Discussion:
Is soc.retirement dying?
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rumpelstiltskin
2019-03-02 09:23:28 UTC
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I count only 17 posts for February 28, and
only 5 for May 1!

I do have a number of people killfiled,
particularly El Castor because he has me
killfiled and we have nothing in common.
I also killfile Cloister (formerly posting as
Globalist), "High Castle", "me" (formerly
posting as "Werner", PJ O'Donnel, and
"Jack of Diamonds" and a couple of
others who I don't think post very much,
or if they do then nobody answers them.
That's not so many people, though. It
seems there used to be a lot more
people posting here.
rumpelstiltskin
2019-03-02 09:27:49 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
I count only 17 posts for February 28, and
only 5 for May 1!
That should be "only 5 for March 1!"
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I do have a number of people killfiled,
particularly El Castor because he has me
killfiled and we have nothing in common.
I also killfile Cloister (formerly posting as
Globalist), "High Castle", "me" (formerly
posting as "Werner", PJ O'Donnel, and
"Jack of Diamonds" and a couple of
others who I don't think post very much,
or if they do then nobody answers them.
That's not so many people, though. It
seems there used to be a lot more
people posting here.
Gary
2019-03-02 11:32:24 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
I count only 17 posts for February 28, and
only 5 for May 1!
I do have a number of people killfiled,
particularly El Castor because he has me
killfiled and we have nothing in common.
I also killfile Cloister (formerly posting as
Globalist), "High Castle", "me" (formerly
posting as "Werner", PJ O'Donnel, and
"Jack of Diamonds" and a couple of
others who I don't think post very much,
or if they do then nobody answers them.
That's not so many people, though. It
seems there used to be a lot more
people posting here.
I've also noticed the shortage of posts. I hope it is only
temporary. I've enjoyed this newsgroup since the early 2000s. I
hate to see it fold.

BTW, in all those years, the only time I've ever kill filed anyone
-- it was because they were advertising. Differences of opinions is
what I find interesting.
El Castor
2019-03-02 19:30:10 UTC
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Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I count only 17 posts for February 28, and
only 5 for May 1!
I do have a number of people killfiled,
particularly El Castor because he has me
killfiled and we have nothing in common.
I also killfile Cloister (formerly posting as
Globalist), "High Castle", "me" (formerly
posting as "Werner", PJ O'Donnel, and
"Jack of Diamonds" and a couple of
others who I don't think post very much,
or if they do then nobody answers them.
That's not so many people, though. It
seems there used to be a lot more
people posting here.
I've also noticed the shortage of posts. I hope it is only
temporary. I've enjoyed this newsgroup since the early 2000s. I
hate to see it fold.
BTW, in all those years, the only time I've ever kill filed anyone
-- it was because they were advertising. Differences of opinions is
what I find interesting.
I have Cloister killfiled for two reasons -- he posts, but never
participates in threads, and the last straw was a blatantly
anti-Semitic post.
Gary
2019-03-02 20:25:29 UTC
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On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 11:30:10 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I count only 17 posts for February 28, and
only 5 for May 1!
I do have a number of people killfiled,
particularly El Castor because he has me
killfiled and we have nothing in common.
I also killfile Cloister (formerly posting as
Globalist), "High Castle", "me" (formerly
posting as "Werner", PJ O'Donnel, and
"Jack of Diamonds" and a couple of
others who I don't think post very much,
or if they do then nobody answers them.
That's not so many people, though. It
seems there used to be a lot more
people posting here.
I've also noticed the shortage of posts. I hope it is only
temporary. I've enjoyed this newsgroup since the early 2000s. I
hate to see it fold.
BTW, in all those years, the only time I've ever kill filed anyone
-- it was because they were advertising. Differences of opinions is
what I find interesting.
I use to kill file all cross posters. But now I use Agent and it
automatically kills cross posts.
Post by El Castor
I have Cloister killfiled for two reasons -- he posts, but never
participates in threads, and the last straw was a blatantly
anti-Semitic post.
Could I ask a question without seeming to anti-semitic ? I had never
seen anybody accused of anti-semitism until I joined the newsgroups
about 17 years ago. It seems that if I (or anybody else) disagrees
with a Jew, or a Jewish practice -- we are A-S and hate Jews. Would
a person who cussed out a bunch of Baptists be labeled anti-baptist ?
I doubt it.
El Castor
2019-03-02 21:23:44 UTC
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Post by Gary
On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 11:30:10 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I count only 17 posts for February 28, and
only 5 for May 1!
I do have a number of people killfiled,
particularly El Castor because he has me
killfiled and we have nothing in common.
I also killfile Cloister (formerly posting as
Globalist), "High Castle", "me" (formerly
posting as "Werner", PJ O'Donnel, and
"Jack of Diamonds" and a couple of
others who I don't think post very much,
or if they do then nobody answers them.
That's not so many people, though. It
seems there used to be a lot more
people posting here.
I've also noticed the shortage of posts. I hope it is only
temporary. I've enjoyed this newsgroup since the early 2000s. I
hate to see it fold.
BTW, in all those years, the only time I've ever kill filed anyone
-- it was because they were advertising. Differences of opinions is
what I find interesting.
I use to kill file all cross posters. But now I use Agent and it
automatically kills cross posts.
Same here. They are pretty much all loons. They drop their bombs, and
never stop by to see if they got a response.
Post by Gary
Post by El Castor
I have Cloister killfiled for two reasons -- he posts, but never
participates in threads, and the last straw was a blatantly
anti-Semitic post.
Could I ask a question without seeming to anti-semitic ? I had never
seen anybody accused of anti-semitism until I joined the newsgroups
about 17 years ago. It seems that if I (or anybody else) disagrees
with a Jew, or a Jewish practice -- we are A-S and hate Jews. Would
a person who cussed out a bunch of Baptists be labeled anti-baptist ?
I doubt it.
rumpelstiltskin
2019-03-03 05:34:32 UTC
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Post by Gary
On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 11:30:10 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I count only 17 posts for February 28, and
only 5 for May 1!
I do have a number of people killfiled,
particularly El Castor because he has me
killfiled and we have nothing in common.
I also killfile Cloister (formerly posting as
Globalist), "High Castle", "me" (formerly
posting as "Werner", PJ O'Donnel, and
"Jack of Diamonds" and a couple of
others who I don't think post very much,
or if they do then nobody answers them.
That's not so many people, though. It
seems there used to be a lot more
people posting here.
I've also noticed the shortage of posts. I hope it is only
temporary. I've enjoyed this newsgroup since the early 2000s. I
hate to see it fold.
BTW, in all those years, the only time I've ever kill filed anyone
-- it was because they were advertising. Differences of opinions is
what I find interesting.
I use to kill file all cross posters. But now I use Agent and it
automatically kills cross posts.
Post by El Castor
I have Cloister killfiled for two reasons -- he posts, but never
participates in threads, and the last straw was a blatantly
anti-Semitic post.
Could I ask a question without seeming to anti-semitic ? I had never
seen anybody accused of anti-semitism until I joined the newsgroups
about 17 years ago. It seems that if I (or anybody else) disagrees
with a Jew, or a Jewish practice -- we are A-S and hate Jews. Would
a person who cussed out a bunch of Baptists be labeled anti-baptist ?
I doubt it.
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Gary
2019-03-03 12:42:12 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by Gary
On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 11:30:10 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
BTW, in all those years, the only time I've ever kill filed anyone
-- it was because they were advertising. Differences of opinions is
what I find interesting.
I use to kill file all cross posters. But now I use Agent and it
automatically kills cross posts.
Post by El Castor
I have Cloister killfiled for two reasons -- he posts, but never
participates in threads, and the last straw was a blatantly
anti-Semitic post.
Could I ask a question without seeming to anti-semitic ? I had never
seen anybody accused of anti-semitism until I joined the newsgroups
about 17 years ago. It seems that if I (or anybody else) disagrees
with a Jew, or a Jewish practice -- we are A-S and hate Jews. Would
a person who cussed out a bunch of Baptists be labeled anti-baptist ?
I doubt it.
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
The Man in the High Castle
2019-03-03 13:05:13 UTC
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Post by Gary
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
BULLSHIT.
Post by Gary
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
And one of the first things these assholes did was commit genocide
against the native Americans in the name of a make believe child
molesting god.
islander
2019-03-03 16:08:23 UTC
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Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by Gary
On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 11:30:10 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
BTW, in all those years, the only time I've ever kill filed anyone
-- it was because they were advertising. Differences of opinions is
what I find interesting.
I use to kill file all cross posters. But now I use Agent and it
automatically kills cross posts.
Post by El Castor
I have Cloister killfiled for two reasons -- he posts, but never
participates in threads, and the last straw was a blatantly
anti-Semitic post.
Could I ask a question without seeming to anti-semitic ? I had never
seen anybody accused of anti-semitism until I joined the newsgroups
about 17 years ago. It seems that if I (or anybody else) disagrees
with a Jew, or a Jewish practice -- we are A-S and hate Jews. Would
a person who cussed out a bunch of Baptists be labeled anti-baptist ?
I doubt it.
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
No, many (possibly most) early settlers came here to escape religious
oppression.
Gary
2019-03-03 16:43:19 UTC
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Post by islander
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by Gary
On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 11:30:10 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
BTW, in all those years, the only time I've ever kill filed anyone
-- it was because they were advertising. Differences of opinions is
what I find interesting.
I use to kill file all cross posters. But now I use Agent and it
automatically kills cross posts.
Post by El Castor
I have Cloister killfiled for two reasons -- he posts, but never
participates in threads, and the last straw was a blatantly
anti-Semitic post.
Could I ask a question without seeming to anti-semitic ? I had never
seen anybody accused of anti-semitism until I joined the newsgroups
about 17 years ago. It seems that if I (or anybody else) disagrees
with a Jew, or a Jewish practice -- we are A-S and hate Jews. Would
a person who cussed out a bunch of Baptists be labeled anti-baptist ?
I doubt it.
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
No, many (possibly most) early settlers came here to escape religious
oppression.
Exactly! The old settlers did not want the state to force them to
worship the state religion -- when they wanted to be a Baptist. Their
battle cry was "freedom of religion". Then all the Southern Baptists
prayed for slaves! And it happened :-)
rumpelstiltskin
2019-03-03 18:57:25 UTC
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<snip>
Post by Gary
Post by islander
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
No, many (possibly most) early settlers came here to escape religious
oppression.
Exactly! The old settlers did not want the state to force them to
worship the state religion -- when they wanted to be a Baptist. Their
battle cry was "freedom of religion". Then all the Southern Baptists
prayed for slaves! And it happened :-)
Baptist overlordship is the same thing as Church of
England or Catholic overlordship.

Think of the "trail of tears" in which Andrew Jackson
drove the Cherokee out of their ancestral homeland in
what is now the Carolinas, into Oklahoma, with many
dying along the way. The Cherokee had tried to
integrate into the white society that was moving in,
but it eventually wasn't enough for the white people:
the Cherokee were too "different".

"Might makes right", as the saying goes. I'm not
sympathetic to it, but it is the story of human history.
There's nothing noble about that, nothing at all.
islander
2019-03-04 02:39:11 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
<snip>
Post by Gary
Post by islander
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
No, many (possibly most) early settlers came here to escape religious
oppression.
Exactly! The old settlers did not want the state to force them to
worship the state religion -- when they wanted to be a Baptist. Their
battle cry was "freedom of religion". Then all the Southern Baptists
prayed for slaves! And it happened :-)
Baptist overlordship is the same thing as Church of
England or Catholic overlordship.
Think of the "trail of tears" in which Andrew Jackson
drove the Cherokee out of their ancestral homeland in
what is now the Carolinas, into Oklahoma, with many
dying along the way. The Cherokee had tried to
integrate into the white society that was moving in,
the Cherokee were too "different".
"Might makes right", as the saying goes. I'm not
sympathetic to it, but it is the story of human history.
There's nothing noble about that, nothing at all.
That may have had a lot to do with the discovery of gold in Georgia.
The Cherokees got in the way and had to be removed.
rumpelstiltskin
2019-03-04 07:28:47 UTC
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Post by islander
Post by rumpelstiltskin
<snip>
Post by Gary
Post by islander
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
No, many (possibly most) early settlers came here to escape religious
oppression.
Exactly! The old settlers did not want the state to force them to
worship the state religion -- when they wanted to be a Baptist. Their
battle cry was "freedom of religion". Then all the Southern Baptists
prayed for slaves! And it happened :-)
Baptist overlordship is the same thing as Church of
England or Catholic overlordship.
Think of the "trail of tears" in which Andrew Jackson
drove the Cherokee out of their ancestral homeland in
what is now the Carolinas, into Oklahoma, with many
dying along the way. The Cherokee had tried to
integrate into the white society that was moving in,
the Cherokee were too "different".
"Might makes right", as the saying goes. I'm not
sympathetic to it, but it is the story of human history.
There's nothing noble about that, nothing at all.
That may have had a lot to do with the discovery of gold in Georgia.
The Cherokees got in the way and had to be removed.
Oh - I wasn't aware if that!
islander
2019-03-04 16:05:04 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by islander
Post by rumpelstiltskin
<snip>
Post by Gary
Post by islander
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
No, many (possibly most) early settlers came here to escape religious
oppression.
Exactly! The old settlers did not want the state to force them to
worship the state religion -- when they wanted to be a Baptist. Their
battle cry was "freedom of religion". Then all the Southern Baptists
prayed for slaves! And it happened :-)
Baptist overlordship is the same thing as Church of
England or Catholic overlordship.
Think of the "trail of tears" in which Andrew Jackson
drove the Cherokee out of their ancestral homeland in
what is now the Carolinas, into Oklahoma, with many
dying along the way. The Cherokee had tried to
integrate into the white society that was moving in,
the Cherokee were too "different".
"Might makes right", as the saying goes. I'm not
sympathetic to it, but it is the story of human history.
There's nothing noble about that, nothing at all.
That may have had a lot to do with the discovery of gold in Georgia.
The Cherokees got in the way and had to be removed.
Oh - I wasn't aware if that!
"White resentment of the Cherokee had been building and reached a
pinnacle following the discovery of gold in northern Georgia. This
discovery was made just after the the creation and passage of the
original Cherokee Nation constitution and establishment of a Cherokee
Supreme Court. Possessed by "gold fever" and a thirst for expansion,
many white communities turned on their Cherokee neighbors. The U.S.
government ultimately decided it was time for the Cherokees to be
"removed"; leaving behind their farms, their land and their homes."
https://cherokee.org/About-The-Nation/History/Trail-of-Tears/A-Brief-History-of-the-Trail-of-Tears
Gary
2019-03-05 12:43:25 UTC
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Post by islander
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by islander
Post by rumpelstiltskin
<snip>
Post by Gary
Post by islander
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
No, many (possibly most) early settlers came here to escape religious
oppression.
Exactly! The old settlers did not want the state to force them to
worship the state religion -- when they wanted to be a Baptist. Their
battle cry was "freedom of religion". Then all the Southern Baptists
prayed for slaves! And it happened :-)
Baptist overlordship is the same thing as Church of
England or Catholic overlordship.
Think of the "trail of tears" in which Andrew Jackson
drove the Cherokee out of their ancestral homeland in
what is now the Carolinas, into Oklahoma, with many
dying along the way. The Cherokee had tried to
integrate into the white society that was moving in,
the Cherokee were too "different".
"Might makes right", as the saying goes. I'm not
sympathetic to it, but it is the story of human history.
There's nothing noble about that, nothing at all.
That may have had a lot to do with the discovery of gold in Georgia.
The Cherokees got in the way and had to be removed.
Oh - I wasn't aware if that!
"White resentment of the Cherokee had been building and reached a
pinnacle following the discovery of gold in northern Georgia. This
discovery was made just after the the creation and passage of the
original Cherokee Nation constitution and establishment of a Cherokee
Supreme Court. Possessed by "gold fever" and a thirst for expansion,
many white communities turned on their Cherokee neighbors. The U.S.
government ultimately decided it was time for the Cherokees to be
"removed"; leaving behind their farms, their land and their homes."
https://cherokee.org/About-The-Nation/History/Trail-of-Tears/A-Brief-History-of-the-Trail-of-Tears
I'm no historian, but in all my years of reading about early Georgia,
I had never heard that the Cherokees had "farms".

But then -- I've never read the facts as published by a "Cherokee"
website.
Gary
2019-03-04 13:27:23 UTC
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Post by islander
Post by rumpelstiltskin
<snip>
Post by Gary
Post by islander
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
No, many (possibly most) early settlers came here to escape religious
oppression.
Exactly! The old settlers did not want the state to force them to
worship the state religion -- when they wanted to be a Baptist. Their
battle cry was "freedom of religion". Then all the Southern Baptists
prayed for slaves! And it happened :-)
Baptist overlordship is the same thing as Church of
England or Catholic overlordship.
Think of the "trail of tears" in which Andrew Jackson
drove the Cherokee out of their ancestral homeland in
what is now the Carolinas, into Oklahoma, with many
dying along the way. The Cherokee had tried to
integrate into the white society that was moving in,
the Cherokee were too "different".
"Might makes right", as the saying goes. I'm not
sympathetic to it, but it is the story of human history.
There's nothing noble about that, nothing at all.
That may have had a lot to do with the discovery of gold in Georgia.
The Cherokees got in the way and had to be removed.
I hate to say it, but Georgia was not founded by honest men. At
first, slavery was to be forbidden. In a few years, Georgia was the
center of the Southern slave trade.

A few years ago, I visited some Indian mounds in Georgia. Say what
you will -- those Indians struck me as being pretty intelligent
people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etowah_Indian_Mounds
Gary
2019-03-04 16:48:32 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
<snip>
Post by Gary
Post by islander
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
No, many (possibly most) early settlers came here to escape religious
oppression.
Exactly! The old settlers did not want the state to force them to
worship the state religion -- when they wanted to be a Baptist. Their
battle cry was "freedom of religion". Then all the Southern Baptists
prayed for slaves! And it happened :-)
Baptist overlordship is the same thing as Church of
England or Catholic overlordship.
Think of the "trail of tears" in which Andrew Jackson
drove the Cherokee out of their ancestral homeland in
what is now the Carolinas, into Oklahoma, with many
dying along the way. The Cherokee had tried to
integrate into the white society that was moving in,
the Cherokee were too "different".
"Might makes right", as the saying goes. I'm not
sympathetic to it, but it is the story of human history.
There's nothing noble about that, nothing at all.
I tend to oppose "might makes right" in most cases. But ...every so
often the civilized people must use might to keep the uncivilized from
destroying their culture and civilization.
rumpelstiltskin
2019-03-04 17:28:01 UTC
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Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
<snip>
Post by Gary
Post by islander
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
No, many (possibly most) early settlers came here to escape religious
oppression.
Exactly! The old settlers did not want the state to force them to
worship the state religion -- when they wanted to be a Baptist. Their
battle cry was "freedom of religion". Then all the Southern Baptists
prayed for slaves! And it happened :-)
Baptist overlordship is the same thing as Church of
England or Catholic overlordship.
Think of the "trail of tears" in which Andrew Jackson
drove the Cherokee out of their ancestral homeland in
what is now the Carolinas, into Oklahoma, with many
dying along the way. The Cherokee had tried to
integrate into the white society that was moving in,
the Cherokee were too "different".
"Might makes right", as the saying goes. I'm not
sympathetic to it, but it is the story of human history.
There's nothing noble about that, nothing at all.
I tend to oppose "might makes right" in most cases. But ...every so
often the civilized people must use might to keep the uncivilized from
destroying their culture and civilization.
That's just an unsuccessful attempted sanitization of
"might makes right".
Gary
2019-03-05 12:43:26 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
<snip>
Post by Gary
Post by islander
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
No, many (possibly most) early settlers came here to escape religious
oppression.
Exactly! The old settlers did not want the state to force them to
worship the state religion -- when they wanted to be a Baptist. Their
battle cry was "freedom of religion". Then all the Southern Baptists
prayed for slaves! And it happened :-)
Baptist overlordship is the same thing as Church of
England or Catholic overlordship.
Think of the "trail of tears" in which Andrew Jackson
drove the Cherokee out of their ancestral homeland in
what is now the Carolinas, into Oklahoma, with many
dying along the way. The Cherokee had tried to
integrate into the white society that was moving in,
the Cherokee were too "different".
"Might makes right", as the saying goes. I'm not
sympathetic to it, but it is the story of human history.
There's nothing noble about that, nothing at all.
I tend to oppose "might makes right" in most cases. But ...every so
often the civilized people must use might to keep the uncivilized from
destroying their culture and civilization.
That's just an unsuccessful attempted sanitization of
"might makes right".
I love civilization too much to vote to abolish all physical assault.
We must have people who enforce the rules of civilization (police) and
they must be allowed to use whatever force is necessary. Otherwise --
we'd find ourselves back in the jungle. We do not want the lower
orders (criminals) to lead us. Were it not for physical force -- they
would.
rumpelstiltskin
2019-03-05 15:39:55 UTC
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Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
<snip>
Post by Gary
Post by islander
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
No, many (possibly most) early settlers came here to escape religious
oppression.
Exactly! The old settlers did not want the state to force them to
worship the state religion -- when they wanted to be a Baptist. Their
battle cry was "freedom of religion". Then all the Southern Baptists
prayed for slaves! And it happened :-)
Baptist overlordship is the same thing as Church of
England or Catholic overlordship.
Think of the "trail of tears" in which Andrew Jackson
drove the Cherokee out of their ancestral homeland in
what is now the Carolinas, into Oklahoma, with many
dying along the way. The Cherokee had tried to
integrate into the white society that was moving in,
the Cherokee were too "different".
"Might makes right", as the saying goes. I'm not
sympathetic to it, but it is the story of human history.
There's nothing noble about that, nothing at all.
I tend to oppose "might makes right" in most cases. But ...every so
often the civilized people must use might to keep the uncivilized from
destroying their culture and civilization.
That's just an unsuccessful attempted sanitization of
"might makes right".
I love civilization too much to vote to abolish all physical assault.
We must have people who enforce the rules of civilization (police) and
they must be allowed to use whatever force is necessary. Otherwise --
we'd find ourselves back in the jungle. We do not want the lower
orders (criminals) to lead us. Were it not for physical force -- they
would.
I trust police, but not the politicians who give orders to
the police, which those orders are often based not on
what's "just" but on who slips money to the politicians.

The "native Americans" were not "lower orders", they
just weren't the people slipping money to the politicians.
CLOISTER
2019-04-30 11:21:48 UTC
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Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
<snip>
Post by Gary
Post by islander
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
No, many (possibly most) early settlers came here to escape religious
oppression.
Exactly! The old settlers did not want the state to force them to
worship the state religion -- when they wanted to be a Baptist. Their
battle cry was "freedom of religion". Then all the Southern Baptists
prayed for slaves! And it happened :-)
Baptist overlordship is the same thing as Church of
England or Catholic overlordship.
Think of the "trail of tears" in which Andrew Jackson
drove the Cherokee out of their ancestral homeland in
what is now the Carolinas, into Oklahoma, with many
dying along the way. The Cherokee had tried to
integrate into the white society that was moving in,
the Cherokee were too "different".
"Might makes right", as the saying goes. I'm not
sympathetic to it, but it is the story of human history.
There's nothing noble about that, nothing at all.
I tend to oppose "might makes right" in most cases. But ...every so
often the civilized people must use might to keep the uncivilized from
destroying their culture and civilization.
That's just an unsuccessful attempted sanitization of
"might makes right".
I love civilization too much to vote to abolish all physical assault.
We must have people who enforce the rules of civilization (police) and
they must be allowed to use whatever force is necessary. Otherwise --
we'd find ourselves back in the jungle. We do not want the lower
orders (criminals) to lead us. Were it not for physical force -- they
would.
I find it funny that a couple of members totally isolate
themselves from the group and then think the group is
dying.
The Man in the High Castle
2019-04-30 11:27:31 UTC
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Post by CLOISTER
I find it funny that a couple of members totally isolate
themselves from the group and then think the group is
dying.
I don't kill file anyone and, yes, it's dying. This group used to be
interesting but you, and only you, killed it.
CLOISTER
2019-04-30 12:37:53 UTC
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Post by The Man in the High Castle
Post by CLOISTER
I find it funny that a couple of members totally isolate
themselves from the group and then think the group is
dying.
I don't kill file anyone and, yes, it's dying. This group used to be
interesting but you, and only you, killed it.
My MMPI states that I do not do guilt
The Man in the High Castle
2019-04-30 13:12:30 UTC
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Post by CLOISTER
Post by The Man in the High Castle
Post by CLOISTER
I find it funny that a couple of members totally isolate
themselves from the group and then think the group is
dying.
I don't kill file anyone and, yes, it's dying. This group used to be
interesting but you, and only you, killed it.
My MMPI states that I do not do guilt
We know. You don't do shame, comapssion, empathy, decency or love. All
you do is hate and fawn over a two bit com man and a has been reality star.
rumpelstiltskin
2019-03-03 18:57:25 UTC
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Post by islander
Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by Gary
On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 11:30:10 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
BTW, in all those years, the only time I've ever kill filed anyone
-- it was because they were advertising. Differences of opinions is
what I find interesting.
I use to kill file all cross posters. But now I use Agent and it
automatically kills cross posts.
Post by El Castor
I have Cloister killfiled for two reasons -- he posts, but never
participates in threads, and the last straw was a blatantly
anti-Semitic post.
Could I ask a question without seeming to anti-semitic ? I had never
seen anybody accused of anti-semitism until I joined the newsgroups
about 17 years ago. It seems that if I (or anybody else) disagrees
with a Jew, or a Jewish practice -- we are A-S and hate Jews. Would
a person who cussed out a bunch of Baptists be labeled anti-baptist ?
I doubt it.
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
No, many (possibly most) early settlers came here to escape religious
oppression.
One religion against another is a very old story.
It exemplifies what religious sects are really about.
Most religions in Euro-American culture are not now
as bad as they used to be, but only because they're
in their death throes. Islam, unfortunately IMV, is
not yet in its death throes.
rumpelstiltskin
2019-03-03 18:57:25 UTC
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Post by Gary
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by Gary
On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 11:30:10 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by Gary
BTW, in all those years, the only time I've ever kill filed anyone
-- it was because they were advertising. Differences of opinions is
what I find interesting.
I use to kill file all cross posters. But now I use Agent and it
automatically kills cross posts.
Post by El Castor
I have Cloister killfiled for two reasons -- he posts, but never
participates in threads, and the last straw was a blatantly
anti-Semitic post.
Could I ask a question without seeming to anti-semitic ? I had never
seen anybody accused of anti-semitism until I joined the newsgroups
about 17 years ago. It seems that if I (or anybody else) disagrees
with a Jew, or a Jewish practice -- we are A-S and hate Jews. Would
a person who cussed out a bunch of Baptists be labeled anti-baptist ?
I doubt it.
I'm anti-Baptist. I'm anti-Christian and anti-theistic in
general, but Baptists have a history of being bigoted
a......s, so I have a special place in their "hell" for them.
Were it not for religion -- America might still be a wilderness.
Most of the early settlers came here so they could practice their
religion.
It could have been anything else cultural, and many
cultural things are not saturated with traditional stories
which nowadays just seem stupid to more and more
people, such as Jonah and the whale and with "Jesus"
feeding a whole crowd of people with three loaves
and three fishes. Much worse than mere ridiculousness
though, is hostility toward "the other", which is the
backbone of established religions. Ask the
Amerindians or the black slaves how wonderful the
advent of the white man, using his religion for
justification, was.
CLOISTER
2019-03-02 12:28:03 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
I count only 17 posts for February 28, and
only 5 for May 1!
I do have a number of people killfiled,
particularly El Castor because he has me
killfiled and we have nothing in common.
I also killfile Cloister (formerly posting as
Globalist), "High Castle", "me" (formerly
posting as "Werner", PJ O'Donnel, and
"Jack of Diamonds" and a couple of
others who I don't think post very much,
or if they do then nobody answers them.
That's not so many people, though. It
seems there used to be a lot more
people posting here.
Your world is indeed very small.
You created it that way.
The group is alive and well and
the rest of us thrive on the banter.
The Man in the High Castle
2019-03-02 12:29:25 UTC
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Post by CLOISTER
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I count only 17 posts for February 28, and
only 5 for May 1!
I do have a number of people killfiled,
particularly El Castor because he has me
killfiled and we have nothing in common.
I also killfile Cloister (formerly posting as
Globalist), "High Castle", "me" (formerly
posting as "Werner", PJ O'Donnel, and
"Jack of Diamonds" and a couple of
others who I don't think post very much,
or if they do then nobody answers them.
That's not so many people, though. It
seems there used to be a lot more
people posting here.
Your world is indeed very small.
You created it that way.
True.
Post by CLOISTER
The group is alive and well and
the rest of us thrive on the banter.
False, most posts are fake news from YOU.
Lawrence Akutagawa
2019-03-04 07:04:57 UTC
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Post by CLOISTER
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I count only 17 posts for February 28, and
only 5 for May 1!
I do have a number of people killfiled,
particularly El Castor because he has me
killfiled and we have nothing in common.
I also killfile Cloister (formerly posting as
Globalist), "High Castle", "me" (formerly
posting as "Werner", PJ O'Donnel, and
"Jack of Diamonds" and a couple of
others who I don't think post very much,
or if they do then nobody answers them.
That's not so many people, though. It
seems there used to be a lot more
people posting here.
Your world is indeed very small.
You created it that way.
True.
Post by CLOISTER
The group is alive and well and
the rest of us thrive on the banter.
False, most posts are fake news from YOU.

***** This line separates my response from the foregoing ******

Well, you well do know (don't you) that the Village Idiot - under whatever
name/guise he the Village Idiot assumes - remains ever so true to his true
Village Idiot calling of being in actual fact - as well
substantiated/vindicated by your true words here - the resident Village
Idiot.
j***@gmail.com
2019-03-02 13:06:27 UTC
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Rumpel,
There no longer seems to be any
"conversation," and certainly
very few retirement subjects.

I found another retirement
board called " soc.senior.issues
but that seems to be defunct,
although there are a few posts
from Jim Higgins, as late as
last December. There are some
old posts from people like
Olly Mensch, on topics such as
"Mercurochrome."
islander
2019-03-02 15:12:25 UTC
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Post by j***@gmail.com
Rumpel,
There no longer seems to be any
"conversation," and certainly
very few retirement subjects.
I found another retirement
board called " soc.senior.issues
but that seems to be defunct,
although there are a few posts
from Jim Higgins, as late as
last December. There are some
old posts from people like
Olly Mensch, on topics such as
"Mercurochrome."
The demise of soc.retirement has been predicted for years, yet it continues.

The more serious question might be what has happened to civil
discussion? The country has become increasingly divided along political
lines and that seems to be resulting in an end of discussion, civil or
otherwise.

Politics has always been in the discussion here, worse in election
years. Retirement issues come up when participants want to discuss
retirement issues, but otherwise the discussion drifts in whatever
direction us old timers feel inclined. Sticking to the topic is often a
victim of the way things drift.

Generally, it is just a bunch of old farts sitting around the virtual
cracker barrel talking about whatever they want. Personally, I keep
getting drawn back to it because I have been discussing/arguing with a
few regulars for nearly 20 years.

If you are looking for an alternative, I have been using Quora for a
couple of years now. It is a much larger forum and uses a more modern
format including the ability to incorporate graphics which allows me to
include some of the charts from my work on comparative state politics.
It is moderated, so a lot of the ugly side of the Internet is eliminated.

I hope that you will continue to participate in soc.retirement. With
Emily becoming much less involved, you are the only woman in this group.

Your mention of Olly reminds me that she is probably gone. Last I
recall, she was in an assisted living facility and not liking it at all.
Jim Higgins drops in occasionally, so I guess he is still alive. One
of the difficulties with soc.retirement is that people just disappear
and we often don't know if they have died.
Gary
2019-03-02 16:09:36 UTC
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Post by islander
Post by j***@gmail.com
Rumpel,
There no longer seems to be any
"conversation," and certainly
very few retirement subjects.
I found another retirement
board called " soc.senior.issues
but that seems to be defunct,
although there are a few posts
from Jim Higgins, as late as
last December. There are some
old posts from people like
Olly Mensch, on topics such as
"Mercurochrome."
The demise of soc.retirement has been predicted for years, yet it continues.
The more serious question might be what has happened to civil
discussion? The country has become increasingly divided along political
lines and that seems to be resulting in an end of discussion, civil or
otherwise.
Politics has always been in the discussion here, worse in election
years. Retirement issues come up when participants want to discuss
retirement issues, but otherwise the discussion drifts in whatever
direction us old timers feel inclined. Sticking to the topic is often a
victim of the way things drift.
Generally, it is just a bunch of old farts sitting around the virtual
cracker barrel talking about whatever they want. Personally, I keep
getting drawn back to it because I have been discussing/arguing with a
few regulars for nearly 20 years.
If you are looking for an alternative, I have been using Quora for a
couple of years now. It is a much larger forum and uses a more modern
format including the ability to incorporate graphics which allows me to
include some of the charts from my work on comparative state politics.
It is moderated, so a lot of the ugly side of the Internet is eliminated.
I hope that you will continue to participate in soc.retirement. With
Emily becoming much less involved, you are the only woman in this group.
Your mention of Olly reminds me that she is probably gone. Last I
recall, she was in an assisted living facility and not liking it at all.
Jim Higgins drops in occasionally, so I guess he is still alive. One
of the difficulties with soc.retirement is that people just disappear
and we often don't know if they have died.
This group was at its best when Rita was a regular. Her death took a
lot away. But I think there is still hope. Let me remind us all of
her passing. It was her son who posted the information below:

--------------------------------------------------------

8/18/12

Hey all you soc.retirement folk. Rita (Marita Kingkade) was my
mother. She passed away two weeks ago. In a web search I came across
this string, obviously going back 10 years. Don't know if this is
still active or not, or if the participating parties are alive or not,
but thought I would reach out.

If Cajun is dead, god (but not Rita's god lol) rest his soul. Of
course Rita did not believe that much in God, and Cajun if not here,
is turning in his grave at that. I can tell you that I am so proud of
my mother. She raised eight children. I was #8. She worked full
time from two months after I was born, yet still had dinner on the
table, dealt with school, clothes, etc... She was a newspaper
reporter for the Ames Tribune, proof reader for the Des Moines
Register, then head of communications for Dial Finance in Des Moines
Iowa. My parents divorced when I was 12, and my mom worked very hard
to insure we had what we needed. She later earned her Masters Degree
from the New School for Social Research and worked toward a PHD.
Rita was an early member of NOW, a womens rights champion. She was
cut off from Sears, JC Penney credit which we heavily relied on when
divorced from my dad, even though she was the chief bread winner. She
fought and gained her credit. People like her are the reason women
have the credit and other rights they have today. She moved to NYC in
1980 when I was 18. First on the Upper East Side, then West Side
(72nd st and Columbus), then 92nd and Broadway, then Park Slope where
she was joined by my oldest sister and husband and their three
daughters from Iowa. Later she moved to Queens. Rita traveled to
Europe in her 60's, mostly staying in hostels. She took a green
tortise bus tour in Mexico for months, living there. She always
traveled cheap, hostels, school buses, even in her late 60's and early
70's. She was fiercely independent. I remember when she lived in
Marlyland with me for a short time, driving to the Wash DC jail to
pick her up when she was arrested for sitting down in the U.S Capitol
Rotunda to fight for the plight of the homeless.

She moved to San Diego to be near my brother and I six years ago. She
lived in Pacfic Beach, near the ocean in a studio surrounded by young
adults. She had a three wheeled bike which she rode to the library,
Trader Joes, etc..such a sight! She never asked anyone for anything.

If you would like to hear more, let me know. Just want you to know
that yes Rita was outspoken, but then you know that. Our love of
reading, challenging conventional authority comes from my mother and I
am proud of that. I have four daughters and know that what Rita
passed on to me, is now passed on to them. Cajun will be sad to know
that my oldest just graduated from UC Berkeley, as well as my second
daughter who will be a senior next year. They are following in my
mothers activist footsteps which makes me proud.

If this note reaches anyone that used to be in this news group, that
is great. If not, I am happy just to write a few words as I shed a
few more tears thinking about my incredible mother who I miss so much.

Jerome Kingkade
Newport Beach, CA
j***@gmail.com
2019-03-02 17:45:20 UTC
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I do remember Rita as a prolific
and interesting poster.
islander
2019-03-03 03:48:27 UTC
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Post by j***@gmail.com
I do remember Rita as a prolific
and interesting poster.
Rita was special. It was a shock to lose her and it was fortunate that
her son took the extra effort to let us know.
rumpelstiltskin
2019-04-30 05:40:15 UTC
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Post by j***@gmail.com
I do remember Rita as a prolific
and interesting poster.
I think most people, certainly the "libs" such as
Islander and Josh, but even many of the ********
(count the stars) such as El Castor, were sorry
when Rita moved on and then died. That was a
big loss to the newsgroup.

On the conservative side, a couple of years
earlier we lost Connie, not to death, but simply to
moving on to other newsgroups or perhaps to
Facebook. That was a big loss to this group too,
but I hope she's still alive, and happy wherever
she's posting now.
islander
2019-04-30 14:19:11 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by j***@gmail.com
I do remember Rita as a prolific
and interesting poster.
I think most people, certainly the "libs" such as
Islander and Josh, but even many of the ********
(count the stars) such as El Castor, were sorry
when Rita moved on and then died. That was a
big loss to the newsgroup.
On the conservative side, a couple of years
earlier we lost Connie, not to death, but simply to
moving on to other newsgroups or perhaps to
Facebook. That was a big loss to this group too,
but I hope she's still alive, and happy wherever
she's posting now.
On the liberal side, Evelyn was a frequent poster, but she moved to
Austin TX where she now posts on Facebook regularly where she has over
1200 "friends." Emily also used to post frequently, but her health has
not been good and while she is still active, she has pretty much moved
on to Facebook.

Too bad that there are no women posting regularly. soc.retirement seems
to have pretty much become a small forum for old white men. That is a
major loss for those of us who are still active, IMV.

Personally, I much prefer Quora which is a much larger forum, ranging
across a lot of topics. It is based on questions posed by participants
which stimulate discussion on whatever topic is on people's minds. It
is moderated, so the worst of the incivility that we see here is
prevented. In politics, there is a pretty well balanced representation
by both left and right. You can even direct questions to specific
individuals whose activity and background are available to examine. I
like it that one can include images and graphs in posts. One of the
best forums, IMV.
rumpelstiltskin
2019-04-30 18:26:04 UTC
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Post by islander
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by j***@gmail.com
I do remember Rita as a prolific
and interesting poster.
I think most people, certainly the "libs" such as
Islander and Josh, but even many of the ********
(count the stars) such as El Castor, were sorry
when Rita moved on and then died. That was a
big loss to the newsgroup.
On the conservative side, a couple of years
earlier we lost Connie, not to death, but simply to
moving on to other newsgroups or perhaps to
Facebook. That was a big loss to this group too,
but I hope she's still alive, and happy wherever
she's posting now.
On the liberal side, Evelyn was a frequent poster, but she moved to
Austin TX where she now posts on Facebook regularly where she has over
1200 "friends." Emily also used to post frequently, but her health has
not been good and while she is still active, she has pretty much moved
on to Facebook.
It's good to hear that Evelyn is still around (as far as you know)
though she isn't posting here anymore. Maybe soc.retirement is
too testosterone-laden for the tastes of some women.
Post by islander
Too bad that there are no women posting regularly. soc.retirement seems
to have pretty much become a small forum for old white men. That is a
major loss for those of us who are still active, IMV.
Personally, I much prefer Quora which is a much larger forum, ranging
across a lot of topics. It is based on questions posed by participants
which stimulate discussion on whatever topic is on people's minds. It
is moderated, so the worst of the incivility that we see here is
prevented. In politics, there is a pretty well balanced representation
by both left and right. You can even direct questions to specific
individuals whose activity and background are available to examine. I
like it that one can include images and graphs in posts. One of the
best forums, IMV.
"Moderated" is a bad word for a quasi-anarchist such
as myself. I'm also not in soc.retirement so much for the
"information" as for the "opinions" - read "entertainment".

.
islander
2019-05-01 14:40:50 UTC
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Post by rumpelstiltskin
"Moderated" is a bad word for a quasi-anarchist such
as myself. I'm also not in soc.retirement so much for the
"information" as for the "opinions" - read "entertainment".
Perhaps, but it does tend to discourage the trolls.
El Castor
2019-05-01 00:19:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by islander
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by j***@gmail.com
I do remember Rita as a prolific
and interesting poster.
I think most people, certainly the "libs" such as
Islander and Josh, but even many of the ********
(count the stars) such as El Castor, were sorry
when Rita moved on and then died. That was a
big loss to the newsgroup.
On the conservative side, a couple of years
earlier we lost Connie, not to death, but simply to
moving on to other newsgroups or perhaps to
Facebook. That was a big loss to this group too,
but I hope she's still alive, and happy wherever
she's posting now.
On the liberal side, Evelyn was a frequent poster, but she moved to
Austin TX where she now posts on Facebook regularly where she has over
1200 "friends." Emily also used to post frequently, but her health has
not been good and while she is still active, she has pretty much moved
on to Facebook.
Too bad that there are no women posting regularly. soc.retirement seems
to have pretty much become a small forum for old white men. That is a
major loss for those of us who are still active, IMV.
Personally, I much prefer Quora which is a much larger forum, ranging
across a lot of topics. It is based on questions posed by participants
which stimulate discussion on whatever topic is on people's minds. It
is moderated, so the worst of the incivility that we see here is
prevented. In politics, there is a pretty well balanced representation
by both left and right. You can even direct questions to specific
individuals whose activity and background are available to examine. I
like it that one can include images and graphs in posts. One of the
best forums, IMV.
There is more to Usenet than soc.retirement. It has its uses that
can't be duplicated by Quora.
islander
2019-05-01 14:38:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by El Castor
Post by islander
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by j***@gmail.com
I do remember Rita as a prolific
and interesting poster.
I think most people, certainly the "libs" such as
Islander and Josh, but even many of the ********
(count the stars) such as El Castor, were sorry
when Rita moved on and then died. That was a
big loss to the newsgroup.
On the conservative side, a couple of years
earlier we lost Connie, not to death, but simply to
moving on to other newsgroups or perhaps to
Facebook. That was a big loss to this group too,
but I hope she's still alive, and happy wherever
she's posting now.
On the liberal side, Evelyn was a frequent poster, but she moved to
Austin TX where she now posts on Facebook regularly where she has over
1200 "friends." Emily also used to post frequently, but her health has
not been good and while she is still active, she has pretty much moved
on to Facebook.
Too bad that there are no women posting regularly. soc.retirement seems
to have pretty much become a small forum for old white men. That is a
major loss for those of us who are still active, IMV.
Personally, I much prefer Quora which is a much larger forum, ranging
across a lot of topics. It is based on questions posed by participants
which stimulate discussion on whatever topic is on people's minds. It
is moderated, so the worst of the incivility that we see here is
prevented. In politics, there is a pretty well balanced representation
by both left and right. You can even direct questions to specific
individuals whose activity and background are available to examine. I
like it that one can include images and graphs in posts. One of the
best forums, IMV.
There is more to Usenet than soc.retirement. It has its uses that
can't be duplicated by Quora.
For example?
rumpelstiltskin
2019-03-02 16:45:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by islander
Post by j***@gmail.com
Rumpel,
There no longer seems to be any
"conversation," and certainly
very few retirement subjects.
I found another retirement
board called " soc.senior.issues
but that seems to be defunct,
although there are a few posts
from Jim Higgins, as late as
last December. There are some
old posts from people like
Olly Mensch, on topics such as
"Mercurochrome."
The demise of soc.retirement has been predicted for years, yet it continues.
The more serious question might be what has happened to civil
discussion? The country has become increasingly divided along political
lines and that seems to be resulting in an end of discussion, civil or
otherwise.
Politics has always been in the discussion here, worse in election
years. Retirement issues come up when participants want to discuss
retirement issues, but otherwise the discussion drifts in whatever
direction us old timers feel inclined. Sticking to the topic is often a
victim of the way things drift.
I read most of your posts, but I skip the ones where it's
just you and El Castor battling it out with each other.
I don't even see El Castor's posts, so such threads for me
look like successively indented posts just from you.
Post by islander
Generally, it is just a bunch of old farts sitting around the virtual
cracker barrel talking about whatever they want. Personally, I keep
getting drawn back to it because I have been discussing/arguing with a
few regulars for nearly 20 years.
If you are looking for an alternative, I have been using Quora for a
couple of years now. It is a much larger forum and uses a more modern
format including the ability to incorporate graphics which allows me to
include some of the charts from my work on comparative state politics.
It is moderated, so a lot of the ugly side of the Internet is eliminated.
I hope that you will continue to participate in soc.retirement. With
Emily becoming much less involved, you are the only woman in this group.
Your mention of Olly reminds me that she is probably gone. Last I
recall, she was in an assisted living facility and not liking it at all.
Jim Higgins drops in occasionally, so I guess he is still alive. One
of the difficulties with soc.retirement is that people just disappear
and we often don't know if they have died.
j***@gmail.com
2019-03-02 17:36:23 UTC
Permalink
Your posts are not of the cracker
barrel variety. They are full of
information, though sometimes
wordy, especially in discussions
with El Castor.

I'd expected that Olly was gone.
Someone brought up her name a
short while ago so I thought I'd
mention that some of her posts
could still be seen
Geoff Wilson
2022-04-20 03:18:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by islander
Post by j***@gmail.com
Rumpel,
There no longer seems to be any
"conversation," and certainly
very few retirement subjects.
I found another retirement
board called " soc.senior.issues
but that seems to be defunct,
although there are a few posts
from Jim Higgins, as late as
last December. There are some
old posts from people like
Olly Mensch, on topics such as
"Mercurochrome."
The demise of soc.retirement has been predicted for years, yet it continues.
The more serious question might be what has happened to civil
discussion? The country has become increasingly divided along political
lines and that seems to be resulting in an end of discussion, civil or
otherwise.
Politics has always been in the discussion here, worse in election
years. Retirement issues come up when participants want to discuss
retirement issues, but otherwise the discussion drifts in whatever
direction us old timers feel inclined. Sticking to the topic is often a
victim of the way things drift.
Generally, it is just a bunch of old farts sitting around the virtual
cracker barrel talking about whatever they want. Personally, I keep
getting drawn back to it because I have been discussing/arguing with a
few regulars for nearly 20 years.
If you are looking for an alternative, I have been using Quora for a
couple of years now. It is a much larger forum and uses a more modern
format including the ability to incorporate graphics which allows me to
include some of the charts from my work on comparative state politics.
It is moderated, so a lot of the ugly side of the Internet is eliminated.
I hope that you will continue to participate in soc.retirement. With
Emily becoming much less involved, you are the only woman in this group.
Your mention of Olly reminds me that she is probably gone. Last I
recall, she was in an assisted living facility and not liking it at all.
Jim Higgins drops in occasionally, so I guess he is still alive. One
of the difficulties with soc.retirement is that people just disappear
and we often don't know if they have died.
Hi Islander! This is Rumpelstiltsin, just to let you know I haven't died, though I'm 77 now so it probably won't be long, though I still feel fine. It was always a pleasure to read your posts, and I've toyed with the idea of rejoining soc.retirement since my disk crashed and I had to get a different computer, but I probably won't rejoin because that would necessitate rejoining (and repaying for) a newsserver, then downloading the many new posts that come every day. I don't think I'm up for that. I also miss Rita, who died long ago now of course, but I always regarded her as the heart of the group while she was alive. Peace and love from this former self-identified "hippie", though I never really did fit that mould. Since I'm not subscribed to soc.retirement any more, I probably won't read (or find) any replies to this post, but all the best to you and the other posters, even El Castor if he's still there!
islander
2022-04-22 14:10:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Geoff Wilson
Post by islander
Post by j***@gmail.com
Rumpel,
There no longer seems to be any
"conversation," and certainly
very few retirement subjects.
I found another retirement
board called " soc.senior.issues
but that seems to be defunct,
although there are a few posts
from Jim Higgins, as late as
last December. There are some
old posts from people like
Olly Mensch, on topics such as
"Mercurochrome."
The demise of soc.retirement has been predicted for years, yet it continues.
The more serious question might be what has happened to civil
discussion? The country has become increasingly divided along political
lines and that seems to be resulting in an end of discussion, civil or
otherwise.
Politics has always been in the discussion here, worse in election
years. Retirement issues come up when participants want to discuss
retirement issues, but otherwise the discussion drifts in whatever
direction us old timers feel inclined. Sticking to the topic is often a
victim of the way things drift.
Generally, it is just a bunch of old farts sitting around the virtual
cracker barrel talking about whatever they want. Personally, I keep
getting drawn back to it because I have been discussing/arguing with a
few regulars for nearly 20 years.
If you are looking for an alternative, I have been using Quora for a
couple of years now. It is a much larger forum and uses a more modern
format including the ability to incorporate graphics which allows me to
include some of the charts from my work on comparative state politics.
It is moderated, so a lot of the ugly side of the Internet is eliminated.
I hope that you will continue to participate in soc.retirement. With
Emily becoming much less involved, you are the only woman in this group.
Your mention of Olly reminds me that she is probably gone. Last I
recall, she was in an assisted living facility and not liking it at all.
Jim Higgins drops in occasionally, so I guess he is still alive. One
of the difficulties with soc.retirement is that people just disappear
and we often don't know if they have died.
Hi Islander! This is Rumpelstiltsin, just to let you know I haven't died, though I'm 77 now so it probably won't be long, though I still feel fine. It was always a pleasure to read your posts, and I've toyed with the idea of rejoining soc.retirement since my disk crashed and I had to get a different computer, but I probably won't rejoin because that would necessitate rejoining (and repaying for) a newsserver, then downloading the many new posts that come every day. I don't think I'm up for that. I also miss Rita, who died long ago now of course, but I always regarded her as the heart of the group while she was alive. Peace and love from this former self-identified "hippie", though I never really did fit that mould. Since I'm not subscribed to soc.retirement any more, I probably won't read (or find) any replies to this post, but all the best to you and the other posters, even El Castor if he's still there!
OMG! On the chance that you do read soc.retirement, please send me a
message at ***@yahoo.com. That is my throw-away email address
that I use to avoid spam. I'll respond and we can communicate
privately. So good to hear that you are still alive!
Josh Rosenbluth
2022-04-22 23:57:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by islander
Post by j***@gmail.com
Rumpel,
There no longer seems to be any
"conversation," and certainly
very few retirement subjects.
I found another retirement
board called " soc.senior.issues
but that seems to be defunct,
although there are a few posts
from Jim Higgins, as late as
last December. There are some
old posts from people like
Olly Mensch, on topics such as
"Mercurochrome."
The demise of soc.retirement has been predicted for years, yet it continues.
The more serious question might be what has happened to civil
discussion? The country has become increasingly divided along political
lines and that seems to be resulting in an end of discussion, civil or
otherwise.
Politics has always been in the discussion here, worse in election
years. Retirement issues come up when participants want to discuss
retirement issues, but otherwise the discussion drifts in whatever
direction us old timers feel inclined. Sticking to the topic is often a
victim of the way things drift.
Generally, it is just a bunch of old farts sitting around the virtual
cracker barrel talking about whatever they want. Personally, I keep
getting drawn back to it because I have been discussing/arguing with a
few regulars for nearly 20 years.
If you are looking for an alternative, I have been using Quora for a
couple of years now. It is a much larger forum and uses a more modern
format including the ability to incorporate graphics which allows me to
include some of the charts from my work on comparative state politics.
It is moderated, so a lot of the ugly side of the Internet is eliminated.
I hope that you will continue to participate in soc.retirement. With
Emily becoming much less involved, you are the only woman in this group.
Your mention of Olly reminds me that she is probably gone. Last I
recall, she was in an assisted living facility and not liking it at all.
Jim Higgins drops in occasionally, so I guess he is still alive. One
of the difficulties with soc.retirement is that people just disappear
and we often don't know if they have died.
    Hi Islander!   This is Rumpelstiltsin, just to let you know I
haven't died, though I'm 77 now so it probably won't be long, though I
still feel fine.  It was always a pleasure to read your posts, and
I've toyed with the idea of rejoining soc.retirement since my disk
crashed and I had to get a different computer, but I probably won't
rejoin because that would necessitate rejoining (and repaying for)  a
newsserver, then downloading the many new posts that come every day.
I don't think I'm up for that.  I also miss Rita, who died long ago
now of course, but I always regarded her as the heart of the group
while she was alive.   Peace and love from this former self-identified
"hippie", though I never really did fit that mould.  Since I'm not
subscribed to soc.retirement any more, I probably won't read (or find)
any replies to this post, but all the best to you and the other
posters, even El Castor if he's still there!
OMG!  On the chance that you do read soc.retirement, please send me a
that I use to avoid spam.  I'll respond and we can communicate
privately.  So good to hear that you are still alive!
Great news!

rumpelstiltskin
2019-03-02 16:45:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by j***@gmail.com
Rumpel,
There no longer seems to be any
"conversation," and certainly
very few retirement subjects.
I've been here a long time, and
although there are retirement
issues from time to time, the group
has always been a place for old
farts like me to sound off about
politics and the supposed decay
of society.
Post by j***@gmail.com
I found another retirement
board called " soc.senior.issues
but that seems to be defunct,
although there are a few posts
from Jim Higgins, as late as
last December. There are some
old posts from people like
Olly Mensch, on topics such as
"Mercurochrome."
j***@gmail.com
2019-03-02 17:16:47 UTC
Permalink
I find your posts to be honest,
interesting, informative, and
generally kind and generous,
though a little hard on those
with religious beliefs.
rumpelstiltskin
2019-03-02 18:25:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by j***@gmail.com
I find your posts to be honest,
interesting, informative, and
generally kind and generous,
though a little hard on those
with religious beliefs.
Yes, the unnecessary and unforgivable
crushing of the spirit of many young gay
people such as myself in youth, has an
awful lot to do with why I despise
"god"-based religion so much. There's
nothing at all "charitable" about it in
that wise, very much the opposite. It
doesn't deserve to be forgiven for that.
b flanier
2019-03-02 19:09:26 UTC
Permalink
As a "newbie" to the group, I, too, get annoyed at some of the posts
and posters especially at the cross posters. Many of them seem like
teens.

As for other posts that pack venom that I have seen in
other venues,one perp of this ilk can wreck a group. Those
who are sensible leave in disgust and the group dies. Such is life.
OTOH, a group with talented wordsmiths can be very
entertaining with the slings and arrows bruited about.

Note that I'm not suggesting that I have never done the nasty here
with remarks to some posts/posters and have been culled by some
for that but that is the price one pays- no? Some suggest the
culling by others is a badge of honor!

One minor annoyance is Rumpel the Younger, who now and then,
complains about being 74! I should be so. <grin> BTB, Rumpel,
with all that rain you have been experiencing in SF, have
you had to trim the moss that must being growing only on your
North side?



And the beat goes on.
rumpelstiltskin
2019-03-03 05:34:43 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 11:09:26 -0800 (PST), b flanier
Post by b flanier
As a "newbie" to the group, I, too, get annoyed at some of the posts
and posters especially at the cross posters. Many of them seem like
teens.
As for other posts that pack venom that I have seen in
other venues,one perp of this ilk can wreck a group. Those
who are sensible leave in disgust and the group dies. Such is life.
OTOH, a group with talented wordsmiths can be very
entertaining with the slings and arrows bruited about.
Note that I'm not suggesting that I have never done the nasty here
with remarks to some posts/posters and have been culled by some
for that but that is the price one pays- no? Some suggest the
culling by others is a badge of honor!
If so, I'm happy to honour them thereby.
Post by b flanier
One minor annoyance is Rumpel the Younger, who now and then,
complains about being 74! I should be so. <grin> BTB, Rumpel,
with all that rain you have been experiencing in SF, have
you had to trim the moss that must being growing only on your
North side?
And the beat goes on.
No moss, but now that San Francisco has become
a venue for "homeless people", they can't be having
much fun in the all-day rains we've been having.

I've only been 74 since Galileo's birthday (Feb. 15)
which is also the birthday of Susan B., and the birthday
and deathday of Michael Praetorius if records that far
back can be trusted.
El Castor
2019-03-02 19:59:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by j***@gmail.com
I find your posts to be honest,
interesting, informative, and
generally kind and generous,
though a little hard on those
with religious beliefs.
Yes, the unnecessary and unforgivable
crushing of the spirit of many young gay
people such as myself in youth, has an
awful lot to do with why I despise
"god"-based religion so much. There's
nothing at all "charitable" about it in
that wise, very much the opposite. It
doesn't deserve to be forgiven for that.
Poor you. How do you explain the fact that probably 40% of Catholic
priests are Gay? Since I'm plonked, you won't respond, but if I wasn't
plonked you still wouldn't respond because you wouldn't know what to
say.
Gary
2019-03-02 20:14:32 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 11:59:41 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by j***@gmail.com
I find your posts to be honest,
interesting, informative, and
generally kind and generous,
though a little hard on those
with religious beliefs.
Yes, the unnecessary and unforgivable
crushing of the spirit of many young gay
people such as myself in youth, has an
awful lot to do with why I despise
"god"-based religion so much. There's
nothing at all "charitable" about it in
that wise, very much the opposite. It
doesn't deserve to be forgiven for that.
Poor you. How do you explain the fact that probably 40% of Catholic
priests are Gay? Since I'm plonked, you won't respond, but if I wasn't
plonked you still wouldn't respond because you wouldn't know what to
say.
I've wondered about all those gay priests. I wonder why they like
boys instead of girls ? Could it be the church indoctrination turns
them against women -- and when they get horny -- they fall in love
with boys ?
El Castor
2019-03-02 21:38:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gary
On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 11:59:41 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by j***@gmail.com
I find your posts to be honest,
interesting, informative, and
generally kind and generous,
though a little hard on those
with religious beliefs.
Yes, the unnecessary and unforgivable
crushing of the spirit of many young gay
people such as myself in youth, has an
awful lot to do with why I despise
"god"-based religion so much. There's
nothing at all "charitable" about it in
that wise, very much the opposite. It
doesn't deserve to be forgiven for that.
Poor you. How do you explain the fact that probably 40% of Catholic
priests are Gay? Since I'm plonked, you won't respond, but if I wasn't
plonked you still wouldn't respond because you wouldn't know what to
say.
I've wondered about all those gay priests. I wonder why they like
boys instead of girls ? Could it be the church indoctrination turns
them against women -- and when they get horny -- they fall in love
with boys ?
They start out Gay. I worked with two Gay guys who met in a seminary.
One dropped out. The other became a priest, then dropped out.

"Ex-Seminarian Exposes Gay Predation at ‘Conservative’ Seminaries"
"Alcohol abuse was a major issue there. Sometimes, late at night, I
would come downstairs and find seminarians lying in one another's
arms, stroking their hair. The deviant homosexual behavior reached its
zenith when a "sexting scandal" occurred. One seminarian was sexting a
number of other seminarians from an anonymous number. When it was
brought forward, no action was taken toward the guilty seminarian."
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/seminarian-exposes-gay-predation-at-conservative-seminary
rumpelstiltskin
2019-03-03 05:34:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gary
On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 11:59:41 -0800, El Castor
Post by El Castor
Post by rumpelstiltskin
Post by j***@gmail.com
I find your posts to be honest,
interesting, informative, and
generally kind and generous,
though a little hard on those
with religious beliefs.
Yes, the unnecessary and unforgivable
crushing of the spirit of many young gay
people such as myself in youth, has an
awful lot to do with why I despise
"god"-based religion so much. There's
nothing at all "charitable" about it in
that wise, very much the opposite. It
doesn't deserve to be forgiven for that.
Poor you. How do you explain the fact that probably 40% of Catholic
priests are Gay? Since I'm plonked, you won't respond, but if I wasn't
plonked you still wouldn't respond because you wouldn't know what to
say.
I've wondered about all those gay priests. I wonder why they like
boys instead of girls ? Could it be the church indoctrination turns
them against women -- and when they get horny -- they fall in love
with boys ?
I dunno, maybe they regarded it as a refuge in
the old days when priests could get away with a lot
of stuff: maybe it provided easy access to choirboys.

Some of them do like girls, but boys seem to be
preferred by most, at least the ones we hear about.
Maybe girls would be more likely to tell their parents,
so the refuge would be "safer" if boys were involved.
All kinds of possibilities come to mind.
me
2019-03-02 13:40:08 UTC
Permalink
Seems like self imposed exile. Some feel uncomfortable with different or competing ideas. Just think about it. Does this quality not make you completely different (and unequal) from composers like Mozart?
Johnny
2019-03-02 15:48:05 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 01:23:28 -0800
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I count only 17 posts for February 28, and
only 5 for May 1!
I do have a number of people killfiled,
particularly El Castor because he has me
killfiled and we have nothing in common.
I also killfile Cloister (formerly posting as
Globalist), "High Castle", "me" (formerly
posting as "Werner", PJ O'Donnel, and
"Jack of Diamonds" and a couple of
others who I don't think post very much,
or if they do then nobody answers them.
That's not so many people, though. It
seems there used to be a lot more
people posting here.
One reason less people are reading this newsgroup is because of the
idiots that crosspost here and to several other groups. This brings
in replies from those other groups that crosspost to even more groups.

Unless you have a newsreader capable of removing crossposts it gets
frustrating trying to find who you want to reply to. I'm sure some
people just give up and move on to something else.
rumpelstiltskin
2019-03-02 16:45:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Johnny
On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 01:23:28 -0800
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I count only 17 posts for February 28, and
only 5 for May 1!
I do have a number of people killfiled,
particularly El Castor because he has me
killfiled and we have nothing in common.
I also killfile Cloister (formerly posting as
Globalist), "High Castle", "me" (formerly
posting as "Werner", PJ O'Donnel, and
"Jack of Diamonds" and a couple of
others who I don't think post very much,
or if they do then nobody answers them.
That's not so many people, though. It
seems there used to be a lot more
people posting here.
One reason less people are reading this newsgroup is because of the
idiots that crosspost here and to several other groups. This brings
in replies from those other groups that crosspost to even more groups.
Unless you have a newsreader capable of removing crossposts it gets
frustrating trying to find who you want to reply to. I'm sure some
people just give up and move on to something else.
I myself do have a newsreader capable of removing
crossposted messages: "Forte Agent". There is an
option, though I can't find it at the moment, not to
retrieve messages posted to more than (x) newsgroups,
and I have (x) set to "1".
El Castor
2019-03-03 06:36:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Johnny
On Sat, 02 Mar 2019 01:23:28 -0800
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I count only 17 posts for February 28, and
only 5 for May 1!
I do have a number of people killfiled,
particularly El Castor because he has me
killfiled and we have nothing in common.
I also killfile Cloister (formerly posting as
Globalist), "High Castle", "me" (formerly
posting as "Werner", PJ O'Donnel, and
"Jack of Diamonds" and a couple of
others who I don't think post very much,
or if they do then nobody answers them.
That's not so many people, though. It
seems there used to be a lot more
people posting here.
One reason less people are reading this newsgroup is because of the
idiots that crosspost here and to several other groups. This brings
in replies from those other groups that crosspost to even more groups.
Unless you have a newsreader capable of removing crossposts it gets
frustrating trying to find who you want to reply to. I'm sure some
people just give up and move on to something else.
I use Agent, one of those readers that filters cross posts. A real
boon, and I recommend it. Anyhow, the biggest problem is probably that
Usenet discussions have been replaced by Internet forums, Facebook,
and Twitter. Usenet, for those who even know it exists, has become a
place to download videos, books, and software. This group probably
isn't what it once was, and never will be.
El Castor
2019-03-02 19:26:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I count only 17 posts for February 28, and
only 5 for May 1!
I do have a number of people killfiled,
particularly El Castor because he has me
killfiled and we have nothing in common.
I also killfile Cloister (formerly posting as
Globalist), "High Castle", "me" (formerly
posting as "Werner", PJ O'Donnel, and
"Jack of Diamonds" and a couple of
others who I don't think post very much,
or if they do then nobody answers them.
That's not so many people, though. It
seems there used to be a lot more
people posting here.
I don't have you killfiled, but to be clear, I believe you have me
killfiled because I have dared to elucidate my problem with Gay males
-- NAMBLA, Boy Scouts, Bath Houses, mockery of Catholics and women,
disease, etc. Grrrr.
b***@gmail.com
2019-03-02 23:23:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by rumpelstiltskin
I count only 17 posts for February 28, and
only 5 for May 1!
I do have a number of people killfiled,
particularly El Castor because he has me
killfiled and we have nothing in common.
I also killfile Cloister (formerly posting as
Globalist), "High Castle", "me" (formerly
posting as "Werner", PJ O'Donnel, and
"Jack of Diamonds" and a couple of
others who I don't think post very much,
or if they do then nobody answers them.
That's not so many people, though. It
seems there used to be a lot more
people posting here.
I liked the discussion groups as they were about 30 years ago. My first online connection was with Compuserve in 1981 but it was expensive at $12 an hour. Later it became cheaper at $5 a month. Next I signed up for Genie which was general electric. It was all text based with no pictures and you could upload or download library files. There were different roundtables about different subjects plus e-mail. Some were free and others had a fee. Now, I'm using Google Groups which is very slow on a dialup connection. I usually only read topics that have more than one response. And I avoid most everything with word Trump in it. For complicated web pages, I go to the library which has a fast system. And I think it's fairly secure but I don't know for sure. Think I'll ask the librarian next time I go.
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