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Boy Scouts Destroyed By Gay Male Predators
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El Castor
2020-11-17 07:53:05 UTC
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The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member, has
been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close to
90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.

Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the Boy
Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for submitting claims
in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117

Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against the
Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was male.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-11-17 16:40:57 UTC
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The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member, has
been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close to
90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the Boy
Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for submitting claims
in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against the
Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the closet.
So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not have helped.
El Castor
2020-11-17 19:25:14 UTC
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Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member, has
been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close to
90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the Boy
Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for submitting claims
in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against the
Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the closet.
So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps someday.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-11-17 19:32:12 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member, has
been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close to
90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the Boy
Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for submitting claims
in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against the
Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the closet.
So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from being
scoutmasters.
El Castor
2020-11-17 19:55:34 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member, has
been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close to
90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the Boy
Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for submitting claims
in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against the
Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the closet.
So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from being
scoutmasters.
I've known and worked with a lot of Gay men, and a couple of Gay
women. What does "out of the closet" mean? Who gets told and when?
Does he wear a lapel pin? I worked with a Gay man. Everyone in the
office knew he was Gay. Certainly the guys in the Gay bar where he had
lunch knew he was gay, but did his wife and two teenage sons know? I
suppose they found out when he left them for another man, and then
died of AIDS. Personally I prefer the zygote solution.
Johnny
2020-11-17 20:13:09 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.

Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
El Castor
2020-11-17 21:06:48 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
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Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
And if they did, what are the odds that liberals would sue them into
oblivion? In any event, would those Gays with an evil intent admit
they were Gay? They should just hire my wife. Her Gaydar exceeds mine.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Some liberals would welcome it. (-8
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-11-17 23:29:36 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
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Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
El Castor
2020-11-18 07:17:49 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
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And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm

I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-11-18 16:03:45 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
All of the following gay men would make fine mentors for boys:

Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
El Castor
2020-11-18 19:30:59 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.

BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-11-18 19:40:35 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
El Castor
2020-11-18 21:46:18 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
Oh? Then why do we see 90,000 sexual molestation lawsuits against the
Boy Scouts and why are Gay males, who make up 2% of the population,
responsible for 64% of US syphilis cases? Straight men have the Rotary
Club while many gay men bask in their NAMBLA and The Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence. NAMBLA, which was headquartered in San
Francisco, has retreated into the shadows, not because of the outrage
of Gay men, but "to avoid local police infiltration". Gay opposition
to NAMBLA does exist, but it largely began in the Lesbian community --
women who objected to the molestation of children. Good for them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association

The AIDS epidemic, when it began, just tore through San Francisco. San
Francisco "bath houses" were places where gay men congregated, not to
bathe, but to have sex -- often as many as 100 sex partners a year.
The city fathers were alarmed by the epidemic and wisely acted to shut
down the bath houses. You would think the Gay community would have
been supportive. They were not, for the most part they were outraged
and fought the order.

Many Gay men as individuals can be exemplary citizens, but as a group
... ouch!
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-11-18 23:40:39 UTC
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 11:40:35 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 08:03:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
Oh? Then why do we see 90,000 sexual molestation lawsuits against the
Boy Scouts and why are Gay males, who make up 2% of the population,
responsible for 64% of US syphilis cases? Straight men have the Rotary
Club while many gay men bask in their NAMBLA and The Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence. NAMBLA, which was headquartered in San
Francisco, has retreated into the shadows, not because of the outrage
of Gay men, but "to avoid local police infiltration". Gay opposition
to NAMBLA does exist, but it largely began in the Lesbian community --
women who objected to the molestation of children. Good for them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Your continued insistence that sexual molestation and NAMBLA is
acceptable to gay men is bizarre.
Post by El Castor
The AIDS epidemic, when it began, just tore through San Francisco. San
Francisco "bath houses" were places where gay men congregated, not to
bathe, but to have sex -- often as many as 100 sex partners a year.
The city fathers were alarmed by the epidemic and wisely acted to shut
down the bath houses. You would think the Gay community would have
been supportive. They were not, for the most part they were outraged
and fought the order.
Many Gay men as individuals can be exemplary citizens, but as a group
... ouch!
I agree that gay men ignoring AIDS at first was wrong. Sometimes, people
have to learn the hard way, including those who now downplay COVID-19.
El Castor
2020-11-19 04:49:34 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 11:40:35 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 08:03:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
Oh? Then why do we see 90,000 sexual molestation lawsuits against the
Boy Scouts and why are Gay males, who make up 2% of the population,
responsible for 64% of US syphilis cases? Straight men have the Rotary
Club while many gay men bask in their NAMBLA and The Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence. NAMBLA, which was headquartered in San
Francisco, has retreated into the shadows, not because of the outrage
of Gay men, but "to avoid local police infiltration". Gay opposition
to NAMBLA does exist, but it largely began in the Lesbian community --
women who objected to the molestation of children. Good for them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Your continued insistence that sexual molestation and NAMBLA is
acceptable to gay men is bizarre.
Post by El Castor
The AIDS epidemic, when it began, just tore through San Francisco. San
Francisco "bath houses" were places where gay men congregated, not to
bathe, but to have sex -- often as many as 100 sex partners a year.
The city fathers were alarmed by the epidemic and wisely acted to shut
down the bath houses. You would think the Gay community would have
been supportive. They were not, for the most part they were outraged
and fought the order.
Many Gay men as individuals can be exemplary citizens, but as a group
... ouch!
I agree that gay men ignoring AIDS at first was wrong. Sometimes, people
have to learn the hard way, including those who now downplay COVID-19.
Oh? Have they learned? 30 years later 68% of those contracting AIDS
are MSM.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-11-19 05:32:14 UTC
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:40:39 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 11:40:35 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 08:03:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
Oh? Then why do we see 90,000 sexual molestation lawsuits against the
Boy Scouts and why are Gay males, who make up 2% of the population,
responsible for 64% of US syphilis cases? Straight men have the Rotary
Club while many gay men bask in their NAMBLA and The Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence. NAMBLA, which was headquartered in San
Francisco, has retreated into the shadows, not because of the outrage
of Gay men, but "to avoid local police infiltration". Gay opposition
to NAMBLA does exist, but it largely began in the Lesbian community --
women who objected to the molestation of children. Good for them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Your continued insistence that sexual molestation and NAMBLA is
acceptable to gay men is bizarre.
Post by El Castor
The AIDS epidemic, when it began, just tore through San Francisco. San
Francisco "bath houses" were places where gay men congregated, not to
bathe, but to have sex -- often as many as 100 sex partners a year.
The city fathers were alarmed by the epidemic and wisely acted to shut
down the bath houses. You would think the Gay community would have
been supportive. They were not, for the most part they were outraged
and fought the order.
Many Gay men as individuals can be exemplary citizens, but as a group
... ouch!
I agree that gay men ignoring AIDS at first was wrong. Sometimes, people
have to learn the hard way, including those who now downplay COVID-19.
Oh? Have they learned? 30 years later 68% of those contracting AIDS
are MSM.
That's because HIV is easier to transmit in anal sex than vaginal sex.
New infections are far lower than in the 1908's and the disease is now
manageable.
El Castor
2020-11-20 05:19:12 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:40:39 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 11:40:35 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 08:03:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
Oh? Then why do we see 90,000 sexual molestation lawsuits against the
Boy Scouts and why are Gay males, who make up 2% of the population,
responsible for 64% of US syphilis cases? Straight men have the Rotary
Club while many gay men bask in their NAMBLA and The Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence. NAMBLA, which was headquartered in San
Francisco, has retreated into the shadows, not because of the outrage
of Gay men, but "to avoid local police infiltration". Gay opposition
to NAMBLA does exist, but it largely began in the Lesbian community --
women who objected to the molestation of children. Good for them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Your continued insistence that sexual molestation and NAMBLA is
acceptable to gay men is bizarre.
Post by El Castor
The AIDS epidemic, when it began, just tore through San Francisco. San
Francisco "bath houses" were places where gay men congregated, not to
bathe, but to have sex -- often as many as 100 sex partners a year.
The city fathers were alarmed by the epidemic and wisely acted to shut
down the bath houses. You would think the Gay community would have
been supportive. They were not, for the most part they were outraged
and fought the order.
Many Gay men as individuals can be exemplary citizens, but as a group
... ouch!
I agree that gay men ignoring AIDS at first was wrong. Sometimes, people
have to learn the hard way, including those who now downplay COVID-19.
Oh? Have they learned? 30 years later 68% of those contracting AIDS
are MSM.
That's because HIV is easier to transmit in anal sex than vaginal sex.
New infections are far lower than in the 1908's and the disease is now
manageable.
Same numbers for syphilis, and other venereal diseases. Too bad for
the Boy Scouts, and countless choir boys, that their problem isn't
"manageable". The only solution for the gay male problem will some day
be genetics.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-11-20 15:48:50 UTC
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:32:14 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:40:39 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 11:40:35 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 08:03:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
Oh? Then why do we see 90,000 sexual molestation lawsuits against the
Boy Scouts and why are Gay males, who make up 2% of the population,
responsible for 64% of US syphilis cases? Straight men have the Rotary
Club while many gay men bask in their NAMBLA and The Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence. NAMBLA, which was headquartered in San
Francisco, has retreated into the shadows, not because of the outrage
of Gay men, but "to avoid local police infiltration". Gay opposition
to NAMBLA does exist, but it largely began in the Lesbian community --
women who objected to the molestation of children. Good for them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Your continued insistence that sexual molestation and NAMBLA is
acceptable to gay men is bizarre.
Post by El Castor
The AIDS epidemic, when it began, just tore through San Francisco. San
Francisco "bath houses" were places where gay men congregated, not to
bathe, but to have sex -- often as many as 100 sex partners a year.
The city fathers were alarmed by the epidemic and wisely acted to shut
down the bath houses. You would think the Gay community would have
been supportive. They were not, for the most part they were outraged
and fought the order.
Many Gay men as individuals can be exemplary citizens, but as a group
... ouch!
I agree that gay men ignoring AIDS at first was wrong. Sometimes, people
have to learn the hard way, including those who now downplay COVID-19.
Oh? Have they learned? 30 years later 68% of those contracting AIDS
are MSM.
That's because HIV is easier to transmit in anal sex than vaginal sex.
New infections are far lower than in the 1908's and the disease is now
manageable.
Same numbers for syphilis, and other venereal diseases.
Greater STD rates among gay men is likely a male thing, not a gay thing.
If straight men could find willing partners, they too would be promiscuous.
Post by El Castor
Too bad for
the Boy Scouts, and countless choir boys, that their problem isn't
"manageable".
What is your proposed solution for the sex abuse problems in the Scouts
and the Church?
Post by El Castor
The only solution for the gay male problem will some day
be genetics.
Say what?
El Castor
2020-11-20 18:31:52 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:32:14 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:40:39 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 11:40:35 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 08:03:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
Oh? Then why do we see 90,000 sexual molestation lawsuits against the
Boy Scouts and why are Gay males, who make up 2% of the population,
responsible for 64% of US syphilis cases? Straight men have the Rotary
Club while many gay men bask in their NAMBLA and The Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence. NAMBLA, which was headquartered in San
Francisco, has retreated into the shadows, not because of the outrage
of Gay men, but "to avoid local police infiltration". Gay opposition
to NAMBLA does exist, but it largely began in the Lesbian community --
women who objected to the molestation of children. Good for them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Your continued insistence that sexual molestation and NAMBLA is
acceptable to gay men is bizarre.
Post by El Castor
The AIDS epidemic, when it began, just tore through San Francisco. San
Francisco "bath houses" were places where gay men congregated, not to
bathe, but to have sex -- often as many as 100 sex partners a year.
The city fathers were alarmed by the epidemic and wisely acted to shut
down the bath houses. You would think the Gay community would have
been supportive. They were not, for the most part they were outraged
and fought the order.
Many Gay men as individuals can be exemplary citizens, but as a group
... ouch!
I agree that gay men ignoring AIDS at first was wrong. Sometimes, people
have to learn the hard way, including those who now downplay COVID-19.
Oh? Have they learned? 30 years later 68% of those contracting AIDS
are MSM.
That's because HIV is easier to transmit in anal sex than vaginal sex.
New infections are far lower than in the 1908's and the disease is now
manageable.
Same numbers for syphilis, and other venereal diseases.
Greater STD rates among gay men is likely a male thing, not a gay thing.
If straight men could find willing partners, they too would be promiscuous.
Exactly! Human evolution gave us females who make choices. Gays are an
evolutionary abnormality, and in the case of Gay males, a potentially
harmful abnormality.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Too bad for
the Boy Scouts, and countless choir boys, that their problem isn't
"manageable".
What is your proposed solution for the sex abuse problems in the Scouts
and the Church?
Other than genetics and technology, what solution do we have for
rapists and child molesters -- imprisonment. Unfortunately that can
only come after the fact.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The only solution for the gay male problem will some day
be genetics.
Say what?
Abortion, or at some point in the not too distant future gay zygotes
will be "edited" or simply discarded and not get implanted. Humanity
does not need, or want, Tay-Sachs Disease, Sickle Cell Anemia, 70 IQs,
or Gay Males spreading disease.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-11-20 19:16:04 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 07:48:50 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:32:14 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:40:39 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 11:40:35 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 08:03:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
Oh? Then why do we see 90,000 sexual molestation lawsuits against the
Boy Scouts and why are Gay males, who make up 2% of the population,
responsible for 64% of US syphilis cases? Straight men have the Rotary
Club while many gay men bask in their NAMBLA and The Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence. NAMBLA, which was headquartered in San
Francisco, has retreated into the shadows, not because of the outrage
of Gay men, but "to avoid local police infiltration". Gay opposition
to NAMBLA does exist, but it largely began in the Lesbian community --
women who objected to the molestation of children. Good for them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Your continued insistence that sexual molestation and NAMBLA is
acceptable to gay men is bizarre.
Post by El Castor
The AIDS epidemic, when it began, just tore through San Francisco. San
Francisco "bath houses" were places where gay men congregated, not to
bathe, but to have sex -- often as many as 100 sex partners a year.
The city fathers were alarmed by the epidemic and wisely acted to shut
down the bath houses. You would think the Gay community would have
been supportive. They were not, for the most part they were outraged
and fought the order.
Many Gay men as individuals can be exemplary citizens, but as a group
... ouch!
I agree that gay men ignoring AIDS at first was wrong. Sometimes, people
have to learn the hard way, including those who now downplay COVID-19.
Oh? Have they learned? 30 years later 68% of those contracting AIDS
are MSM.
That's because HIV is easier to transmit in anal sex than vaginal sex.
New infections are far lower than in the 1908's and the disease is now
manageable.
Same numbers for syphilis, and other venereal diseases.
Greater STD rates among gay men is likely a male thing, not a gay thing.
If straight men could find willing partners, they too would be promiscuous.
Exactly! Human evolution gave us females who make choices. Gays are an
evolutionary abnormality, and in the case of Gay males, a potentially
harmful abnormality.
If you are right, gays would be genetically weeded out. But, there is no
sign of that.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Too bad for
the Boy Scouts, and countless choir boys, that their problem isn't
"manageable".
What is your proposed solution for the sex abuse problems in the Scouts
and the Church?
Other than genetics and technology, what solution do we have for
rapists and child molesters -- imprisonment. Unfortunately that can
only come after the fact.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The only solution for the gay male problem will some day
be genetics.
Say what?
Abortion, or at some point in the not too distant future gay zygotes
will be "edited" or simply discarded and not get implanted. Humanity
does not need, or want, Tay-Sachs Disease, Sickle Cell Anemia, 70 IQs,
or Gay Males spreading disease.
By governmental decree? By peer pressure?
El Castor
2020-11-20 20:35:44 UTC
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:16:04 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 07:48:50 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:32:14 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:40:39 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 11:40:35 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 08:03:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
Oh? Then why do we see 90,000 sexual molestation lawsuits against the
Boy Scouts and why are Gay males, who make up 2% of the population,
responsible for 64% of US syphilis cases? Straight men have the Rotary
Club while many gay men bask in their NAMBLA and The Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence. NAMBLA, which was headquartered in San
Francisco, has retreated into the shadows, not because of the outrage
of Gay men, but "to avoid local police infiltration". Gay opposition
to NAMBLA does exist, but it largely began in the Lesbian community --
women who objected to the molestation of children. Good for them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Your continued insistence that sexual molestation and NAMBLA is
acceptable to gay men is bizarre.
Post by El Castor
The AIDS epidemic, when it began, just tore through San Francisco. San
Francisco "bath houses" were places where gay men congregated, not to
bathe, but to have sex -- often as many as 100 sex partners a year.
The city fathers were alarmed by the epidemic and wisely acted to shut
down the bath houses. You would think the Gay community would have
been supportive. They were not, for the most part they were outraged
and fought the order.
Many Gay men as individuals can be exemplary citizens, but as a group
... ouch!
I agree that gay men ignoring AIDS at first was wrong. Sometimes, people
have to learn the hard way, including those who now downplay COVID-19.
Oh? Have they learned? 30 years later 68% of those contracting AIDS
are MSM.
That's because HIV is easier to transmit in anal sex than vaginal sex.
New infections are far lower than in the 1908's and the disease is now
manageable.
Same numbers for syphilis, and other venereal diseases.
Greater STD rates among gay men is likely a male thing, not a gay thing.
If straight men could find willing partners, they too would be promiscuous.
Exactly! Human evolution gave us females who make choices. Gays are an
evolutionary abnormality, and in the case of Gay males, a potentially
harmful abnormality.
If you are right, gays would be genetically weeded out. But, there is no
sign of that.
Not yet, but there is current research on the subject of zygote
evaluation as a means, among other things, of avoiding genetic
disease. Assuming it can be used to predict homosexuality, I suspect
most heterosexual parents would prefer not to have a homosexual child.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Too bad for
the Boy Scouts, and countless choir boys, that their problem isn't
"manageable".
What is your proposed solution for the sex abuse problems in the Scouts
and the Church?
Other than genetics and technology, what solution do we have for
rapists and child molesters -- imprisonment. Unfortunately that can
only come after the fact.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The only solution for the gay male problem will some day
be genetics.
Say what?
Abortion, or at some point in the not too distant future gay zygotes
will be "edited" or simply discarded and not get implanted. Humanity
does not need, or want, Tay-Sachs Disease, Sickle Cell Anemia, 70 IQs,
or Gay Males spreading disease.
By governmental decree? By peer pressure?
By parental preference.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-11-20 23:27:05 UTC
Reply
Permalink
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:16:04 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 07:48:50 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:32:14 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:40:39 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 11:40:35 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 08:03:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
Oh? Then why do we see 90,000 sexual molestation lawsuits against the
Boy Scouts and why are Gay males, who make up 2% of the population,
responsible for 64% of US syphilis cases? Straight men have the Rotary
Club while many gay men bask in their NAMBLA and The Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence. NAMBLA, which was headquartered in San
Francisco, has retreated into the shadows, not because of the outrage
of Gay men, but "to avoid local police infiltration". Gay opposition
to NAMBLA does exist, but it largely began in the Lesbian community --
women who objected to the molestation of children. Good for them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Your continued insistence that sexual molestation and NAMBLA is
acceptable to gay men is bizarre.
Post by El Castor
The AIDS epidemic, when it began, just tore through San Francisco. San
Francisco "bath houses" were places where gay men congregated, not to
bathe, but to have sex -- often as many as 100 sex partners a year.
The city fathers were alarmed by the epidemic and wisely acted to shut
down the bath houses. You would think the Gay community would have
been supportive. They were not, for the most part they were outraged
and fought the order.
Many Gay men as individuals can be exemplary citizens, but as a group
... ouch!
I agree that gay men ignoring AIDS at first was wrong. Sometimes, people
have to learn the hard way, including those who now downplay COVID-19.
Oh? Have they learned? 30 years later 68% of those contracting AIDS
are MSM.
That's because HIV is easier to transmit in anal sex than vaginal sex.
New infections are far lower than in the 1908's and the disease is now
manageable.
Same numbers for syphilis, and other venereal diseases.
Greater STD rates among gay men is likely a male thing, not a gay thing.
If straight men could find willing partners, they too would be promiscuous.
Exactly! Human evolution gave us females who make choices. Gays are an
evolutionary abnormality, and in the case of Gay males, a potentially
harmful abnormality.
If you are right, gays would be genetically weeded out. But, there is no
sign of that.
Not yet, but there is current research on the subject of zygote
evaluation as a means, among other things, of avoiding genetic
disease. Assuming it can be used to predict homosexuality, I suspect
most heterosexual parents would prefer not to have a homosexual child.
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Too bad for
the Boy Scouts, and countless choir boys, that their problem isn't
"manageable".
What is your proposed solution for the sex abuse problems in the Scouts
and the Church?
Other than genetics and technology, what solution do we have for
rapists and child molesters -- imprisonment. Unfortunately that can
only come after the fact.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The only solution for the gay male problem will some day
be genetics.
Say what?
Abortion, or at some point in the not too distant future gay zygotes
will be "edited" or simply discarded and not get implanted. Humanity
does not need, or want, Tay-Sachs Disease, Sickle Cell Anemia, 70 IQs,
or Gay Males spreading disease.
By governmental decree? By peer pressure?
By parental preference.
It's a good thing we need men to procreate or else these parents would
abort male zygotes.
El Castor
2020-11-21 08:02:44 UTC
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:16:04 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 07:48:50 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:32:14 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:40:39 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 11:40:35 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 08:03:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
Oh? Then why do we see 90,000 sexual molestation lawsuits against the
Boy Scouts and why are Gay males, who make up 2% of the population,
responsible for 64% of US syphilis cases? Straight men have the Rotary
Club while many gay men bask in their NAMBLA and The Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence. NAMBLA, which was headquartered in San
Francisco, has retreated into the shadows, not because of the outrage
of Gay men, but "to avoid local police infiltration". Gay opposition
to NAMBLA does exist, but it largely began in the Lesbian community --
women who objected to the molestation of children. Good for them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Your continued insistence that sexual molestation and NAMBLA is
acceptable to gay men is bizarre.
Post by El Castor
The AIDS epidemic, when it began, just tore through San Francisco. San
Francisco "bath houses" were places where gay men congregated, not to
bathe, but to have sex -- often as many as 100 sex partners a year.
The city fathers were alarmed by the epidemic and wisely acted to shut
down the bath houses. You would think the Gay community would have
been supportive. They were not, for the most part they were outraged
and fought the order.
Many Gay men as individuals can be exemplary citizens, but as a group
... ouch!
I agree that gay men ignoring AIDS at first was wrong. Sometimes, people
have to learn the hard way, including those who now downplay COVID-19.
Oh? Have they learned? 30 years later 68% of those contracting AIDS
are MSM.
That's because HIV is easier to transmit in anal sex than vaginal sex.
New infections are far lower than in the 1908's and the disease is now
manageable.
Same numbers for syphilis, and other venereal diseases.
Greater STD rates among gay men is likely a male thing, not a gay thing.
If straight men could find willing partners, they too would be promiscuous.
Exactly! Human evolution gave us females who make choices. Gays are an
evolutionary abnormality, and in the case of Gay males, a potentially
harmful abnormality.
If you are right, gays would be genetically weeded out. But, there is no
sign of that.
Not yet, but there is current research on the subject of zygote
evaluation as a means, among other things, of avoiding genetic
disease. Assuming it can be used to predict homosexuality, I suspect
most heterosexual parents would prefer not to have a homosexual child.
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Since Gay men tend not to procreate (although I knew one who
apparently did) we would not expect homosexual genetics to be passed
on, but since there is a fairly consistent Gay birth rate it is
reasonable to assume that homosexuality must be a random genetic
variation -- a product of genetically normal parents.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Too bad for
the Boy Scouts, and countless choir boys, that their problem isn't
"manageable".
What is your proposed solution for the sex abuse problems in the Scouts
and the Church?
Other than genetics and technology, what solution do we have for
rapists and child molesters -- imprisonment. Unfortunately that can
only come after the fact.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The only solution for the gay male problem will some day
be genetics.
Say what?
Abortion, or at some point in the not too distant future gay zygotes
will be "edited" or simply discarded and not get implanted. Humanity
does not need, or want, Tay-Sachs Disease, Sickle Cell Anemia, 70 IQs,
or Gay Males spreading disease.
By governmental decree? By peer pressure?
By parental preference.
It's a good thing we need men to procreate or else these parents would
abort male zygotes.
We do need men to procreate, but procreation can get along just fine
without Gay Males.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-11-21 17:00:59 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:27:05 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:16:04 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 07:48:50 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:32:14 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:40:39 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 11:40:35 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 08:03:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
Oh? Then why do we see 90,000 sexual molestation lawsuits against the
Boy Scouts and why are Gay males, who make up 2% of the population,
responsible for 64% of US syphilis cases? Straight men have the Rotary
Club while many gay men bask in their NAMBLA and The Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence. NAMBLA, which was headquartered in San
Francisco, has retreated into the shadows, not because of the outrage
of Gay men, but "to avoid local police infiltration". Gay opposition
to NAMBLA does exist, but it largely began in the Lesbian community --
women who objected to the molestation of children. Good for them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Your continued insistence that sexual molestation and NAMBLA is
acceptable to gay men is bizarre.
Post by El Castor
The AIDS epidemic, when it began, just tore through San Francisco. San
Francisco "bath houses" were places where gay men congregated, not to
bathe, but to have sex -- often as many as 100 sex partners a year.
The city fathers were alarmed by the epidemic and wisely acted to shut
down the bath houses. You would think the Gay community would have
been supportive. They were not, for the most part they were outraged
and fought the order.
Many Gay men as individuals can be exemplary citizens, but as a group
... ouch!
I agree that gay men ignoring AIDS at first was wrong. Sometimes, people
have to learn the hard way, including those who now downplay COVID-19.
Oh? Have they learned? 30 years later 68% of those contracting AIDS
are MSM.
That's because HIV is easier to transmit in anal sex than vaginal sex.
New infections are far lower than in the 1908's and the disease is now
manageable.
Same numbers for syphilis, and other venereal diseases.
Greater STD rates among gay men is likely a male thing, not a gay thing.
If straight men could find willing partners, they too would be promiscuous.
Exactly! Human evolution gave us females who make choices. Gays are an
evolutionary abnormality, and in the case of Gay males, a potentially
harmful abnormality.
If you are right, gays would be genetically weeded out. But, there is no
sign of that.
Not yet, but there is current research on the subject of zygote
evaluation as a means, among other things, of avoiding genetic
disease. Assuming it can be used to predict homosexuality, I suspect
most heterosexual parents would prefer not to have a homosexual child.
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Since Gay men tend not to procreate (although I knew one who
apparently did) we would not expect homosexual genetics to be passed
on, but since there is a fairly consistent Gay birth rate it is
reasonable to assume that homosexuality must be a random genetic
variation -- a product of genetically normal parents.
Right! Which means it is a trait that helps with the survival of the
species (gay is good). I don't why, but that's what Darwin says.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Too bad for
the Boy Scouts, and countless choir boys, that their problem isn't
"manageable".
What is your proposed solution for the sex abuse problems in the Scouts
and the Church?
Other than genetics and technology, what solution do we have for
rapists and child molesters -- imprisonment. Unfortunately that can
only come after the fact.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The only solution for the gay male problem will some day
be genetics.
Say what?
Abortion, or at some point in the not too distant future gay zygotes
will be "edited" or simply discarded and not get implanted. Humanity
does not need, or want, Tay-Sachs Disease, Sickle Cell Anemia, 70 IQs,
or Gay Males spreading disease.
By governmental decree? By peer pressure?
By parental preference.
It's a good thing we need men to procreate or else these parents would
abort male zygotes.
We do need men to procreate, but procreation can get along just fine
without Gay Males.
El Castor
2020-11-21 20:11:08 UTC
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:27:05 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:16:04 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 07:48:50 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:32:14 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:40:39 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 11:40:35 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 08:03:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
Oh? Then why do we see 90,000 sexual molestation lawsuits against the
Boy Scouts and why are Gay males, who make up 2% of the population,
responsible for 64% of US syphilis cases? Straight men have the Rotary
Club while many gay men bask in their NAMBLA and The Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence. NAMBLA, which was headquartered in San
Francisco, has retreated into the shadows, not because of the outrage
of Gay men, but "to avoid local police infiltration". Gay opposition
to NAMBLA does exist, but it largely began in the Lesbian community --
women who objected to the molestation of children. Good for them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Your continued insistence that sexual molestation and NAMBLA is
acceptable to gay men is bizarre.
Post by El Castor
The AIDS epidemic, when it began, just tore through San Francisco. San
Francisco "bath houses" were places where gay men congregated, not to
bathe, but to have sex -- often as many as 100 sex partners a year.
The city fathers were alarmed by the epidemic and wisely acted to shut
down the bath houses. You would think the Gay community would have
been supportive. They were not, for the most part they were outraged
and fought the order.
Many Gay men as individuals can be exemplary citizens, but as a group
... ouch!
I agree that gay men ignoring AIDS at first was wrong. Sometimes, people
have to learn the hard way, including those who now downplay COVID-19.
Oh? Have they learned? 30 years later 68% of those contracting AIDS
are MSM.
That's because HIV is easier to transmit in anal sex than vaginal sex.
New infections are far lower than in the 1908's and the disease is now
manageable.
Same numbers for syphilis, and other venereal diseases.
Greater STD rates among gay men is likely a male thing, not a gay thing.
If straight men could find willing partners, they too would be promiscuous.
Exactly! Human evolution gave us females who make choices. Gays are an
evolutionary abnormality, and in the case of Gay males, a potentially
harmful abnormality.
If you are right, gays would be genetically weeded out. But, there is no
sign of that.
Not yet, but there is current research on the subject of zygote
evaluation as a means, among other things, of avoiding genetic
disease. Assuming it can be used to predict homosexuality, I suspect
most heterosexual parents would prefer not to have a homosexual child.
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Since Gay men tend not to procreate (although I knew one who
apparently did) we would not expect homosexual genetics to be passed
on, but since there is a fairly consistent Gay birth rate it is
reasonable to assume that homosexuality must be a random genetic
variation -- a product of genetically normal parents.
Right! Which means it is a trait that helps with the survival of the
species (gay is good). I don't why, but that's what Darwin says.
I'm sure the species will do quite well without Sickle Cell Anemia,
Tay Sachs Disease, and the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. In any
event there are already far too many of us. Many more and you might
find yourself eating your shoe.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Too bad for
the Boy Scouts, and countless choir boys, that their problem isn't
"manageable".
What is your proposed solution for the sex abuse problems in the Scouts
and the Church?
Other than genetics and technology, what solution do we have for
rapists and child molesters -- imprisonment. Unfortunately that can
only come after the fact.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The only solution for the gay male problem will some day
be genetics.
Say what?
Abortion, or at some point in the not too distant future gay zygotes
will be "edited" or simply discarded and not get implanted. Humanity
does not need, or want, Tay-Sachs Disease, Sickle Cell Anemia, 70 IQs,
or Gay Males spreading disease.
By governmental decree? By peer pressure?
By parental preference.
It's a good thing we need men to procreate or else these parents would
abort male zygotes.
We do need men to procreate, but procreation can get along just fine
without Gay Males.
islander
2020-11-22 01:03:19 UTC
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:27:05 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Since Gay men tend not to procreate (although I knew one who
apparently did) we would not expect homosexual genetics to be passed
on, but since there is a fairly consistent Gay birth rate it is
reasonable to assume that homosexuality must be a random genetic
variation -- a product of genetically normal parents.
Right! Which means it is a trait that helps with the survival of the
species (gay is good). I don't why, but that's what Darwin says.
You might find the following article by Jeremy Yoder illuminating in
describing how homosexuality can exist within the theory of evolution.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-intelligent-homosexuals-guide-to-natural-selection-and-evolution-with-a-key-to-many-complicating-factors/

The bottom line is that homosexuality has existed for a very long time
in populations both large and small, yet it has persisted. Why?
Perhaps because it produces no harm.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
We do need men to procreate, but procreation can get along just fine
without Gay Males.
El Castor
2020-11-22 07:25:41 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:27:05 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Since Gay men tend not to procreate (although I knew one who
apparently did) we would not expect homosexual genetics to be passed
on, but since there is a fairly consistent Gay birth rate it is
reasonable to assume that homosexuality must be a random genetic
variation -- a product of genetically normal parents.
Right! Which means it is a trait that helps with the survival of the
species (gay is good). I don't why, but that's what Darwin says.
You might find the following article by Jeremy Yoder illuminating in
describing how homosexuality can exist within the theory of evolution.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-intelligent-homosexuals-guide-to-natural-selection-and-evolution-with-a-key-to-many-complicating-factors/
The bottom line is that homosexuality has existed for a very long time
in populations both large and small, yet it has persisted. Why?
Perhaps because it produces no harm.
Produces no harm? I'm not sure that countless Boy Scouts and Choir
Boys, their lives haunted by a mixture of loathing and guilt, would
agree with you. And then there are more than a million who have died
of AIDS and Hepatitis C, many of whom were not Gay.
Post by islander
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
We do need men to procreate, but procreation can get along just fine
without Gay Males.
islander
2020-11-22 16:19:19 UTC
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Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:27:05 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Since Gay men tend not to procreate (although I knew one who
apparently did) we would not expect homosexual genetics to be passed
on, but since there is a fairly consistent Gay birth rate it is
reasonable to assume that homosexuality must be a random genetic
variation -- a product of genetically normal parents.
Right! Which means it is a trait that helps with the survival of the
species (gay is good). I don't why, but that's what Darwin says.
You might find the following article by Jeremy Yoder illuminating in
describing how homosexuality can exist within the theory of evolution.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-intelligent-homosexuals-guide-to-natural-selection-and-evolution-with-a-key-to-many-complicating-factors/
The bottom line is that homosexuality has existed for a very long time
in populations both large and small, yet it has persisted. Why?
Perhaps because it produces no harm.
Produces no harm? I'm not sure that countless Boy Scouts and Choir
Boys, their lives haunted by a mixture of loathing and guilt, would
agree with you. And then there are more than a million who have died
of AIDS and Hepatitis C, many of whom were not Gay.
You are describing pedophilia. Blaming this on homosexuality is the
equivalent of blaming child abuse on heterosexuality.
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
We do need men to procreate, but procreation can get along just fine
without Gay Males.
El Castor
2020-11-22 19:45:46 UTC
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Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:27:05 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Since Gay men tend not to procreate (although I knew one who
apparently did) we would not expect homosexual genetics to be passed
on, but since there is a fairly consistent Gay birth rate it is
reasonable to assume that homosexuality must be a random genetic
variation -- a product of genetically normal parents.
Right! Which means it is a trait that helps with the survival of the
species (gay is good). I don't why, but that's what Darwin says.
You might find the following article by Jeremy Yoder illuminating in
describing how homosexuality can exist within the theory of evolution.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-intelligent-homosexuals-guide-to-natural-selection-and-evolution-with-a-key-to-many-complicating-factors/
The bottom line is that homosexuality has existed for a very long time
in populations both large and small, yet it has persisted. Why?
Perhaps because it produces no harm.
Produces no harm? I'm not sure that countless Boy Scouts and Choir
Boys, their lives haunted by a mixture of loathing and guilt, would
agree with you. And then there are more than a million who have died
of AIDS and Hepatitis C, many of whom were not Gay.
You are describing pedophilia. Blaming this on homosexuality is the
equivalent of blaming child abuse on heterosexuality.
Well, why not? Seems fair. Heterosexual males have not created their
own version of NAMBLA, and homosexual women have not destroyed the
Girl Scouts or shamed nuns.
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
We do need men to procreate, but procreation can get along just fine
without Gay Males.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-11-22 20:47:03 UTC
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Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:27:05 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Since Gay men tend not to procreate (although I knew one who
apparently did) we would not expect homosexual genetics to be passed
on, but since there is a fairly consistent Gay birth rate it is
reasonable to assume that homosexuality must be a random genetic
variation -- a product of genetically normal parents.
Right! Which means it is a trait that helps with the survival of the
species (gay is good). I don't why, but that's what Darwin says.
You might find the following article by Jeremy Yoder illuminating in
describing how homosexuality can exist within the theory of evolution.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-intelligent-homosexuals-guide-to-natural-selection-and-evolution-with-a-key-to-many-complicating-factors/
The bottom line is that homosexuality has existed for a very long time
in populations both large and small, yet it has persisted. Why?
Perhaps because it produces no harm.
Produces no harm? I'm not sure that countless Boy Scouts and Choir
Boys, their lives haunted by a mixture of loathing and guilt, would
agree with you. And then there are more than a million who have died
of AIDS and Hepatitis C, many of whom were not Gay.
You are describing pedophilia. Blaming this on homosexuality is the
equivalent of blaming child abuse on heterosexuality.
Well, why not? Seems fair. Heterosexual males have not created their
own version of NAMBLA, and homosexual women have not destroyed the
Girl Scouts or shamed nuns.
Closeted (i.e., self-hating) gay men are the abusers. So, the problem is
not in being gay. It's the stigma associated with being gay that
persuades people to hate themselves. Fortunately, we have seen a sea
change in recent times and those days are likely behind us.

Nuns are not being shamed. The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are
political satire directed against Catholic doctrine directed at gays
that brings on the stigma mentioned above.
El Castor
2020-11-23 00:59:51 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:27:05 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Since Gay men tend not to procreate (although I knew one who
apparently did) we would not expect homosexual genetics to be passed
on, but since there is a fairly consistent Gay birth rate it is
reasonable to assume that homosexuality must be a random genetic
variation -- a product of genetically normal parents.
Right! Which means it is a trait that helps with the survival of the
species (gay is good). I don't why, but that's what Darwin says.
You might find the following article by Jeremy Yoder illuminating in
describing how homosexuality can exist within the theory of evolution.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-intelligent-homosexuals-guide-to-natural-selection-and-evolution-with-a-key-to-many-complicating-factors/
The bottom line is that homosexuality has existed for a very long time
in populations both large and small, yet it has persisted. Why?
Perhaps because it produces no harm.
Produces no harm? I'm not sure that countless Boy Scouts and Choir
Boys, their lives haunted by a mixture of loathing and guilt, would
agree with you. And then there are more than a million who have died
of AIDS and Hepatitis C, many of whom were not Gay.
You are describing pedophilia. Blaming this on homosexuality is the
equivalent of blaming child abuse on heterosexuality.
Well, why not? Seems fair. Heterosexual males have not created their
own version of NAMBLA, and homosexual women have not destroyed the
Girl Scouts or shamed nuns.
Closeted (i.e., self-hating) gay men are the abusers. So, the problem is
not in being gay. It's the stigma associated with being gay that
persuades people to hate themselves. Fortunately, we have seen a sea
change in recent times and those days are likely behind us.
Behind us? Oh, really. Nambla still exists, if in an underground
state. In researching this subject I discovered there is considerable
boy oriented pedophile activity on the Internet. Do a search for
"Boychat".

As for "closeted" Gay males, I worked with many Gay men for more than
30 years, I can assure you that in person they are easy to spot --
they advertise their sexuality with a variety of feminine mannerisms
and vocal clues. The ability to recognize this is known as Gaydar. The
closet thing is a joke. Their friends and co-workers all knew -- mama
and papa perhaps being an exception, but even that I doubt.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Nuns are not being shamed. The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are
political satire directed against Catholic doctrine directed at gays
that brings on the stigma mentioned above.
The Sisters are a sideshow. The stigma I was referring to is a product
of the more than 3,000 priests and other clergy who were defrocked or
otherwise penalized for the sexual abuse of children. I'd add that
this abuse was not limited to the United States, it was worldwide.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-11-23 01:56:40 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 12:47:03 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:27:05 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Since Gay men tend not to procreate (although I knew one who
apparently did) we would not expect homosexual genetics to be passed
on, but since there is a fairly consistent Gay birth rate it is
reasonable to assume that homosexuality must be a random genetic
variation -- a product of genetically normal parents.
Right! Which means it is a trait that helps with the survival of the
species (gay is good). I don't why, but that's what Darwin says.
You might find the following article by Jeremy Yoder illuminating in
describing how homosexuality can exist within the theory of evolution.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-intelligent-homosexuals-guide-to-natural-selection-and-evolution-with-a-key-to-many-complicating-factors/
The bottom line is that homosexuality has existed for a very long time
in populations both large and small, yet it has persisted. Why?
Perhaps because it produces no harm.
Produces no harm? I'm not sure that countless Boy Scouts and Choir
Boys, their lives haunted by a mixture of loathing and guilt, would
agree with you. And then there are more than a million who have died
of AIDS and Hepatitis C, many of whom were not Gay.
You are describing pedophilia. Blaming this on homosexuality is the
equivalent of blaming child abuse on heterosexuality.
Well, why not? Seems fair. Heterosexual males have not created their
own version of NAMBLA, and homosexual women have not destroyed the
Girl Scouts or shamed nuns.
Closeted (i.e., self-hating) gay men are the abusers. So, the problem is
not in being gay. It's the stigma associated with being gay that
persuades people to hate themselves. Fortunately, we have seen a sea
change in recent times and those days are likely behind us.
Behind us? Oh, really. Nambla still exists, if in an underground
state. In researching this subject I discovered there is considerable
boy oriented pedophile activity on the Internet. Do a search for
"Boychat".
As for "closeted" Gay males, I worked with many Gay men for more than
30 years, I can assure you that in person they are easy to spot --
they advertise their sexuality with a variety of feminine mannerisms
and vocal clues. The ability to recognize this is known as Gaydar. The
closet thing is a joke. Their friends and co-workers all knew -- mama
and papa perhaps being an exception, but even that I doubt.
Leaving aside your laugh-out-loud analysis of gaydar, the Scouts
couldn't identify the closeted abusers.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Nuns are not being shamed. The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are
political satire directed against Catholic doctrine directed at gays
that brings on the stigma mentioned above.
The Sisters are a sideshow. The stigma I was referring to is a product
of the more than 3,000 priests and other clergy who were defrocked or
otherwise penalized for the sexual abuse of children. I'd add that
this abuse was not limited to the United States, it was worldwide.
You said gay men have "shamed nuns."
El Castor
2020-11-23 08:34:58 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 12:47:03 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:27:05 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Since Gay men tend not to procreate (although I knew one who
apparently did) we would not expect homosexual genetics to be passed
on, but since there is a fairly consistent Gay birth rate it is
reasonable to assume that homosexuality must be a random genetic
variation -- a product of genetically normal parents.
Right! Which means it is a trait that helps with the survival of the
species (gay is good). I don't why, but that's what Darwin says.
You might find the following article by Jeremy Yoder illuminating in
describing how homosexuality can exist within the theory of evolution.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-intelligent-homosexuals-guide-to-natural-selection-and-evolution-with-a-key-to-many-complicating-factors/
The bottom line is that homosexuality has existed for a very long time
in populations both large and small, yet it has persisted. Why?
Perhaps because it produces no harm.
Produces no harm? I'm not sure that countless Boy Scouts and Choir
Boys, their lives haunted by a mixture of loathing and guilt, would
agree with you. And then there are more than a million who have died
of AIDS and Hepatitis C, many of whom were not Gay.
You are describing pedophilia. Blaming this on homosexuality is the
equivalent of blaming child abuse on heterosexuality.
Well, why not? Seems fair. Heterosexual males have not created their
own version of NAMBLA, and homosexual women have not destroyed the
Girl Scouts or shamed nuns.
Closeted (i.e., self-hating) gay men are the abusers. So, the problem is
not in being gay. It's the stigma associated with being gay that
persuades people to hate themselves. Fortunately, we have seen a sea
change in recent times and those days are likely behind us.
Behind us? Oh, really. Nambla still exists, if in an underground
state. In researching this subject I discovered there is considerable
boy oriented pedophile activity on the Internet. Do a search for
"Boychat".
As for "closeted" Gay males, I worked with many Gay men for more than
30 years, I can assure you that in person they are easy to spot --
they advertise their sexuality with a variety of feminine mannerisms
and vocal clues. The ability to recognize this is known as Gaydar. The
closet thing is a joke. Their friends and co-workers all knew -- mama
and papa perhaps being an exception, but even that I doubt.
Leaving aside your laugh-out-loud analysis of gaydar, the Scouts
couldn't identify the closeted abusers.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Nuns are not being shamed. The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are
political satire directed against Catholic doctrine directed at gays
that brings on the stigma mentioned above.
The Sisters are a sideshow. The stigma I was referring to is a product
of the more than 3,000 priests and other clergy who were defrocked or
otherwise penalized for the sexual abuse of children. I'd add that
this abuse was not limited to the United States, it was worldwide.
You said gay men have "shamed nuns."
More properly, gay men have shamed themselves with their gross
disgusting caricatures of nuns.
Josh Rosenbluth
2020-11-23 16:05:43 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 17:56:40 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 12:47:03 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:27:05 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Since Gay men tend not to procreate (although I knew one who
apparently did) we would not expect homosexual genetics to be passed
on, but since there is a fairly consistent Gay birth rate it is
reasonable to assume that homosexuality must be a random genetic
variation -- a product of genetically normal parents.
Right! Which means it is a trait that helps with the survival of the
species (gay is good). I don't why, but that's what Darwin says.
You might find the following article by Jeremy Yoder illuminating in
describing how homosexuality can exist within the theory of evolution.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-intelligent-homosexuals-guide-to-natural-selection-and-evolution-with-a-key-to-many-complicating-factors/
The bottom line is that homosexuality has existed for a very long time
in populations both large and small, yet it has persisted. Why?
Perhaps because it produces no harm.
Produces no harm? I'm not sure that countless Boy Scouts and Choir
Boys, their lives haunted by a mixture of loathing and guilt, would
agree with you. And then there are more than a million who have died
of AIDS and Hepatitis C, many of whom were not Gay.
You are describing pedophilia. Blaming this on homosexuality is the
equivalent of blaming child abuse on heterosexuality.
Well, why not? Seems fair. Heterosexual males have not created their
own version of NAMBLA, and homosexual women have not destroyed the
Girl Scouts or shamed nuns.
Closeted (i.e., self-hating) gay men are the abusers. So, the problem is
not in being gay. It's the stigma associated with being gay that
persuades people to hate themselves. Fortunately, we have seen a sea
change in recent times and those days are likely behind us.
Behind us? Oh, really. Nambla still exists, if in an underground
state. In researching this subject I discovered there is considerable
boy oriented pedophile activity on the Internet. Do a search for
"Boychat".
As for "closeted" Gay males, I worked with many Gay men for more than
30 years, I can assure you that in person they are easy to spot --
they advertise their sexuality with a variety of feminine mannerisms
and vocal clues. The ability to recognize this is known as Gaydar. The
closet thing is a joke. Their friends and co-workers all knew -- mama
and papa perhaps being an exception, but even that I doubt.
Leaving aside your laugh-out-loud analysis of gaydar, the Scouts
couldn't identify the closeted abusers.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Nuns are not being shamed. The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are
political satire directed against Catholic doctrine directed at gays
that brings on the stigma mentioned above.
The Sisters are a sideshow. The stigma I was referring to is a product
of the more than 3,000 priests and other clergy who were defrocked or
otherwise penalized for the sexual abuse of children. I'd add that
this abuse was not limited to the United States, it was worldwide.
You said gay men have "shamed nuns."
More properly, gay men have shamed themselves with their gross
disgusting caricatures of nuns.
I think it is fantastic political satire.
El Castor
2020-11-23 20:52:29 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 08:05:43 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 17:56:40 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 12:47:03 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:27:05 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Since Gay men tend not to procreate (although I knew one who
apparently did) we would not expect homosexual genetics to be passed
on, but since there is a fairly consistent Gay birth rate it is
reasonable to assume that homosexuality must be a random genetic
variation -- a product of genetically normal parents.
Right! Which means it is a trait that helps with the survival of the
species (gay is good). I don't why, but that's what Darwin says.
You might find the following article by Jeremy Yoder illuminating in
describing how homosexuality can exist within the theory of evolution.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-intelligent-homosexuals-guide-to-natural-selection-and-evolution-with-a-key-to-many-complicating-factors/
The bottom line is that homosexuality has existed for a very long time
in populations both large and small, yet it has persisted. Why?
Perhaps because it produces no harm.
Produces no harm? I'm not sure that countless Boy Scouts and Choir
Boys, their lives haunted by a mixture of loathing and guilt, would
agree with you. And then there are more than a million who have died
of AIDS and Hepatitis C, many of whom were not Gay.
You are describing pedophilia. Blaming this on homosexuality is the
equivalent of blaming child abuse on heterosexuality.
Well, why not? Seems fair. Heterosexual males have not created their
own version of NAMBLA, and homosexual women have not destroyed the
Girl Scouts or shamed nuns.
Closeted (i.e., self-hating) gay men are the abusers. So, the problem is
not in being gay. It's the stigma associated with being gay that
persuades people to hate themselves. Fortunately, we have seen a sea
change in recent times and those days are likely behind us.
Behind us? Oh, really. Nambla still exists, if in an underground
state. In researching this subject I discovered there is considerable
boy oriented pedophile activity on the Internet. Do a search for
"Boychat".
As for "closeted" Gay males, I worked with many Gay men for more than
30 years, I can assure you that in person they are easy to spot --
they advertise their sexuality with a variety of feminine mannerisms
and vocal clues. The ability to recognize this is known as Gaydar. The
closet thing is a joke. Their friends and co-workers all knew -- mama
and papa perhaps being an exception, but even that I doubt.
Leaving aside your laugh-out-loud analysis of gaydar, the Scouts
couldn't identify the closeted abusers.
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Nuns are not being shamed. The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are
political satire directed against Catholic doctrine directed at gays
that brings on the stigma mentioned above.
The Sisters are a sideshow. The stigma I was referring to is a product
of the more than 3,000 priests and other clergy who were defrocked or
otherwise penalized for the sexual abuse of children. I'd add that
this abuse was not limited to the United States, it was worldwide.
You said gay men have "shamed nuns."
More properly, gay men have shamed themselves with their gross
disgusting caricatures of nuns.
I think it is fantastic political satire.
Not political -- just an excuse for Gay men to get dressed up like
gross caricatures of women. They like that. Ever heard the term Drag
Queen? You should see downtown San Francisco on Halloween --
particularly around the Castro -- the gay male capital of the
universe.

islander
2020-11-21 17:37:57 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 07:48:50 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:32:14 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:40:39 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 08:03:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
Oh? Then why do we see 90,000 sexual molestation lawsuits against the
Boy Scouts and why are Gay males, who make up 2% of the population,
responsible for 64% of US syphilis cases? Straight men have the Rotary
Club while many gay men bask in their NAMBLA and The Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence. NAMBLA, which was headquartered in San
Francisco, has retreated into the shadows, not because of the outrage
of Gay men, but "to avoid local police infiltration". Gay opposition
to NAMBLA does exist, but it largely began in the Lesbian community --
women who objected to the molestation of children. Good for them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Your continued insistence that sexual molestation and NAMBLA is
acceptable to gay men is bizarre.
Post by El Castor
The AIDS epidemic, when it began, just tore through San Francisco. San
Francisco "bath houses" were places where gay men congregated, not to
bathe, but to have sex -- often as many as 100 sex partners a year.
The city fathers were alarmed by the epidemic and wisely acted to shut
down the bath houses. You would think the Gay community would have
been supportive. They were not, for the most part they were outraged
and fought the order.
Many Gay men as individuals can be exemplary citizens, but as a group
... ouch!
I agree that gay men ignoring AIDS at first was wrong. Sometimes, people
have to learn the hard way, including those who now downplay COVID-19.
Oh? Have they learned? 30 years later 68% of those contracting AIDS
are MSM.
That's because HIV is easier to transmit in anal sex than vaginal sex.
New infections are far lower than in the 1908's and the disease is now
manageable.
Same numbers for syphilis, and other venereal diseases.
Greater STD rates among gay men is likely a male thing, not a gay thing.
If straight men could find willing partners, they too would be promiscuous.
Exactly! Human evolution gave us females who make choices. Gays are an
evolutionary abnormality, and in the case of Gay males, a potentially
harmful abnormality.
If you are right, gays would be genetically weeded out. But, there is no
sign of that.
Not yet, but there is current research on the subject of zygote
evaluation as a means, among other things, of avoiding genetic
disease. Assuming it can be used to predict homosexuality, I suspect
most heterosexual parents would prefer not to have a homosexual child.
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Since Gay men tend not to procreate (although I knew one who
apparently did) we would not expect homosexual genetics to be passed
on, but since there is a fairly consistent Gay birth rate it is
reasonable to assume that homosexuality must be a random genetic
variation -- a product of genetically normal parents.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Too bad for
the Boy Scouts, and countless choir boys, that their problem isn't
"manageable".
What is your proposed solution for the sex abuse problems in the Scouts
and the Church?
Other than genetics and technology, what solution do we have for
rapists and child molesters -- imprisonment. Unfortunately that can
only come after the fact.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The only solution for the gay male problem will some day
be genetics.
Say what?
Abortion, or at some point in the not too distant future gay zygotes
will be "edited" or simply discarded and not get implanted. Humanity
does not need, or want, Tay-Sachs Disease, Sickle Cell Anemia, 70 IQs,
or Gay Males spreading disease.
By governmental decree? By peer pressure?
By parental preference.
It's a good thing we need men to procreate or else these parents would
abort male zygotes.
We do need men to procreate, but procreation can get along just fine
without Gay Males.
Actually, there is some evidence to suggest that we don't need males to
procreate and there are species that illustrate that possibility. There
are advantages of not limiting genetics narrowly, a evolutionary
argument for the advantages of diversity in procreation as provided by
the combination of the genetics of two people, but hypothetically, women
could survive without us. Men do not have the same possibility, at
least until someone figures out how men could give birth.
El Castor
2020-11-21 20:25:06 UTC
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:32:14 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:29:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:32:12 -0800
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it would
have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Gay men? Normal? Maybe in your world. Not mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence/u/original/2175603/abbey.jpg
http://www.steamworksbaths.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/news_150726_UpYourAlley_020.jpg
And then there is a bit of a medical issue -- Syphillis, and other
sexually transmitted diseases ...
"Between 2017 and 2018, the number of reported primary and secondary
(P&S) cases in the United States increased by 14.4%, and there were
35,063 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2018. Most (64%) of these cases
were among MSM."
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm
I've known and worked with both gay men and gay women. Gay women are
an entirely different story. The ones I've known have been fine
people. They don't advertise, flamboyantly dress up like gross
characterizations of men, or spread disease. Other than their sexual
preference, your description as normal would seem accurate.
Pete Buttigieg, Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, Don Lemon, Neil Patrick
Harris, Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, Jonathan Groff, Ricky Martin, Sam
Smith, Bob Harper, Jim Parsons, Sean Hayes, B. D. Wong, George Takei,
Ian McKellan.
,
Oh I don't doubt that there are fine gay men. The best man I ever
worked for was gay, but that doesn't negate the disease (need I
mention AIDS?), or the delight they take in a gross characterization
of women, the San Francisco bath houses, 100 sex partners a year,
molestation and destruction of Boy Scouts, molestation of Catholic
boys, NAMBLA, and the list goes on.
BTW -- that best man I ever worked for eventually lost his job because
he was living with his senior direct report -- a former priest who he
met in a seminary. And no, I'm not the one who informed on him.
I don't doubt the overwhelming majority of gay men are fine.
Oh? Then why do we see 90,000 sexual molestation lawsuits against the
Boy Scouts and why are Gay males, who make up 2% of the population,
responsible for 64% of US syphilis cases? Straight men have the Rotary
Club while many gay men bask in their NAMBLA and The Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence. NAMBLA, which was headquartered in San
Francisco, has retreated into the shadows, not because of the outrage
of Gay men, but "to avoid local police infiltration". Gay opposition
to NAMBLA does exist, but it largely began in the Lesbian community --
women who objected to the molestation of children. Good for them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Your continued insistence that sexual molestation and NAMBLA is
acceptable to gay men is bizarre.
Post by El Castor
The AIDS epidemic, when it began, just tore through San Francisco. San
Francisco "bath houses" were places where gay men congregated, not to
bathe, but to have sex -- often as many as 100 sex partners a year.
The city fathers were alarmed by the epidemic and wisely acted to shut
down the bath houses. You would think the Gay community would have
been supportive. They were not, for the most part they were outraged
and fought the order.
Many Gay men as individuals can be exemplary citizens, but as a group
... ouch!
I agree that gay men ignoring AIDS at first was wrong. Sometimes, people
have to learn the hard way, including those who now downplay COVID-19.
Oh? Have they learned? 30 years later 68% of those contracting AIDS
are MSM.
That's because HIV is easier to transmit in anal sex than vaginal sex.
New infections are far lower than in the 1908's and the disease is now
manageable.
Same numbers for syphilis, and other venereal diseases.
Greater STD rates among gay men is likely a male thing, not a gay thing.
If straight men could find willing partners, they too would be promiscuous.
Exactly! Human evolution gave us females who make choices. Gays are an
evolutionary abnormality, and in the case of Gay males, a potentially
harmful abnormality.
If you are right, gays would be genetically weeded out. But, there is no
sign of that.
Not yet, but there is current research on the subject of zygote
evaluation as a means, among other things, of avoiding genetic
disease. Assuming it can be used to predict homosexuality, I suspect
most heterosexual parents would prefer not to have a homosexual child.
I suspect not, but even if I am wrong that's not evolution at work. My
point is in humans, and other species, homosexuality is not weeded out
by survival of the fittest.
Since Gay men tend not to procreate (although I knew one who
apparently did) we would not expect homosexual genetics to be passed
on, but since there is a fairly consistent Gay birth rate it is
reasonable to assume that homosexuality must be a random genetic
variation -- a product of genetically normal parents.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
Too bad for
the Boy Scouts, and countless choir boys, that their problem isn't
"manageable".
What is your proposed solution for the sex abuse problems in the Scouts
and the Church?
Other than genetics and technology, what solution do we have for
rapists and child molesters -- imprisonment. Unfortunately that can
only come after the fact.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The only solution for the gay male problem will some day
be genetics.
Say what?
Abortion, or at some point in the not too distant future gay zygotes
will be "edited" or simply discarded and not get implanted. Humanity
does not need, or want, Tay-Sachs Disease, Sickle Cell Anemia, 70 IQs,
or Gay Males spreading disease.
By governmental decree? By peer pressure?
By parental preference.
It's a good thing we need men to procreate or else these parents would
abort male zygotes.
We do need men to procreate, but procreation can get along just fine
without Gay Males.
Actually, there is some evidence to suggest that we don't need males to
procreate and there are species that illustrate that possibility. There
are advantages of not limiting genetics narrowly, a evolutionary
argument for the advantages of diversity in procreation as provided by
the combination of the genetics of two people, but hypothetically, women
could survive without us. Men do not have the same possibility, at
least until someone figures out how men could give birth.
Men and women won't be needed. I'm sure someone is working on that
very thing. Just heard on the radio as I was coming home that we will
soon be able to 3D print hearts for those in need of a transplant, and
then there is cloning. Cloned horses are taking over the polo
business. I wonder if it's too late to clone Seabiscuit? (-8
islander
2020-11-22 01:35:32 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:16:04 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
It's a good thing we need men to procreate or else these parents would
abort male zygotes.
We do need men to procreate, but procreation can get along just fine
without Gay Males.
Actually, there is some evidence to suggest that we don't need males to
procreate and there are species that illustrate that possibility. There
are advantages of not limiting genetics narrowly, a evolutionary
argument for the advantages of diversity in procreation as provided by
the combination of the genetics of two people, but hypothetically, women
could survive without us. Men do not have the same possibility, at
least until someone figures out how men could give birth.
Men and women won't be needed. I'm sure someone is working on that
very thing. Just heard on the radio as I was coming home that we will
soon be able to 3D print hearts for those in need of a transplant, and
then there is cloning. Cloned horses are taking over the polo
business. I wonder if it's too late to clone Seabiscuit? (-8
I seriously doubt that the religious sectors of the population will
allow cloning of humans in the foreseeable future. 3D printing of
organs is a very long way from producing an entire human.
El Castor
2020-11-22 07:32:09 UTC
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:27:05 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:16:04 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
It's a good thing we need men to procreate or else these parents would
abort male zygotes.
We do need men to procreate, but procreation can get along just fine
without Gay Males.
Actually, there is some evidence to suggest that we don't need males to
procreate and there are species that illustrate that possibility. There
are advantages of not limiting genetics narrowly, a evolutionary
argument for the advantages of diversity in procreation as provided by
the combination of the genetics of two people, but hypothetically, women
could survive without us. Men do not have the same possibility, at
least until someone figures out how men could give birth.
Men and women won't be needed. I'm sure someone is working on that
very thing. Just heard on the radio as I was coming home that we will
soon be able to 3D print hearts for those in need of a transplant, and
then there is cloning. Cloned horses are taking over the polo
business. I wonder if it's too late to clone Seabiscuit? (-8
I seriously doubt that the religious sectors of the population will
allow cloning of humans in the foreseeable future. 3D printing of
organs is a very long way from producing an entire human.
You're probably right about cloning, but sooner or later. As for 3D
printing of organs, I never intended to suggest building an entire
human being, but the piece I heard suggested that it could be used for
organ transplants. How many people have died waiting for a heart or
kidney transplant?
islander
2020-11-22 16:15:37 UTC
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:27:05 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:16:04 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
It's a good thing we need men to procreate or else these parents would
abort male zygotes.
We do need men to procreate, but procreation can get along just fine
without Gay Males.
Actually, there is some evidence to suggest that we don't need males to
procreate and there are species that illustrate that possibility. There
are advantages of not limiting genetics narrowly, a evolutionary
argument for the advantages of diversity in procreation as provided by
the combination of the genetics of two people, but hypothetically, women
could survive without us. Men do not have the same possibility, at
least until someone figures out how men could give birth.
Men and women won't be needed. I'm sure someone is working on that
very thing. Just heard on the radio as I was coming home that we will
soon be able to 3D print hearts for those in need of a transplant, and
then there is cloning. Cloned horses are taking over the polo
business. I wonder if it's too late to clone Seabiscuit? (-8
I seriously doubt that the religious sectors of the population will
allow cloning of humans in the foreseeable future. 3D printing of
organs is a very long way from producing an entire human.
You're probably right about cloning, but sooner or later. As for 3D
printing of organs, I never intended to suggest building an entire
human being, but the piece I heard suggested that it could be used for
organ transplants. How many people have died waiting for a heart or
kidney transplant?
Yes, 3D printing medical applications are amazing, but I'm not aware of
the possibility of building entire organs. Building a living organ (as
opposed to building a heart valve, for example) is a very difficult
challenge. Tissues, yes, but fully functional organs, a ways off.
El Castor
2020-11-22 19:40:56 UTC
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:27:05 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:16:04 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
It's a good thing we need men to procreate or else these parents would
abort male zygotes.
We do need men to procreate, but procreation can get along just fine
without Gay Males.
Actually, there is some evidence to suggest that we don't need males to
procreate and there are species that illustrate that possibility. There
are advantages of not limiting genetics narrowly, a evolutionary
argument for the advantages of diversity in procreation as provided by
the combination of the genetics of two people, but hypothetically, women
could survive without us. Men do not have the same possibility, at
least until someone figures out how men could give birth.
Men and women won't be needed. I'm sure someone is working on that
very thing. Just heard on the radio as I was coming home that we will
soon be able to 3D print hearts for those in need of a transplant, and
then there is cloning. Cloned horses are taking over the polo
business. I wonder if it's too late to clone Seabiscuit? (-8
I seriously doubt that the religious sectors of the population will
allow cloning of humans in the foreseeable future. 3D printing of
organs is a very long way from producing an entire human.
You're probably right about cloning, but sooner or later. As for 3D
printing of organs, I never intended to suggest building an entire
human being, but the piece I heard suggested that it could be used for
organ transplants. How many people have died waiting for a heart or
kidney transplant?
Yes, 3D printing medical applications are amazing, but I'm not aware of
the possibility of building entire organs. Building a living organ (as
opposed to building a heart valve, for example) is a very difficult
challenge. Tissues, yes, but fully functional organs, a ways off.
Agreed, but the pace at which technology of all sorts is advancing
seems to be accelerating. We live in interesting times.

"There's been a potential breakthrough in making organs in the lab.
Israeli researchers have 3D printed a heart, complete with muscle and
blood vessels. But how long before it is ready for actual use? Not for
a while, according to Dr. Max Gomez of CBS New York.
Printing an organ is much more complicated than squirting a bunch of
cells into the shape of a heart or kidney.
That said, researchers at Tel Aviv University have taken a big step
toward off-the-shelf organs."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/3d-printed-artificial-heart-patient-cells-tel-aviv-university-researchers/

Here's another interesting story...
"GM: New batteries cut electric car costs, increase range"
"DETROIT (AP) — General Motors says a pending breakthrough in battery
chemistry will cut the price of its electric vehicles so they equal
those powered by gasoline within five years. The technology also will
increase the range per charge to as much as 450 miles. "
https://apnews.com/article/business-chemistry-detroit-electric-vehicles-0928d1d1eda8fd9c6bdccb60dc6d348b
Johnny
2020-11-18 13:59:21 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a
member, has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably
destroyed, by close to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would
have been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would
have to prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Apparently, you didn't follow that if the Scouts had done that, it
would have not helped because the abusers aren't known to be gay.
Post by El Castor
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a
mentor to their sons?
Emphatically, yes (and gays are normal people)!
Then you don't think like normal people. I would never knowingly send
my son to a gay scoutmaster, and gay people are not normal, they are
the very definition of abnormal.
islander
2020-11-17 23:30:53 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
When I was going through my background check for NSA, I learned that my
former Scout Master was gay. Never was a problem for me and did not
prevent my getting a security clearance. I was only annoyed that it was
considered to be a possible security risk. Personally, I don't see the
problem. Do you really think that gay is contagious?
El Castor
2020-11-18 06:42:31 UTC
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Post by El Castor
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:40:57 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a member,
has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably destroyed, by close
to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would have
been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would have to
prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a mentor
to their sons?
When I was going through my background check for NSA, I learned that my
former Scout Master was gay. Never was a problem for me and did not
prevent my getting a security clearance. I was only annoyed that it was
considered to be a possible security risk. Personally, I don't see the
problem. Do you really think that gay is contagious?
Contagious no, genetic yes.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/08/29/theres-no-gay-gene-genetics-are-linked-same-sex-behavior-new-study-says/
Johnny
2020-11-18 13:55:15 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a
member, has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably
destroyed, by close to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would
have been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would
have to prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a
mentor to their sons?
When I was going through my background check for NSA, I learned that
my former Scout Master was gay. Never was a problem for me and did
not prevent my getting a security clearance. I was only annoyed that
it was considered to be a possible security risk. Personally, I
don't see the problem. Do you really think that gay is contagious?
I think 12 year old boys could be easily influenced by a gay
scoutmaster.
El Castor
2020-11-18 19:34:47 UTC
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Post by El Castor
The Boy Scouts, a fine organization of which I was once a
member, has been forced into bankruptcy, and probably
destroyed, by close to 90,000 sexual abuse lawsuits.
Nov 16, 2020
"Close to 90,000 sexual abuse claims have been filed against the
Boy Scouts of America as the Monday deadline arrived for
submitting claims in the organization’s bankruptcy case."
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/90k-sex-abuse-claims-filed-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-74237117
Interestingly, I did a search for sexual abuse lawsuits against
the Girl Scouts and found just one -- and the accused perp was
male.
As I have stated in the past, all of these abusers were in the
closet. So, a policy of not permitting gay scoutmasters would not
have helped.
I've never claimed that it would. What would have helped would
have been a method to identify Gay genetics in a zygote. Perhaps
someday.
That would not justify keeping gays who are out of the closet from
being scoutmasters.
If the Boy Scouts wanted to survive as an organization it would
have to prevent gay men from becoming scoutmasters.
Do you really think normal people would allow a gay man to be a
mentor to their sons?
When I was going through my background check for NSA, I learned that
my former Scout Master was gay. Never was a problem for me and did
not prevent my getting a security clearance. I was only annoyed that
it was considered to be a possible security risk. Personally, I
don't see the problem. Do you really think that gay is contagious?
I think 12 year old boys could be easily influenced by a gay
scoutmaster.
And were. NAMBLA ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
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