03 14:48:35 UTC
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Whatever the origin of Trump's advice, I can honestly say that I
endorse his policies of restoring sanity to our corporate tax system,
standing up to an increasingly aggressive China, and halting illegal
immigration. Whoever or Whatever Biden's advisors might be, I believe
he will most likely reverse all of those policies, and I find that
very worrisome.
Lowering corporate taxes only succeeded in giving corporations a chance
to buy back their own stock, producing a bubble in the market. Very
little of the tax windfall went into jobs.
The US had the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Even European
socialism woke up to the insanity of excessive corporate taxation and
has been cutting those taxes for years. As for stock buy backs, the
importance of cutting our absurdly high rates stretches far beyond the
near term and will have an impact for many years to come. Here are
some discussions of the benefits.
https://taxfoundation.org/benefits-of-a-corporate-tax-cut/#:~:text=Table%201%3A%20Economic%20Impact%20of%20the%20Tax%20Cuts,full-time%20equivalent%20%20...%20%20%20339%2C000%20
https://microeconomicinsights.org/benefits-corporate-tax-cuts-evidence-local-us-labour-markets/
I learned a long time ago to pay attention to the tense of verbs when
someone is trying to sell me something. As far as I am concerned, when
the speaker switches to future tense promises, I'm not buying it.
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
All Trump has done with regard to China is to increase their influence
in the Pacific Rim. Trump's approach to most problems is to sew
disruption and then attempt to benefit from the wreckage. His fumbling
around in tariffs damaged a lot of US businesses and brought about the
need to bail out the mid-West farmers.
China obviously had a well planned strategy to replace American
economic dominance in the world. For instance, Chinese back door
subsidies were three years from putting the US out of the steel
business. It took a man like Trump to admit what was happening and do
something about it.
Yes, China has had a well planned strategy for economic growth. What
Trump (and most Republicans never understood) was that the invitation
that China extended to American corporations was a well planned strategy
to transfer technology to their country. You should pay attention to
who owns controlling interest when American corporations rush to build
joint ventures in China. Once again, American corporations plan for
short term gains while China is playing for the long term. This has
nothing to do with tariffs and I'm only amazed that Republicans seem to
have forgotten what you say you learned from your economics professor at
Berkeley.
I completely agree that China is looking at the long term, and
obviously developing broad strategies to undermine American dominance
in manufacturing and technology. This doesn't make them evil, just
smart. It seems that electrical energy is one of the most important
cost components in steel manufacturing. The Chinese government owns
the country's electrical generation system. Trade agreements prohibit
government subsidies of steel exports, so the Chinese government sold
electrical power to steel plants at a price below the cost of
production, and was in the process of literally putting US steel
manufacturers out of business -- until they were discovered. That is
an example of a strategy that US corporations could not employ or
defend against, and why the federal government needed to get involved.
That is a form of dumping which has been used by high tech companies
both in Asia and the US for decades. Regarding steel, the US could have
subsidized upgrade of US companies after WWII to use modern technology,
but we chose not to. You can find the same mistake in many fields of
manufacturing. But, after the destruction of manufacturing in Asia and
Europe in WWII, they had no choice but to build new factories which they
invested in heavily. Putting aside for the moment Chairman Mao's failed
backyard furnaces, Asian companies prospered by attracting American
investment with low wages. American companies outsourced to Asia,
costing us leadership across the board in manufacturing, favoring short
term profitability at the cost of ignoring China's long term plans.
This happened first in Japan, then in Korea, then Indonesia, and now in
China. So, Trump thinks that he can solve these problems with tariffs
as he walks away from international agreements. This is a naive attempt
to address the symptoms rather than the cause. We have argued here
before about tariffs and you seem to have forgotten your understanding
of why tariffs are a bad idea. I'm surprised.
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
On immigration, he has now gone to denying visas which have been the
source of manpower for the tech industry. And, whatever happened to the
plan for Mexico paying for the wall? Now, even Canada is preventing
immigration from the US.
In 2019 Trump promoted the idea of a path to citizenship for H1B visa
holders. The 2020 temporary H1B suspension was a response to COVID-19.
Tell that to Stephen Miller.
Hmmm. Sleepy Joe idiotically called Trump a Xenophobe when he halted
flights from China. This H1B thing is for the same good reasons. Makes
perfect sense. Do we really want or need to import room fulls of H1B
programmers in the midst of a COVID epidemic? There is this new
fangled thing called the Internet. Surely they can program just as
easily in New Delhi?
Shortly after I retired, a friend of mine in Silicon Valley was involved
in a project which used programmers in India, Israel, and the US to do
development around the clock, following the sun around the world. As
far as I know, it was successful, but required careful planning of the
roles of programmers in each time zone: design in the US, coding in
India, and testing in Israel. I thought that it was a creative way to
use the Internet.

But, as powerful as the Internet is, it cannot compete with the informal
social interactions that occur in high tech industries. This is why the
design of research centers include spaces that encourage informal
interaction. Here is a good description of how Google attempts to
balance local vs. remote work. https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/317582

What attracted me to the Bay area was that it was an enormous incubator.
My wife and I incorporated within a month of moving there. Need a
source of metal, there is Allen Steel. Need investors, there is Sand
Hill. Need a lawyer, there is Kleiner Perkins. Need an ion implanter,
there is probably someone with one in his garage. I enjoyed attending
the MIT entrepreneur mixer (held at Stanford) which was great for
meeting people with ideas. No one has been able to replicate Silicon
Valley anywhere in the US or the world and that is simply because it
attracts the best and the brightest from around the world.

Sorry, but I don't think that you can replace that with Zoom, as good as
it is.

But, not to worry. Canada is eager to import talent if we don't.
El Castor
2020-08-03 18:37:37 UTC
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Whatever the origin of Trump's advice, I can honestly say that I
endorse his policies of restoring sanity to our corporate tax system,
standing up to an increasingly aggressive China, and halting illegal
immigration. Whoever or Whatever Biden's advisors might be, I believe
he will most likely reverse all of those policies, and I find that
very worrisome.
Lowering corporate taxes only succeeded in giving corporations a chance
to buy back their own stock, producing a bubble in the market. Very
little of the tax windfall went into jobs.
The US had the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Even European
socialism woke up to the insanity of excessive corporate taxation and
has been cutting those taxes for years. As for stock buy backs, the
importance of cutting our absurdly high rates stretches far beyond the
near term and will have an impact for many years to come. Here are
some discussions of the benefits.
https://taxfoundation.org/benefits-of-a-corporate-tax-cut/#:~:text=Table%201%3A%20Economic%20Impact%20of%20the%20Tax%20Cuts,full-time%20equivalent%20%20...%20%20%20339%2C000%20
https://microeconomicinsights.org/benefits-corporate-tax-cuts-evidence-local-us-labour-markets/
I learned a long time ago to pay attention to the tense of verbs when
someone is trying to sell me something. As far as I am concerned, when
the speaker switches to future tense promises, I'm not buying it.
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
All Trump has done with regard to China is to increase their influence
in the Pacific Rim. Trump's approach to most problems is to sew
disruption and then attempt to benefit from the wreckage. His fumbling
around in tariffs damaged a lot of US businesses and brought about the
need to bail out the mid-West farmers.
China obviously had a well planned strategy to replace American
economic dominance in the world. For instance, Chinese back door
subsidies were three years from putting the US out of the steel
business. It took a man like Trump to admit what was happening and do
something about it.
Yes, China has had a well planned strategy for economic growth. What
Trump (and most Republicans never understood) was that the invitation
that China extended to American corporations was a well planned strategy
to transfer technology to their country. You should pay attention to
who owns controlling interest when American corporations rush to build
joint ventures in China. Once again, American corporations plan for
short term gains while China is playing for the long term. This has
nothing to do with tariffs and I'm only amazed that Republicans seem to
have forgotten what you say you learned from your economics professor at
Berkeley.
I completely agree that China is looking at the long term, and
obviously developing broad strategies to undermine American dominance
in manufacturing and technology. This doesn't make them evil, just
smart. It seems that electrical energy is one of the most important
cost components in steel manufacturing. The Chinese government owns
the country's electrical generation system. Trade agreements prohibit
government subsidies of steel exports, so the Chinese government sold
electrical power to steel plants at a price below the cost of
production, and was in the process of literally putting US steel
manufacturers out of business -- until they were discovered. That is
an example of a strategy that US corporations could not employ or
defend against, and why the federal government needed to get involved.
That is a form of dumping which has been used by high tech companies
both in Asia and the US for decades. Regarding steel, the US could have
subsidized upgrade of US companies after WWII to use modern technology,
but we chose not to. You can find the same mistake in many fields of
manufacturing. But, after the destruction of manufacturing in Asia and
Europe in WWII, they had no choice but to build new factories which they
invested in heavily. Putting aside for the moment Chairman Mao's failed
backyard furnaces, Asian companies prospered by attracting American
investment with low wages. American companies outsourced to Asia,
costing us leadership across the board in manufacturing, favoring short
term profitability at the cost of ignoring China's long term plans.
This happened first in Japan, then in Korea, then Indonesia, and now in
China. So, Trump thinks that he can solve these problems with tariffs
as he walks away from international agreements. This is a naive attempt
to address the symptoms rather than the cause. We have argued here
before about tariffs and you seem to have forgotten your understanding
of why tariffs are a bad idea. I'm surprised.
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
On immigration, he has now gone to denying visas which have been the
source of manpower for the tech industry. And, whatever happened to the
plan for Mexico paying for the wall? Now, even Canada is preventing
immigration from the US.
In 2019 Trump promoted the idea of a path to citizenship for H1B visa
holders. The 2020 temporary H1B suspension was a response to COVID-19.
Tell that to Stephen Miller.
Hmmm. Sleepy Joe idiotically called Trump a Xenophobe when he halted
flights from China. This H1B thing is for the same good reasons. Makes
perfect sense. Do we really want or need to import room fulls of H1B
programmers in the midst of a COVID epidemic? There is this new
fangled thing called the Internet. Surely they can program just as
easily in New Delhi?
Shortly after I retired, a friend of mine in Silicon Valley was involved
in a project which used programmers in India, Israel, and the US to do
development around the clock, following the sun around the world. As
far as I know, it was successful, but required careful planning of the
roles of programmers in each time zone: design in the US, coding in
India, and testing in Israel. I thought that it was a creative way to
use the Internet.
But, as powerful as the Internet is, it cannot compete with the informal
social interactions that occur in high tech industries. This is why the
design of research centers include spaces that encourage informal
interaction. Here is a good description of how Google attempts to
balance local vs. remote work. https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/317582
What attracted me to the Bay area was that it was an enormous incubator.
My wife and I incorporated within a month of moving there. Need a
source of metal, there is Allen Steel. Need investors, there is Sand
Hill. Need a lawyer, there is Kleiner Perkins. Need an ion implanter,
there is probably someone with one in his garage. I enjoyed attending
the MIT entrepreneur mixer (held at Stanford) which was great for
meeting people with ideas. No one has been able to replicate Silicon
Valley anywhere in the US or the world and that is simply because it
attracts the best and the brightest from around the world.
Sorry, but I don't think that you can replace that with Zoom, as good as
it is.
But, not to worry. Canada is eager to import talent if we don't.
The bank I worked for always had numerous large projects underway, the
programming end of which was often accomplished by H1B workers --
large rooms filled with rows of Indians pounding away on PCs. It was a
sight I will never forget. A BIL lives in Fremont, the heart of
Silicon Valley. Looking out his window I have often seen Indian women
in Saris walking by.

I understand your argument, but I have used Zoom and see no reason why
a US project manager couldn't use it to talk to a counterpart in India
-- a man he probably knew and had worked with for years. The
alternative in the time of the pandemic, plane loads of Indian imports
crammed into rooms in Silicon Valley, seems a little incongruous.

Returning to politics, here's a piece on the H1B issue that I am sure
you will find disingenuous and unconvincing. (-8
https://www.orissapost.com/trump-admin-took-steps-to-prevent-abuse-fraud-in-h-1b-visa-programmes-us-official/
islander
2020-08-03 19:18:44 UTC
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Whatever the origin of Trump's advice, I can honestly say that I
endorse his policies of restoring sanity to our corporate tax system,
standing up to an increasingly aggressive China, and halting illegal
immigration. Whoever or Whatever Biden's advisors might be, I believe
he will most likely reverse all of those policies, and I find that
very worrisome.
Lowering corporate taxes only succeeded in giving corporations a chance
to buy back their own stock, producing a bubble in the market. Very
little of the tax windfall went into jobs.
The US had the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Even European
socialism woke up to the insanity of excessive corporate taxation and
has been cutting those taxes for years. As for stock buy backs, the
importance of cutting our absurdly high rates stretches far beyond the
near term and will have an impact for many years to come. Here are
some discussions of the benefits.
https://taxfoundation.org/benefits-of-a-corporate-tax-cut/#:~:text=Table%201%3A%20Economic%20Impact%20of%20the%20Tax%20Cuts,full-time%20equivalent%20%20...%20%20%20339%2C000%20
https://microeconomicinsights.org/benefits-corporate-tax-cuts-evidence-local-us-labour-markets/
I learned a long time ago to pay attention to the tense of verbs when
someone is trying to sell me something. As far as I am concerned, when
the speaker switches to future tense promises, I'm not buying it.
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
All Trump has done with regard to China is to increase their influence
in the Pacific Rim. Trump's approach to most problems is to sew
disruption and then attempt to benefit from the wreckage. His fumbling
around in tariffs damaged a lot of US businesses and brought about the
need to bail out the mid-West farmers.
China obviously had a well planned strategy to replace American
economic dominance in the world. For instance, Chinese back door
subsidies were three years from putting the US out of the steel
business. It took a man like Trump to admit what was happening and do
something about it.
Yes, China has had a well planned strategy for economic growth. What
Trump (and most Republicans never understood) was that the invitation
that China extended to American corporations was a well planned strategy
to transfer technology to their country. You should pay attention to
who owns controlling interest when American corporations rush to build
joint ventures in China. Once again, American corporations plan for
short term gains while China is playing for the long term. This has
nothing to do with tariffs and I'm only amazed that Republicans seem to
have forgotten what you say you learned from your economics professor at
Berkeley.
I completely agree that China is looking at the long term, and
obviously developing broad strategies to undermine American dominance
in manufacturing and technology. This doesn't make them evil, just
smart. It seems that electrical energy is one of the most important
cost components in steel manufacturing. The Chinese government owns
the country's electrical generation system. Trade agreements prohibit
government subsidies of steel exports, so the Chinese government sold
electrical power to steel plants at a price below the cost of
production, and was in the process of literally putting US steel
manufacturers out of business -- until they were discovered. That is
an example of a strategy that US corporations could not employ or
defend against, and why the federal government needed to get involved.
That is a form of dumping which has been used by high tech companies
both in Asia and the US for decades. Regarding steel, the US could have
subsidized upgrade of US companies after WWII to use modern technology,
but we chose not to. You can find the same mistake in many fields of
manufacturing. But, after the destruction of manufacturing in Asia and
Europe in WWII, they had no choice but to build new factories which they
invested in heavily. Putting aside for the moment Chairman Mao's failed
backyard furnaces, Asian companies prospered by attracting American
investment with low wages. American companies outsourced to Asia,
costing us leadership across the board in manufacturing, favoring short
term profitability at the cost of ignoring China's long term plans.
This happened first in Japan, then in Korea, then Indonesia, and now in
China. So, Trump thinks that he can solve these problems with tariffs
as he walks away from international agreements. This is a naive attempt
to address the symptoms rather than the cause. We have argued here
before about tariffs and you seem to have forgotten your understanding
of why tariffs are a bad idea. I'm surprised.
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
On immigration, he has now gone to denying visas which have been the
source of manpower for the tech industry. And, whatever happened to the
plan for Mexico paying for the wall? Now, even Canada is preventing
immigration from the US.
In 2019 Trump promoted the idea of a path to citizenship for H1B visa
holders. The 2020 temporary H1B suspension was a response to COVID-19.
Tell that to Stephen Miller.
Hmmm. Sleepy Joe idiotically called Trump a Xenophobe when he halted
flights from China. This H1B thing is for the same good reasons. Makes
perfect sense. Do we really want or need to import room fulls of H1B
programmers in the midst of a COVID epidemic? There is this new
fangled thing called the Internet. Surely they can program just as
easily in New Delhi?
Shortly after I retired, a friend of mine in Silicon Valley was involved
in a project which used programmers in India, Israel, and the US to do
development around the clock, following the sun around the world. As
far as I know, it was successful, but required careful planning of the
roles of programmers in each time zone: design in the US, coding in
India, and testing in Israel. I thought that it was a creative way to
use the Internet.
But, as powerful as the Internet is, it cannot compete with the informal
social interactions that occur in high tech industries. This is why the
design of research centers include spaces that encourage informal
interaction. Here is a good description of how Google attempts to
balance local vs. remote work. https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/317582
What attracted me to the Bay area was that it was an enormous incubator.
My wife and I incorporated within a month of moving there. Need a
source of metal, there is Allen Steel. Need investors, there is Sand
Hill. Need a lawyer, there is Kleiner Perkins. Need an ion implanter,
there is probably someone with one in his garage. I enjoyed attending
the MIT entrepreneur mixer (held at Stanford) which was great for
meeting people with ideas. No one has been able to replicate Silicon
Valley anywhere in the US or the world and that is simply because it
attracts the best and the brightest from around the world.
Sorry, but I don't think that you can replace that with Zoom, as good as
it is.
But, not to worry. Canada is eager to import talent if we don't.
The bank I worked for always had numerous large projects underway, the
programming end of which was often accomplished by H1B workers --
large rooms filled with rows of Indians pounding away on PCs. It was a
sight I will never forget. A BIL lives in Fremont, the heart of
Silicon Valley. Looking out his window I have often seen Indian women
in Saris walking by.
I understand your argument, but I have used Zoom and see no reason why
a US project manager couldn't use it to talk to a counterpart in India
-- a man he probably knew and had worked with for years. The
alternative in the time of the pandemic, plane loads of Indian imports
crammed into rooms in Silicon Valley, seems a little incongruous.
Returning to politics, here's a piece on the H1B issue that I am sure
you will find disingenuous and unconvincing. (-8
https://www.orissapost.com/trump-admin-took-steps-to-prevent-abuse-fraud-in-h-1b-visa-programmes-us-official/
I would not claim that there have been no violations of the H1B visas,
nor would I defend bringing in boiler rooms full of coders, the bottom
of the profession. My experience has been with very talented and
creative people, including several who have been highly qualified
researchers. It would be foolish for us to not try to attract the best
and brightest from countries that have a larger pool of talent than we
do. My experience with graduate students was an indictment on native
American talent. My foreign students were mostly smart and highly
motivated to succeed.

islander
2020-07-28 15:18:21 UTC
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There is an interesting speculative piece in this morning's The
The Real October Surprise: Trump to Drop Out
Mike Pence to run in Trump’s place, following extensive pardon deal
granted Trump by Pence and arranged by Bill Barr.
By Stephen D. Wrage, July 26, 2020
https://www.theglobalist.com/united-states-donald-trump-mike-pence-pardon-resignation-joe-biden-bill-barr-2020-us-presidential-elections/
I'm not holding my breath, but Wrage makes some interesting points to
support his speculation.
1. Trump is too emotionally frail to ride out a November drubbing.
2. Trump is a confidence man — and con men know when a con has run its
course.
3. Trump has become boring and embarrassing.
4. The White House escapade is hurting Trump’s brand.
Frankly, I think that Mike Pence would be even worse than Trump, but in
different ways.
Stephen Wrage is an academic and commentator on international affairs,
specializing in ethics.
But, but, I thought Trump was going to lose, call in the troops and
proclaim himself Ayatollah for life! Oh, I am so confused! )-8
On a brighter note, all the rioting, looting, fires, and murder in
Portland and Seattle have got to be driving up property values on
Orcas -- they certainly are around here. Parking a car overnite on the
street in San Francisco is a no no. If they don't steal that package
on the back seat they just grab the catalytic converter, or maybe the
battery. A friend of ours who lives in a co-op out on the avenues has
given up on seeing her mailbox pried open, and is having a mail slot
installed in her garage door.
In the '74 fuel crisis, people got really strange. I was living in
suburban Maryland and fuel thieves were punching holes in the bottom of
auto fuel tanks to steal gasoline. Really bad news for the auto owner!
There was also a gang using a chain saw to cut through the wall next to
the door and they would clean out valuables before police arrived.
Crime here is pretty minimal. The only thing that I have had stolen was
a pneumatic finish nailer that I had foolishly left in the open back of
my truck. We do have a drug problem however. Mostly meth. Sad!
Frankly, I'm not looking forward to moving to the mainland, postponed
until at least next spring now. Maybe we will have a vaccine by then,
but I'm not holding my breath. Crime rates are higher anywhere we have
been looking.
I met someone from Oak Harbor who spoke highly of it. Not exactly the
big city, but closer to civilization and medical care than Orcas, and
Area Vibes rates the crime A+.
A lot of Californians are headed for Boise. My daughter has been
renting in Boise and has decided to sell her house in Santa Rosa and
make the move permanent.
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
Local officials can ask for help from the federal government if they are
concerned that they cannot control the crowds. No request was made by
Portland or Oregon officials. The assignment of federal "agents" would
have still be OK if they had limited their activities to protecting the
federal court house, but their excursions into Portland, deploying
agents in unmarked SUVs and wearing no identification exceeded their
authority. This elevation of illegal enforcement inflamed the
protestors who were already protesting police enforcement violations and
made a bad situation worse.

"The presence of federal agents in Portland has ratcheted up nightly
protests that had been dying down. Federal officers have arrested people
using unmarked vans, gaining national attention, and many protesters
have been tear gassed and had munitions shot at them.

"On Wednesday, Portland City Council issued an immediate ban for all
Portland police employees to stop cooperating with federal law enforcement."
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/portland-protests-return-for-61st-day-after-weekend-of-large-crowds-clashes-with-officers.html

This is a good example of how peaceful demonstrations can be turned into
riots. The more Trump escalates this, the worse it is going to get.
El Castor
2020-07-28 20:23:47 UTC
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Post by islander
There is an interesting speculative piece in this morning's The
The Real October Surprise: Trump to Drop Out
Mike Pence to run in Trump’s place, following extensive pardon deal
granted Trump by Pence and arranged by Bill Barr.
By Stephen D. Wrage, July 26, 2020
https://www.theglobalist.com/united-states-donald-trump-mike-pence-pardon-resignation-joe-biden-bill-barr-2020-us-presidential-elections/
I'm not holding my breath, but Wrage makes some interesting points to
support his speculation.
1. Trump is too emotionally frail to ride out a November drubbing.
2. Trump is a confidence man — and con men know when a con has run its
course.
3. Trump has become boring and embarrassing.
4. The White House escapade is hurting Trump’s brand.
Frankly, I think that Mike Pence would be even worse than Trump, but in
different ways.
Stephen Wrage is an academic and commentator on international affairs,
specializing in ethics.
But, but, I thought Trump was going to lose, call in the troops and
proclaim himself Ayatollah for life! Oh, I am so confused! )-8
On a brighter note, all the rioting, looting, fires, and murder in
Portland and Seattle have got to be driving up property values on
Orcas -- they certainly are around here. Parking a car overnite on the
street in San Francisco is a no no. If they don't steal that package
on the back seat they just grab the catalytic converter, or maybe the
battery. A friend of ours who lives in a co-op out on the avenues has
given up on seeing her mailbox pried open, and is having a mail slot
installed in her garage door.
In the '74 fuel crisis, people got really strange. I was living in
suburban Maryland and fuel thieves were punching holes in the bottom of
auto fuel tanks to steal gasoline. Really bad news for the auto owner!
There was also a gang using a chain saw to cut through the wall next to
the door and they would clean out valuables before police arrived.
Crime here is pretty minimal. The only thing that I have had stolen was
a pneumatic finish nailer that I had foolishly left in the open back of
my truck. We do have a drug problem however. Mostly meth. Sad!
Frankly, I'm not looking forward to moving to the mainland, postponed
until at least next spring now. Maybe we will have a vaccine by then,
but I'm not holding my breath. Crime rates are higher anywhere we have
been looking.
I met someone from Oak Harbor who spoke highly of it. Not exactly the
big city, but closer to civilization and medical care than Orcas, and
Area Vibes rates the crime A+.
A lot of Californians are headed for Boise. My daughter has been
renting in Boise and has decided to sell her house in Santa Rosa and
make the move permanent.
Post by islander
Trump is, of course, playing up the demonstrations in an attempt to
stimulate voter interest in him as a law-and-order president. Mayors
and Governors are not putting up with it. Serious Constitutional
problems with what he is attempting and it is likely to come back to
bite him.
"Progressives" have burned down the Portland police union building and
are attempting to do the same to the federal courthouse. The mayor and
governor will do nothing to stop them, leaving Trump with no choice
but to send in federal law enforcement. How could you object to that?
Under similar circumstances I would expect Biden to do the same.
Local officials can ask for help from the federal government if they are
concerned that they cannot control the crowds. No request was made by
Portland or Oregon officials. The assignment of federal "agents" would
have still be OK if they had limited their activities to protecting the
federal court house, but their excursions into Portland, deploying
agents in unmarked SUVs and wearing no identification exceeded their
authority. This elevation of illegal enforcement inflamed the
protestors who were already protesting police enforcement violations and
made a bad situation worse.
"The presence of federal agents in Portland has ratcheted up nightly
protests that had been dying down. Federal officers have arrested people
using unmarked vans, gaining national attention, and many protesters
have been tear gassed and had munitions shot at them.
"On Wednesday, Portland City Council issued an immediate ban for all
Portland police employees to stop cooperating with federal law enforcement."
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/portland-protests-return-for-61st-day-after-weekend-of-large-crowds-clashes-with-officers.html
This is a good example of how peaceful demonstrations can be turned into
riots. The more Trump escalates this, the worse it is going to get.
Read my response to Josh. Federal law requires the feds to protect
federal property -- in this case a federal courthouse. They are NOT
required or expected to wait for a request, or for a building to be
burned down. Don't blame Portland on Trump. This is this the kind of
thing your Party condones and makes excuses for.
http://youtu.be/5-6T0TeWs6U
http://youtu.be/AlrK6xKzzmE

As it so happens, ANTIFA is very active in Portland. Here they are at
work on UC Berkeley (state property) when the University agreed to let
a conservative speak on campus. Look familiar? BTW -- Obama was
president at the time.

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